Compare 3DS current library to Vita's launch games

My impression of Sony is: MORE.

More features.

More modes.

Basically expanding on the foundation of the previous title.

Direct sequels are nice, I liked UC1 and UC2, especially since there was so much room to grow and UC2 nailed it, but I don't want an identical UC3 that quickly. Maybe if it was PS4 title in 2014 or something.

It's obvious that Sony is bad at handling an IP. They just can't break through 1st party wise.

You haven't played 3D Land if you think it's a home console experience.

It's a proper 3D handheld Mario and imo the best portable video game ever. You can see this in game design and level design. 3DL has very short levels that focus on pure platforming and are small in scope, while Galaxy is more big scale with lots of exploration elements (experimenting with gravity effects, secret areas, more open areas).

For example the comet coins are usually hidden in Galaxy 2 and are more about finding them whereas the ones in 3DL are easy to spot but harder to get.

They're very different games.

SuperFlakeman

^Yeah the Nintendrones can be quite agitatitng. My most anticipated game for 3DS currently happens to be MGS3D. Which is kinda sad, the rest of the games besides Mario 3D land and Mario Kart 7 (which I own) don't seem to excite me that much.

Vita has a great launch lineup, it's got alot of variety and quality that really shows of the Vita.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

The only thing that makes it a good handheld game is that it's a good game.

Cherokee_Jack

Then it should be a good game by console standards.

All things considered, a (however slightly) downgraded version of the same exact game you can play on a console is not good.

You may be right in that their place in the market is fading.

Even more simplistic games, as people suggest a handheld game must be to be a "handheld game" do nothing to alleviate that - as such simplicity can be fully replicated on iOS/Android.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]ResistanceSuperFlakeman

Just trying to paint a general picture don't get hung up on details.

Resistance 1 2 3

Killzone 1 2 3

I haven't played Resistance PSP for myself admittedly. How is it unique?

Sorry for pointing out that you were wrong...

Resistance PSP is in third person and heavily relies on lock-on. It actually works a lot better than other shooters on PSP, precisely because it doesn't just approximate a console shooter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmVszul2ED8

Vita does not have a single exluisve

So obviously any 3DS game is better

Also Zelda OOT could be a better game than all handheld games that have appeared until today in all platforms

And 3DS plays all DS games, all Zeldas and a infinite number of other quality titles and RPGs

Vita sadly does not have BC at all

loosingENDS

Honestly, I see so much BS in this thread.

I get it when people say they don't like the games that are on Vita. Fine, it's their own opinion, they are intitled to it. I just don't get it when some people claim the launch lineup is crap as a FACT.

People complaining the Vita only has "ports/remakes/console experiences", while at same time claiming the 3DS has none of that.... Seriously?

[quote="shinrabanshou"]

• Super Street Fighter IV 3D
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
• Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D
• Mario Kart 7

Desmonic

These are the 3DS top rated games here on GS.... and guess what? They are all one of the following: a)ports; b)remakes; c)console experiences.

Yet, behold the hiprocisy at it's damn finest, this is all good and fine when the 3DS does it. However the Vita gets bashed for having a console like Uncharted, console like Wipeout, ports of Rayman, UMvC3, etc...

Heck, some posters above are going to great lengths to justify that while the 3DS games are not ports/remakes/console experiences (when they are) the Vita games are only that.

Seriously just stop the BS. You guys are bashing the Vita for the exact same flaws you find on the 3DS.

I think it is merely that some of the games are merely ports that provide no additional content that makes it vastly different. I will agree that Uncharted cannot be thrown into this category but Rayman, Wipeout (incorporates many tracks from Wipeout Fury), and UMvC3 are blatant ports straight(ish) from the PS3. Despite this, I find that Rayman would be more preferable in a portable setting. I adjusted the list you made based on your "classifications". You are not going to find a console experience that is exactly like Super Mario 3D Land (Super Mario Galaxy plays nothing like SM3dLand). Even with the remakes that are on the 3DS, they are not at the very least ports of the game from their respective consoles. Metal Gear Solid and LoZ Oot have been remade and updated while including new features not found in the original versions. I think people are looking for games that can only be found on the Vita, that is the problem. Some of games that have been released for the Vita that have console counterparts have had features that obviously should have been kept, but instead have been stripped out in order to release them sooner. I have to be influenced that I will be able to take something special away from the Vita that I CANNOT get or already have from the Ps3 (which is what will justify a purchase from me). I hope you see what I am trying to say.

Nothing on the Vita interests me except Uncharted, but it seems mediocre. 3DS has some quality games, and like ANY system, it's taken time to develop. So, yeah, 3DS > Vita.

Vita has an amazing launch line up, it doesn't stack up tp the year old 3DS library, but they're more comparable than I ever would have thought possible.

Vita does not have a single exluisve

loosingENDS

Vita does not have a single exluisve

So obviously any 3DS game is better

Also Zelda OOT could be a better game than all handheld games that have appeared until today in all platforms

And 3DS plays all DS games, all Zeldas and a infinite number of other quality titles and RPGs

Vita sadly does not have BC at all

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Vita does not have a single exluisve

So obviously any 3DS game is better

Also Zelda OOT could be a better game than all handheld games that have appeared until today in all platforms

And 3DS plays all DS games, all Zeldas and a infinite number of other quality titles and RPGs

Vita sadly does not have BC at all

Comduter

As a fellow Handheld player i gotta say they both have bad libraries right now if you have both a Wii and a Ps3 at home they're really isn't any game that would probably make you want to get one yet. However give them time and they'll shine, i'm quite happy that both of them have different games. give them a year or 2 and those handhelds would be some peoples favorite system. Currently the DS is still miles over miles better.

As a fellow Handheld player i gotta say they both have bad libraries right now if you have both a Wii and a Ps3 at home they're really isn't any game that would probably make you want to get one yet. However give them time and they'll shine, i'm quite happy that both of them have different games. give them a year or 2 and those handhelds would be some peoples favorite system. Currently the DS is still miles over miles better.

Joedgabe

Vita has a lot of big names titles and multiplatform titles, but none that I care for.

3DS has a better library to me and as it should be ... it has a year head start.

Vita has a lot of big names titles and multiplatform titles, but none that I care for.

3DS has a better library to me and as it should be ... it has a year head start.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

As a fellow Handheld player i gotta say they both have bad libraries right now if you have both a Wii and a Ps3 at home they're really isn't any game that would probably make you want to get one yet. However give them time and they'll shine, i'm quite happy that both of them have different games. give them a year or 2 and those handhelds would be some peoples favorite system. Currently the DS is still miles over miles better.

SpruceCaboose

Well quite honestly, I would call it a bad lineup based on it's potential. I know both are new system and i'm waiting for developers to tap into that technology to make better games using what they have. So far the only one that really calls my attention is Gravity Rush, RE too but knowing how capcom has ruined the series my hopes for it are pretty low. and to be honest portable mario games usually just feel like a huge been there done that too many times... console ones are much better.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

As a fellow Handheld player i gotta say they both have bad libraries right now if you have both a Wii and a Ps3 at home they're really isn't any game that would probably make you want to get one yet. However give them time and they'll shine, i'm quite happy that both of them have different games. give them a year or 2 and those handhelds would be some peoples favorite system. Currently the DS is still miles over miles better.

Joedgabe

Well quite honestly, I would call it a bad lineup based on it's potential. I know both are new system and i'm waiting for developers to tap into that technology to make better games using what they have. So far the only one that really calls my attention is Gravity Rush, RE too but knowing how capcom has ruined the series my hopes for it are pretty low. and to be honest portable mario games usually just feel like a huge been there done that too many times... console ones are much better.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Vita has a lot of big names titles and multiplatform titles, but none that I care for.

3DS has a better library to me and as it should be ... it has a year head start.

SpruceCaboose

somethingSpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Vita has a lot of big names titles and multiplatform titles, but none that I care for.

3DS has a better library to me and as it should be ... it has a year head start.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]somethingCherokee_Jack

how long did it take for the 3DS to get 7 AAs on metacritic?

how long did it take for the 3DS to get 7 AAs on metacritic?

zarshack

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]somethingSpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

how long did it take for the 3DS to get 7 AAs on metacritic?

MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Honestly, I see so much BS in this thread.

I get it when people say they don't like the games that are on Vita. Fine, it's their own opinion, they are intitled to it. I just don't get it when some people claim the launch lineup is crap as a FACT.

People complaining the Vita only has "ports/remakes/console experiences", while at same time claiming the 3DS has none of that.... Seriously?

[quote="shinrabanshou"]

• Super Street Fighter IV 3D
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
• Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D
• Mario Kart 7

Desmonic

These are the 3DS top rated games here on GS.... and guess what? They are all one of the following: a)ports; b)remakes; c)console experiences.

Yet, behold the hiprocisy at it's damn finest, this is all good and fine when the 3DS does it. However the Vita gets bashed for having a console like Uncharted, console like Wipeout, ports of Rayman, UMvC3, etc...

Heck, some posters above are going to great lengths to justify that while the 3DS games are not ports/remakes/console experiences (when they are) the Vita games are only that.

Seriously just stop the BS. You guys are bashing the Vita for the exact same flaws you find on the 3DS.

I think it is merely that some of the games are merely ports that provide no additional content that makes it vastly different. I will agree that Uncharted cannot be thrown into this category but Rayman, Wipeout (incorporates many tracks from Wipeout Fury), and UMvC3 are blatant ports straight(ish) from the PS3. Despite this, I find that Rayman would be more preferable in a portable setting. I adjusted the list you made based on your "classifications". You are not going to find a console experience that is exactly like Super Mario 3D Land (Super Mario Galaxy plays nothing like SM3dLand). Even with the remakes that are on the 3DS, they are not at the very least ports of the game from their respective consoles. Metal Gear Solid and LoZ Oot have been remade and updated while including new features not found in the original versions. I think people are looking for games that can only be found on the Vita, that is the problem. Some of games that have been released for the Vita that have console counterparts have had features that obviously should have been kept, but instead have been stripped out in order to release them sooner. I have to be influenced that I will be able to take something special away from the Vita that I CANNOT get or already have from the Ps3 (which is what will justify a purchase from me). I hope you see what I am trying to say.

Fine, even if we don't count Mario 3D Land as a console like experience, OoT is still a remake, SSFV is a port and Mario Kart 7 is a console like experience ( actually the term I was looking to use in my original post was "inferior console like" experience but whatever). And the other top rated 3DS games on that list were also ports/remakes/console like experiences. No one can really claim that the 3DS has one top game that you can't really find somewhere else, just like the Vita.

Meanwhile in Vita land Wipeout is 30fps rather play 1080p 60fps smoothness on the PS3 Fury tracks. Uncharted is worse than any PS3 Uncharted game.

Vita games just seem to be inferior in some way compared to the console counterparts.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

how long did it take for the 3DS to get 7 AAs on metacritic?

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

how long did it take for the 3DS to get 7 AAs on metacritic?

MFDOOM1983

The PSV currently has 5 AA from its launch line-up so far, with quite a few games left for review.

They could theoretically end up with the same number of AA titles in the near term. o.O

But there's more in development for 3DS.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] 8 months

zarshack

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Thats about 1 a month, which isn't too shabby, considering. SpruceCaboose

I thought you were long gone?

Who cares? Different strokes for different folks

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

I think it is merely that some of the games are merely ports that provide no additional content that makes it vastly different. I will agree that Uncharted cannot be thrown into this category but Rayman, Wipeout (incorporates many tracks from Wipeout Fury), and UMvC3 are blatant ports straight(ish) from the PS3. Despite this, I find that Rayman would be more preferable in a portable setting. I adjusted the list you made based on your "classifications". You are not going to find a console experience that is exactly like Super Mario 3D Land (Super Mario Galaxy plays nothing like SM3dLand). Even with the remakes that are on the 3DS, they are not at the very least ports of the game from their respective consoles. Metal Gear Solid and LoZ Oot have been remade and updated while including new features not found in the original versions. I think people are looking for games that can only be found on the Vita, that is the problem. Some of games that have been released for the Vita that have console counterparts have had features that obviously should have been kept, but instead have been stripped out in order to release them sooner. I have to be influenced that I will be able to take something special away from the Vita that I CANNOT get or already have from the Ps3 (which is what will justify a purchase from me). I hope you see what I am trying to say.

SaltyMeatballs

Fine, even if we don't count Mario 3D Land as a console like experience, OoT is still a remake, SSFV is a port and Mario Kart 7 is a console like experience ( actually the term I was looking to use in my original post was "inferior console like" experience but whatever). And the other top rated 3DS games on that list were also ports/remakes/console like experiences. No one can really claim that the 3DS has one top game that you can't really find somewhere else, just like the Vita.

Meanwhile in Vita land Wipeout is 30fps rather play 1080p 60fps smoothness on the PS3 Fury tracks. Uncharted is worse than any PS3 Uncharted game.

Vita games just seem to be inferior in some way compared to the console counterparts.

I thought you were long gone?

Who cares? Different strokes for different folks

FireEmblem_Man

Yet, the point of handhelds is essentially portability.

You may be right in that their place in the market is fading.

Even more simplistic games, as people suggest a handheld game must be to be a "handheld game" do nothing to alleviate that - as such simplicity can be fully replicated on iOS/Android.

shinrabanshou

Handhelds don't have to begin and end with portability. That's the old, pre-iPhone thinking.

People play handhelds at home too, and Nintendo and Sony need to use that to their advantage if they want to stay in the game. I don't know how you market a handheld as being some sort of alternative to a console, but that's for them to figure out. Point is, something draws people to handhelds even when they have other options, and it's not ports. It's original games that can't be played on consoles. If they have to be spin-offs of console franchises, so be it, but the more the games make use of the unique attributes of their platforms, the better handheld games they are.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Yet, the point of handhelds is essentially portability.

You may be right in that their place in the market is fading.

Even more simplistic games, as people suggest a handheld game must be to be a "handheld game" do nothing to alleviate that - as such simplicity can be fully replicated on iOS/Android.

Cherokee_Jack

Handhelds don't have to begin and end with portability. That's the old, pre-iPhone thinking.

People play handhelds at home too, and Nintendo and Sony need to use that to their advantage if they want to stay in the game. I don't know how you market a handheld as being some sort of alternative to a console, but that's for them to figure out. Point is, something draws people to handhelds even when they have other options, and it's not ports. It's original games that can't be played on consoles. If they have to be spin-offs of console franchises, so be it, but the more the games make use of the unique attributes of their platforms, the better handheld games they are.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Yet, the point of handhelds is essentially portability.

You may be right in that their place in the market is fading.

Even more simplistic games, as people suggest a handheld game must be to be a "handheld game" do nothing to alleviate that - as such simplicity can be fully replicated on iOS/Android.

SpruceCaboose

Handhelds don't have to begin and end with portability. That's the old, pre-iPhone thinking.

People play handhelds at home too, and Nintendo and Sony need to use that to their advantage if they want to stay in the game. I don't know how you market a handheld as being some sort of alternative to a console, but that's for them to figure out. Point is, something draws people to handhelds even when they have other options, and it's not ports. It's original games that can't be played on consoles. If they have to be spin-offs of console franchises, so be it, but the more the games make use of the unique attributes of their platforms, the better handheld games they are.

All that horsepower doesn't mean jack if you only have 5 minutes to kill, though. iOS games are perfectly tuned for short-burst gameplay, so as something you carry around day to day, an iOS device will always beat a handheld. (considering also that smart devices are packed with other utility, especially if you have 3G)

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

Wipeout (incorporates many tracks from Wipeout Fury)

Slashkice

Four out of fourteen tracks is many now? I know that kind of ruins the whole "it's the same as the PS3 version" tirade, but c'mon now. At least get the facts straight.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Always gonna disagree here, console games are games designed with consoles in mind. Some console games translate well to handhelds like Zelda and Street fighter, some honestly just don't though. RE:R was designed to be a handheld game and uses that style with the episodic style layout. Nothing wrong with wanting console games on a handheld but its not why I persnally get them and that;s why the Vita (even 3DS to some extent) aren't very appealing to me.

shinrabanshou

The limitations of a handheld in the past, however, in no way reflect the limitations of a handheld today.

IMO:

The only thing that makes it a handheld game is that it's on a handheld.

The only thing that makes it a good handheld game is that it's a good game.

I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion. For me, there should be specific goals that are implemented into handheld games that aren't as important for console games. The best part about handhelds imo is the portability and being able to do things in chunks and gaining ground too. Some of that comes naturally with being on a handheld, some of it is intentional. I personally have no interest to play uncharted on a handheld nor RE until I read impressions of how it was tailored to the system. My thought is if it can be done infinitely better on a console, that's probably where it should be. Something like Professor Layton, or Monster Hunter, The World Ends With You, Sonic Rush etc are games that too me make sense on handhelds, hey lend perfectly to it. Some FPS or Uncharted won't ever do it for me frankly.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] All that horsepower doesn't mean jack if you only have 5 minutes to kill, though. iOS games are perfectly tuned for short-burst gameplay, so as something you carry around day to day, an iOS device will always beat a handheld. SpruceCaboose

True, but how often do people really travel, besides business types?

The Nintendogs/Brain Training audience is still around, and I imagine they mostly sit at home with their handhelds. The existence of the DSi XL (and its senior-focused marketing) proves that, I think.