Chris Taylor to Hermits: YOUR INDUSTRY IS DYING BECAUSE OF PIRACY

[QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vandalvideo

Those are considered to be the greats, the legends, of gaming. Not just PC gaming, gaming in general. Especially Planescape. If you don't know. Planescape is the behemoth by which ALL RPGs are measured against.

[QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vandalvideo

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

[QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vandalvideo

erm theres also the little detail that no ones pays devs to keep their titiles exclusive to PC's, so thats pretty much why most games end up going out side the PC, there isnt anyone behind payng the devs to keep the game as an exclusive, so why should they?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vylence

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vylence

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vylence

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

Bioware made three multi-platform games and the rest are PC exclusive.

And, the rest of your point is invalid. I don't see how it matters if PC developers choose to make games for consoles. Unless I'm mistaken, there was a Final Fantasy game for the PC. And, most console games, specifically 360 games are ported to the PC. I don't see why they would do that if according to some people here, they would be losing there ass to pirating. It seems to me that they know that PC gaming isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vylence

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

halo wars is being made by the same people that made Age of Mithology not empires, its also their only sucessefull game

Bioware made three multi-platform games and the rest are PC exclusive.

And, the rest of your point is invalid. I don't see how it matters if PC developers choose to make games for consoles. Unless I'm mistaken, there was a Final Fantasy game for the PC. And, most console games, specifically 360 games are ported to the PC. I don't see why they would do that if according to some people here, they would be losing there ass to pirating. It seems to me that they know that PC gaming isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be.

VoodooGamer

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. VoodooGamer

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

Bioware made three multi-platform games and the rest are PC exclusive.

And, the rest of your point is invalid. I don't see how it matters if PC developers choose to make games for consoles. Unless I'm mistaken, there was a Final Fantasy game for the PC. And, most console games, specifically 360 games are ported to the PC. I don't see why they would do that if according to some people here, they would be losing there ass to pirating. It seems to me that they know that PC gaming isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be.

they released FF7 and FF8 for PC, published by EIDOS if iam not mistaken, theres also FF online(forgot the number) and i think FF9 also got released for PC but iam not sure

they released FF7 and FF8 for PC, published by EIDOS if iam not mistaken, theres also FF online(forgot the number) and i think FF9 also got released for PC but iam not sure

Mizarus

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they released FF7 and FF8 for PC, published by EIDOS if iam not mistaken, theres also FF online(forgot the number) and i think FF9 also got released for PC but iam not sure

HuusAsking

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vandalvideo

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.Vylence

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]Seems like almost all the big names in PC to me went sooner or later to console. Vylence

Baldur's gate, are they not now making most of their games for the consoles? Age of Empires, the people now making Halo Wars? Warcraft... you got me there. Disciples, Settlers, Dungeon Seige, none of which are a very good games in my opinion and I have played them. Gas Powered which made Dungeion Seige is one of the people now agreeing with me.

How many big developers who once were PC only now do not put their games on the consoles?

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.

Vylence

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Actually, every single game they've made for the consoles has gone to PCs, and the PC still has Dragon Age as an upcomming excluves. We're talking franchises remember? All of these franchises have remained exclusives. Now you're just going off on a tangent because I proved you wrong. The PC still has tons of quality exclusive titles left thay ou're never going to get on consoles. FACT.Vylence

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.

Do you honestly believe that Microsoft would someday release Planescape or Baldur's Gate 2 on XBLA or something?

Counter-question: how many new developers are making games for the consoles only, or even consoles and PC? How many are doing it for the PC only? I'm inclined to believe the latter is considerably larger. The barrier of entry is too low to be otherwise. And without these new developers, where would companies like Crytek come from?HuusAsking

I'm not sure what you are saying here... if you are saying that most Indy developers are on PC, I would agree with you. I would also point out though that while it was nearly impossible for Indy developers to put product on the consoles now it is becoming much easier. With PS3 running linux, XNA making windows and Xbox development seemless, and whatever that new thing is from Nintendo.

I know both the PS3 and Xbox360 do have Indy developers and I do believe some of them were the ones talking at GDC.

So can some of you lemmings or cows or whatever answer me why you want to see the PC industry fall on it's ass? I'm really dying to know.VoodooGamer

I do not want it to die, I just want 360 to take some Blizzard games and Maxis games. And I would point out that Maxis seems to be in the bag.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]So can some of you lemmings or cows or whatever answer me why you want to see the PC industry fall on it's ass? I'm really dying to know.Vylence

I do not want it to die, I just want 360 to take some Blizzard games and Maxis games. And I would point out that Maxis seems to be in the bag.

[QUOTE="Vylence"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Actually, every single game they've made for the consoles has gone to PCs, and the PC still has Dragon Age as an upcomming excluves. We're talking franchises remember? All of these franchises have remained exclusives. Now you're just going off on a tangent because I proved you wrong. The PC still has tons of quality exclusive titles left thay ou're never going to get on consoles. FACT.Noldorin2646

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.

Do you honestly believe that Microsoft would someday release Planescape or Baldur's Gate 2 on XBLA or something?

Have you seen all the games that have come out on the XBL? The original Doom is on Xbox Live, so is Papperboy, and Rootbeer tapper. Which frankly I never thought I'd see papperboy again.

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[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]So can some of you lemmings or cows or whatever answer me why you want to see the PC industry fall on it's ass? I'm really dying to know.Vandalvideo

I do not want it to die, I just want 360 to take some Blizzard games and Maxis games. And I would point out that Maxis seems to be in the bag.

Time is on my side. And if Blizzard does start making games on the consoles, it will be because of those problems you do not think are problems.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]So can some of you lemmings or cows or whatever answer me why you want to see the PC industry fall on it's ass? I'm really dying to know.Vylence

I do not want it to die, I just want 360 to take some Blizzard games and Maxis games. And I would point out that Maxis seems to be in the bag.

Well it wasn't really directed towards you. You don't seem to hate PC gaming or anything. But, there a lot of posts like "OMG IT"S DEAD MOVE ON" or "YOUR INDUSTRY IS DYING ADMIT IT." Not to mention the amount of threads like this. It just seems to me that these people think it's in everyones best interest that PC gaming just fall on it's ass. I don't know why. You would think people would have better things to do then to bash someone elses preferred platform.

I can however agree with you. I think everyone has a right to enjoy "great games"

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]So can some of you lemmings or cows or whatever answer me why you want to see the PC industry fall on it's ass? I'm really dying to know.Vylence

I do not want it to die, I just want 360 to take some Blizzard games and Maxis games. And I would point out that Maxis seems to be in the bag.

Time is on my side. And if Blizzard does start making games on the consoles, it will be because of those problems you do not think are problems.

[QUOTE="Noldorin2646"]

[QUOTE="Vylence"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Actually, every single game they've made for the consoles has gone to PCs, and the PC still has Dragon Age as an upcomming excluves. We're talking franchises remember? All of these franchises have remained exclusives. Now you're just going off on a tangent because I proved you wrong. The PC still has tons of quality exclusive titles left thay ou're never going to get on consoles. FACT.Vylence

I like how you call things fact which can only be proven in the future.

Do you honestly believe that Microsoft would someday release Planescape or Baldur's Gate 2 on XBLA or something?

Have you seen all the games that have come out on the XBL? The original Doom is on Xbox Live, so is Papperboy, and Rootbeer tapper. Which frankly I never thought I'd see papperboy again.

What I'm curious to know is why so many of you hate PC gaming? It blows my mind that you would hate something that doesn't really affect your time on the console. Fanboyism? Stupidity? I don't know. But, it's a bit wacked to think that people hate trivial things just to hate.VoodooGamer

Baldur's Gate and Planescape are both RPGs that are PC exclusives. No console gamer is gonna play a game that they probably have never heard of before.
mo0ksi

You mean how blizzard games are some of the best selling games of all time and currently hold the highest ammount of subscribers? They ain't goin anytime soon.Vandalvideo

Like Starcraft and Diablo didn't go? Or how Starcraft Ghost wasn't almost a console exclusive. I will be interested in learning what the deal is with their next MMO. And Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore its Blizzard Activision, who is owned by Vivendi.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You mean how blizzard games are some of the best selling games of all time and currently hold the highest ammount of subscribers? They ain't goin anytime soon.Vylence

Like Starcraft and Diablo didn't go? Or how Starcraft Ghost wasn't almost a console exclusive. I will be interested in learning what the deal is with their next MMO. And Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore its Blizzard Activision, who is owned by Vivendi.

starcraft and diablo ports didnt even compre to the original games, and they probly had a good reason to cancel Starcraft ghost, also iam pretty sure that Blizz version of Starcraft and Diablo made less money on consoles then it did on PC, Piracy included

And Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore its Blizzard Activision, who is owned by Vivendi.

Vylence

A. Blizzard has been owned by Vivendi for many, many years.

B. they have stated the merger won't interfere with their normal business activities.

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And Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore its Blizzard Activision, who is owned by Vivendi.

Hewkii

A. Blizzard has been owned by Vivendi for many, many years.

B. they have stated the merger won't interfere with their normal business activities.

c. They have said they are not intrested in consoles at all.

And I would point out Blizzard explicitly stated they have no intentions to make console games because of the royalties associated with it.Vandalvideo

I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING ALL CONSOLES VS. PC? DON'T YOU SEE THE FLAWED LOGIC IN THAT STATEMENT? AGAINST EACH AND EVERY CONSOLE, THE PC IS JUST FINE.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]What I'm curious to know is why so many of you hate PC gaming? It blows my mind that you would hate something that doesn't really affect your time on the console. Fanboyism? Stupidity? I don't know. But, it's a bit wacked to think that people hate trivial things just to hate.darkmagician06

WoW is still more of a hardcore game than just about every console game out there. Blizzard doesn't make casual games, popcap and company do. Blizzard just knows how to create games, they are one of the best at it.

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Oh also, what the hell is Chris Taylor smoking - Crysis sold 1 million in two months, even with huge system requirements.

million in two months just like another former 360 exclusive Mass Effect - both deemed sucessful.

How is that bad at all?

JiveT

Come off it already. Crysis didn't sell 1 million copies to people. It sold 1 million copies to video card makers to pack in with their cards.

Doesent include Video cards or DD... :|

Hopefully PC will be able to compete with the mainstream again before it completely turns casual.wok7

Hopefully PC will be able to compete with the mainstream again before it completely turns casual.wok7

eermm..mainstream is casual. SO to compete with the mainstream it would have to become MORE casual, just like consoles are

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Baldur's Gate and Planescape are both RPGs that are PC exclusives. No console gamer is gonna play a game that they probably have never heard of before.
HuusAsking

On an IGN podcast, this was touched one briefly. They had a grudge match between Street Fighter and Super Smash Bros. Now, the older crowd all said, well, this is really hard to choose because the Street Fighter arcade games were awesome, whereas the younger generation bashed Street Fighter to smithereens. So there you go, I bet the general response to Baldur's Gate or Fallout on Xbox Live would be "WTH is this?"

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they released FF7 and FF8 for PC, published by EIDOS if iam not mistaken, theres also FF online(forgot the number) and i think FF9 also got released for PC but iam not sure

Vandalvideo

Actualy they are making PCgames. Every single big 3rd party console publisher is now investing in PCgaming, every single one. And people say PCgaming is dying. I guess those companies are all suicidal (hey, it makes sense, most of them are japanese afterall :D )

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You mean how blizzard games are some of the best selling games of all time and currently hold the highest ammount of subscribers? They ain't goin anytime soon.Vylence

Like Starcraft and Diablo didn't go? Or how Starcraft Ghost wasn't almost a console exclusive. I will be interested in learning what the deal is with their next MMO. And Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore its Blizzard Activision, who is owned by Vivendi.

you do know what after canceling Ghost Blizzard closed down all their console teams and either fired people or moved them into PC teams? Blizzard makes more money on PCgaming than the ever could on consoles. And with rumored Starcraft MMO it will stay this way for some time. Will Blizzard stay PC exclusive forever? No way to tell, but you're fooling yourself if you think you will see Blizzard making console games in the next 5 years '

In future everything can happen, Blizz might move to consoles, just like Kojima might move to being PC exclusive developer :)

MISCONCEPTION!? The PC has lost the most exclusives: FACT. Games which they would not have even thought about putting on a console they now develop first on the consoles. And so what Starcraft sold 15 million over its lifetime, so did GT4 according to others. And my lack of understanding of the PC market means I should not debate you? Meanwhile lead developers from your platform agree with me.Vylence

It works both ways. In PSX era there hardly were any console games on PC. Consoles were getting tons of ports from PC, but it virtualy didn't happen the other way around. Nowadays tons of important 3rd party console games are ported to PC. We didn't see it before, not to this degree.

And Mario has had more games then any character on the PC, he's on the consoles.

Vylence

what character? He has no personality. Gabriel Knight alone has more personality and is more psychologicaly belivable character than anything ever done on consoles.

More QQ from a TC who is too dumb to realize that games are in fact developed on PCs and consoles are becoming more like PCs each generation.

I wonder if he knows that people who pirate software/music/games wouldn't end up buying the games anyway even if they didn't have access to the ability to pirate said products. It's been proven, get over yourself.

Epic fail.

Lol I'm sure that there's piracy on consoles too. vicscrape

PC game piracy DWARFS console game piracy and with the rise of broadband access it's insidious influence is rotting out the entire PC gaming industry.

I warned people in the OP to not try and use this line of argument because it's irrevelant.

[QUOTE="vicscrape"]Lol I'm sure that there's piracy on consoles too. JiveT

PC game piracy DWARFS console game piracy and with the rise of broadband access it's insidious influence is rotting out the entire PC gaming industry.

I warned people in the OP to not try and use this line of argument because it's irrevelant.

True but you still cant deny the fact that there's still piracy on consoles especially on other parts of the world

[QUOTE="vicscrape"]Lol I'm sure that there's piracy on consoles too. JiveT

PC game piracy DWARFS console game piracy and with the rise of broadband access it's insidious influence is rotting out the entire PC gaming industry.

I warned people in the OP to not try and use this line of argument because it's irrevelant.

And despite all the rotting piracy, game sales are up from 2006. Just shows how much bigger PC Gaming is compared to console gaming.

[QUOTE="vicscrape"]Lol I'm sure that there's piracy on consoles too. JiveT

PC game piracy DWARFS console game piracy and with the rise of broadband access it's insidious influence is rotting out the entire PC gaming industry.

I warned people in the OP to not try and use this line of argument because it's irrevelant.

Please, NDS and PSP have many pirated games... jesus you'd have to be blind not to see all the torrents about them.