Cliffy B on XB1 DRM (Plus a jab at Gamespot....LOL)

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....Great read.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....

timbers_WSU

He's an idiot.  Why does anyone expect to make money on the same product that was sold twice?  It doesn't and shouldn't happen.

If publishers and developers are finding it hard to make money, reduce the damn budget.

Edit:  Didn't read it, I assumed it was his twitter rants.  Doesn't change what I said though.

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....

clyde46

Always best to sit at the back :)

Ugh... I ain't readin all that. At least quote some relevant lines from it or something, don't just post a link to the article

What was the GS jab?

Ugh... I ain't readin all that.

What was the GS jab?

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....

clyde46

I know you probably "Actually" know what back of the bus refers too but lol Cliffy, that was a needless shot. 

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....

ActicEdge

I know you probably "Actually" know what back of the bus refers too but lol Cliffy, that was a needless shot. 

He's an idiot.  Why does anyone expect to make money on the same product that was sold twice?  It doesn't and shouldn't happen.

If publishers and developers are finding it hard to make money, reduce the damn budget.

Edit:  Didn't read it, I assumed it was his twitter rants.  Doesn't change what I said though.

Chutebox

i really think the guy is a d*ck after subscribing to his twitter.

i really think the guy is a d*ck after subscribing to his twitter.

Mr720fan

6 years ago: "Piracy on PC is too much, consoles are the future"

Present day: "Used games are too much, PC/Mobile is the future"

Nobody takes you seriously much CliffyB. Just go back to buying expensive luxury cars and live out the rest of your days in shame.

He's an idiot.  Why does anyone expect to make money on the same product that was sold twice?  It doesn't and shouldn't happen.

If publishers and developers are finding it hard to make money, reduce the damn budget.

Edit:  Didn't read it, I assumed it was his twitter rants.  Doesn't change what I said though.

Chutebox

I get his point (yeah I actually read it all) and its valid in that he isn't just trying to shit on consumer rightd but I disagree. The way capitalism works (and its not my idea of a great and balanced system for the people but what can I do) is that if you don't have a sustainable model, you die. That's an incredibly easy thing to say when "dying" to me doesn't directly put 300-500 people out of work who have families to feed and bills to pay and I don't have to see that. I can understand his point.

That said like, no other industry just gets to have these emotional pleas to their fans and its this that bugs the shit out of me. Cliffy, you don't give a shit about the person that works register at GS for minimum wage. To you its not your problem so why should we feel that way about your business? Cliffy, do you give a shit about all the stuff that the oil and refining engineers go through to get oil into your car? Do you understand the bullshit about "high gas prices" that isn't their fault but they still take the grunt of the blame? No, you don't care, its not your place so why do you think its on you to make people in your industry symptheitc so they can get fucucked?

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

i really think the guy is a d*ck after subscribing to his twitter.

timbers_WSU

well i hope that you have options to go all digital, nothing is stopping them, ill just download all my games attach it to me be done

hmm isnt cliffy b the guy who would take it from microsoft in all positions and make dumb statements excusing anything they do? 

CliffyB wants attention.narutosup

He does make some good points.

I'm sick of Game trying to convince me to buy used games at the tills because I'd save pennies when I want a new damn copy.

There are so many solutions to the problem too. Why don't they just ban retailers from selling used versions of a game the first month its out.

He did make one really good point though. Microsoft tried to appeal to a the physical copy audience while pushing their digital agenda. You can't have it both ways and the internet counter attack showed it.

Chances are though, next gen, Microsoft is definitely going all digital. Microsoft's initialy attempts is making this inevitable.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....

ActicEdge

I know you probably "Actually" know what back of the bus refers too but lol Cliffy, that was a needless shot. 

i really think the guy is a d*ck after subscribing to his twitter.

Mr720fan

I always thought we was a d*ck tbh. Never did like that sleezy fukr.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] All the cool kids sit at the back of the bus. LOL Cliffy B's a nerd! :lol:jg4xchamp

I know you probably "Actually" know what back of the bus refers too but lol Cliffy, that was a needless shot. 

Oh, I didn't think cliffy meant back of the bus like that, I was referencing clyde's making fun of it :P  All in good fun.

I still think it was needless to attack GS editorial staff though. What does that "do" for your argument or your credibility?

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

i really think the guy is a d*ck after subscribing to his twitter.

pelvist

I always thought we was a d*ck tbh. Never did like that sleezy fukr.

he is funny but he says some stupid things, he needs a slap maybe

It's a good read and the Gamespot dig was kinda right, Gamespot articles about the DRM issue has been weak at best

tl;dr

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

He's an idiot.; Why does anyone expect to make money on the same product that was sold twice?  It doesn't and shouldn't happen.

If publishers and developers are finding it hard to make money, reduce the damn budget.

Edit:  Didn't read it, I assumed it was his twitter rants.  Doesn't change what I said though.

heeweesRus

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I know you probably "Actually" know what back of the bus refers too but lol Cliffy, that was a needless shot. 

ActicEdge

Oh, I didn't think cliffy meant back of the bus like that, I was referencing clyde's making fun of it :P  All in good fun.

I still think it was needless to attack GS editorial staff though. What does that "do" for your argument or your credibility?

6 years ago: "Piracy on PC is too much, consoles are the future"

Present day: "Used games are too much, PC/Mobile is the future"

Nobody takes you seriously much CliffyB. Just go back to buying expensive luxury cars and live out the rest of your days in shame.

Mozuckint

Prior to Steam, piracy actually was killing the PC. Revenues were declining substantially every year.

After Steam, PC revenue began increasing again, and it sees record growth every year. Steam's business, by itself, doubles year over year. That's how great it's become. PC is now the number one platform for revenue, and surpasses the entire console industry.

Now it's time for the console industry to make a similar jump. If they don't do it soon then the market will crash. We've already seen dozens of devs fail this generation because they can't keep up in that market.

The problem is the console fanbase seems hellbent on keeping physical copies around, shuns the idea of online connectivity, and there's a huge disconnect between the retail/digital markets that keeps an on-going mindset that digital games aren't as valuable.

The new generation is coming, and almost nothing seems to be changing in regards to how games are distributed on consoles. The Console industry has seen decreasing revenue year over year since 2008 while the PC market has been substantially increasing, and the tablet/smartphone market is booming.

Gamers have found easier ways to get their entertainment. It's time for consoles to bring that same level of accessibility, and for console gamers to not dismiss it.

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

He's an idiot.; Why does anyone expect to make money on the same product that was sold twice?  It doesn't and shouldn't happen.

If publishers and developers are finding it hard to make money, reduce the damn budget.

Edit:  Didn't read it, I assumed it was his twitter rants.  Doesn't change what I said though.

Chutebox

Kotaku and Polygon, thought provoking?

I can't help but disagree cliff.

"What is it people like Cliff Bleszinski always say to gamers? Oh right, it's a business!

Yeah, it's a business alright. You know what businesses are very good at doing? Failing. And if companies fail because they needed a console that inconvenienced consumers and imposed restrictions on other markets, well ... that's business for you. 

Prove you deserve to survive. It's a business ... and that means you're not **** entitled to your existence."

http://www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Needless sure, but it's not even remotely implied like that.

He's talking about Gamespot's editorial side, and frankly it's not like he's wrong on that end either.

jg4xchamp

Oh, I didn't think cliffy meant back of the bus like that, I was referencing clyde's making fun of it :P  All in good fun.

I still think it was needless to attack GS editorial staff though. What does that "do" for your argument or your credibility?

I agree that the biggest reason X1 was a no go imo is because they wanted to sell me physical media in a console space but restrict me to digital limitations. That's a no go. You can't have both. You either go 100% digital or you leave retail alone. MS willing to screw me over isn't really that big in whether I would buy their product just because every company will try to screw you over. I don't see why if any company got you into a purely digital none trading space, they would just let you have that right back again. I think its a false conclusion. Game media is a joke. But this is a very important point I wanna bring up after reading a post about it at gaf.

Publishers like EA, Activision, Ubi, Take Two etc directly benefit from having their games stocked at gamestop. The customer base who goes to buy games from like walmart or target (2 large game distribution places) are extremely different from someone who knowingly walks into a gaming dedicated store to buy a game. So the idea that the developer should see money for every copy they sell because of their hard work instead of gamestop is false. Gamestop built an entire franchise and shoulders the entire burden of running that franchise and on top of that, they market AAA games better than "anybody". You don't see Bioshock Infinite or The Last of Us poster boards, commercials and pre order pamphlets at Walmart. Gamestop is doing these developers a huge deal of business, and so its bs that they should be treated like burdening all the risks of the industry they made for themselves is stealing. If it was that easy, all the publishers bitching about used sales would have done it themselves already but clearly it isn't. 

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I actually agree with a lot of what CliffyB said. Honestly, I didn't even fully disagree with what MS was trying to do. It was their horrible delivery and conflicting information from their spokesmen that screwed everything up. They made no effort in actually conveying the benefits of their policies. Having an digital focused console similar to Steam is a great idea, and digital is the future whether people like it or not.Desmonic

The problem is gamers/consumers dont have faith in the half the games that come out anymore.

How can they expect us to buy a console with forced DMR when over half the games that come out have server issues.

Diablo 3

gears of war 2

twisted metal

dead island

Not only that but the budget of gaming has gotten out of control. Im so sick of companies demanding more moneyy when they have proven even with an insane budget tthey still make shitty games look at star wars the old republic

Most the the games people praise and talk about these days are lower budget games. witcher 1, dark/demon souls, League of legends, amnesia. Alot of high budget games come out and just make you wonder where the hell the budget went. 

one last thing if microsoft wanted to get rid of the used game market... why did they announce their first party titles as 60 bucks? why the hell was it the same price as the sony first party titles? 

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Just lower the budget? Do you understand how silly you sound right now?

jg4xchamp

Oh, didn't know that.  Thanks

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Oh, I didn't think cliffy meant back of the bus like that, I was referencing clyde's making fun of it :P  All in good fun.

I still think it was needless to attack GS editorial staff though. What does that "do" for your argument or your credibility?

ActicEdge

I agree that the biggest reason X1 was a no go imo is because they wanted to sell me physical media in a console space but restrict me to digital limitations. That's a no go. You can't have both. You either go 100% digital or you leave retail alone. MS willing to screw me over isn't really that big in whether I would buy their product just because every company will try to screw you over. I don't see why if any company got you into a purely digital none trading space, they would just let you have that right back again. I think its a false conclusion. Game media is a joke. But this is a very important point I wanna bring up after reading a post about it at gaf.

Publishers like EA, Activision, Ubi, Take Two etc directly benefit from having their games stocked at gamestop. The customer base who goes to buy games from like walmart or target (2 large game distribution places) are extremely different from someone who knowingly walks into a gaming dedicated store to buy a game. So the idea that the developer should see money for every copy they sell because of their hard work instead of gamestop is false. Gamestop built an entire franchise and shoulders the entire burden of running that franchise and on top of that, they market AAA games better than "anybody". You don't see Bioshock Infinite or The Last of Us poster boards, commercials and pre order pamphlets at Walmart. Gamestop is doing these developers a huge deal of business, and so its bs that they should be treated like burdening all the risks of the industry they made for themselves is stealing. If it was that easy, all the publishers bitching about used sales would have done it themselves already but clearly it isn't. 

Wtf does back of the hus even refer to?  CliffyB's all encompassing knowledge of every gaming forum on the net?  That's uneducated fluff talk.  There are dozens of people who consistently write thought out responses to questions in this forum alone.  That was a cheap shot with no merit. 

Wtf does back of the hus even refer to?  CliffyB's all encompassing knowledge of every gaming forum on the net?  That's uneducated fluff talk.  There are dozens of people who consistently write thought out responses to questions in this forum alone.  That was a cheap shot with no merit. 

TheEroica

I ain't reading all of that, but I'm just going to make one thing clear.

The Used Game Market has been here for Generations. I remember Cliffy B talking about getting the Highest Score for Super Mario Bros. way back in the day on Nintendo Power.

Did he ever lend that game to anyone? Did he borrow the game from someone? Did he ever rent games?

If he did then he should shut the frak up, because the Used Game Market has been here and has been one of the driving forces of Gaming. If it hadn't been for the Used Game Market then gaming probably wouldn't have been this big.

Used Gaming isn't the Enemy here.

If Developers are so upset that their Games aren't selling they should look into what they're putting into the game.

Taking Bulletstorm for example (because Cliffy B and what not.) No one gave that game 2 cents because of how Mindless and Crappy it was. Did they honestly expect people to pay $60 for a game that lasts probably for one Weekend?

Sorry that you made a game that no one cared about!

Of course it's not always the case there are other Game Companies that have died that honestly shouldn't have because the games they made were pretty good, but landed on Dates of really Popular games that overshadowed those titles and the games didn't pick up speed till after the fact those companies were closed down.

Developers should really take to understanding that People don't always want to Pre-Order a game and not every game has to be a Million Dollar Hit. Most of us got Bills to Pay, Rent that's past due, Groceries that need to be filling up our Fridges, other important things.

Not every book is a New York Times Best Seller.

Didn't read lol. Someone tell me what he said about Gamespot.percech

He does makes some good points but this is still asking too much of your consumer. Microsoft was asking us to put a lot of trust in them and they have done nothing to earn that trust. Price of games on Live are still high, custmers get nickled and dimed, etc.. 

I think the technology in the videogame industry advanced too quickly. Now we are spoiled and still demand AAA quality even though it might bankrupt a certain developer. Crappy situation for all...

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I actually agree with a lot of what CliffyB said. Honestly, I didn't even fully disagree with what MS was trying to do. It was their horrible delivery and conflicting information from their spokesmen that screwed everything up. They made no effort in actually conveying the benefits of their policies. Having an digital focused console similar to Steam is a great idea, and digital is the future whether people like it or not.jg4xchamp

Appealing to the fringe consumer is exactly why the console industry has been in decline for the last 5 years.