Computers weren't designed for GAMING

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Zlychop"]

If you consider a console a gimped PC then I guess every electronic is a "gimped" PC then.

Consoles aren't gimped PC's, while they use similar tech they function completely different.

When you can pop in a disc right at the start of your PC and begin playing a game without any extra sidework needed to start the game, get at me. ok?

Zlychop

Upcoming disc formats with up to 250gb - 1 terabyte + would love to say hi. Installing games is a lengthy process, and imagine this.

People have friends. One friend brings over their copy of the game and they play instantly, no need to install and it is much more convienent than installing a game.

There are pros and cons to both methods unfortunately the PC doesn't give people the option when it comes to this, while consoles do;)

Yes, installing games does take forever... on consoles.

I dont know what you're getting at about disc formats. The whole idea of playing from a disc is terribly dated.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] While consoles may adapt to what PC sets first such as DX, consoles still dictate where graphics remain in gaming. PCs do set standards in benchmarks (3Dmark) but those aren't games. AdrianWerner

I somehow didn't see consoles dicatacting graphics in MMOs or strategy games. THey only dictate where FPS graphics remain and even that not fully.

Also...it's not about graphics...gameplay ideas, new genres, new business models, accesories, design trends...etc..all start and evolve on PC. Consoles are just following the trends PC create.

The PC CAN play games but it is not a gaming machine.Zlychop

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC and yes I have played the "good" PC games from around the same era to go see what all the craze was about.

Only valid hermit argument would be Unreal Tournament 2K4.

But PC is an open platform, anyone can support it. It is improbable that you even could bribe devs to make a game PC exclusive, as who would pay them?

OB-47

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

Zlychop

I didn't know today was free sig day :D

Hm, didn't we have this thread already, a few days ago? :?

Only I think this one is slightly dumber than the last one, which is quite an impressive feat...

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

Zlychop

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

AdrianWerner

And it was in fact being developed for PC/Mac until a last minute deal with Microsoft secured exclusivity. Xbox could run it because it was practically a PC, though a gimped one, as evidenced by this:

Originally a key element, the game's online multiplayer component was dropped because Xbox Live would be unfinished at the time of Halo's release.

wikipedia

OMG, 2001 game with no MP - THAT' S REEVALUTIONARY !!! LMAO :D

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

AdrianWerner

To be fair, if you ever played marathon, its more or less the same game. Same aliens, similair weapons, also had the power ranger multicolour outfits etc, same artstyle.

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

Zlychop

lol, at least put some effort in your trolling if you want people to take you seriously.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

AdrianWerner

Way to generalise one of the most important FPS games, regardless of platform.

Halo is right up there with the PC greats like Quake. Even the very PC style game Crysis was influenced by Halo.

Halo did a lot of big things for gaming, and small things. It definitely made a bigger impact on console shooters, but many FPS on the PC also were influenced by it.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

tenaka2

To be fair, if you ever played marathon, its more or less the same game. Same aliens, similair weapons, also had the power ranger multicolour outfits etc, same artstyle.

Halo did alot of big things for gaming, and small things. It definitely made a bigger impact on console shooters, but many FPS on the PC also were influenced by it.

OB-47

Way to generalise one of the most important FPS games, regardless of platform.

Halo is right up there with the PC greats like Quake. Even the very PC style game Crysis was influenced by Halo.

Halo did a lot of big things for gaming, and small things. It definitely made a bigger impact on console shooters, but many FPS on the PC also were influenced by it.

OB-47

You missed the point. Halo was a PC game to begin with - it went console last minute, and the console it was on was practically a proprietary PC, built on PC technology. So the idiotic argument that PC never influences console gaming cannot be supported by Halo's importance.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]No, it didn't. In fact, it was built on elements taken directly from older PC FPSes. That's what's funny, it was propably the most important console game of last decade and all it really was, was dumbed down take on PC FPS genre.

soulitane

To be fair, if you ever played marathon, its more or less the same game. Same aliens, similair weapons, also had the power ranger multicolour outfits etc, same artstyle.

Really? Have you played marathon or are you speaking from ignorance, you realise bunjie made marathon before halo?

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Halo did alot of big things for gaming, and small things. It definitely made a bigger impact on console shooters, but many FPS on the PC also were influenced by it.

AdrianWerner

Oh I see, you're one of those people.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

To be fair, if you ever played marathon, its more or less the same game. Same aliens, similair weapons, also had the power ranger multicolour outfits etc, same artstyle.

tenaka2

Really? Have you played marathon or are you speaking from ignorance, you realise bunjie made marathon before halo?

I played Marathon, and there are a lot of superficial similarities. Dual wielding, similair enemy design etc. But Halo and Marathon played totally differently

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

To be fair, if you ever played marathon, its more or less the same game. Same aliens, similair weapons, also had the power ranger multicolour outfits etc, same artstyle.

tenaka2

Really? Have you played marathon or are you speaking from ignorance, you realise bunjie made marathon before halo?

Oh I see, you're one of those people.

OB-47

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Oh I see, you're one of those people.

AdrianWerner

Well then if really think that (I know you don't) then you must have poor social skills as most people would be able to tell that was not a compliment.

Take a read of this

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Oh I see, you're one of those people.

OB-47

Well then if really think that (I know you don't) then you must have poor social skills as most people would be able to tell that was not a compliment.

Take a read of this

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] I find it amusing that you attempt to go around and call others stupid and then say this.OB-47

Really? Have you played marathon or are you speaking from ignorance, you realise bunjie made marathon before halo?

I played Marathon, and there are a lot of superficial similarities. Dual wielding, similair enemy design etc. But Halo and Marathon played totally differently

The multiplayer was pretty similiar also.

But thats enough really, just pointing out that Halo didn't just appear out of no where, its was jsut an evolution of an older game.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Sounds like a complement. Thanks :)

AdrianWerner

Well then if really think that (I know you don't) then you must have poor social skills as most people would be able to tell that was not a compliment.

Take a read of this

There's a difference between fanboy and fan.

Where have I shown any fanboyism to Halo. In fact, I mostly play on PC as I'm currently playing LoL, Guild Wars 2 and Counter Strike Source and there's been a total drought of interesting console games.

It's funny how you talk about fanboyism when you yourself look like a total hermit fanboy.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Really? Have you played marathon or are you speaking from ignorance, you realise bunjie made marathon before halo?

tenaka2

I played Marathon, and there are a lot of superficial similarities. Dual wielding, similair enemy design etc. But Halo and Marathon played totally differently

The multiplayer was pretty similiar also.

But thats enough really, just pointing out that Halo didn't just appear out of no where, its was jsut an evolution of an older game.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Really? Have you played marathon or are you speaking from ignorance, you realise bunjie made marathon before halo?

tenaka2

I played Marathon, and there are a lot of superficial similarities. Dual wielding, similair enemy design etc. But Halo and Marathon played totally differently

The multiplayer was pretty similiar also.

But thats enough really, just pointing out that Halo didn't just appear out of no where, its was jsut an evolution of an older game.

Other than the very first thing, nothing comes out of no where. Everything has it's influence. Call of Duty and Battlefield wouldn't have existed if it weren't for Wolfenstein.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

I played Marathon, and there are a lot of superficial similarities. Dual wielding, similair enemy design etc. But Halo and Marathon played totally differently

soulitane

The multiplayer was pretty similiar also.

But thats enough really, just pointing out that Halo didn't just appear out of no where, its was jsut an evolution of an older game.

yes, I am changing my argument, I'll settle for similiar.

There's a difference between fanboy and fan.

Where have I shown any fanboyism to Halo.OB-47

By taking anything written as that's pure praise for Halo as an attack on the whole game's worth? That's pretty fanboyish.

Ease up, it's just one game and one forum user. You know damn wel that the fact that I don't fall on my knees before Halo doesn't have any effect on your enjoyment of the franchise

The PC is designed around what the user wants.

Console hardware is always 2 steps behind in the game of catch up they like to play with PC, for instance developers are asking for more memory in next gen consoles so that they can make bigger games to a higher standard like what is already possible right now and years prior to now, on PC. Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time, even most of the ones that where designed for consoles still end up better on PC.

Therefor, it doesnt matter weather computers were designed for gaming or not, what matters to me is that computers do gaming better than consoles do gaming. Moreover, a gamers PC is called a "gaming PC" for a reason: It was designed to play games.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

There's a difference between fanboy and fan.

Where have I shown any fanboyism to Halo.AdrianWerner

By taking anything written as that's pure praise for Halo as an attack on the whole game's worth? That's pretty fanboyish.

Ease up, it's just one game and one forum user. You know damn wel that the fact that I don't fall on my knees before Halo doesn't have any effect on your enjoyment of the franchise

This is a forum

The whole concept is to discuss and challenge peoples views. If we were to simply say "well that's just your opinion" most of these threads would end within one response.

As soon as I give a valid arguement, you just divert to another point entirely. Nice.

This is a forum

The whole concept is to discuss and challenge peoples views.

OB-47

PC's werent originally designed for games. Correct. Games were designed for PC's though (and on) so ... what's the issue?

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

This is a forum

The whole concept is to discuss and challenge peoples views.

AdrianWerner

You generalised Halo's negatively. I tried to prove that it is actually a very important game in terms of influence and importance. You then claim that I am a fanboy (well you heavily implied it) and then I proved I wasn't.

Then you diverted the arguement to something along the lines of 'it's just a forum discussion' and that I shouldn't get all fussed about one forum users opinion

I've tried to stay on topic as you continue to divert away from the point.

Keyboard and mouse, the things that some people are on for 8+ hours a day 5 days a week, are not ergonomic?

PC Gaming is simply awesome...

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]the only thing pcs are good for is gaming and porn. thats their sole purpose for existence Zlychop

CHICKEN

If pcs arent desgined for gamingThen why are there card games already installed on my pc??????

TC = OWNED

I have to say chicken in every post because of a bet so dont worry mods.

free_milk

... I said they weren't designed for gaming originally, consoles changed that.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

This is a forum

The whole concept is to discuss and challenge peoples views.

OB-47

You generalised Halo's negatively. I tried to prove that it is actually a very important game in terms of influence and importance. You then claim that I am a fanboy (well you heavily implied it) and then I proved I wasn't.

Then you diverted the arguement to something along the lines of 'it's just a forum discussion' and that I shouldn't get all fussed about one forum users opinion

I've tried to stay on topic as you continue to divert away from the point.

Your sequence of events is what I saw too.

I can agree about the example of Halo, I remember back in the day that 4 player split screen FPS which was never before seen on a console. Oh wait, GoldenEye on N64. Well anyway, it was still awesome beyond belief for an FPS on a console. Here is a different description to OB-47's guy, it's under #5.

Sorry, can't hear you over all my awesome games.

Keyboard and Mouse wasn't designed for games.

Windows wasn't designed for games

No standardized hardware = million of different configurations only to realize these hardwares weren't meant for gaming but more important work or educational tasks instead.

Computers were made to create such things as video games, yes but they weren't meant to play them. The current control scheme of it indicates this KB + M, you serious? That is an incredibly unergonomically way to game.

Consoles which were designed for gaming allow the PC to be used for gaming, without help from outside sources the PC in a traditional sense was not meant to game.

PCs are for studying, work, school, and other important tasks.

Consoles are designed for fun during leisure time, split screen, extremely vocal online community with an excllent setup (XBL >> Steam), their standard controllers, and standardized hardware.

Every new consoles dictates the future of PC, never has the PC dictated the future for consoles.

What PC gamers play are console games, that have been converted into a PC control scheme, although the platform itself is not a gaming platform.

PCs are mainstream, Consoles are mainstream, but.... PC gaming is not mainstream.

All because they weren't designed for gaming.

Zlychop

No computers were not designed for Gaming.

They were designed to do Math.

and Math is EVERYTHING!!!!!

:lol:

Playing games with kb/m is a bore. Give me gamepad every time. Other then that, PC gaming is great but only if you have a good enough gamepad

Are you 14 and just picked that up on Wikipedia?

Yes, computers weren't designed for gaming.

They were designed for a variety of tasks from which gaming is just *one* of them.

And your point is moot considering the 8-bit home computers in the 80s (Spectrum ZX, Commodore 64, Amstrad CPC, ect.) were a *big* competition for the 8-bit consoles at the time.

Likewise, an Amiga computer far outperformed the 8-bit consoles in graphics and sound and had superior multimedia capabilties for the time (the DOS PC became relevant for gaming in the early 90s).

(Consoles were designed for kids btw)

Keyboard and Mouse wasn't designed for games.

Windows wasn't designed for games

No standardized hardware = million of different configurations only to realize these hardwares weren't meant for gaming but more important work or educational tasks instead.

Computers were made to create such things as video games, yes but they weren't meant to play them. The current control scheme of it indicates this KB + M, you serious? That is an incredibly unergonomically way to game.

Consoles which were designed for gaming allow the PC to be used for gaming, without help from outside sources the PC in a traditional sense was not meant to game.

PCs are for studying, work, school, and other important tasks.

Consoles are designed for fun during leisure time, split screen, extremely vocal online community with an excllent setup (XBL >> Steam), their standard controllers, and standardized hardware.

Every new consoles dictates the future of PC, never has the PC dictated the future for consoles.

What PC gamers play are console games, that have been converted into a PC control scheme, although the platform itself is not a gaming platform.

PCs are mainstream, Consoles are mainstream, but.... PC gaming is not mainstream.

All because they weren't designed for gaming.

Zlychop

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X

The Taito Type X is an arcade gaming system released by Taito Corporation and it's based on X86 PC.

Taito Type X3
OS: Windows Embedded Standard 7 64bit / Windows XP Embedded SP3 32bit
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
Chipset: Intel Q67 express
Graphic: AMD RADEON HD 6770
Sound: 7.1ch HD AUDIO
Memory: DDR3 2GB
Storage: HDD 160GB (2.5 inches)
USB: USB3.0 × 2 group + USB2.0 × 2 group
Network: 1Gbit/s × 2 port
Serial: 1 port
Power Supply: 600W

Keyboard and Mouse wasn't designed for games.

Windows wasn't designed for games

No standardized hardware = million of different configurations only to realize these hardwares weren't meant for gaming but more important work or educational tasks instead.

Computers were made to create such things as video games, yes but they weren't meant to play them. The current control scheme of it indicates this KB + M, you serious? That is an incredibly unergonomically way to game.

Consoles which were designed for gaming allow the PC to be used for gaming, without help from outside sources the PC in a traditional sense was not meant to game.

PCs are for studying, work, school, and other important tasks.

Consoles are designed for fun during leisure time, split screen, extremely vocal online community with an excllent setup (XBL >> Steam), their standard controllers, and standardized hardware.

Every new consoles dictates the future of PC, never has the PC dictated the future for consoles.

What PC gamers play are console games, that have been converted into a PC control scheme, although the platform itself is not a gaming platform.

PCs are mainstream, Consoles are mainstream, but.... PC gaming is not mainstream.

All because they weren't designed for gaming.

Zlychop

With that logic, mobiles phones were not designed for gaming but are now a billion dollar industry, hummm.