Capcom: Blu-Ray too slow for nextgen

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

Pripyat

buh buh teh 5GB, 25 minute install means you dont have to wait 10 minutes for DMC4 to load but you have to wait 10 minutes on 360 :cry:

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

Pripyat

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

this is old news, everyone knows that the reason why Sony put a HDD into the PS3 is to compensate for the slow BluRay. BluRay is faster than DVD- but since its only a 2x drive compared to a 12x DVD inside the X360 then its significantly slower than the Xbox360. this is where the HDD comes on.CwlHeddwyn

What? No, you are completely wrong. They put HDD into the PS3 because everyone from gamers to developers praising the Xbox for having standard HDD last gen.

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

ZIMdoom

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

ZIMdoom

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

haha i love the ps3 but your comment made no sense?

how does uncharted, heavenly sword, ratchet and clank prove that blue-ray isnt slower than the 360's dvd drive when their all great exclusives to the ps3?

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

ZIMdoom

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

darklord888

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

kentaro22

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

kentaro22

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

...oh my God.

[QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

EuroMafia

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

Pripyat

...majornelson?

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

ffx2warrior

...majornelson?

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

kentaro22

People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.Shazenab

Yet those games still prove this guy is wrong. And now people point out the source of the story, something I didnt look at and this has made up fanboy all over it.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

darklord888

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

Would you like to address my main point or is it more comfortable for you to ignore reality with strawman arguements?

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

Galantina

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

haha i love the ps3 but your comment made no sense?

how does uncharted, heavenly sword, ratchet and clank prove that blue-ray isnt slower than the 360's dvd drive when their all great exclusives to the ps3?

This isn't about BR being slower. It is about whether or not a game NEEDS to be installed (for 20 minutes) in order to reduce or eliminate load times. Those games I listed are all games with NO installing and no stopping to load during the game.

THerefore Capcom saying they HAD to do it is clearly contrary to what other games have already done.

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.Dilrod

Yet those games still prove this guy is wrong. And now people point out the source of the story, something I didnt look at and this has made up fanboy all over it.

No, No they DONT prove this guy wrong. That is such an amazingly ignorant statement to make.

Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, DMC4. You know whats different about them? THEY ARE DIFFERENT GAMES.

Isnt that an amazingly obvious difference? The idea that you can blanketly say that "LOLOL X game looks better and doesnt need to do this ROFL Y GAME SUXKS" is so absurd it makes my head hurt.

All of these games have different needs and optimizations about them. Dont ever presume to compare a game based purely on what you see. It makes you look incredably foolish.

If Capcom could have gotten DMC4 to run on the PS3 without needing to load data they would have. They absolutely, 100% would have. They couldnt.

Would you like to address my main point or is it more comfortable for you to ignore reality with strawman arguements?

ZIMdoom

Those other games are not DMC4. Perhaps there are other factors at play with the game than just the platform that it is on. But you never considered that.

I am not saying the guy is right or wrong, just that there are many other factors in getting a game running properly on a platform besides just the platform itself.

Sorry, but no. Someone who works at Capcom said that, someone who is NOT a Capcom developer.kentaro22

The guy is a senior Communications official. Therefore he is speaking, no the record, on behald of the whole company. He is PR...and he is running damage control due to all the negative criticism about the massive install. Whether or not he is an actual developer is irrelevant, he is authorized to speak on behalf of the company.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Would you like to address my main point or is it more comfortable for you to ignore reality with strawman arguements?

SpruceCaboose

Those other games are not DMC4. Perhaps there are other factors at play with the game than just the platform that it is on. But you never considered that.

I am not saying the guy is right or wrong, just that there are many other factors in getting a game running properly on a platform besides just the platform itself.

You still stick your head in the sand and ignre the point. The reality. They said it was needed because BR is too slow. They say that if they didn't install then the load times would have to be much longer.

Yet other games showt that none if this is true. They didn't HAVE to do anything and install is NOT NEEDED. They did it for whatever reasons, and now people are upset about it so they are running damage control.

But no matter how you want to spin it, it wasn't necessary, it wasn't needed, and they clearly didn't HAVE to do it that way. People are upset and Capcom is pointing the finger for their own sloppy development.

People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.Shazenab

That makes absolutely no sense. Capcom must be right because they have made quality games back in the past? Please don't tell me you typed that believing it was a logical point.

[QUOTE="kentaro22"]
Sorry, but no. Someone who works at Capcom said that, someone who is NOT a Capcom developer.ZIMdoom

The guy is a senior Communications official. Therefore he is speaking, no the record, on behald of the whole company. He is PR...and he is running damage control due to all the negative criticism about the massive install. Whether or not he is an actual developer is irrelevant, he is authorized to speak on behalf of the company.

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"][QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

kentaro22

If there are only 100 loading screens in that game each one would have to be 15 seconds to equal 25 min of preloading... (with no loading during the game (Which we know it has).

25x60 = 1500/100 = is 15 seconds or longer per load screen.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Would you like to address my main point or is it more comfortable for you to ignore reality with strawman arguements?

ZIMdoom

Those other games are not DMC4. Perhaps there are other factors at play with the game than just the platform that it is on. But you never considered that.

I am not saying the guy is right or wrong, just that there are many other factors in getting a game running properly on a platform besides just the platform itself.

You still stick your head in the sand and ignre the point. The reality. They said it was needed because BR is too slow. They say that if they didn't install then the load times would have to be much longer.

Yet other games showt that none if this is true. They didn't HAVE to do anything and install is NOT NEEDED. They did it for whatever reasons, and now people are upset about it so they are running damage control.

But no matter how you want to spin it, it wasn't necessary, it wasn't needed, and they clearly didn't HAVE to do it that way. People are upset and Capcom is pointing the finger for their own sloppy development.

I dont need to get my head out of the sand, you need to stop presuming you know what your talking about.

Those other games dont prove anything. They prove Blu-Ray is adequate for THOSE games. Install is is not needed for THOSE games.

For all you know DMC4's engine requires a chaching system for each enemy in the level at level loadup. Is this bad programming practice? NO. The idea your proclaiming from the hilltops for all to hear you that Capcom programmed the game poorly because Blu-ray is to slow for it is IGNORANT. Say it with me now - I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T.

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.Cali3350

Yet those games still prove this guy is wrong. And now people point out the source of the story, something I didnt look at and this has made up fanboy all over it.

No, No they DONT prove this guy wrong. That is such an amazingly ignorant statement to make.

Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, DMC4. You know whats different about them? THEY ARE DIFFERENT GAMES.

Isnt that an amazingly obvious difference? The idea that you can blanketly say that "LOLOL X game looks better and doesnt need to do this ROFL Y GAME SUXKS" is so absurd it makes my head hurt.

All of these games have different needs and optimizations about them. Dont ever presume to compare a game based purely on what you see. It makes you look incredably foolish.

If Capcom could have gotten DMC4 to run on the PS3 without needing to load data they would have. They absolutely, 100% would have. They couldnt.

It should make your head hurt. Noone said anything about those games looking better. Quit putting words in peoples mouths. This Capcom guy is stating that hdd installs are necessary, and that is absolutely not true. So you look foolish for not reading peoples post, and adding to them what you perceive a person to be saying. Did I or anyone else here say DMC4 sucks? No, but of course the fanboy in you would assume that people did. This guys statement is basically saying that because of blu ray games need to have a mandatory hdd install. If other games with the amount of content where made and didnt have the install (like the games mentioned before hand) then it is proof that this guy is wrong, and Capcom couldnt figure out in time how to make it possible without the install. So let your head hurt, and you should be careful who you call ignorant, because you replying like you did only makes you look the fool. Next time read everyones post who contributed to what you are commenting on and don't assume things because you know what that makes you look like.

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.ZIMdoom

That makes absolutely no sense. Capcom must be right because they have made quality games back in the past? Please don't tell me you typed that believing it was a logical point.

Capcom make multi-platform games, the games mentioned are exclusives. If Capcom, of all developers, are having problems with blu-ray, rather than it being an advantage over another console with less storage then it's something that needs to be addressed.

Developers have had a year to get to grips with the playstation and their has yet to be one single game that has proved blu-ray (and not the systems internals, like cell) has made the superior games. Playstations exclusives are great because of the system, not the disc... Capcom is just stating what's bloody obvious.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="kentaro22"]
Sorry, but no. Someone who works at Capcom said that, someone who is NOT a Capcom developer.kentaro22

The guy is a senior Communications official. Therefore he is speaking, no the record, on behald of the whole company. He is PR...and he is running damage control due to all the negative criticism about the massive install. Whether or not he is an actual developer is irrelevant, he is authorized to speak on behalf of the company.

Personally, I would rather put up with 20 minutes of load screens, 10 seconds at a time, than waste 20 whole minutes and a chunk of HDD space, installing a game.

Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

ZIMdoom

All of which (Perhaps not Uncharted I heard otherwise) REQUIRE preinstalls of up to 10 minutes in length.

[QUOTE="Cali3350"][QUOTE="Dilrod"]

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.Dilrod

Yet those games still prove this guy is wrong. And now people point out the source of the story, something I didnt look at and this has made up fanboy all over it.

No, No they DONT prove this guy wrong. That is such an amazingly ignorant statement to make.

Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, DMC4. You know whats different about them? THEY ARE DIFFERENT GAMES.

Isnt that an amazingly obvious difference? The idea that you can blanketly say that "LOLOL X game looks better and doesnt need to do this ROFL Y GAME SUXKS" is so absurd it makes my head hurt.

All of these games have different needs and optimizations about them. Dont ever presume to compare a game based purely on what you see. It makes you look incredably foolish.

If Capcom could have gotten DMC4 to run on the PS3 without needing to load data they would have. They absolutely, 100% would have. They couldnt.

It should make your head hurt. Noone said anything about those games looking better. Quit putting words in peoples mouths. This Capcom guy is stating that hdd installs are necessary, and that is absolutely not true. So you look foolish for not reading peoples post, and adding to them what you perceive a person to be saying. Did I or anyone else here say DMC4 sucks? No, but of course the fanboy in you would assume that people did. This guys statement is basically saying that because of blu ray games need to have a mandatory hdd install. If other games with the amount of content where made and didnt have the install (like the games mentioned before hand) then it is proof that this guy is wrong, and Capcom couldnt figure out in time how to make it possible without the install. So let your head hurt, and you should be careful who you call ignorant, because you replying like you did only makes you look the fool. Next time read everyones post who contributed to what you are commenting on and don't assume things because you know what that makes you look like.

It was a blanket statement. Replace "Game X looks better LOLOL" to "Game X loads better LOLOL"

See how it fits now? See how EVERYONE ELSE understood that? You probably dont.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]Dear Capcom,

You are liars.

Sincerely,

Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Burnout

thegame1980

All of which (Perhaps not Uncharted I heard otherwise) REQUIRE preinstalls of up to 10 minutes in length.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]People backing up blu ray with uncharted and hs are forgetting that capcom have surpassed the quality of those developers before they were even founded. Something tells me capcom know a little more about game development than the majority of all game developers, first party included.Shazenab

That makes absolutely no sense. Capcom must be right because they have made quality games back in the past? Please don't tell me you typed that believing it was a logical point.

Capcom make multi-platform games, the games mentioned are exclusives. If Capcom, of all developers, are having problems with blu-ray, rather than it being an advantage over another console with less storage then it's something that needs to be addressed.

Developers have had a year to get to grips with the playstation and their has yet to be one single game that has proved blu-ray (and not the systems internals, like cell) has made the superior games. Playstations exclusives are great because of the system, not the disc... Capcom is just stating what's bloody obvious.

Burnout is an exclusive now? How about CoD4, is that exclusive? The fact is there are many multiplat games that don't have load times, or lengthy load times, and don't need to install.

Hell, at least with Assasin's Creed, the occasional load times, which seem long, result in a massively populated and fully interactive city environment. I've only played the DMC demo and a number of small broken up rooms certianly don't need tons of load times.

I don't believe the bull about the PS3 needing the install to be up to speed with the 360 version because of the drive speed, simply because of the other games that have been released with smaller installs andfine loading times without the cache. I think it is because the game is multiplatform and therefore, not really tapping the strengths of either system to their fullest. i think that if DMC4 stayed exclusive to the PS3, it would be a different story.

Anyway, who cares about the install? I have said a million times, I would've LOVED an install option for Lost Odyssey on the 360 rather than waiting 20 seconds everytime I got into one of the battles or moved from one area to another. Isn't it funny that when a developer tries a BR sized game on the 360 the loading sucks even more so than a game on the PS3? Besides, it is from something that geek M$ idiot did so yea, I will believe that. It is nothing bud a sad attempt at trying to make the 360 look better by someone that works for the company.

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

kentaro22

...you have five minutes of combine load time which is still > the install time for the PS3 version.

Burnout is an exclusive now? How about CoD4, is that exclusive? The fact is there are many multiplat games that don't have load times, or lengthy load times, and don't need to install.

ZIMdoom

didn't play AC so i won't comment on that but COD4 levels aren't that big either and the load times aren't short. they do mission briefings during that time so you don't feel like you're waiting for load. It was indeed loading though.

It was a blanket statement. Replace "Game X looks better LOLOL" to "Game X loads better LOLOL"

See how it fits now? See how EVERYONE ELSE understood that? You probably dont.

Cali3350

And the only ones saying that are lemmings. Seriously, I have not seen a single cow say anything that resembles. OMG R Gamz are faster at loading than URs! Your still missing the whole point of this conversation. When you can comprehend what is being said, then you can reply again. Until that your doing nothing but proving you dont know what your talking about.

I dont need to get my head out of the sand, you need to stop presuming you know what your talking about.

Those other games dont prove anything. They prove Blu-Ray is adequate for THOSE games. Install is is not needed for THOSE games.

For all you know DMC4's engine requires a chaching system for each enemy in the level at level loadup. Is this bad programming practice? NO. The idea your proclaiming from the hilltops for all to hear you that Capcom programmed the game poorly because Blu-ray is to slow for it is IGNORANT. Say it with me now - I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T.

Cali3350

Let's assume you are right and those other games DON'T set a precedent which totally contradicts the claims of Capcom. It's a stretch, but I'll play along.

Let's assume you are also right and that DMC's engine requires a caching system for each enemy in the level.

1) Why would they need to cache enemies that aren't yet on screen? That is a waste of resources and therefore a sign they made the game very inefficiently.

2) Games like Uncharted also have large environments, sometime with dozens of enemies to fight at once. They cached the data on the fly and there was no loading. Now you tell me caching a level with all its enemies takes install or tons of loading. That makes no logical sense. And I highly doubt, after playing the DMC demo, that DMC has more enemies or larger levels than Uncharted.

3) Second, assuming the engine required a system of caching that only the 360 could do, yet the game was supposedly started on PS3, then wouldn't that mean they were making the PS3 game poorly and not using the hardware properly? Because the only other logical thing is that they made the 360 version first then tried straight porting it which caused these issue. Either way the result is the same...the PS3 version wasn't programmed the way the hardware was meant.

Sorry, but no matter how I look at it, the result is the same. They didn't use the PS3 hardware properly and they want to accuse BR of not being able to do something we've already seen it do. Anything else you say is just as much an assumption as what you accuse me of. However, I find it insane that your assumptions would favour the exception to the rule instead of the clearly established precedent. I hope you aren't working to become a lawyer.

[QUOTE="kentaro22"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

http://centracomm.cachefly.net/majornelson/2008/mnr-021008-266dmc4-mp3.mp3

Interview with Chris Kramer, Senior Director of Communication and Community for Capcom.

29:04 in on DMC4 mandatory installation: "So essentially, on the PS3 version it's gotta install some files on the hard drive in order to have the game run as fast [on the PS3] as it does on the 360."

cosmostein77

...you have five minutes of combine load time which is still > the install time for the PS3 version.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Burnout is an exclusive now? How about CoD4, is that exclusive? The fact is there are many multiplat games that don't have load times, or lengthy load times, and don't need to install.

Ontain

didn't play AC so i won't comment on that but COD4 levels aren't that big either and the load times aren't short. they do mission briefings during that time so you don't feel like you're waiting for load. It was indeed loading though.

*sigh* Again, this is totally beside the point. ALl games have to load at some point if you aren't installing the entire thing. Hidden load times are preferred because they don't break up the gameplay or the flow of the story. Capcom SHOULD have used hidden load times, but they didn't.

And the reason I mentioned Call of Duty is because they are pretty much equal on both consoles. Again, Capcom has said that BR can't do something the 360 can. Yet almost every other multiplat we've seen so far is pretty much equal in terms of loading and graphics. So why would Capcom have such a difficult time when everyone else is able to do it?

Again, I say it is because they weren't using the PS3 hardware properly and are now using the install to cover up their own mistakes. Which is fine, just don't lie and act like it was impossible to do any other way.