Compare and Contrast. Round 1 : Super Mario World VS LittleBigPlanet *56K*

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

The things that make LittlebigPlanet a superior game;

• Floaty Physics
• Taking the imagination to the maximum with the creation tools
• Fun Platforming (at least I found it fun)
• Intriguing level design

samuraiguns

floaty physics is the main reason that LBP is NOT a great platforming game

[QUOTE="aflakian"]

I still don't see how you put the two together. Me implying that something may not be as good as another thing doesn't automatically mean the other thing sucks by comparison.

Anyways, this thread has sparked my curiousity. I need to dig up my old SNES.

ActicEdge

Playing SMW now would not be wise based on this thread. You will enter with an expectation that it has to be amazing and you will feel disappointment almost certainly playing through it if this thread is your reasoning. Its threads like these that get the perception that old games are praised on nothing but nostalgia. Not really, its more like new games are overhyped and praised for stuff old games do much better (granted sometimes in more limited ways) and then the nostalgic fanboys don't know why they are even praising something while the people who do know get outshouted.

This thread has gotten you heated, Actic, that's for sure, :D

Even after something like 18 years Super Mario World is still the best 2D platformer ever made. (This is not based on nostalgia. I still play the game regularly) While LPB is a fun game and it's creation elements are amazing it's platforming is merely decent.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The things you stated do not make it better. Floaty physics are not a plus in a platforming designed the way LBP is. Take a look at Lost Winds if you want to see a floaty physics platformer designed well. Imagination is great, it doesn't make it better though, it makes you e able to create cool stuff but that's it. Its not the ingredidiant to a better platformer, creation tools are irrelevant. Fun = opinioon, not interested in that. Intriguing level design is nice, if those levels are designed around a gimped platforming mechanic its irrelevant. Also intriguing =/= good.

ActicEdge

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

The most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiding behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

I didn't accuse anyone directly, I left up to the user to decide. How am I hiding behind a unsupported opinion? I just don't think that on the bases of what we are talking about it is not really wise for me to continue the conversation. It will go on forever in a circular pattern becuase there are no facts involved, it's just pure opinion and you cant really prove an opinion fact, hence the cycle continues.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

samuraiguns

The most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiding behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

I didn't accuse anyone directly, I left up to the user to decide. How am I hiding behind a unsupported opinion? I just don't think that on the bases of what we are talking about it is not really wise for me to continue the conversation. It will go on forever in a circular pattern becuase there are no facts involved, it's just pure opinion and you cant really prove an opinion fact, hence the cycle continues.

What you are essentially saying is that there is no point even having threads about what beats what because its all opinion basically? I call BS on that, you can look at what are hailed as the best games of their genre and see what they all have in common which makes them great. Its not hard for a statement like, "the fact that the enemies take too much damage" for example to not be a relevant opinion. You can't prove most things said on this forum that are not sales numbers, should we just stop discussing things? I can put down tons of criteria on how I judge platformers with video examples and the fact is because it is not absolute undeniable fact you don't want to discuss it? Like I said, whenever I get into this argument with people, they always run off instead of addressing what I'm saying with counterpoint or atleast a good educated opinion. I'm not ignorant, I will listen to other opinions if they are constructed well. Forget it, I'm not getting anywhere discussing this, its not worth it, enjoy your day.

"I'm actually offended that you are comparing one of the best platformers ever to a mediocore pile of **** platformer like LBP. This is ridiculous. LBP has trouble outplatformering Croc on my ps1 let alone SMW"

"I don't think the game is bad, its good"

? Do you mean just in terms of platforming? LBP platforming was done purposely, and I never thought the game to be a contender for the platformer genre. It's a very unique, different game.I strongly doubt they had the intention of going up against SMW, because they would fall flat on their face.

The comparison is ridiculous, but LittleBigPlanet is more relevant, has a great create mode, and fun co-op play. Maybe that's why some people picked it over SMW. If the poll asked which had better platform mechanics, then I would understand your freak out, but it didn't ask that, did it?

"The fact that 42+ people voted for LBP makes me wonder why I even give a slightdamn about reviews or the opinion of most." They are entitled to their opinions. Relax, your going to give yourself a heart attack.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The things you stated do not make it better. Floaty physics are not a plus in a platforming designed the way LBP is. Take a look at Lost Winds if you want to see a floaty physics platformer designed well. Imagination is great, it doesn't make it better though, it makes you e able to create cool stuff but that's it. Its not the ingredidiant to a better platformer, creation tools are irrelevant. Fun = opinioon, not interested in that. Intriguing level design is nice, if those levels are designed around a gimped platforming mechanic its irrelevant. Also intriguing =/= good.

ActicEdge

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

Unsupported opinion? So now we have to bring evidence/links/petitions out to have opinions?

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The things you stated do not make it better. Floaty physics are not a plus in a platforming designed the way LBP is. Take a look at Lost Winds if you want to see a floaty physics platformer designed well. Imagination is great, it doesn't make it better though, it makes you e able to create cool stuff but that's it. Its not the ingredidiant to a better platformer, creation tools are irrelevant. Fun = opinioon, not interested in that. Intriguing level design is nice, if those levels are designed around a gimped platforming mechanic its irrelevant. Also intriguing =/= good.

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

Well, all those things you mentioned are preference and therefore they are an opinion. Me saying that LBP's level design is good is an opinion and everyone else can disagree/agree to that. I think that the way The Nintendo team handled the platforming for SuperMarioWorld is perfect and the way Media Molecule handled the platforming for LBP is perfect. I don't really think I can convice a person to agree with my opnion, so I will just end it there :?

santoron

See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

Unsupported opinion? So now we have to bring evidence/links/petitions out to have opinions?

No, you have to have reasoning behind your analysis. I'm not expecting links and stuff, just a decent reason why such and such are not good or are clever etc. He brought none of that, its just a list and stuff that absolutely do not mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I thought it was fairly obvious?

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!

ActicEdge

Unsupported opinion? So now we have to bring evidence/links/petitions out to have opinions?

No, you have to have reasoning behind your analysis. I'm not expecting links and stuff, just a decent reason why such and such are not good or are clever etc. He brought none of that, its just a list and stuff that absolutely do not mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I thought it was fairly obvious?

"I'm actually offended that you are comparing one of the best platformers ever to a mediocore pile of **** platformer like LBP. This is ridiculous. LBP has trouble outplatformering Croc on my ps1 let alone SMW"

"I don't think the game is bad, its good"

? Do you mean just in terms of platforming? LBP platforming was done purposely, and I never thought the game to be a contender for the platformer genre. It's a very unique, different game.I strongly doubt they had the intention of going up against SMW, because they would fall flat on their face.

The comparison is ridiculous, but LittleBigPlanet is more relevant, has a great create mode, and fun co-op play. Maybe that's why some people picked it over SMW. If the poll asked which had better platform mechanics, then I would understand your freak out, but it didn't ask that, did it?

"The fact that 42+ people voted for LBP makes me wonder why I even give a slightdamn about reviews or the opinion of most." They are entitled to their opinions. Relax, your going to give yourself a heart attack.

Alpha-Male22

Dude, the gaming media does enough circle ****ing to games as it is. I'm brutal on games (especailly platformers) because its how you truly see whether a game holds up. Throwing a nine to every game solves nothing. That's why as harsh as I am, I can still think something is good in relative terms. Also, notice that in the LBP reference I used platformer and not overall game. Its not a bad game, its pretty good, the overall package saves it but the platforming is mediocore, nothing special imo which I'd be willing to explain if people would care to give a good response.

As for LBP platforming done purposely, it doesn't matter. It has to be docked when it is not done well. Same way I would dock a game like Megaman 9 for graphics even if they are like that purposely, you have to be fair, no special treatment.

LBP being more relevant is funny. SMW is hailed as one of THEE best platformers, its what most game aspire to be, its absolutely relevant. The poll was which is the overall better GAME, NOT PACKAGE. And I'm perfectly chill, people, I'm not angry or furious, this is just how I discuss platformers :P

"See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!"

So wait, user created levels are either long and boring or short and decent? Is that the only two options to a user created level? And did you cite this as fact? You denied this was opinion? Really?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Unsupported opinion? So now we have to bring evidence/links/petitions out to have opinions?

Alpha-Male22

No, you have to have reasoning behind your analysis. I'm not expecting links and stuff, just a decent reason why such and such are not good or are clever etc. He brought none of that, its just a list and stuff that absolutely do not mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I thought it was fairly obvious?

All a review or analysis is is an opinion. You can't judge something without using opinion. Also the smirky, "I thought you were done" was in reference to the dud I was talking to, not the guy I quoted. I actually am willing to go level by level and dissect things however. My shock and dismay is that LBP does not have the platforming to stand up to SMW period. I could explain but again, when I do, people just ditch and don't converse. I will listen to others when they just bring a little reasoning to the table. No one is doing that and the amount of times I have done it in vain is completely annoying. And yes, you absolutely can use your opinion as reasoning, you just need to have an actual clue aqbout where your opinion is relevant to the thing you are discussing.

"See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!"

So wait, user created levels are either long and boring or short and decent? Is that the only two options to a user created level? And did you cite this as fact? You denied this was opinion? Really?

Alpha-Male22

"See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!"

So wait, user created levels are either long and boring or short and decent? Is that the only two options to a user created level? And did you cite this as fact? You denied this was opinion? Really?

Alpha-Male22

That one was shearly my opinion. Since you can't play every user generated level, you can't judge all of it. That was shearly my personal opinion based on what I played.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

"I'm actually offended that you are comparing one of the best platformers ever to a mediocore pile of **** platformer like LBP. This is ridiculous. LBP has trouble outplatformering Croc on my ps1 let alone SMW"

"I don't think the game is bad, its good"

? Do you mean just in terms of platforming? LBP platforming was done purposely, and I never thought the game to be a contender for the platformer genre. It's a very unique, different game.I strongly doubt they had the intention of going up against SMW, because they would fall flat on their face.

The comparison is ridiculous, but LittleBigPlanet is more relevant, has a great create mode, and fun co-op play. Maybe that's why some people picked it over SMW. If the poll asked which had better platform mechanics, then I would understand your freak out, but it didn't ask that, did it?

"The fact that 42+ people voted for LBP makes me wonder why I even give a slightdamn about reviews or the opinion of most." They are entitled to their opinions. Relax, your going to give yourself a heart attack.

ActicEdge

Dude, the gaming media does enough circle ****ing to games as it is. I'm brutal on games (especailly platformers) because its how you truly see whether a game holds up. Throwing a nine to every game solves nothing. That's why as harsh as I am, I can still think something is good in relative terms. Also, notice that in the LBP reference I used platformer and not overall game. Its not a bad game, its pretty good, the overall package saves it but the platforming is mediocore, nothing special imo which I'd be willing to explain if people would care to give a good response.

As for LBP platforming done purposely, it doesn't matter. It has to be docked when it is not done well. Same way I would dock a game like Megaman 9 for graphics even if they are like that purposely, you have to be fair, no special treatment.

LBP being more relevant is funny. SMW is hailed as one of THEE best platformers, its what most game aspire to be, its absolutely relevant. The poll was which is the overall better GAME, NOT PACKAGE. And I'm perfectly chill, people, I'm not angry or furious, this is just how I discuss platformers :P

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

"See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!"

So wait, user created levels are either long and boring or short and decent? Is that the only two options to a user created level? And did you cite this as fact? You denied this was opinion? Really?

ChrisSpartan117

This is basically part of what I meant to an extent. When it actually comes to user generated content, most of it isn't high quality.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

"See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!"

So wait, user created levels are either long and boring or short and decent? Is that the only two options to a user created level? And did you cite this as fact? You denied this was opinion? Really?

ActicEdge

That one was shearly my opinion. Since you can't play every user generated level, you can't judge all of it. That was shearly my personal opinion based on what I played.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

"I'm actually offended that you are comparing one of the best platformers ever to a mediocore pile of **** platformer like LBP. This is ridiculous. LBP has trouble outplatformering Croc on my ps1 let alone SMW"

"I don't think the game is bad, its good"

? Do you mean just in terms of platforming? LBP platforming was done purposely, and I never thought the game to be a contender for the platformer genre. It's a very unique, different game.I strongly doubt they had the intention of going up against SMW, because they would fall flat on their face.

The comparison is ridiculous, but LittleBigPlanet is more relevant, has a great create mode, and fun co-op play. Maybe that's why some people picked it over SMW. If the poll asked which had better platform mechanics, then I would understand your freak out, but it didn't ask that, did it?

"The fact that 42+ people voted for LBP makes me wonder why I even give a slightdamn about reviews or the opinion of most." They are entitled to their opinions. Relax, your going to give yourself a heart attack.

Alpha-Male22

Dude, the gaming media does enough circle ****ing to games as it is. I'm brutal on games (especailly platformers) because its how you truly see whether a game holds up. Throwing a nine to every game solves nothing. That's why as harsh as I am, I can still think something is good in relative terms. Also, notice that in the LBP reference I used platformer and not overall game. Its not a bad game, its pretty good, the overall package saves it but the platforming is mediocore, nothing special imo which I'd be willing to explain if people would care to give a good response.

As for LBP platforming done purposely, it doesn't matter. It has to be docked when it is not done well. Same way I would dock a game like Megaman 9 for graphics even if they are like that purposely, you have to be fair, no special treatment.

LBP being more relevant is funny. SMW is hailed as one of THEE best platformers, its what most game aspire to be, its absolutely relevant. The poll was which is the overall better GAME, NOT PACKAGE. And I'm perfectly chill, people, I'm not angry or furious, this is just how I discuss platformers :P

Well when you say overall game I am tlking gameplay since that is generally what defines a game. When I say package I talk about replayabilty, graphics, music etc. I think there is a true difference there.

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

"See, this is what I mean, I can actually expnd upon the very reason why LBP is flawed as a platformer from the level layout to the jumping mechanic. All of it, Creation tools doesn't make LBP a better platformer than SMW. There is no opinion in that. A better package? Absolutely hell yes but creating your own levels does not fix the problem with the gameplay, the extreme simplicity, the fact that the game plays rather slowly in the grand scheme of things, the fact that most of the user created levels are either short and decent or long and boring. Intriguing =/= good isn't an opinion either, lots of things can be intriguing but turn out to be crap. There is no opinion there. The tiered dimensions weren't all that well done either. It doesn't flow in the grand scheme of things because in theory if everything is tiered then why would there need to be pieces of levels blocking all? In theory each tier should be used for something different but most of the times they aren't. Its just to avoid stuff or collect hidden orbs. There is no real use to it. And the most annoying part of your post is you accused Nostalgia of playing the part in our preference of SMW but now you are hiing behind an unsupported opinion. Great!!!!"

So wait, user created levels are either long and boring or short and decent? Is that the only two options to a user created level? And did you cite this as fact? You denied this was opinion? Really?

ActicEdge

This is basically part of what I meant to an extent. When it actually comes to user generated content, most of it isn't high quality.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Dude, the gaming media does enough circle ****ing to games as it is. I'm brutal on games (especailly platformers) because its how you truly see whether a game holds up. Throwing a nine to every game solves nothing. That's why as harsh as I am, I can still think something is good in relative terms. Also, notice that in the LBP reference I used platformer and not overall game. Its not a bad game, its pretty good, the overall package saves it but the platforming is mediocore, nothing special imo which I'd be willing to explain if people would care to give a good response.

As for LBP platforming done purposely, it doesn't matter. It has to be docked when it is not done well. Same way I would dock a game like Megaman 9 for graphics even if they are like that purposely, you have to be fair, no special treatment.

LBP being more relevant is funny. SMW is hailed as one of THEE best platformers, its what most game aspire to be, its absolutely relevant. The poll was which is the overall better GAME, NOT PACKAGE. And I'm perfectly chill, people, I'm not angry or furious, this is just how I discuss platformers :P

ActicEdge

Well when you say overall game I am tlking gameplay since that is generally what defines a game. When I say package I talk about replayabilty, graphics, music etc. I think there is a true difference there.

I can't believe there's votes for LBP. IT's just garbage when compared to SMW. This isn't even nostalgia speaking. I have the game on my Wii and I can't even count the amount of times I've beaten that game. SMW is BY FAR the better game.

i chose little big planet. smwis a great game, and i enjoyed it as a kid and still do as an adult, but lbp is a hell of a lot more fun to play (especially multiplayer). im just starting to figure out how to make "good" levels in lbp and im hooked. you can hate on lbp and its supposed "sloppy" platforming, but i think the game is silky smooth. check out my levels PSN: atmos_phere

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"]To steal directly from Yahtzee, when it comes to user created content, you'll find a few gems in a sea of ****. Kind of like YouTube, only expect for not everybody's particpating in it.Alpha-Male22

This is basically part of what I meant to an extent. When it actually comes to user generated content, most of it isn't high quality.

But that's it. Who defines quality. Most of the stuff that passes for quality in terms of user generated quality does not reach my standard. LBP is no different.

LBP without it's loose character physics just wouldn't be LBP. I can't imagine that game with SM type platforming, it would take away the whole point of having interactive enviorments...

I don't see any reason it should be docked any points for having a different style of platforming.

LBP without it's loose character physics just wouldn't be LBP. I can't imagine that game with SM type platforming, it would take away the whole point of having interactive enviorments...

I don't see any reason it should be docked any points for having a different style of platforming.

W1NGMAN-

Its not the style that annoys people, its just how it plays. People find the loose physics annoying and imprecise (like myself among other things) and that's more than a reason to dock marks. Who said the game had to play like SM. It's not like we are docking Sonic for not having SM like platforming. I feel like LBP's platforming hurt the experience and the gameplay. Not really in the mood to explain why though.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

LBP without it's loose character physics just wouldn't be LBP. I can't imagine that game with SM type platforming, it would take away the whole point of having interactive enviorments...

I don't see any reason it should be docked any points for having a different style of platforming.

ActicEdge

Its not the style that annoys people, its just how it plays. People find the loose physics annoying and imprecise (like myself among other things) and that's more than a reason to dock marks. Who said the game had to play like SM. It's not like we are docking Sonic for not having SM like platforming. I feel like LBP's platforming hurt the experience and the gameplay. Not really in the mood to explain why though.

What people actually find the loose physics annoying? i thought they were great, something to get use to at first but once you got a hang of things I wouldn't want it any other way.

If LBP had static enviorments and your character didn't have physics to it it would have been lame.

As much as I love LBP. Super Mario World is a true legend.

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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

LBP without it's loose character physics just wouldn't be LBP. I can't imagine that game with SM type platforming, it would take away the whole point of having interactive enviorments...

I don't see any reason it should be docked any points for having a different style of platforming.

W1NGMAN-

Its not the style that annoys people, its just how it plays. People find the loose physics annoying and imprecise (like myself among other things) and that's more than a reason to dock marks. Who said the game had to play like SM. It's not like we are docking Sonic for not having SM like platforming. I feel like LBP's platforming hurt the experience and the gameplay. Not really in the mood to explain why though.

What people actually find the loose physics annoying? i thought they were great, something to get use to at first but once you got a hang of things I wouldn't want it any other way.

If LBP had static enviorments and your character didn't have physics to it it would have been lame.

There were tons of complaints about the loose physics, just look around for them. I don't know how you could have missed them.

How about...

LITTLE BIG MARIO?!

Blasphemy!

Little Big Planet should never be compared to Mario. This makes me sad.

I dont know why everyone is picking SMW. Little Big Planet is one of those games where you can keep playing it and it never gets old but SMW will get repetitive after some time. Plus its short. I love SMW as much as the next guy but if I were forced to pick between the two, I would pick the longer lasting game.

I dont know why everyone is picking SMW. Little Big Planet is one of those games where you can keep playing it and it never gets old but SMW will get repetitive after some time. Plus its short. I love SMW as much as the next guy but if I were forced to pick between the two, I would pick the longer lasting game.

Hungry_Jello

Quality > quantity.

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I dont know why everyone is picking SMW. Little Big Planet is one of those games where you can keep playing it and it never gets old but SMW will get repetitive after some time. Plus its short. I love SMW as much as the next guy but if I were forced to pick between the two, I would pick the longer lasting game.

BioShockOwnz

Quality > quantity.

Good thing LBP has both.

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[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I dont know why everyone is picking SMW. Little Big Planet is one of those games where you can keep playing it and it never gets old but SMW will get repetitive after some time. Plus its short. I love SMW as much as the next guy but if I were forced to pick between the two, I would pick the longer lasting game.

Hungry_Jello

Quality > quantity.

Good thing LBP has both.

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Quality > quantity.

BioShockOwnz

Good thing LBP has both.

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

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[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

Good thing LBP has both.

Hungry_Jello

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

We've all played it. Its starting to become annoying when someone has a strong opinion and its dismissed instead of responded to. Do we really have to accuse each other of not playing each game?

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

ActicEdge

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

We've all played it. Its starting to become annoying when someone has a strong opinion and its dismissed instead of responded to. Do we really have to accuse each other of not playing each game?

The only way to know is to ask. Or else I could assume you are just blindly bashing it. Tell me. What makes Super Mario World the superior game? The only category I could see it doing better in is gameplay.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

ActicEdge

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

We've all played it. Its starting to become annoying when someone has a strong opinion and its dismissed instead of responded to. Do we really have to accuse each other of not playing each game?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

Good thing LBP has both.

Hungry_Jello

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

Um, yes. :|

And it is a "huge understatement". We can agree. ;)

I can't believe someone could even say LBP is a better game. Even from a subjective point of view, I find that errr... I don't know. It's best left unsaid. The fact that LBP fans have to fall back on the level creator is quite telling, though.

um ok I usually don't like being the nostalgia glasses wearing jerks(Goldeney SUCKS, accept it) but I'm going to go with Super Mario World as the better "Platformer", Little Big Planets best assets are its user generated content, and ability to create. SOme of the user levels are fantastic. Too many are mario levels though :Pjg4xchamp

ITT: internet toughguy interrogates strangers about platformers, more as this story develops

ot, saying that theres nothing wrong with the control snad physics of lbp--well, whatever. maybe by some outside chance, you actually do like it. but from where i sit, those two things are awful, and in a platforming game, really not much else is important. a level creator doesnt help you if playing though those magnificent levels sucks.

LBP is losing by like 100 votes. SMW is the overwhelming victor. There is justice in this world. Thank god.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

BioShockOwnz

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

Um, yes. :|

And it is a "huge understatement". We can agree. ;)

I can't believe someone could even say LBP is a better game. Even from a subjective point of view, I find that errr... I don't know. It's best left unsaid. The fact that LBP fans have to fall back on the level creator is quite telling, though.

Because thats what LBP is. A level creator with platforming elements. I cant believe someone could say SMW is the better game. Even from a subjective point of view. I've played both but SMW is obsolete.

It seems like most of the votes come from nostalgia clouded opinions.

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, not so much. LBP has shoddy platform mechanics. The 3-plane setup is problematic and the floaty physics are janky. Get stuck between 2 objects and your little Sackboy twitches all over the place. Sorry, one's a classic, and the other is entirely forgettable.

BioShockOwnz

Entirely forgettable? Thats a huge understatement. This game is one of the greatest level creators of our time for now. Have you even played it? Or the levels online that people make?

Um, yes. :|

And it is a "huge understatement". We can agree. ;)

I can't believe someone could even say LBP is a better game. Even from a subjective point of view, I find that errr... I don't know. It's best left unsaid. The fact that LBP fans have to fall back on the level creator is quite telling, though.