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Capcom milks their fighters too much.
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I find this game much more epic! :P[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] used to be jin, but most of my time with him was spent spamming the ice skate to move around faster :P hazama fits my styIe of character perfectly: 5 billion hits that leaves no room for breathing. just keep on slashing :P and talking about hazama being a troll... THE TROLL COMBO. *fails to find troll combo* *finds this instead* IMBA!rilpas
I honestly will never understand competitive gaming, or just how people got so excited over what happened there
That's the fighting game community right there. That community is very, "different" from other game communities. A loud and complex community. Players from the fighting game community go out and gather to one place whether it's casual play or a tournament to play fighting games with other people. These same players ecourage other people to go to these tournaments. When they watch other people play, they get REALLY loud when they see something hype like what happened in that video when combofiend played against marn. It's kind of difficult to explain though really someone else explain this for me please.
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] I find this game much more epic! :Pcurrentlemon
I honestly will never understand competitive gaming, or just how people got so excited over what happened there
That's the fighting game community right there. That community is very, "different" from other game communities. A loud and complex community. Players from the fighting game community go out and gather to one place whether it's casual play or a tournament to play fighting games with other people. These same players ecourage other people to go to these tournaments. When they watch other people play, they get REALLY loud when they see something hype like what happened in that video when combofiend played against marn. It's kind of difficult to explain though really someone else explain this for me please.
It's a 3 on 3 fighting game. You battle untill you defeat your opponents team. During a match, you can get one of your characters that's not on the field...to do a single attack. That's called an assist. That red glowing powerup is a powerup called X-factor characters can use once per battle to buff power, speed and regain health, essentially to make a comeback. You just see some fun with a bionic arm here. :P Spencer, the main character from Bionic Command Reloaded, comes back and beats the entire team after clinging on with a sliver of health left.
Maybe it's the fact I play all sorts of fighters, but yeah, SF2 and SF4 are pretty similar in mechanics even for a sequel. Maybe you're just slow to adapt or something? I mean yeah of course they're different. They're damn near 20 years apart. The fact is though you're making it seem like they're super crazy different. Like one was KOF and the other Guilty Gear. The fact remains that the vast majority of the mechanics from SF4 are in SF2 and you really can't argue otherwise.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]
Yes really. Are you confusing control input with actual game mechanics or something? Or is the fact that you see SF characters on screen over riding your ability to see that the games are very different from each other? Do you expect SF4 to be an FPS? What do you expect from a sequal man? Years and years of experience with SF2 did not prepare me in any way for SF4 besides knowing the basic inputs for some special moves. Special moves that are aesthetically similar to SF2, yet are still different mechanically.
SF4 and SF2 are both 2d fighters featuring aesthetic similarities and the same inputs for some of the special moves. Thats it. Beyond that they are entirely different games.
sandbox3d
So what are you arguing exactly? That a sequel to SF should not be even remotely similar to SF?
The guy said SF4 is SF2 in 2.5d. An exaggeration by his own admission of course, but still. You want to argue on that guys behalf and argue against reason. Do you have some personal issue with SF? If so, then just let me know so I can quit this discussion.
And no, the mechanics are not the same. They share similarities in that they are both 2d fighters. The returning characters don't have the same movesets. The moves that do animate in a similar fashion still have different timing and damage and thus play a different role from a gameplay perspective. The games at the core do not operate the same. I don't recall SF2 having dashes, focus attacks and focus canceling. Alone those are definite game changers. Same with Ultras, Supers, and EX. Even if we were to pretend those do not exist, the games still play very differently from one another.
Don't let yourself get confused. Just because an animation looks similar does not mean the underlying mechanic operates the same.
The games share just enough similarities to be in the same series, yet are different enough to be easily distinguished at the gameplay level.
Again, I ask, what exactly are you arguing here?
I don't have any personal issue with SF. I just think your gross exaggerations about the differences between SF2 and SF4 is well...gross. You call meconte out for hyperbole then go and make an equally absurd statement. Just trust me when I say I've played enough fighting games to know that the little things are important so you don't need to talk down like a pompous c*nt when I've probably played at the very least as much SF as you despite me not enjoying it as much as other fighters. The fact is though you're making SF4 out to be some amazingly different game when it's...not. To say SF2 and 4 are exactly the same is obviously wrong but to call them insanely different is also idiotic.
[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Maybe it's the fact I play all sorts of fighters, but yeah, SF2 and SF4 are pretty similar in mechanics even for a sequel. Maybe you're just slow to adapt or something? I mean yeah of course they're different. They're damn near 20 years apart. The fact is though you're making it seem like they're super crazy different. Like one was KOF and the other Guilty Gear. The fact remains that the vast majority of the mechanics from SF4 are in SF2 and you really can't argue otherwise.Ace6301
So what are you arguing exactly? That a sequel to SF should not be even remotely similar to SF?
The guy said SF4 is SF2 in 2.5d. An exaggeration by his own admission of course, but still. You want to argue on that guys behalf and argue against reason. Do you have some personal issue with SF? If so, then just let me know so I can quit this discussion.
And no, the mechanics are not the same. They share similarities in that they are both 2d fighters. The returning characters don't have the same movesets. The moves that do animate in a similar fashion still have different timing and damage and thus play a different role from a gameplay perspective. The games at the core do not operate the same. I don't recall SF2 having dashes, focus attacks and focus canceling. Alone those are definite game changers. Same with Ultras, Supers, and EX. Even if we were to pretend those do not exist, the games still play very differently from one another.
Don't let yourself get confused. Just because an animation looks similar does not mean the underlying mechanic operates the same.
The games share just enough similarities to be in the same series, yet are different enough to be easily distinguished at the gameplay level.
Again, I ask, what exactly are you arguing here?
I don't have any personal issue with SF. I just think your gross exaggerations about the differences between SF2 and SF4 is well...gross. You call meconte out for hyperbole then go and make an equally absurd statement. Just trust me when I say I've played enough fighting games to know that the little things are important so you don't need to talk down like a pompous c*nt when I've probably played at the very least as much SF as you despite me not enjoying it as much as other fighters. The fact is though you're making SF4 out to be some amazingly different game when it's...not. To say SF2 and 4 are exactly the same is obviously wrong but to call them insanely different is also idiotic.Looks like someones mad. :P
You backed up a guy that admitted he was just trolling. His posts were clearly wrong. No opinion about it. My posts were reasonable. I presented facts, none of which you have responded to. You just got upset.
Take it easy bud.
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] used to be jin, but most of my time with him was spent spamming the ice skate to move around faster :P hazama fits my styIe of character perfectly: 5 billion hits that leaves no room for breathing. just keep on slashing :P and talking about hazama being a troll... THE TROLL COMBO. *fails to find troll combo* *finds this instead* IMBA!rilpasI find this game much more epic! :PI honestly will never understand competitive gaming, or just how people got so excited over what happened there It's kind of a group mentality really. You got to build up the hype and then when something really rare and special happens everyone goes nuts. It's the same sort of mentality as most sports. There's usually pretty significant money on the line at the big tourneys too and a lot of these guys have been playing against each other for years. Hypes just something that makes the scene enjoyable much like how the constant **** talking is what makes the scene annoying. No real reason behind it, hype things are hype because it's just something cool and rare.
I don't have any personal issue with SF. I just think your gross exaggerations about the differences between SF2 and SF4 is well...gross. You call meconte out for hyperbole then go and make an equally absurd statement. Just trust me when I say I've played enough fighting games to know that the little things are important so you don't need to talk down like a pompous c*nt when I've probably played at the very least as much SF as you despite me not enjoying it as much as other fighters. The fact is though you're making SF4 out to be some amazingly different game when it's...not. To say SF2 and 4 are exactly the same is obviously wrong but to call them insanely different is also idiotic.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]
So what are you arguing exactly? That a sequel to SF should not be even remotely similar to SF?
The guy said SF4 is SF2 in 2.5d. An exaggeration by his own admission of course, but still. You want to argue on that guys behalf and argue against reason. Do you have some personal issue with SF? If so, then just let me know so I can quit this discussion.
And no, the mechanics are not the same. They share similarities in that they are both 2d fighters. The returning characters don't have the same movesets. The moves that do animate in a similar fashion still have different timing and damage and thus play a different role from a gameplay perspective. The games at the core do not operate the same. I don't recall SF2 having dashes, focus attacks and focus canceling. Alone those are definite game changers. Same with Ultras, Supers, and EX. Even if we were to pretend those do not exist, the games still play very differently from one another.
Don't let yourself get confused. Just because an animation looks similar does not mean the underlying mechanic operates the same.
The games share just enough similarities to be in the same series, yet are different enough to be easily distinguished at the gameplay level.
Again, I ask, what exactly are you arguing here?
sandbox3d
Looks like someones mad. :P
You backed up a guy that admitted he was just trolling. His posts were clearly wrong. No opinion about it. My posts were reasonable. I presented facts, none of which you have responded to. You just got upset.
Take it easy bud.
I took issue with your statement that SF4 is "Insanely different" than 2. I didn't back meconte up. I've always found when people start accusing others of being mad they care way too much about an internet argument, perhaps you're the one who need to "take it easy". I just dislike hypocrites who have a very limited field of reference.[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I don't have any personal issue with SF. I just think your gross exaggerations about the differences between SF2 and SF4 is well...gross. You call meconte out for hyperbole then go and make an equally absurd statement. Just trust me when I say I've played enough fighting games to know that the little things are important so you don't need to talk down like a pompous c*nt when I've probably played at the very least as much SF as you despite me not enjoying it as much as other fighters. The fact is though you're making SF4 out to be some amazingly different game when it's...not. To say SF2 and 4 are exactly the same is obviously wrong but to call them insanely different is also idiotic.Ace6301
Looks like someones mad. :P
You backed up a guy that admitted he was just trolling. His posts were clearly wrong. No opinion about it. My posts were reasonable. I presented facts, none of which you have responded to. You just got upset.
Take it easy bud.
I took issue with your statement that SF4 is "Insanely different" than 2. I didn't back meconte up. I've always found when people start accusing others of being mad they care way too much about an internet argument, perhaps you're the one who need to "take it easy". I just dislike hypocrites who have a very limited field of reference.You called me a pompous c*nt. Before that you tried taking shots at my skill as a gamer. You made derrogitory statements that have no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. You are at least frustrated if not a bit mad.
The one guy said the game is SF2 in 2.5d.
When all the underlying mechanics of SF4 are built from the ground up different from their SF2 counterparts and then you go and add the new mechanics in SF4 over that you have a completely different game. Same genre. Same series stapes. Completely different GAME.
Yet you chose to leave his hyperbole be and jump on my case. And got upset in the process.
I took issue with your statement that SF4 is "Insanely different" than 2. I didn't back meconte up. I've always found when people start accusing others of being mad they care way too much about an internet argument, perhaps you're the one who need to "take it easy". I just dislike hypocrites who have a very limited field of reference.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]
Looks like someones mad. :P
You backed up a guy that admitted he was just trolling. His posts were clearly wrong. No opinion about it. My posts were reasonable. I presented facts, none of which you have responded to. You just got upset.
Take it easy bud.
sandbox3d
You called me a pompous c*nt. Before that you tried taking shots at my skill as a gamer. You made derrogitory statements that have no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. You are at least frustrated if not a bit mad.
The one guy said the game is SF2 in 2.5d.
When all the underlying mechanics of SF4 are built from the ground up different from their SF2 counterparts and then you go and add the new mechanics in SF4 over that you have a completely different game. Same genre. Same series stapes. Completely different GAME.
Yet you chose to leave his hyperbole be and jump on my case. And got upset in the process.
You're mistaking being upset or frustrated with me having fun with you, too many politics threads on OT. I didn't jump on him because others already had and hypocrisy is much worse than facetiousness. You seem to have completely misunderstood my argument. I've not said that SF4 is a copy and paste of SF2. You're the one whose case is that SF4 is some radically different game that's completely different than SF2 and that it's crazy hard to switch around them. I said maybe you were slow to adapt because in the last 4 days I've played SSF2, SF3:TS and SF4 (vanilla), Blazblue, Guilty Gear, some hilarious random fighters whose name I can't even remember, the PS2 fist of the north star and MvC3 (again vanilla) and didn't have any issue switching around those despite it being years since I played a few of those. TL;DR you said SF4 is insanely different than SF2. it isn't. Trolling mode was activated. Oh man but you know what did piss me off. ME3 demo was underwhelming and Blazblue CSEX is delayed in Canada. THAT pissed me off.[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I took issue with your statement that SF4 is "Insanely different" than 2. I didn't back meconte up. I've always found when people start accusing others of being mad they care way too much about an internet argument, perhaps you're the one who need to "take it easy". I just dislike hypocrites who have a very limited field of reference.Ace6301
You called me a pompous c*nt. Before that you tried taking shots at my skill as a gamer. You made derrogitory statements that have no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. You are at least frustrated if not a bit mad.
The one guy said the game is SF2 in 2.5d.
When all the underlying mechanics of SF4 are built from the ground up different from their SF2 counterparts and then you go and add the new mechanics in SF4 over that you have a completely different game. Same genre. Same series stapes. Completely different GAME.
Yet you chose to leave his hyperbole be and jump on my case. And got upset in the process.
You're mistaking being upset or frustrated with me having fun with you, too many politics threads on OT. I didn't jump on him because others already had and hypocrisy is much worse than facetiousness. You seem to have completely misunderstood my argument. I've not said that SF4 is a copy and paste of SF2. You're the one whose case is that SF4 is some radically different game that's completely different than SF2 and that it's crazy hard to switch around them. I said maybe you were slow to adapt because in the last 4 days I've played SSF2, SF3:TS and SF4 (vanilla), Blazblue, Guilty Gear, some hilarious random fighters whose name I can't even remember, the PS2 fist of the north star and MvC3 (again vanilla) and didn't have any issue switching around those despite it being years since I played a few of those. TL;DR you said SF4 is insanely different than SF2. it isn't. Trolling mode was activated. Oh man but you know what did piss me off. ME3 demo was underwhelming and Blazblue CSEX is delayed in Canada. THAT pissed me off.Fair enough. It seems we're on the same page and simply arguing semantics. Insanely different may have been a poor choice of words. It works for me because almost every aspect of SF4 is different from SF2, barring the natural parrallels that come with the genre and a few staples.
You're mistaking being upset or frustrated with me having fun with you, too many politics threads on OT. I didn't jump on him because others already had and hypocrisy is much worse than facetiousness. You seem to have completely misunderstood my argument. I've not said that SF4 is a copy and paste of SF2. You're the one whose case is that SF4 is some radically different game that's completely different than SF2 and that it's crazy hard to switch around them. I said maybe you were slow to adapt because in the last 4 days I've played SSF2, SF3:TS and SF4 (vanilla), Blazblue, Guilty Gear, some hilarious random fighters whose name I can't even remember, the PS2 fist of the north star and MvC3 (again vanilla) and didn't have any issue switching around those despite it being years since I played a few of those. TL;DR you said SF4 is insanely different than SF2. it isn't. Trolling mode was activated. Oh man but you know what did piss me off. ME3 demo was underwhelming and Blazblue CSEX is delayed in Canada. THAT pissed me off.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]
You called me a pompous c*nt. Before that you tried taking shots at my skill as a gamer. You made derrogitory statements that have no bearing on this discussion whatsoever. You are at least frustrated if not a bit mad.
The one guy said the game is SF2 in 2.5d.
When all the underlying mechanics of SF4 are built from the ground up different from their SF2 counterparts and then you go and add the new mechanics in SF4 over that you have a completely different game. Same genre. Same series stapes. Completely different GAME.
Yet you chose to leave his hyperbole be and jump on my case. And got upset in the process.
sandbox3d
Fair enough. It seems we're on the same page and simply arguing semantics. Insanely different may have been a poor choice of words. It works for me because almost every aspect of SF4 is different from SF2, barring the natural parrallels that come with the genre and a few staples.
Well arguing semantics is as important to system wars as arguing opinions, right? Anyway yeah we do seem to be on the same page. Something about the fighting game scene though, you know? Makes everyone **** talk each other. Kind of unfortunate really.
[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] You're mistaking being upset or frustrated with me having fun with you, too many politics threads on OT. I didn't jump on him because others already had and hypocrisy is much worse than facetiousness. You seem to have completely misunderstood my argument. I've not said that SF4 is a copy and paste of SF2. You're the one whose case is that SF4 is some radically different game that's completely different than SF2 and that it's crazy hard to switch around them. I said maybe you were slow to adapt because in the last 4 days I've played SSF2, SF3:TS and SF4 (vanilla), Blazblue, Guilty Gear, some hilarious random fighters whose name I can't even remember, the PS2 fist of the north star and MvC3 (again vanilla) and didn't have any issue switching around those despite it being years since I played a few of those. TL;DR you said SF4 is insanely different than SF2. it isn't. Trolling mode was activated. Oh man but you know what did piss me off. ME3 demo was underwhelming and Blazblue CSEX is delayed in Canada. THAT pissed me off.Ace6301
Fair enough. It seems we're on the same page and simply arguing semantics. Insanely different may have been a poor choice of words. It works for me because almost every aspect of SF4 is different from SF2, barring the natural parrallels that come with the genre and a few staples.
Well arguing semantics is as important to system wars as arguing opinions, right? Anyway yeah we do seem to be on the same page. Something about the fighting game scene though, you know? Makes everyone **** talk each other. Kind of unfortunate really.You guys should kiss now. :)
[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] You're mistaking being upset or frustrated with me having fun with you, too many politics threads on OT. I didn't jump on him because others already had and hypocrisy is much worse than facetiousness. You seem to have completely misunderstood my argument. I've not said that SF4 is a copy and paste of SF2. You're the one whose case is that SF4 is some radically different game that's completely different than SF2 and that it's crazy hard to switch around them. I said maybe you were slow to adapt because in the last 4 days I've played SSF2, SF3:TS and SF4 (vanilla), Blazblue, Guilty Gear, some hilarious random fighters whose name I can't even remember, the PS2 fist of the north star and MvC3 (again vanilla) and didn't have any issue switching around those despite it being years since I played a few of those. TL;DR you said SF4 is insanely different than SF2. it isn't. Trolling mode was activated. Oh man but you know what did piss me off. ME3 demo was underwhelming and Blazblue CSEX is delayed in Canada. THAT pissed me off.Ace6301
Fair enough. It seems we're on the same page and simply arguing semantics. Insanely different may have been a poor choice of words. It works for me because almost every aspect of SF4 is different from SF2, barring the natural parrallels that come with the genre and a few staples.
Well arguing semantics is as important to system wars as arguing opinions, right? Anyway yeah we do seem to be on the same page. Something about the fighting game scene though, you know? Makes everyone **** talk each other. Kind of unfortunate really.Its the competitive spirit! :evil:
Well arguing semantics is as important to system wars as arguing opinions, right? Anyway yeah we do seem to be on the same page. Something about the fighting game scene though, you know? Makes everyone **** talk each other. Kind of unfortunate really.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]
Fair enough. It seems we're on the same page and simply arguing semantics. Insanely different may have been a poor choice of words. It works for me because almost every aspect of SF4 is different from SF2, barring the natural parrallels that come with the genre and a few staples.
Wiimotefan
You guys should kiss now. :)
FTFY Honestly man, I would've defended Capcom too, it it weren't for the BS they pulled.
- Released SSFIV AE... released SSFIV: AE Version 2012 in the same year.
- Released MvC3... released UMvC3 9 months later.
And last but certainly not least,
Canning MML3. Not only that but they blame the fans for not being involved enough with the project.
Capcom use to be one of the companies that have games I look forward to.
Now I can't even do that without having to worry about them releasing a superior version a few months later, thus I am holding out on SFxT.
That, and definitely MML3.
I think part of the issue is that Capcom does a whole bunch of stupid sh*t all the time and not just with their fighting games. I mean fighting games have always been fairly milked and I'm pretty damn happy SSF4AE2012 and Continuum Shift 2 were both free to download if you had their respective earlier editions. But Capcom are infamous for milking everything and purposefully pissing their fans off. Example: MML3 canned, no megaman in MvC3 and then they put fat-megaman in SFxT.Honestly man, I would've defended Capcom too, it it weren't for the BS they pulled.
DivineEcho
- Released SSFIV AE... released SSFIV: AE Version 2012 in the same year.
- Released MvC3... released UMvC3 9 months later.
And last but certainly not least,
Canning MML3. Not only that but they blame the fans for not being involved enough with the project.
Capcom use to be one of the companies that have games I look forward to.
Now I can't even do that without having to worry about them releasing a superior version a few months later, thus I am holding out on SFxT.
That, and definitely MML3.
Honestly man, I would've defended Capcom too, it it weren't for the BS they pulled.
- Released SSFIV AE... released SSFIV: AE Version 2012 in the same year.
- Released MvC3... released UMvC3 9 months later.
And last but certainly not least,
Canning MML3. Not only that but they blame the fans for not being involved enough with the project.
Capcom use to be one of the companies that have games I look forward to.
Now I can't even do that without having to worry about them releasing a superior version a few months later, thus I am holding out on SFxT.
That, and definitely MML3.DivineEcho
AE 2012 was a FREE patch.
Capcom said UMvC3 was released so early due to liscensing.
Megaman games sell poorly and they probably canceled it because it wouldn't have earned them much at all. The little facebook "movement" failed to garner enough support. If Sengoku Basara can sell around 100k units and no longer be on the list to be brought over, a big name like Megaman isn't going to do well with only 50k supporters.
AE 2012 was a FREE patch.OneSanitarium
And? Was the patch really necessary? So what if fools are whining about how OP the twins and Fei were? It's just sad how bad the FGC is now, asking for nerfs and not even trying to learn the matchup.
My problem isn't even the patch, but how bad SFIV is being milked. Seriously, make SFV or something. Even Fuudo himself said it, people are getting tired of the same game.
Capcom said UMvC3 was released so early due to liscensing.OneSanitarium
And UMvC3 was needed because... ? It would have been fine if it were just a patch, but a full game? And 9 months after Vanilla? BS.
Megaman games sell poorly and they probably canceled it because it wouldn't have earned them much at all. The little facebook "movement" failed to garner enough support. If Sengoku Basara can sell around 100k units and no longer be on the list to be brought over, a big name like Megaman isn't going to do well with only 50k supporters.OneSanitarium
It's been more than a decade since the last MML. And last year Capcom said that they wanted the fans to take part in the development for the game, and allowed them to give ideas to the project. We did just that. People worked hard in those character designs. The whole community pitched in. And they canned the game just because one person left? So you're telling me that they're allowed to just step all over people like that? Especially given the fact that those are the same people, the consumers, that turned them into the super power that they are today?
[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]AE 2012 was a FREE patch.DivineEcho
And? Was the patch really necessary? So what if fools are whining about how OP the twins and Fei were? It's just sad how bad the FGC is now, asking for nerfs and not even trying to learn the matchup.
My problem isn't even the patch, but how bad SFIV is being milked. Seriously, make SFV or something. Even Fuudo himself said it, people are getting tired of the same game.
Capcom said UMvC3 was released so early due to liscensing.OneSanitarium
And UMvC3 was needed because... ? It would have been fine if it were just a patch, but a full game? And 9 months after Vanilla? BS. 1). Don't **** about free balance patches. There was some serious imbalances in SSF4AE that needed addressing. I hate that mentality that "just learn the match up or play that character if you think it's so great!" because all it does is spurr apathy in the scene. SSF4 was decently balanced and then AE pissed on that. 2012 was more for a return to SSF4 level of balance. Most importantly it's not milking if the company is giving it away for free. 2). As for UMvC3 I'm fairly mixed. It didn't really address balance issue as much as I think many hoped it would but it did add quite a few characters. Personally I think it's fair to ask $40 for what Umvc3 was. The reason I personally haven't bought it is because of the release timing. So I guess I agree with your sentiment about it being released too soon even if there is an excuse for that.
And? Was the patch really necessary? So what if fools are whining about how OP the twins and Fei were? It's just sad how bad the FGC is now, asking for nerfs and not even trying to learn the matchup.
My problem isn't even the patch, but how bad SFIV is being milked. Seriously, make SFV or something. Even Fuudo himself said it, people are getting tired of the same game.
And UMvC3 was needed because... ? It would have been fine if it were just a patch, but a full game? And 9 months after Vanilla? BS.
It's been more than a decade since the last MML. And last year Capcom said that they wanted the fans to take part in the development for the game, and allowed them to give ideas to the project. We did just that. People worked hard in those character designs. The whole community pitched in. And they canned the game just because one person left? So you're telling me that they're allowed to just step all over people like that? Especially given the fact that those are the same people, the consumers, that turned them into the super power that they are today?DivineEcho
I..what? How is that even relevant? You were criticizing them for release AE 2012 as if it was milking even though it was a free patch. And considering the characters were all pretty much universally nerfed with the twins and Fei being pretty Strong is enough reason for a balance patch.
Capcom released UMvC3 also because it ended up being cheaper than releasing the characters as DLC. They won't add characters for free, because why should they? They really don't need to. Plus the game balanced a lot of stuff out.
The idea that Capcom would cancel a game to spite a single person is ridiculous. They would only do it if they saw no real opportunity to gain money from it.
[QUOTE="DivineEcho"]
And? Was the patch really necessary? So what if fools are whining about how OP the twins and Fei were? It's just sad how bad the FGC is now, asking for nerfs and not even trying to learn the matchup.
My problem isn't even the patch, but how bad SFIV is being milked. Seriously, make SFV or something. Even Fuudo himself said it, people are getting tired of the same game.
And UMvC3 was needed because... ? It would have been fine if it were just a patch, but a full game? And 9 months after Vanilla? BS.
It's been more than a decade since the last MML. And last year Capcom said that they wanted the fans to take part in the development for the game, and allowed them to give ideas to the project. We did just that. People worked hard in those character designs. The whole community pitched in. And they canned the game just because one person left? So you're telling me that they're allowed to just step all over people like that? Especially given the fact that those are the same people, the consumers, that turned them into the super power that they are today?OneSanitarium
I..what? How is that even relevant? You were criticizing them for release AE 2012 as if it was milking even though it was a free patch. And considering the characters were all pretty much universally nerfed with the twins and Fei being pretty Strong is enough reason for a balance patch.
Capcom released UMvC3 also because it ended up being cheaper than releasing the characters as DLC. They won't add characters for free, because why should they? They really don't need to. Plus the game balanced a lot of stuff out.
The idea that Capcom would cancel a game to spite a single person is ridiculous. They would only do it if they saw no real opportunity to gain money from it.
To be fair to him on that last point Capcom HAS been pretty spiteful towards megaman the last little bit so I wouldn't rule out them holding a grudge against Inafune.[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"][QUOTE="DivineEcho"]
And? Was the patch really necessary? So what if fools are whining about how OP the twins and Fei were? It's just sad how bad the FGC is now, asking for nerfs and not even trying to learn the matchup.
My problem isn't even the patch, but how bad SFIV is being milked. Seriously, make SFV or something. Even Fuudo himself said it, people are getting tired of the same game.
And UMvC3 was needed because... ? It would have been fine if it were just a patch, but a full game? And 9 months after Vanilla? BS.
It's been more than a decade since the last MML. And last year Capcom said that they wanted the fans to take part in the development for the game, and allowed them to give ideas to the project. We did just that. People worked hard in those character designs. The whole community pitched in. And they canned the game just because one person left? So you're telling me that they're allowed to just step all over people like that? Especially given the fact that those are the same people, the consumers, that turned them into the super power that they are today?Ace6301
I..what? How is that even relevant? You were criticizing them for release AE 2012 as if it was milking even though it was a free patch. And considering the characters were all pretty much universally nerfed with the twins and Fei being pretty Strong is enough reason for a balance patch.
Capcom released UMvC3 also because it ended up being cheaper than releasing the characters as DLC. They won't add characters for free, because why should they? They really don't need to. Plus the game balanced a lot of stuff out.
The idea that Capcom would cancel a game to spite a single person is ridiculous. They would only do it if they saw no real opportunity to gain money from it.
To be fair to him on that last point Capcom HAS been pretty spiteful towards megaman the last little bit so I wouldn't rule out them holding a grudge against Inafune.Even if Capcom had a grudge against himm I don't think they would cancel a game just to spite someone. They probably care more about money than to do that.[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="meconate"]And it's still the best fighter this gen, making Street Fighter IV look like one of the poorest this gen... but that didn't take much.Ace6301
Scored less, Sold less, featured very little in competitive play, is an inferior version of the ones the best fighters ever and is even milked harder than SF4. Yeah best fighter this gen my ass.
Basing fighting game quality off review score and sales. Oh lawd. SSBB God like fighting game confirmed! Inferior version of one of the best fighters ever? You could say exactly the same thing about SF4 and MvC3. I'll take BB over any of the capcom fighters released this gen. Sure GG is better in most ways but I'd rather take an inferior version of GG than an inferior version of SF or MvC2.I don't care about scores and sales for fighting games, I was just cutting off that angle immediately. Also no one calls MVC3 better than 2, and SF is an inferior what? which one is the best SF? BB is GG watered down and full of anime cliches to appeal to more people, that is reality, Daisuke said this.
Basing fighting game quality off review score and sales. Oh lawd. SSBB God like fighting game confirmed! Inferior version of one of the best fighters ever? You could say exactly the same thing about SF4 and MvC3. I'll take BB over any of the capcom fighters released this gen. Sure GG is better in most ways but I'd rather take an inferior version of GG than an inferior version of SF or MvC2.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GD1551"]
Scored less, Sold less, featured very little in competitive play, is an inferior version of the ones the best fighters ever and is even milked harder than SF4. Yeah best fighter this gen my ass.
GD1551
I don't care about scores and sales for fighting games, I was just cutting off that angle immediately. Also no one calls MVC3 better than 2, and SF is an inferior what? which one is the best SF? BB is GG watered down and full of anime cliches to appeal to more people, that is reality, Daisuke said this.
Third Strike is generally agreed to be better than SF4. As for me personally there's a few versions of SF2 that I'd put ahead of it as well. GG was also full of anime cliches. Daisuke Ishiwatari was only involved in the music for BB. Besides what does it matter if BB isn't as good as GG? It's still an extremely legit fighting game on it's own.[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Third Strike is generally agreed to be better than SF4. As for me personally there's a few versions of SF2 that I'd put ahead of it as well. GG was also full of anime cliches. Daisuke Ishiwatari was only involved in the music for BB. Besides what does it matter if BB isn't as good as GG? It's still an extremely legit fighting game on it's own.meconateWow! I have to say, I completely agree with this quote through and through. Though I don't get how people say BB is a watered down version of GG; sure there are a lot of similarities, but BB in my eyes is more like a perfected GG, perhaps what GG should've been? That said, I really enjoy playing both.
Nah, the games are too different for BB to be considered a perfected GG. And it deffinitely isn't a "What GG should have been." at least not IMO.
Third Strike is generally agreed to be better than SF4. As for me personally there's a few versions of SF2 that I'd put ahead of it as well. GG was also full of anime cliches. Daisuke Ishiwatari was only involved in the music for BB. Besides what does it matter if BB isn't as good as GG? It's still an extremely legit fighting game on it's own.Ace6301
You see the difference is, they play nothing alike, which is why I asked you which was the best one. SF2 + 4 have similarities but are ultimately different games even on a fundamental level. As for your other statement, long time fans like myself preferred GG or BB to be at least on GG's level.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Third Strike is generally agreed to be better than SF4. As for me personally there's a few versions of SF2 that I'd put ahead of it as well. GG was also full of anime cliches. Daisuke Ishiwatari was only involved in the music for BB. Besides what does it matter if BB isn't as good as GG? It's still an extremely legit fighting game on it's own.meconateWow! I have to say, I completely agree with this quote through and through. Though I don't get how people say BB is a watered down version of GG; sure there are a lot of similarities, but BB in my eyes is more like a perfected GG, perhaps what GG should've been? That said, I really enjoy playing both.
"Guilty Gearis a difficult game to play, with many systems to master. When we balanced the game and made revisions, we listened to our fanbase and made changes we wanted to make – which was to make a very technical, hardcore fighter. This was our intention. I don't think you can have it both ways. BlazBlue has a good balance I think of being easy to pick up, but still having a depth for more dedicated players to explore. Will the nextGuilty Gearbe easier? No, I don't think so – it will be a difficult game. But, I would like to implement systems like a beginner mode to help new players get started." - Daisuke (Creator of GG)
My only deal with BlazBlue is of course the fact that the releases recently are just perfected version of Continuum Shift, even though I'm desperate to continue the story. One of the biggest highlight for me, and is probably why I consider it to be one of, if not the best fighter I've played is due to the characters being so different to one an other to really suit the player's tastes and how you find yourself inventing your own combos to use, even if you've almost mastered the pre-made combos in the challenge mode. I love making my own combos, which is probably why I was surprised by Mortal Kombat as I find myself doing the same with that.meconate
Challenge mode is there not to teach you, but to just showcase what the character can do with varying levels of difficulty. More often than not, challenge/trial mode combos are not very good. You can usually do more damage easier with a more optimized combo.
No, but just because that's how he sees BlazBlue doesn't have to me I have to agree, does it? I'm not suddenly gonna read that and say "Oh, well the designer of a separate fighting game says so, so I have to agree!" I don't claim to know better than him, but I have my own views and opinions, and as far as I see it, I would consider it a watered down version of another game. My opinion. I'll just wait for the "your opinion is wrong" brigade, they usually come around this time.
meconate
You realize GG and BB were made by the same dev team right? You make it sound as though it's a designer from a totally different company saying this..
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No, but just because that's how he sees BlazBlue doesn't have to me I have to agree, does it? I'm not suddenly gonna read that and say "Oh, well the designer of a separate fighting game says so, so I have to agree!" I don't claim to know better than him, but I have my own views and opinions, and as far as I see it, I would consider it a watered down version of another game. My opinion. I'll just wait for the "your opinion is wrong" brigade, they usually come around this time.
meconate
You realize GG and BB were made by the same dev team right? You make it sound as though it's a designer from a totally different company saying this..
Yeah I know this, but you're quoting Daisuke who designed/created Guilty Gear but only composed the music in BlazBlue, so it seems a little odd to say he's right about a game he didn't develop this time. Just off topic, what is your signature from? I'm sure I've seen it before...He obviously knows how it works though, he knows what they are going to do with the game and what they aren't. The anime in my sig is called Fate/Prototype.
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Third Strike is generally agreed to be better than SF4. As for me personally there's a few versions of SF2 that I'd put ahead of it as well. GG was also full of anime cliches. Daisuke Ishiwatari was only involved in the music for BB. Besides what does it matter if BB isn't as good as GG? It's still an extremely legit fighting game on it's own.GD1551
You see the difference is, they play nothing alike, which is why I asked you which was the best one. SF2 + 4 have similarities but are ultimately different games even on a fundamental level. As for your other statement, long time fans like myself preferred GG or BB to be at least on GG's level.
What are you even trying to say at this point. I just really hate this "Hurr durr but GG's better" attitude. Yeah. It is. BB is still a great game though and really needs more love in the US and all this attitude does is hurt the scene which is largely comprised of former GG players.
[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]
Third Strike is generally agreed to be better than SF4. As for me personally there's a few versions of SF2 that I'd put ahead of it as well. GG was also full of anime cliches. Daisuke Ishiwatari was only involved in the music for BB. Besides what does it matter if BB isn't as good as GG? It's still an extremely legit fighting game on it's own.Ace6301
You see the difference is, they play nothing alike, which is why I asked you which was the best one. SF2 + 4 have similarities but are ultimately different games even on a fundamental level. As for your other statement, long time fans like myself preferred GG or BB to be at least on GG's level.
What are you even trying to say at this point. I just really hate this "Hurr durr but GG's better" attitude. Yeah. It is. BB is still a great game though and really needs more love in the US and all this attitude does is hurt the scene which is largely comprised of former GG players.1. I was pointing out the flaw with identifying the "best" SF since they aren't very similar to each other.
2. What scene? It only hurts BB's scene, whatever is left of it. If anything having the "GG is better" attitude may get us GG faster than if we accepted BB and not qqed about it.
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