Can you sheep explain something?

Now i'm no Wii hater, but how exactly does the Wii improve the gameplay of a game? Gameplay is important, but when the gameplay sucks having good graphics would be really nice.

You make it seem like the Wii's gameplay makes up for it's lack of good graphics.

What exactly are you expecting?

I'd say immersion, but I know what you's respond with. I'd say it's a different way to play, but I know what you'd respond with.

So I'll just say, it's a fresh experience that keeps the industry from growing stagnant. :)

Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.Eponique

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.xDonRobx

*Looks at Xbox 360 and PS3 games*

"OMG TEH N3 LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER DEN TEH LOZ TP, TSHBO!!!`111!11"

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.Puppa_Shogun

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

You shouldn't be touching either of those games anyway.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.Puppa_Shogun

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

Don't buy those games then...

I personally think the Wii mote is a gimmick. I think no true gamer will really like it, but its a way for non gamers and casuals to get into gaming. To convert gamers you need to let them take baby steps, especially with all the negative press now a days. Imagine, once they start to love Wii games, thinking they are just amazing, what will they think of PC, 360, and PS3 games? I just hope Nintendo is converting people, and not changing their audience. Echo13791

I've played 3 gen's of Videogames. Four if you count this gen... I play alot of games... and I like the Wiiremote...

Perhaps your statement about true gamers not liking it is wrong.

[QUOTE="Echo13791"]I personally think the Wii mote is a gimmick. I think no true gamer will really like it, but its a way for non gamers and casuals to get into gaming. To convert gamers you need to let them take baby steps, especially with all the negative press now a days. Imagine, once they start to love Wii games, thinking they are just amazing, what will they think of PC, 360, and PS3 games? I just hope Nintendo is converting people, and not changing their audience. GundamGuy0

I've played 3 gen's of Videogames. Four if you count this gen... I play alot of games... and I like the Wiiremote...

Perhaps your statement about true gamers not liking it is wrong.

it was just my opinion. Sure its definitely flawed, because some will disagree, but I think the majority of people would agree with me. Especially since the Wii games out right now are just simply not good. I know MP3, SMB, and SSBB, but those have not come out yet

I think no true gamer will really like it Echo13791

That's quite a generalization, don't you think?

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="Echo13791"]I personally think the Wii mote is a gimmick. I think no true gamer will really like it, but its a way for non gamers and casuals to get into gaming. To convert gamers you need to let them take baby steps, especially with all the negative press now a days. Imagine, once they start to love Wii games, thinking they are just amazing, what will they think of PC, 360, and PS3 games? I just hope Nintendo is converting people, and not changing their audience. Echo13791

I've played 3 gen's of Videogames. Four if you count this gen... I play alot of games... and I like the Wiiremote...

Perhaps your statement about true gamers not liking it is wrong.

it was just my opinion. Sure its definitely flawed, because some will disagree, but I think the majority of people would agree with me. Especially since the Wii games out right now are just simply not good. I know MP3, SMB, and SSBB, but those have not come out yet

There are plenty of Good games for the Wii... but sadly your standards are broken... if it's not Superb it's not Good... XD

It's got shovelware ... ya... but true gamers probly won't buy it...

[QUOTE="Echo13791"]I think no true gamer will really like it TrueReligion_

That's quite a generalization, don't you think?

I was a bit skeptical at first. Most games haven't used the Wiimote correctly, I'm hoping MP3 does.

also, i own a Wii, so thats how I built this opinion. I must say though, the main reason i bought it, if not the only one was for SSBBEcho13791

To each there own... but I think your not giving some good games a fair chance.

Ok, heres my example. You play Guitar Hero, but instead of playing it with the guitar controller you play it with a dual shock or whatever. The game just doesn't quite have the same appeal. Once you play with the guitar, you understand whats so special about the game, its not what your doing, its how playing the game makes you feel. And like I read in a developer interview they said they tried to take the interaction of the game out of the tv and put it more in the players hands.

Same idea with Wii Sports. Any game that is done correctly has potential to be better than a traditional control scheme. But they have to do it right.

[QUOTE="Echo13791"]I think no true gamer will really like it TrueReligion_

That's quite a generalization, don't you think?

Ok, heres my example. You play Guitar Hero, but instead of playing it with the guitar controller you play it with a dual shock or whatever. The game just doesn't quite have the same appeal. Once you play with the guitar, you understand whats so special about the game, its not what your doing, its how playing the game makes you feel. And like I read in a developer interview they said they tried to take the interaction of the game out of the tv and put it more in the players hands.

Same idea with Wii Sports. Any game that is done correctly has potential to be better than a traditional control scheme. But they have to do it right.

killerkop

That is a perfect example.

I've been gaming my whole life practically, since I was 5 or 6 anyway, and I really like the wiimote (I'm 25 now btw). All I can say is that it is an experience. Instead of pushing around the cursor with a stick, you're pointing at the screen. I slam anyone who says it's a gimmick, but who knows? It just feels like something really special. It's just an easier way of controlling, it feels like you're interacting with the game more closely. That wording is wrong somehow, but it's something like that.

I cannot stress enough that you have to play a truly wii-pointer-centric game to understand it. I would recommend playing trauma center. It's a game that nobody here disses because they know it's a great game. The only thing is that it isn't a graphics showcase, although it doesn't have to be by any means. Very simple gameplay, and it shows off the pointer beautifully.

As for motion sensing, I'm not completely sold. If there's a gimmick to the wiimote, it is the motion sensing. It is accurate and fun for some things though. It doesnt register quick, harsh motions well, but it is 1:1 with tilting and position recognition. A good game that illustrates this is SSX.

Ultimately, I think motion sensing has hardcore appeal, but only if it complements controls. It would be non essential, but satisfying, like strangling people in Godfather. Remember that previews of Manhunt 2 were absolutely glowing about how amazing an experience it is, and I believe that same principle can be applied to many other games as well.

well that was long, didn't expect that...

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.Puppa_Shogun

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

Justlook atWiiSports. Horrible graphics, but the gameplay is why it's received so well. It'san *experience*that cannot be replicated on any other controller or other system. Yes, you can do all the same thing with analog sticks and buttons, but it's not the same experience. Same thing with RE4 for the Wii, it's an experience that cannot be replicated on another console despite the same content on other systems.RahnAetas

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]Justlook atWiiSports. Horrible graphics, but the gameplay is why it's received so well. It'san *experience*that cannot be replicated on any other controller or other system. Yes, you can do all the same thing with analog sticks and buttons, but it's not the same experience. Same thing with RE4 for the Wii, it's an experience that cannot be replicated on another console despite the same content on other systems.helium_flash

It doesn't. But c'mon, after playing Wii Tennis, I don't think I can go back to pressing a button to swing a racket.

[QUOTE="Puppa_Shogun"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.cyprus646

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

Maybe cuz they didn't own an xbox. Or maybe they didn't want to wait an odd number of years to play the games.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]Justlook atWiiSports. Horrible graphics, but the gameplay is why it's received so well. It'san *experience*that cannot be replicated on any other controller or other system. Yes, you can do all the same thing with analog sticks and buttons, but it's not the same experience. Same thing with RE4 for the Wii, it's an experience that cannot be replicated on another console despite the same content on other systems.helium_flash

I personally think the Wii mote is a gimmick. I think no true gamer will really like it, but its a way for non gamers and casuals to get into gaming. To convert gamers you need to let them take baby steps, especially with all the negative press now a days. Imagine, once they start to love Wii games, thinking they are just amazing, what will they think of PC, 360, and PS3 games? I just hope Nintendo is converting people, and not changing their audience. Echo13791

replace wiimote with mouse and GUI and gamer with unix/dos user.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.xDonRobx

*Looks at Xbox 360 and PS3 games*

"OMG TEH N3 AND GENJILOOK SO MUCH BETTER DEN TEH LOZ TP, TSHBO!!!`111!11"

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]Justlook atWiiSports. Horrible graphics, but the gameplay is why it's received so well. It'san *experience*that cannot be replicated on any other controller or other system. Yes, you can do all the same thing with analog sticks and buttons, but it's not the same experience. Same thing with RE4 for the Wii, it's an experience that cannot be replicated on another console despite the same content on other systems.helium_flash

*raises hands up* Woo HOO! You get it! Or, as close as you'll probably ever get it... *shrugs*

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.Puppa_Shogun

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

Ok, heres my example. You play Guitar Hero, but instead of playing it with the guitar controller you play it with a dual shock or whatever. The game just doesn't quite have the same appeal. Once you play with the guitar, you understand whats so special about the game, its not what your doing, its how playing the game makes you feel. And like I read in a developer interview they said they tried to take the interaction of the game out of the tv and put it more in the players hands.

Same idea with Wii Sports. Any game that is done correctly has potential to be better than a traditional control scheme. But they have to do it right.

killerkop

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.snorlaxmaster

*Looks at Xbox 360 and PS3 games*

"OMG TEH N3 AND GENJILOOK SO MUCH BETTER DEN TEH LOZ TP, TSHBO!!!`111!11"

Ninty nine knights carried the exact same formula dynasty warriros did... did the HD graphics and massivly more men change the fact that all of them still just stand there geting hit by you doing a spinning attack over and over again? Hell no.

[QUOTE="Puppa_Shogun"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.wii4me

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

Okay, then what are the 'woohoo, must play those games' on Wii right at this moment? TheFlush

[QUOTE="wii4me"][QUOTE="Puppa_Shogun"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Having crap Gameplay and good graphics is disasterous.TheFlush

but having crap gameplay and crap graphics is worse

Trauma Center. Sleeper hit right here.

I don't see the must have games on ps3 right now... ninja gaiden? The god knows how old port of ninja gaiden black witha couple newfeatures and upped textures?kittykatz5k

But, the 360 does have a few.

You make it seem like the Wii's gameplay makes up for it's lack of good graphics.

helium_flash

Beacause it does in most cases.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]I don't see the must have games on ps3 right now... ninja gaiden? The god knows how old port of ninja gaiden black witha couple newfeatures and upped textures?Jandurin

But, the 360 does have a few.

The cows are just mad because everybody is getting something to play this month but them. B-But teh Warhawk!:cry: