Cliffy B on XB1 DRM (Plus a jab at Gamespot....LOL)

That was actually well written. Hes tweets for the past week have been really bad and made him sound like an a*s. trasherhead

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....Great read.

timbers_WSU

He's right. Used games are not good for the industry, and it is essentially piracy.

He's just one cool cat and too cool for back of da school bus.

Anyhoo, make it back of the garbage truck and he's right on. :twisted:

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http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/53457606850/brutal-honest-thoughts-on-this-whole-debacle

I LOL'ed at the Gamespot jab....Great read.

StormyJoe

He's right. Used games are not good for the industry, and it is essentially piracy.

Not a good read. He just rehashes arguments that side makes over and over.LOXO7

The video link in the article says it all.

Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. Heil68

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

He also took a jab at idiots who still do the "M$". . truly. . he is a great man. I hate those kids, too.AncientDozer

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. StormyJoe

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. StormyJoe

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Not a good read. He just rehashes arguments that side makes over and over.StormyJoe

The video link in the article says it all.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. Heil68

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

Did you watch the video included in his post?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. Miroku32

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Not a good read. He just rehashes arguments that side makes over and over.LOXO7

The video link in the article says it all.

Are you trying to insinuate I don't know anything about economics?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. Heil68

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

StormyJoe

Did you watch the video included in his post?

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

cainetao11

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. Heil68

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

I think his "hatred" of Gamestop is spot on, the shit they are doing has over the years really fuked up videogame retail.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

cainetao11

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

heretrix

I think his "hatred" of Gamestop is spot on, the shit they are doing has over the years really fuked up videogame retail.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I completely sympathize with what he is trying to convey and I think it is probably the MOST intelligent piece written on the subject of DRM.

 

What I rebuke his argument with is the fact that no business should be guaranteed success.  The publishers are gambling big to get a big payoff rather than acting in a sustainable manner.  The gamers don't deserve the punishment for that.

 

This whole time, the subtle pointing of the finger at gamers for wanting bigger and better games belies the fact that gamers ARE buying games like Minecraft and all kinds of smaller games by the ton.  These publishers are waging war on each other and ballooning budgets based off of a false premise.  That is what has to stop.  Gamestop is just a convenient scapegoat when you're not willing to accept the problem is just bad thinking within the industry.

no-scope-AK47

It's not our fault that games started catering to the "Y Cant Metroid crawl?" generation.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Yea, lets not focus on making games worth buying or anything dumb like that or trying to reduce costs in any way shape or form, or giving us games that nobody asked for, tacked on mulit player ect ect..yea,lets focus on used games instead because non of that other stuff matters. Then there is " I remember seeing pictures of Romeros Ferrari as a teenager and it MOTIVATED me to make my own kick ass games. " Can you buy a Ferrari with your current job? I cant. Heil68

I think his "hatred" of Gamestop is spot on, the shit they are doing has over the years really fuked up videogame retail.

You guys will be here in Oct? Sweet. ComicCon is in my neck of the woods, Sounds good.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I hear what you're saying but that's an incredibly tough target to hit. The gaming public, ESPECIALLY the vocal minority on the net is incredibly jaded, so one man's definition of "a game worth buying" is another man's trash. (See COD or almost anything really).

I think his "hatred" of Gamestop is spot on, the shit they are doing has over the years really fuked up videogame retail.

heretrix

You guys will be here in Oct? Sweet. ComicCon is in my neck of the woods, Sounds good.

Whether people like it or not, the gamers interests and Gamestop's interests are one in the same. 

Shewgenja

"And if you refer to Microsoft as M$, wow, youre totally blowing my mind man. How creative of you."

LOL.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I completely sympathize with what he is trying to convey and I think it is probably the MOST intelligent piece written on the subject of DRM.

 

What I rebuke his argument with is the fact that no business should be guaranteed success.  The publishers are gambling big to get a big payoff rather than acting in a sustainable manner.  The gamers don't deserve the punishment for that.

 

This whole time, the subtle pointing of the finger at gamers for wanting bigger and better games belies the fact that gamers ARE buying games like Minecraft and all kinds of smaller games by the ton.  These publishers are waging war on each other and ballooning budgets based off of a false premise.  That is what has to stop.  Gamestop is just a convenient scapegoat when you're not willing to accept the problem is just bad thinking within the industry.

Shewgenja

It's not our fault that games started catering to the "Y Cant Metroid crawl?" generation.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Yea, lets not focus on making games worth buying or anything dumb like that or trying to reduce costs in any way shape or form, or giving us games that nobody asked for, tacked on mulit player ect ect..yea,lets focus on used games instead because non of that other stuff matters. Then there is " I remember seeing pictures of Romeros Ferrari as a teenager and it MOTIVATED me to make my own kick ass games. " Can you buy a Ferrari with your current job? I cant. Heil68

Did you watch the video included in his post?

Yes, but game prices have not changed in almost 10 years; while the cost to develop games has gone up considerably. Again, we are not talking Call Of Duty here. Most games do not sell millions of copies, despite how good they may be (Psychonauts, Kingdoms of Amalur, etc).

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Did you watch the video included in his post?

StormyJoe

Yes, but game prices have not changed in almost 10 years; while the cost to develop games has gone up considerably. Again, we are not talking Call Of Duty here. Most games do not sell millions of copies, despite how good they may be (Psychonauts, Kingdoms of Amalur, etc).

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

 

Retailers and publishers have the full right not to except returns or trade-ins.

 

How do you not know this? Do you live in Europe or something?

Jebus213

who's saying anything about retailers or publishers? I must be able to sell it on ebay or somethin. I bought it, I must be able to do with it w/e I want. simple

Sure you can sell on Ebay or Amazon. Nobody is keeping you from doing that. It just won't let the person who's buying it play the game.

Not sure if serious or just stupid...

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. StormyJoe

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

Oh, cry me a river. What about those poor industry workers that built cars and end up going under because of the mean used cars sellers?

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Whether people like it or not, the gamers interests and Gamestop's interests are one in the same. 

heretrix

CliffyB wants attention.narutosup

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Whether people like it or not, the gamers interests and Gamestop's interests are one in the same. 

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="narutosup"]CliffyB wants attention.donalbane

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Poor Cliffy, I'm sure being am multi millionaire is tough goings these days. Vatusus

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

Oh, cry me a river. What about those poor industry workers that built cars and end up going under because of the mean used cars sellers?

No the same thing..

1. When you buy a used car, it is of less value than a new car. There are incentives to buying new (warrant, no miles, car is show-room perfect, lease options)
2. The manufacturer gets residual income of the parts of the car as they wear out.

Used games, on the other hand, off no "lesser value" than new games. No matter how many times you play Uncharted 3, it plays the same as the day you bought it. The only difference is that the used game is cheaper.

Although I think he's a jerk, and a has-been, he makes perfect sense. I would have liked to see MS keep their DRM policies. They would have started out slow but eventually they would have caught up. I was going to get a PS4 at launch and then an Xbone after a price cut in a couple of years, but now there's no need to do that. These systems are offering the status quo with only a graphical upgrade. I won't say that games would have been cheaper because I do know that MS are some greedy sumbitches* but I would have liked to see how well they implement those policies and change the future of retail and possibly gaming.

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

It's not about him - it's about all the dev studios that make quality titles, but end up going under because of companies like GameStop.

StormyJoe

Oh, cry me a river. What about those poor industry workers that built cars and end up going under because of the mean used cars sellers?

No the same thing..

1. When you buy a used car, it is of less value than a new car. There are incentives to buying new (warrant, no miles, car is show-room perfect, lease options)
2. The manufacturer gets residual income of the parts of the car as they wear out.

Used games, on the other hand, off no "lesser value" than new games. No matter how many times you play Uncharted 3, it plays the same as the day you bought it. The only difference is that the used game is cheaper.

He's kind of an ego maniac, but I totally agree with gaming going digital, and used games being bad for the videogame industry.

Although I totally disagree with mobile gaming being the future.  Angry birds?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  F*ck mobile gaming.

He's kind of an ego maniac, but I totally agree with gaming going digital, and used games being bad for the videogame industry.

 

Although I totally disagree with mobile gaming being the future.  Angry birds?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  F*ck mobile gaming.

 

GOGOGOGURT

I don't get the debate. Used games have been around forever, since gaming's inception. Developers and publishers were able to make money and profit despite the after market (which every industry does). But now used games and stores that sell them are the problem?

No. That means the developers and publishers don't have enough compelling software to support their development costs.

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[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

who's saying anything about retailers or publishers? I must be able to sell it on ebay or somethin. I bought it, I must be able to do with it w/e I want. simple

Vatusus

Sure you can sell on Ebay or Amazon. Nobody is keeping you from doing that. It just won't let the person who's buying it play the game.

Not sure if serious or just stupid...

How is that stupid? I can sell my copy of BF3 on Ebay. The idiot who buys it just can't play it without my Origin account unless he has a CD key of his own. :P