Compare and Contrast. Round 1 : Super Mario World VS LittleBigPlanet *56K*

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="aflakian"]

The poll asks what is the all-around better game, not which has better platforming mechanics.
Regarding the former, LBP should be winning by a landslide.

aflakian

So even though the gameplay sucks in comparison, it's overall a better game?

Bwahahaha!

It seems you were hinting at it...

"not which has better platforming mechanics."

It's only a fact that LBP has odd floaty platforming, and it also has a troublesome 3-plane platforming setup.

You can't be an overall better game when your main mechanic is so jacked up.

[QUOTE="aflakian"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

So even though the gameplay sucks in comparison, it's overall a better game?

Bwahahaha!

BioShockOwnz

It seems you were hinting at it...

"not which has better platforming mechanics."

It's only a fact that LBP has odd floaty platforming, and it also has a troublesome 3-plane platforming setup.

You can't be an overall better game when your main mechanic is so jacked up.

this one was a no brainer for me. lbp is good fun, but smw trumps it 100 times over

I still don't see how you put the two together. Me implying that something may not be as good as another thing doesn't automatically mean the other thing sucks by comparison.

Anyways, this thread has sparked my curiousity. I need to dig up my old SNES.

aflakian

Playing SMW now would not be wise based on this thread. You will enter with an expectation that it has to be amazing and you will feel disappointment almost certainly playing through it if this thread is your reasoning. Its threads like these that get the perception that old games are praised on nothing but nostalgia. Not really, its more like new games are overhyped and praised for stuff old games do much better (granted sometimes in more limited ways) and then the nostalgic fanboys don't know why they are even praising something while the people who do know get outshouted.

THEN : Super Mario World

NOW : Little Big Planet

Forgot what the polls say since nintendo always win by fanbase and nostalgia.

g0ddyX

Wow, this is the first time I've actually been disgusted by a SW poll. There is not a single reason LBP should be considered a better game than SMW. The fact that 42+ people voted for LBP makes me wonder why I even give a slightdamn about reviews or the opinion of most. It also makes me truely question who the hell would think this and what possible reasoning would be used.This poll is ridiculous.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Seriously. I feel dirty now.

ActicEdge

I do as well. This is actually offensive to me. I still am trying to figure out what LBP did to deserve AAA. Some of the best platformers I have ever played struggle to score AA with me and this mediocore platformer is able to score this high?

i didnt know people liked LBP that much :shock:

[QUOTE="Troqe"]

LittleBigPlanet is obviously better in every way, yes Super Mario World was amazing for it's time but there is nothing that is still amazing about it today.

ogvampire

how can it be better in 'every way' when the platforming is sloppy?

Is it sloppy? I never noticed that.

Christ, people and nostalgia. Here's a question for you, if Super Mario World was released now would it have scored a 9? Would people even remotely consider it better than LittleBigPlanet? Frankly, this argument is a little bit unfair.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Troqe"]

LittleBigPlanet is obviously better in every way, yes Super Mario World was amazing for it's time but there is nothing that is still amazing about it today.

how can it be better in 'every way' when the platforming is sloppy?

Is it sloppy? I never noticed that.

Christ, people and nostalgia.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Troqe"]

LittleBigPlanet is obviously better in every way, yes Super Mario World was amazing for it's time but there is nothing that is still amazing about it today.

Troqe

how can it be better in 'every way' when the platforming is sloppy?

Is it sloppy? I never noticed that.

Christ, people and nostalgia. Here's a question for you, if Super Mario World was released now would it have scored a 9? Would people even remotely consider it better than LittleBigPlanet? Frankly, this argument is a little bit unfair.

SMW could be released tomorrow and it would stomp all over LBP as a game. This argument however is stupid. SMW was releasded more than 15 years ago, its not going to be able to keep up with todays technical standards and because of that its score will fall. As far as being a game goes though SMW is one of the finest. Also, I couldn't give two ****s about what the gaming media thinks, they are all hype driven action junkies who don't know a damn about what makes the platforming genre great. How the hell else did LBP score so high when it is fundamentally flawed in its most important aspect? (let me guess, I'm gonna get a bull **** answer about how its fun)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"] [QUOTE="ActicEdge"] [QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Seriously. I feel dirty now.

NAPK1NS

I do as well. This is actually offensive to me. I still am trying to figure out what LBP did to deserve AAA. Some of the best platformers I have ever played struggle to score AA with me and this mediocore platformer is able to score this high?

I honestly don't give a damn about the bolded, that's irrelevant. The part where you won't say LBP's platforming is better than Mario's is the part where LBP's overatedness and hype kicks in. You can't be a better game than SMW and a better platformer if you can't beat it at the most important aspect to the platforming genre. When you put together a competent reason why LBP is BETTER and not why you like it more or enjoy it more, come back and debate.

There is such a thing as objective comparison, as hard as it is to do in a median like games, it can be accomplished and that is the only way I'll debate this with you. I'm not interested in opinions of fun.

[QUOTE="Troqe"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

how can it be better in 'every way' when the platforming is sloppy?

ActicEdge

Is it sloppy? I never noticed that.

Christ, people and nostalgia. Here's a question for you, if Super Mario World was released now would it have scored a 9? Would people even remotely consider it better than LittleBigPlanet? Frankly, this argument is a little bit unfair.

SMW could be released tomorrow and it would stomp all over LBP as a game. This argument however is stupid. SMW was releasded more than 15 years ago, its not going to be able to keep up with todays technical standards and because of that its score will fall. As far as being a game goes though SMW is one of the finest. Also, I couldn't give two ****s about what the gaming media thinks, they are all hype driven action junkies who don't know a damn about what makes the platforming genre great. How the hell else did LBP score so high when it is fundamentally flawed in its most important aspect?

Indeed. Braid is a AAA game and it's much closer to a 2D Mario than a LBP. And it also has better platforming than LBP.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Troqe"]

Is it sloppy? I never noticed that.

Christ, people and nostalgia. Here's a question for you, if Super Mario World was released now would it have scored a 9? Would people even remotely consider it better than LittleBigPlanet? Frankly, this argument is a little bit unfair.

BioShockOwnz

SMW could be released tomorrow and it would stomp all over LBP as a game. This argument however is stupid. SMW was releasded more than 15 years ago, its not going to be able to keep up with todays technical standards and because of that its score will fall. As far as being a game goes though SMW is one of the finest. Also, I couldn't give two ****s about what the gaming media thinks, they are all hype driven action junkies who don't know a damn about what makes the platforming genre great. How the hell else did LBP score so high when it is fundamentally flawed in its most important aspect?

Indeed. Braid is a AAA game and it's much closer to a 2D Mario than a LBP. And it also has better platforming than LBP.

I haven't played braid. I wanna but I lack a 360 :(

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Troqe"]

LittleBigPlanet is obviously better in every way, yes Super Mario World was amazing for it's time but there is nothing that is still amazing about it today.

Troqe

how can it be better in 'every way' when the platforming is sloppy?

Is it sloppy? I never noticed that.

Christ, people and nostalgia. Here's a question for you, if Super Mario World was released now would it have scored a 9? Would people even remotely consider it better than LittleBigPlanet? Frankly, this argument is a little bit unfair.

yes easily

Here's a question for you, if Super Mario World was released now would it have scored a 9? Would people even remotely consider it better than LittleBigPlanet? Frankly, this argument is a little bit unfair.

Troqe

I bet in 20 years when LBP 5 or something comes out and some new really special platformer comes into existence people will be like "Are you kidding? LBP5 owns that crap"munu9

No one will even know what LBP is.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

SMW could be released tomorrow and it would stomp all over LBP as a game. This argument however is stupid. SMW was releasded more than 15 years ago, its not going to be able to keep up with todays technical standards and because of that its score will fall. As far as being a game goes though SMW is one of the finest. Also, I couldn't give two ****s about what the gaming media thinks, they are all hype driven action junkies who don't know a damn about what makes the platforming genre great. How the hell else did LBP score so high when it is fundamentally flawed in its most important aspect?

ActicEdge

Indeed. Braid is a AAA game and it's much closer to a 2D Mario than a LBP. And it also has better platforming than LBP.

I haven't played braid. I wanna but I lack a 360 :(

LittleBigPlanet; nostalgia should not confuse the decision in which game is superior.

LittleBigPlanet; nostalgia should not confuse the decision in which game is superior.

samuraiguns

Nostlagia plays no deciding factor. LBP still can't touch a game from 1991. SMB3 even plays better. Hell, SMB does, too.

LittleBigPlanet; nostalgia should not confuse the decision in which game is superior.

samuraiguns

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

LittleBigPlanet; nostalgia should not confuse the decision in which game is superior.

BioShockOwnz

Nostlagia plays no deciding factor. LBP still can't touch a game from 1991. SMB3 even plays better. Hell, SMB does, too.

PC/Mac is always an option. The sys. requirements are extremely low.

aflakian

Hmm, maybe I'll check it out then. I really want to play it but my comp is crap.

nostalgia? lol

SMW is just much better

nostalgia? lol

SMW is just much better

johnnyblazed88

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

LittleBigPlanet; nostalgia should not confuse the decision in which game is superior.

samuraiguns

Nostlagia plays no deciding factor. LBP still can't touch a game from 1991. SMB3 even plays better. Hell, SMB does, too.

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

nostalgia? lol

SMW is just much better

samuraiguns

You explain why LBP is better too. You can't disregard or ask for an opinion without providing your own too.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

LittleBigPlanet; nostalgia should not confuse the decision in which game is superior.

samuraiguns

Nostlagia plays no deciding factor. LBP still can't touch a game from 1991. SMB3 even plays better. Hell, SMB does, too.

Still, it has absolutely nothing to do with nostalgia whatsoever. It's a fact that the platforming in SMW is far superior. Everything else is subjective. Seeing that the main ingredient in LBP's gameplay is so stank, then it shouldn't even be able to compete, and judging by the poll, it isn't.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Nostlagia plays no deciding factor. LBP still can't touch a game from 1991. SMB3 even plays better. Hell, SMB does, too.

ActicEdge

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"] I think they are, but subconsiously, because some of the posts i see make it sound as if LittleBigPlanet was utter trash and should not be compared to the CLASSIC that is Mario and all its spawns; nostalgia.samuraiguns

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

So gameplay doesn't make a better game? That's the main freaking ingredient to making a successful game. All the customization and crap, that's all bells and whistles. It doesn't make a game better.

I think they are, but subconsiously, because some of the posts i see make it sound as if LittleBigPlanet was utter trash and should not be compared to the CLASSIC that is Mario and all its spawns; nostalgia.samuraiguns

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"] I think they are, but subconsiously, because some of the posts i see make it sound as if LittleBigPlanet was utter trash and should not be compared to the CLASSIC that is Mario and all its spawns; nostalgia.samuraiguns

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

Both games fall into a specific genre though and you judge how good the game is by the standards of that genre. Otherwise you are not doing any worthwhile comparison. LBP will have better graphics, sound and physics, that doesn't make it better overall. Not by the standards of the genre or even of gaming period. You need to provide a better argument than that.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

nostalgia? lol

SMW is just much better

ActicEdge

You explain why LBP is better too. You can't disregard or ask for an opinion without providing your own too.

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

beast667

I disagree because at the end of the day I'm not staring at the levels for looks or creativity, its how they playand thanks to the crippled platforming mechanic, they will all play subpar regardless of how well they are designed. This is simply the way it is.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sorry but without explaining why LBP is better all I see is fanboyism. When ever we get to this point and I end up destroying the argument of the praiser, they run off and never respond. Why is LBP better, I have no nostalgia, I play many of these old games often, the platformers are often times at their core better designed period.

ActicEdge

Both games fall into a specific genre though and you judge how good the game is by the standards of that genre. Otherwise you are not doing any worthwhile comparison. LBP will have better graphics, sound and physics, that doesn't make it better overall. Not by the standards of the genre or even of gaming period. You need to provide a better argument than that.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"] why is this so?samuraiguns

You explain why LBP is better too. You can't disregard or ask for an opinion without providing your own too.

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

The things you stated do not make it better. Floaty physics are not a plus in a platforming designed the way LBP is. Take a look at Lost Winds if you want to see a floaty physics platformer designed well. Imagination is great, it doesn't make it better though, it makes you e able to create cool stuff but that's it. Its not the ingredidiant to a better platformer, creation tools are irrelevant. Fun = opinioon, not interested in that. Intriguing level design is nice, if those levels are designed around a gimped platforming mechanic its irrelevant. Also intriguing =/= good.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"] huh? Well considering that Super Mario World is barebones platforming, it will excel in that point. But the thread is not about which is the better platformer, the thread is about which is the better overall game.samuraiguns

Both games fall into a specific genre though and you judge how good the game is by the standards of that genre. Otherwise you are not doing any worthwhile comparison. LBP will have better graphics, sound and physics, that doesn't make it better overall. Not by the standards of the genre or even of gaming period. You need to provide a better argument than that.

You can't seperate them, that's the point. The poll is about the better overall game, not the better overall package.

[QUOTE="beast667"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"] huh? Well considering that Super Mario World is barebones platforming, it will excel in that point. But the thread is not about which is the better platformer, the thread is about which is the better overall game.ActicEdge

I disagree because at the end of the day I'm not staring at the levels for looks or creativity, its how they playand thanks to the crippled platforming mechanic, they will all play subpar regardless of how well they are designed. This is simply the way it is.

The platforming in SMW is better, but I like LBP overall for its coop, and user created content.

SMW has a terrible story :O /canofworms Need to dl it once I finish Kirby and SF64.caughtjoo

SMW has a terrible storycaughtjoo

Super Mario World hands down.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You explain why LBP is better too. You can't disregard or ask for an opinion without providing your own too.

ActicEdge

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

The things you stated do not make it better. Floaty physics are not a plus in a platforming designed the way LBP is. Take a look at Lost Winds if you want to see a floaty physics platformer designed well. Imagination is great, it doesn't make it better though, it makes you e able to create cool stuff but that's it. Its not the ingredidiant to a better platformer, creation tools are irrelevant. Fun = opinioon, not interested in that. Intriguing level design is nice, if those levels are designed around a gimped platforming mechanic its irrelevant. Also intriguing =/= good.

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"] why is this so?samuraiguns

You explain why LBP is better too. You can't disregard or ask for an opinion without providing your own too.

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

floaty physics is the main reason that LBP is NOT a great platforming game

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You explain why LBP is better too. You can't disregard or ask for an opinion without providing your own too.

ogvampire

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

floaty physics is the main reason that LBP is NOT a great platforming game

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

samuraiguns

The things you stated do not make it better. Floaty physics are not a plus in a platforming designed the way LBP is. Take a look at Lost Winds if you want to see a floaty physics platformer designed well. Imagination is great, it doesn't make it better though, it makes you e able to create cool stuff but that's it. Its not the ingredidiant to a better platformer, creation tools are irrelevant. Fun = opinioon, not interested in that. Intriguing level design is nice, if those levels are designed around a gimped platforming mechanic its irrelevant. Also intriguing =/= good.

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

samuraiguns

floaty physics is the main reason that LBP is NOT a great platforming game

:roll: No, its a serious poblem with the game. (and jeez people, for all my criticism I don't think the game is bad, its good, over praised but good. And yes, when it comes to analyzing platformers I am absolutely this harsh on every game. Its not just a nostalga filled grudge)