Computers weren't designed for GAMING

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Keyboard and Mouse wasn't designed for games.

Windows wasn't designed for games

No standardized hardware = million of different configurations only to realize these hardwares weren't meant for gaming but more important work or educational tasks instead.

Computers were made to create such things as video games, yes but they weren't meant to play them. The current control scheme of it indicates this KB + M, you serious? That is an incredibly unergonomically way to game.

Consoles which were designed for gaming allow the PC to be used for gaming, without help from outside sources the PC in a traditional sense was not meant to game.

PCs are for studying, work, school, and other important tasks.

Consoles are designed for fun during leisure time, split screen, extremely vocal online community with an excllent setup (XBL >> Steam), their standard controllers, and standardized hardware.

Every new consoles dictates the future of PC, never has the PC dictated the future for consoles.

What PC gamers play are console games, that have been converted into a PC control scheme, although the platform itself is not a gaming platform.

PCs are mainstream, Consoles are mainstream, but.... PC gaming is not mainstream.

All because they weren't designed for gaming.

ronvalencia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X

The Taito Type X is an arcade gaming system released by Taito Corporation and it's based on X86 PC.

Taito Type X3
OS: Windows Embedded Standard 7 64bit / Windows XP Embedded SP3 32bit
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
Chipset: Intel Q67 express
Graphic: AMD RADEON HD 6770
Sound: 7.1ch HD AUDIO
Memory: DDR3 2GB
Storage: HDD 160GB (2.5 inches)
USB: USB3.0 × 2 group + USB2.0 × 2 group
Network: 1Gbit/s × 2 port
Serial: 1 port
Power Supply: 600W

Next Xbox/PS specs right there (except replace Intel with AMD or PowerPC).

Now there is some companies designing PCs for gamers but you know it'll cost you a down payment on car to go get one ... Generally speaking .. no .. Computers were never designed for gaming ... Its why it costs more then consoles cuz you have to build it into something it wasn't never ment to be GoneRabbid

Costing more because it's more powerful sort of of slipped your mind eh? Also PC tech from 2007 is dirt cheap right now. Your logic is very unsound.

[QUOTE="GoneRabbid"]Now there is some companies designing PCs for gamers but you know it'll cost you a down payment on car to go get one ... Generally speaking .. no .. Computers were never designed for gaming ... Its why it costs more then consoles cuz you have to build it into something it wasn't never ment to be menes777

Costing more because it's more powerful sort of of slipped your mind eh? Also PC tech from 2007 is dirt cheap right now. Your logic is very unsound.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] While consoles may adapt to what PC sets first such as DX, consoles still dictate where graphics remain in gaming. PCs do set standards in benchmarks (3Dmark) but those aren't games. Zlychop

I somehow didn't see consoles dicatacting graphics in MMOs or strategy games. THey only dictate where FPS graphics remain and even that not fully.

Also...it's not about graphics...gameplay ideas, new genres, new business models, accesories, design trends...etc..all start and evolve on PC. Consoles are just following the trends PC create.

The PC CAN play games but it is not a gaming machine.Zlychop

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC and yes I have played the "good" PC games from around the same era to go see what all the craze was about.

Only valid hermit argument would be Unreal Tournament 2K4.

Halo CE was originally destined for Mac and PC only until MS bought off Bungie. If anything, Halo shows the XBox is deeply under the influence of PCs.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Keyboard and Mouse wasn't designed for games.

Windows wasn't designed for games

No standardized hardware = million of different configurations only to realize these hardwares weren't meant for gaming but more important work or educational tasks instead.

Computers were made to create such things as video games, yes but they weren't meant to play them. The current control scheme of it indicates this KB + M, you serious? That is an incredibly unergonomically way to game.

Consoles which were designed for gaming allow the PC to be used for gaming, without help from outside sources the PC in a traditional sense was not meant to game.

PCs are for studying, work, school, and other important tasks.

Consoles are designed for fun during leisure time, split screen, extremely vocal online community with an excllent setup (XBL >> Steam), their standard controllers, and standardized hardware.

Every new consoles dictates the future of PC, never has the PC dictated the future for consoles.

What PC gamers play are console games, that have been converted into a PC control scheme, although the platform itself is not a gaming platform.

PCs are mainstream, Consoles are mainstream, but.... PC gaming is not mainstream.

All because they weren't designed for gaming.

nameless12345

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X

The Taito Type X is an arcade gaming system released by Taito Corporation and it's based on X86 PC.

Taito Type X3
OS: Windows Embedded Standard 7 64bit / Windows XP Embedded SP3 32bit
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
Chipset: Intel Q67 express
Graphic: AMD RADEON HD 6770
Sound: 7.1ch HD AUDIO
Memory: DDR3 2GB
Storage: HDD 160GB (2.5 inches)
USB: USB3.0 × 2 group + USB2.0 × 2 group
Network: 1Gbit/s × 2 port
Serial: 1 port
Power Supply: 600W

Next Xbox/PS specs right there (except replace Intel with AMD or PowerPC).

From http://www.psx-sense.nl/89207/exclusief-talloze-informatie-over-de-playstation-4-inclusief-specificaties/

The leaked Sony PS4 has Radeon HD 7850 level GPU which blows away Taito Type X3's Radeon HD 6770.

AMD Fusion APU Codename Liverpool
Quad Core AMD x86 @ 3.2 GHz
ATI r10xx @ 800 MHz en 1843 GFLOPS
2GB Unified memory (?? 4GB)
Blu-ray
HDMI 1.4 1080p output
320GB+ HDD
16GB Flash Memory

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From http://www.techpowerup.com/172312/AMD-quot-Oland-quot-Radeon-HD-8800-Series-SKUs-Unveiled.html

Except for 64bit double precision maths, Radeon HD 8850 has similar compute power as Radeon HD 7950 Boost Edition. AMD plans to replace Radeon HD 7850 with Radeon HD 8850.

Sony and MS may need to revise thier plans with AMD's new GPUs.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]No, PC can play games and that's why IT IS A GAMING MACHINE

jun_aka_pekto

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC and yes I have played the "good" PC games from around the same era to go see what all the craze was about.

Only valid hermit argument would be Unreal Tournament 2K4.

Halo CE was originally destined for Mac and PC only until MS bought off Bungie. If anything, Halo shows the XBox is deeply under the influence of PCs.

Halo was supposed to be a RTS for PC and MAC but was then turned into a tactical 3rd person shooter and planned for PC and "next-gen" (DC, PS2) consoles and eventually turned into a 1st person shooter planned for PC-only and finally into a Xbox (timed) exclusive FPS when MS bought Bungie.

Here's an add for Halo advertising the Nvidia GeForce 2 GTS (when it was still planned for PC):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLg7jSHT20

Computers were originally created for use by the military. I don't know why you guys are using them to post on here, it's clear they're not meant to be used this way.

Zlychop wasn't designed to post threads.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X

The Taito Type X is an arcade gaming system released by Taito Corporation and it's based on X86 PC.

Taito Type X3
OS: Windows Embedded Standard 7 64bit / Windows XP Embedded SP3 32bit
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
Chipset: Intel Q67 express
Graphic: AMD RADEON HD 6770
Sound: 7.1ch HD AUDIO
Memory: DDR3 2GB
Storage: HDD 160GB (2.5 inches)
USB: USB3.0 × 2 group + USB2.0 × 2 group
Network: 1Gbit/s × 2 port
Serial: 1 port
Power Supply: 600W

ronvalencia

Next Xbox/PS specs right there (except replace Intel with AMD or PowerPC).

From http://www.psx-sense.nl/89207/exclusief-talloze-informatie-over-de-playstation-4-inclusief-specificaties/

The leaked Sony PS4 has Radeon HD 7850 level GPU which blows away Taito Type X3's Radeon HD 6770.

AMD Fusion APU Codename Liverpool
Quad Core AMD x86 @ 3.2 GHz
ATI r10xx @ 800 MHz en 1843 GFLOPS
2GB Unified memory (?? 4GB)
Blu-ray
HDMI 1.4 1080p output
320GB+ HDD
16GB Flash Memory

------------

From http://www.techpowerup.com/172312/AMD-quot-Oland-quot-Radeon-HD-8800-Series-SKUs-Unveiled.html

Except for 64bit double precision maths, Radeon HD 8850 has similar compute power as Radeon HD 7950 Boost Edition. AMD plans to replace Radeon HD 7850 with Radeon HD 8850.

Sony and MS may need to revise thier plans with AMD's new GPUs.

Those links tell me nothing untill the specs are actually confirmed by MS or Sony.

And even if they would use a high-end GPU/CPU/APU sollution it would still likely be cut-down for console format (128-bit memory interface, less ROPs, ect.).

Those links tell me nothing untill the specs are actually confirmed by MS or Sony.

And even if they would use a high-end GPU/CPU/APU sollution it would still likely be cut-down for console format (128-bit memory interface, less ROPs, ect.).

nameless12345

GDDR6 in 2014 http://vr-zone.com/articles/gddr6-memory-coming-in-2014/16359.html

AMD Kaveri APU already has Radeon HD 7750 level GPU(8 CUs). AMD Liverpool APU seems to be 16 CUs version.

PS; GDDR standard was created ATI(now AMD) and AMD's memory team is hard at work for GDDR6.

No standardized hardware? I see that you have never built a gaming PC.

No standardized hardware? I see that you have never built a gaming PC.

parkurtommo

he IS a pc gamer...i played bf3 with him...he trolled off of gamespot too

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

No standardized hardware? I see that you have never built a gaming PC.

wis3boi

he IS a pc gamer...i played bf3 with him...he trolled off of gamespot too

So he's just one big fat troll?

Hmm, makes sense now...

Zlychop wasn't designed to post threads.

wis3boi

Beat me to it :P

I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.steely_e

Now that's hating something.

Wow. Nine pages to a troll thread. Hermits are too easy.

Of course they weren't. However, newer computers are designed with gaming in mind. They don't stick to the old designs zlychop, otherwise we'd still be utilizing old-school CRT monitors with horrendous PC designs.

I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.steely_e

I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.steely_e

You're a bit sad, new account, which seems totally legit.

I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.steely_e

what don't you like about it?

[QUOTE="steely_e"]I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.MrYaotubo

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Halo CE revolutionized FPS on the PC

OB-47

Way to generalise one of the most important FPS games, regardless of platform.

Halo is right up there with the PC greats like Quake. Even the very PC style game Crysis was influenced by Halo.

Halo did a lot of big things for gaming, and small things. It definitely made a bigger impact on console shooters, but many FPS on the PC also were influenced by it.

This thread shoud win the Darwin award. I guess all those pricey videocards THAT SMASH PUNY CONSOLES were designed for spreadsheets?

CHICKEN

if you want games get a 3ds,wii and wii u those were designed for gaming

free_milk

designed for little kiddies is more like it.

Console hardware is always 2 steps behind in the game of catch up they like to play with PC, for instance developers are asking for more memory in next gen consoles so that they can make bigger games to a higher standard like what is already possible right now and years prior to now, on PC. Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time, even most of the ones that where designed for consoles still end up better on PC.

Therefor, it doesnt matter weather computers were designed for gaming or not, what matters to me is that computers do gaming better than consoles do gaming. Moreover, a gamers PC is called a "gaming PC" for a reason: It was designed to play games.

pelvist

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="steely_e"]I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.p4s2p0

Show us these "groundbreaking" differences the PC has over the current consoles, the difference isn't that big when AA/AF are excluded. Lets face it, your highly powered DX11 card won't be used until the CONSOLES decided its time to be used. Consoles dictated the PC future, gaming wise.Zlychop

Console graphics are no better than my calculator if I just exclude everything. What a stupid argument :?

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]So how about you do that, instead of arguing against points I've never made?

psymon100

You generalised Halo's negatively. I tried to prove that it is actually a very important game in terms of influence and importance. You then claim that I am a fanboy (well you heavily implied it) and then I proved I wasn't.

Then you diverted the arguement to something along the lines of 'it's just a forum discussion' and that I shouldn't get all fussed about one forum users opinion

I've tried to stay on topic as you continue to divert away from the point.

Your sequence of events is what I saw too.

I can agree about the example of Halo, I remember back in the day that 4 player split screen FPS which was never before seen on a console. Oh wait, GoldenEye on N64. Well anyway, it was still awesome beyond belief for an FPS on a console. Here is a different description to OB-47's guy, it's under #5.

Goldeneye and Halo, both remembered for revolutionizing FPS.

Can't think of an FPS on PC that will be remembered many years from now :/

Don't say Counter Strike that game is far from original, its generic with pretty good gameplay for the competitive scene.

Consoles originate PCs imitate.

[QUOTE="pelvist"]

Console hardware is always 2 steps behind in the game of catch up they like to play with PC, for instance developers are asking for more memory in next gen consoles so that they can make bigger games to a higher standard like what is already possible right now and years prior to now, on PC. Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time, even most of the ones that where designed for consoles still end up better on PC.

Therefor, it doesnt matter weather computers were designed for gaming or not, what matters to me is that computers do gaming better than consoles do gaming. Moreover, a gamers PC is called a "gaming PC" for a reason: It was designed to play games.

Zlychop

[QUOTE="pelvist"]

Console hardware is always 2 steps behind in the game of catch up they like to play with PC, for instance developers are asking for more memory in next gen consoles so that they can make bigger games to a higher standard like what is already possible right now and years prior to now, on PC. Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time, even most of the ones that where designed for consoles still end up better on PC.

Therefor, it doesnt matter weather computers were designed for gaming or not, what matters to me is that computers do gaming better than consoles do gaming. Moreover, a gamers PC is called a "gaming PC" for a reason: It was designed to play games.

Zlychop

Playing games with kb/m is a bore. Give me gamepad every time. Other then that, PC gaming is great but only if you have a good enough gamepad

4dr1el

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

You generalised Halo's negatively. I tried to prove that it is actually a very important game in terms of influence and importance. You then claim that I am a fanboy (well you heavily implied it) and then I proved I wasn't.

Then you diverted the arguement to something along the lines of 'it's just a forum discussion' and that I shouldn't get all fussed about one forum users opinion

I've tried to stay on topic as you continue to divert away from the point.

Zlychop

Your sequence of events is what I saw too.

I can agree about the example of Halo, I remember back in the day that 4 player split screen FPS which was never before seen on a console. Oh wait, GoldenEye on N64. Well anyway, it was still awesome beyond belief for an FPS on a console. Here is a different description to OB-47's guy, it's under #5.

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

Playing games with kb/m is a bore. Give me gamepad every time. Other then that, PC gaming is great but only if you have a good enough gamepad

Zlychop

Why? Gamepads have been available forever... As well as alternative control schemes, such as, the joystick.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

You generalised Halo's negatively. I tried to prove that it is actually a very important game in terms of influence and importance. You then claim that I am a fanboy (well you heavily implied it) and then I proved I wasn't.

Then you diverted the arguement to something along the lines of 'it's just a forum discussion' and that I shouldn't get all fussed about one forum users opinion

I've tried to stay on topic as you continue to divert away from the point.

Zlychop

Your sequence of events is what I saw too.

I can agree about the example of Halo, I remember back in the day that 4 player split screen FPS which was never before seen on a console. Oh wait, GoldenEye on N64. Well anyway, it was still awesome beyond belief for an FPS on a console. Here is a different description to OB-47's guy, it's under #5.

Goldeneye and Halo, both remembered for revolutionizing FPS.

Can't think of an FPS on PC that will be remembered many years from now :/

Don't say Counter Strike that game is far from original, its generic with pretty good gameplay for the competitive scene.

Consoles originate PCs imitate.

HAHAHA only the unwashed console mass thought that about golden eye and Halo. PC gamers already experienced the pinnacle of FPS , HALFLIFE.

consoles couldn't even run full fledged FPS which is why they got golden eye and Halo which were very subpar compared to PC FPS.

I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.steely_e

[QUOTE="steely_e"]I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.Zlychop

except they dont

Yup, PCs were designed to make games 8)abuabed

Keyboard and Mouse is unhealthy for gaming.

[QUOTE="abuabed"]Yup, PCs were designed to make games 8)Zlychop

Keyboard and Mouse is unhealthy for gaming.

Go to town.

A study on injuries caused by all gaming devices.

[QUOTE="steely_e"]I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.lundy86_4

You're a bit sad, new account, which seems totally legit.

This thread shoud win the Darwin award. I guess all those pricey videocards THAT SMASH PUNY CONSOLES were designed for spreadsheets?

percuvius2

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="steely_e"]I hate PC gaming. I mean really hate it. If the only games were on PC I wouldn't even bother.Zlychop

You're a bit sad, new account, which seems totally legit.

I've done it once. In fact, just this time :lol:

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

[QUOTE="abuabed"]Yup, PCs were designed to make games 8)lundy86_4

Keyboard and Mouse is unhealthy for gaming.

Go to town.

A study on injuries caused by all gaming devices.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="pelvist"]

Console hardware is always 2 steps behind in the game of catch up they like to play with PC, for instance developers are asking for more memory in next gen consoles so that they can make bigger games to a higher standard like what is already possible right now and years prior to now, on PC. Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time, even most of the ones that where designed for consoles still end up better on PC.

Therefor, it doesnt matter weather computers were designed for gaming or not, what matters to me is that computers do gaming better than consoles do gaming. Moreover, a gamers PC is called a "gaming PC" for a reason: It was designed to play games.

gameofthering

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Your sequence of events is what I saw too.

I can agree about the example of Halo, I remember back in the day that 4 player split screen FPS which was never before seen on a console. Oh wait, GoldenEye on N64. Well anyway, it was still awesome beyond belief for an FPS on a console. Here is a different description to OB-47's guy, it's under #5.

percuvius2

Goldeneye and Halo, both remembered for revolutionizing FPS.

Can't think of an FPS on PC that will be remembered many years from now :/

Don't say Counter Strike that game is far from original, its generic with pretty good gameplay for the competitive scene.

Consoles originate PCs imitate.

HAHAHA only the unwashed console mass thought that about golden eye and Halo. PC gamers already experienced the pinnacle of FPS , HALFLIFE.

consoles couldn't even run full fledged FPS which is why they got golden eye and Halo which were very subpar compared to PC FPS.