COD4 dev blown away by PC piracy

Epic got a taste of market supremacy with Gears of War, it was only natural that they expected thier main franchise to do even better .............. but they were wrong, not only did it cripple its advantage in the PC community, the PS3 community isnt exactly the palce to make sales, and well ... by the time the 360 version is released ... im sure CoD4 / Halo 3 has already set in for most FPS gamers.Meu2k7

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]I honestly don't know what happened here. Forza_2

Maybe piracy hurts developers more than you think. Did you ever consider that for one second ?

Well...considering that 10 other games of the same type released each year are doing just fine I don't think piracy is a problem here. Of course piracy is always a problem, but piracy has always existed. You act like the only reason a game can flop in sales is piracy. Sometimes peeople just don't like a certain game.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Epic got a taste of market supremacy with Gears of War, it was only natural that they expected thier main franchise to do even better .............. but they were wrong, not only did it cripple its advantage in the PC community, the PS3 community isnt exactly the palce to make sales, and well ... by the time the 360 version is released ... im sure CoD4 / Halo 3 has already set in for most FPS gamers.Forza_2

they should have known consolizing their game will make it flop on PC, considering every other consolized game suffered the same fate. I guess they expected that whining about piracy will somehow make pc community overlook how UT3 really is.

they should have known consolizing their game will make it flop on PC AdrianWerner

You act like the only reason a game can flop in sales is piracy. AdrianWerner

they should have known consolizing their game will make it flop on PC, considering every other consolized game suffered the same fate. I guess they expected that whining about piracy will somehow make pc community overlook how UT3 really is.AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]You act like the only reason a game can flop in sales is piracy. Forza_2

Well...then I guess it's a russian rulete, ten games don't get pirated so badly and than BAM...one get bad luck and dies. So I guess devs should rather invest in ritual sacrifices too avoid bad karma instead of investing in anti-piracy measures, they would be more successful this way.

Of course nevermind that the other game by the same developer is the most profitable series SEGA Europe ever had, on any platform

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]they should have known consolizing their game will make it flop on PC, considering every other consolized game suffered the same fate. I guess they expected that whining about piracy will somehow make pc community overlook how UT3 really is.Forza_2

It's much slower. Running speed has been reduced , the same with jump heigh. Add to this the fact that the game itself is underwhelming (lack od maps and modes compared to UT04) and this game has been released shortly after QuakeWars, TF2 and CoD4. So not only UT fans didn't bother with it , but non-fans were also occupied with other games. it didn't even have the "OMG! the graphics" effect because of Crysis.So It's not really surprising it sold badly.

And there are not many people who play it even on cracked servers, so it's not like it would sell well without piracy. When a highly anticiuated MP-centric game sells worse than new Nancy Drew budget adventure game then it's obvious piracy isn't the main problem it had.

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

PS3_3DO

once pc gaming is donewhere do u think pirates r going to go next? consoles. its already starting to become widespred there already

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

PS3_3DO

yeah...just like FC:Instincts sold more than FC for PC....oh....wait.. :D

It's much slower. Running speed has been reduced , the same with jump heigh. Add to this the fact that the game itself is underwhelming (lack od maps and modes compared to UT04) AdrianWerner

I think it's the opposite. Running is faster than before. (Here, here, and here)

Also, several people from the UT2k4 community didn't like the floaty feel of UT2k4. So, as you can see, not everyone sees going back to UT99 more, as a negative like you do.

Edit: Almost forgot. UT3 is actually slower on consoles as well.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

Crusher89

once pc gaming is donewhere do u think pirates r going to go next? consoles. its already starting to become widespred there already

On the PS3 it isn't. Blu-Ray burners cost too much for the average hacker to buy one. MS has crack down on the hackers so it's harder to play on XBL without getting your console banned for life.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

AdrianWerner

yeah...just like FC:Instincts sold more than FC for PC....oh....wait.. :D

I played Far Cry for free! :D Guess what version Ubisoft made more money on? :D

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

PS3_3DO

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

soulsofblayck

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

Yeah but playing on XBL is difficult if you have a modded 360. Since the 360 doesn't have a standard HDD you can copy the game to the HDD meaning you have to burn a DVD. The consoles have piracy issues too but nowhere closeto PC gaming.

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

PS3_3DO

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

Yeah but playing on XBL is difficult if you have a modded 360. Since the 360 doesn't have a standard HDD you can copy the game to theHDD meaning you have to burn a DVD.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="soulsofblayck"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

anshul89

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

Yeah but playing on XBL is difficult if you have a modded 360. Since the 360 doesn't have a standard HDD you can copy the game to theHDD meaning you have to burn a DVD.

Still they have to buy a DVD disc and burn the game onto it. That takes time you know. Also if they do want to play Online MS can track them.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="soulsofblayck"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

anshul89

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

Yeah but playing on XBL is difficult if you have a modded 360. Since the 360 doesn't have a standard HDD you can copy the game to theHDD meaning you have to burn a DVD.

Agreed. I never play online games nor have a reason too.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="soulsofblayck"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

anshul89

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

Yeah but playing on XBL is difficult if you have a modded 360. Since the 360 doesn't have a standard HDD you can copy the game to theHDD meaning you have to burn a DVD.

Euhhh... according to speedtest.net Japan has the fastest overall internet.

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

The pirates and hackers are going to destroy PC gaming. Blame them Hermits for all your games coming to the Consoles. Far Cry 2 is going to make a lot more money on consoles then it's ever is on the PC.

PS3_3DO

Read my post. If PS3 gets a huge fanbase and becomes a success, the software sales will be great as most pirates will resort to actually buying the game. In terms of 360, it still isn't as simple as the DC but it's difficult enough for casuals to scratch their head over what to do. But in reality, it's simple.

Yeah but playing on XBL is difficult if you have a modded 360. Since the 360 doesn't have a standard HDD you can copy the game to the HDD meaning you have to burn a DVD. The consoles have piracy issues too but nowhere closeto PC gaming.

Burning a dual layer DVD isn't that big of a deal.

Euhhh... according to speedtest.net Japan has the fastest overall internet.

Bebi_vegeta

Still they have to buy a DVD disc and burn the game onto it. That takes time you know.

PS3_3DO

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Euhhh... according to speedtest.net Japan has the fastest overall internet.

anshul89

Asia overall has a connection of 2MB/s and North America 4,5Mb/s.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Euhhh... according to speedtest.net Japan has the fastest overall internet.

Bebi_vegeta

Asian overall has a connection of 2MB/s and North America 4,5Mb/s.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Still they have to buy a DVD disc and burn the game onto it. That takes time you know.

anshul89

haha awesome. Does ANYONE at all buy real 360 games where you live?

Can't developers ban the people that are playing with pirated copies? It shouldnt be too hard.SpinoRaptor

Maybe they actually deep down like piracy.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Still they have to buy a DVD disc and burn the game onto it. That takes time you know.

soulsofblayck

haha awesome. Does ANYONE at all buy real 360 games where you live?

I played Far Cry for free! :D Guess what version Ubisoft made more money on? :D

PS3_3DO

PC one obviously. .

Well if you download a PC game illegally, for example CoD4 you can't do any multiplayer which I think is half of the game, or even more considering how long single player lasts, but it's still sad that PC game developers are hesitant of making exclusive PC games now a days. One way which would make it harder would be making there games Steam only which although still cracked it requires a bit more work than just downloading a file. But then the issue is raised where not everyone can/does purchase products with a credit card.
Mystic_Legend

Its just the same as it was 3 years ago.

The PC exclusives lists still dwarfs every console, by such a huge amount

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on a another note, pre-owned console games are just as worse - actually i'd say worse - than pc piracy - as they are sold at all game retail stores, and are heavily promoted.

here's a question: how did they know which CD keys were pirated and why didn't they ban them?Hewkii

Isn't it obvious? Piracy - which has existed for years on PC, consoles, and handhelds - is now a convienent excuse that allows them to avoid saying the real reason games like UT3 sold poorly. The reality is that PC gamers are upset at UT3, moving to consoles changes the gameplay, which upset some longtime Unreal fans. Over on the console side, most console gamers were uninterested in the titles, where it plays out on consoles which already have many FPS titles (much like the PC).

But when you make a game that doesn't satisfy your core audience, and you're the CEO of a company, do you ever give the honest answer? Of course not - instead, much like Kane & Lynch, everything (and everyone) is to blame except their own damn game

Who in their right mind pays full price for what is basically a multiplayer game? The 6 hour long, repetitive and generic SP isn't worth a damn, can't really blame people pirating it when there are better MP games on the market. Maybe developers should come up with something new instead of pumping out the same crap over and over again.

Who in their right mind pays full price for what is basically a multiplayer game? The 6 hour long, repetitive and generic SP isn't worth a damn, can't really blame people pirating it when there are better MP games on the market. Maybe developers should come up with something new instead of pumping out the same crap over and over again.

tramp

I won't disagree that the campaign is crap, but how does that make pirating it right? If I think the cost of a car is a rip-off, does that give me the right to go and steal it instead? For that matter, if the SP isn't worth a damn, and there are better MP games on the market, why are they wasting time pirating it?

that's too bad.

they should make a fool proof way of protecting games.

Heydanbud92

it doesnt have to be fool proof. developers arent fools.

that's too bad.

they should make a fool proof way of protecting games.

Heydanbud92

As if that'll happen.

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

that's too bad.

they should make a fool proof way of protecting games.

OGTiago

As if that'll happen.

Its called key validation

Pirates have to play on cracked servers, which cannot be seen by activision, so all the servers that activions sees, are proper servers

+ witches proofs that PC gaming is going no where

[QUOTE="OGTiago"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

that's too bad.

they should make a fool proof way of protecting games.

skrat_01

As if that'll happen.

Its called key validation

dont make me laugh

both Steam and Bioshock where cracked in 2 weeks, same for Starforce

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="OGTiago"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

that's too bad.

they should make a fool proof way of protecting games.

whoody12

As if that'll happen.

Its called key validation

dont make me laugh

both Steam and Bioshock where cracked in 2 weeks, same for Starforce

I mean in Company of Heroes - Opposing Fronts sense

THere are always workarounds, but these workarounds simply miss out on the content - ala online games.

And no steam hasent been cracked, HL2, and the episodes were - to limited effect.

But.

Games like Galactic Cilivilisations had no copy protection and were a commercial sucesses. Hell even CoH1 didnt have disk protection, and was a commercial sucess

Anyway Pre Owned games can be considered worse than piracy anyway

[QUOTE="whoody12"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="OGTiago"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

that's too bad.

they should make a fool proof way of protecting games.

skrat_01

As if that'll happen.

Its called key validation

dont make me laugh

both Steam and Bioshock where cracked in 2 weeks, same for Starforce

I mean in Company of Heroes - Opposing Fronts sense

THere are always workarounds, but these workarounds simply miss out on the content - ala online games.

And no steam hasent been cracked, HL2, and the episodes were - to limited effect.

But.

Games like Galactic Cilivilisations had no copy protection and were a commercial sucesses. Hell even CoH1 didnt have disk protection, and was a commercial sucess

Anyway Pre Owned games can be considered worse than piracy anyway

CoH:OF is hacked easily ( althrough I own it legally, can provide proof), but protection isnt going to make a game a succes, CoH1 whas a succes becouse it was a good game

CoH:OF is hacked easily ( althrough I own it legally, can provide proof), but protection isnt going to make a game a succes, CoH1 whas a succes becouse it was a good game

whoody12

But yes copy protection doesent mean the game will be a commercial sucess, you are right - good games sell well, and that the way its always gone down with PC titles - any great title for that matter

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I played Far Cry for free! :D Guess what version Ubisoft made more money on? :D

AdrianWerner

PC one obviously. .

yeah sure it! :lol: