Cliffy B - "360 Not Maxxed Out"

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Uhm PC games are on DVDs :?

delta3074

The 360 uses 3DC texture compression it can uncompress texture files just as well as the PC can from disc the only thing installing games to any HDD does is optimise load times for said textures, the only real difference between DVD 9 on 360 and PC is space but this has been adressed with the new disc format the 360 uses which means the disc can hold the same 8gb amount of Data that PC dvd's hold

The 3DC texture compression method compresses the files to begin with and they are and they are loaded directly into 360 memory while still in a compressed format. The GPU can access them directly in compressed format, and They are simply decompressed in real-time on the gpu. Which is why in many games that push the consoles get that texture loading in game. 3DC is not the best solution but its the only solution because how resourced limited the 360 is.

lol at all the people on here basically calling cliffy B a liar, how many of you are game developers? how many of you have actually developed a game on the 360? none of you, i will take his word as a developer over all the people on her who think they know better but really don't, getting a bit sick of the armchair developers in this forum,loldelta3074

[QUOTE="Santesyu"] I think Cliffy B has the possibility of being correct. Gears of war 3 does look nice compared to other titles out there.. I think the reasons why we really aren't seeing is because exclusives are so low these days.Lucianu

You can cut a lot of corners to add more to the code, but that means they would also make more sacrificies to be at a stable framerate. A game could be more advanced in some ways than Gear of War 3 at 10 frames per second and a resolution such as Alan Wake's. But that's up to the devs, they have a choice if they want to take advantage of the hardware or not, and it also depends of their experience with the hardware at hand.

It's funny how Gears 3 has no AA but still looks better than anything else on consoles. Who knew?

http://www.lensoftruth.com/theres-still-more-power-left-in-the-xbox-360-says-cliffy-b/

"I think if we bring out any more products on the 360 depending on life cycle, we'll be able to squeeze more water from that stone". That's why Gears 3 have zero AA, right?

rich-sac

Cliffy is smoking some good stuff.

I would believe you, but you posted a link to lens of noobs, the DUMBEST game related site on the internet. I can't take this seriously....

But I agree that current systems arn't maxed out yet, espicially the PS3 :P

[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

[QUOTE="rich-sac"] Epic tested out FXAA and it is not in the Final build. Need I say more? It Blurs the image to much and causes flickering, and Gears games have always been about sharp, non aliasing thus they did not incorporate FXAA. end of story. If you like FXAA so much, go play deus ex and driverrich-sac

Dang, I didn't know you were part of the Gears of war 3 development team. Alright, I'll take your word for it, because obviously you're a developer for Gears of war 3.

I mean, it's perfectly normal for jags to dissapear without the inclusion of A.A.

[QUOTE="15strong"]

I agree. Current gen consoles can be improved upon.

ChubbyGuy40

It's so far into diminishing returns that any improvements are hardly noticable and cost more than they're worth.

@TC Gears 3 has zero AA? Pretty sure it's using FXAA.

:lol: at ppl who listen to developers saying "not maxed out" 6 years into this gen :lol: :lol: :lol:silversix_

It's been 5 years and developers still can't push consoles to their limits??? What the hell are they waiting on then?

They can't max out six year old tech? I bet it is because it would take some serious technical and optimizational wizardry to do so.

At the end of the day, better hardware leads to better results than nigh on impossible wizardy feats. They may be able to squeeze more out of the consoles, but doing so would be more expensive, more time consuming, and require wizards. Then diminishing returns may take its toll.

If people want better console graphics, then release the 'next-gen' consoles with hardware that doesn't suck.

They can't max out six year old tech? I bet it is because it would take some serious technical and optimizational wizardry to do so.

At the end of the day, better hardware leads to better results than nigh on impossible wizardy feats. They may be able to squeeze more out of the consoles, but doing so would be more expensive, more time consuming, and require wizards. Then diminishing returns may take its toll.

If people want better console graphics, then release the 'next-gen' consoles with hardware that doesn't suck.

LORD_BLACKGULT

The problem Cliffy is having is programming a game on a system with little ram and on a media that only holds about 650MB of data. He'd have a much easier time doing this for the PS3 that at least has blu-ray as a media option.

I agree. Current gen consoles can be improved upon.

15strong

[QUOTE="silversix_"]:lol: at ppl who listen to developers saying "not maxed out" 6 years into this gen :lol: :lol: :lol:sethman410

seriously how does he not see this? idk how they do it but they might be right and it could have a lil more juice in it

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="silversix_"]:lol: at ppl who listen to developers saying "not maxed out" 6 years into this gen :lol: :lol: :lol:johnnyblazed88

seriously how does he not see this? idk how they do it but they might be right and it could have a lil more juice in it

i agree

on a media that only holds about 650MB of data. Johnny_Rock

[QUOTE="15strong"]

I agree. Current gen consoles can be improved upon.

monkeysmoke

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]and Toriyama said GT isnt canon

lowkey254

He never said that.

Wow what did I start with this Dragon Ball reference LOL.

[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

[QUOTE="rich-sac"]

if you'd actually read the Digitalfoundry link I posted above ^, you'd know for sure that Gears 3 have ZERO AA, yes Retail Final Build. bullshots are bullshots

rich-sac

Right, because there blatent words with no evidence what so ever prove so. Especially when there not developers for the game.

Regardless, I have pictures; and you can clearly see the improvement. Do you honestly think those are bull shots?

hahahha so you trust some random picture posted on the web, but you dont trust Digitalfoundry? FAIL

Gears 3 looks smoother than any Gears before it, heck it looks smoother than Uncharted 2 and almost as smooth as God of War 3, so whatever method (be it AA or otherwise) they're using is working and at the end, it's the end that matters, not the means to the end. Lest we forget KZ2 was using a horrible AA method worse than 2xMSAA and it still looked awesome and better than most other games using 2xMSAA or even 4xMSAA. If you read on, that same article you posted acknowledges the incredible achievement that is Gears 3 over its predecessors technically.

It's been 5 years and developers still can't push consoles to their limits??? What the hell are they waiting on then?

commonfate

If that's the case then why didn't Epic max Gears 3 out?