What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. blackaceNo, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.
Console gaming> PC?
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]You just shot yourself there. Ordering it online means you got it somewhere. As for the Christmas present, like I said, unlikely given the target age bracket (young adult male), plus there's always mail order.HuusAskingNo I didn't. The hypthetical person we're talking about had to borrow a laptop from a friend in order to order it online, and that friend died from crabs. Therefore he can no longer shop online.Then we'll take the Christmas argument. There's still mail order. And all that calls for is a phone--not even that if you were really pushing it into the sticks. This person has no phone. Its not unheard of for people not to have phones nowadays. Even if this man did have a phone, how do you know he has a phone book. Better yet, what if he can't afford the long distance call if theres no mail order store near him?
[QUOTE="blackace"]more and more people are buying laptops you can't take a concole on plane can you?[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]All the same, I will point out one aspect where console gaming has a clear edge: offline (perhaps I should call it social)multiplayer. By this, I mean say four guys crashing together at a bud's house for a round of Madden and in-your-face name-calling. For some, nothing beats it, and before you say you can plug the PC into it...one, most PC games don't do multiple controllers too cleanly, and second, what if the only PC in the house is all tied up in the office...or doesn't have a TV Out (mine doesn't, and it's a 9800GTX--a lot of dual-DVI cards don't sport a TV Out)?blackdreamhunk
They are called handheld systems and yes, you can take them on the plane with you. You can even network them and play against other people around the world too. Isn't technology amazing? ;)
hand hold games can't compete with a pc. They are worse than a concole game machine. These days pohnes are beating the hand held games soon you will see those hand held die out too.There are like 25 million DS Lites all over the world. I don't think handheld systems are going anywhere anytime soon. No one said anything about handheld's competing with PC's. Where did that come from? lol!! Handhelds are like mini game consoles. The PSP is basically a PS2/PS1 portable. Phone games are more popular in Japan and other Asian countries then anywhere else in the world. It's not that popular in the U.S.
By the way the gpu market is owned by pc. The makers of gpu will want to see the computer market more happy than the concole market. Cahnces are thry would screw over the concole market more than pc market that being their hard income. Concoles need the cpu and gpu's to stay aflout.
That pretty much goes for any hardware too as well.
I didn't say its "becomming harder to use than PCs". I said "It is becomming harder to use". No matter what you say this is an undeniable fact. At the same time I said, "PCs are becomming easier to use". This is illustrated by practically everything on the PC becomming automated. These are the two primary statements in my post, which can be illustrated by clear examples. "The consoles are becomming harder to use while the PC is becomming easier to use". It has almost reached an equillibrium, and if you want to complain about the PC it is basically becomming a crumb counting game. "OMG A ONE MINUTE EXTRA DELAY!"[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]It's not becoming harder to use then a PC. Patches and installs on consoles are automatic. Put the game in the patch automatically comes up. You hit "X" or "A" and away it goes. There are different SKU's, but compared to how many different PC configurations there are out there, 2-3 consoles SKU's are not that confusing. That's still his opinion. Console gaming has evolved. Sure the PS3 is a more complex machine then the NES, but the purpose is still the same. Throw a game into the system and play. Nothing hard about that. blackace
What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?
The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact.
Vista is more user friendly than XP is.....
And yes, what he is saying is a fact. PC's have become easier to use, while consoles have become more complex. Not EQUAL or more difficult to use than PC's (how many times do we have to tell you this?).
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]I will provide the links so I can just shut you up.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_game_industry
PC Gaming market was only worth $1 billion in the U.S. and 3.8 billion worldwide in 2007. The console gaming market made 17.9 billion in 2007 in the U.S. alone. Worldwide it was 41.9 billion.
So who's the idiot now? :lol:
trix5817
You are for relying on a public wiki than official DFC figures, simply because the wiki is in your favour.
PC Gaming market was only worth $1 billion in the U.S. and 3.8 billion worldwide in 2007.
blackace
DFC Intelligence states 2007 US PC game revenues were $2.76 billion, with a worldwide game revenue of $8.3 billion.
Dude.. Console gaming is $17 billion in the U.S. alone in 2007. So even if you added those worldwide figures together console gaming is STILL OWNING PC gaming. That was the point of the post. That $8.3 billion is probably including subscription costs as well.
You do realize that your putting 3 systems up against 1 right?
You do realize that PC hardware sales are not included in those figures right?
You do realize that console hardware sales ARE included in those figures right?
I realize that. XBox Live subscriptio and downloadable content revenue from the Wii, PS3 and 360 aren't in those figures either. :roll: Even if you took the hardware figures out and use just the software figures it would still be beating PC gaming software figures. The $17 billion was only in the U.S. while the PC figures were worldwide. Seriously, do the math.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]You just shot yourself there. Ordering it online means you got it somewhere. As for the Christmas present, like I said, unlikely given the target age bracket (young adult male), plus there's always mail order.VandalvideoNo I didn't. The hypthetical person we're talking about had to borrow a laptop from a friend in order to order it online, and that friend died from crabs. Therefore he can no longer shop online.Then we'll take the Christmas argument. There's still mail order. And all that calls for is a phone--not even that if you were really pushing it into the sticks. This person has no phone. Its not unheard of for people not to have phones nowadays. Even if this man did have a phone, how do you know he has a phone book. Better yet, what if he can't afford the long distance call if theres no mail order store near him?I repeat--"not even that if you were really pushing it..." As in all you need is an order form and a stamp. And even apartments, dorm rooms, and rural residences have addresses (I know because I once lived in a rural college). And don't consoles come with parts catalogs?
[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]
the concoles are limiting every game dev knows it. Those controls can't produce mods and gaming content. let alone talking to your budies. By the way Pc is alos cutting edge for playing on line with people
clone01
not everyone cares about mods.
Ok....I can say that about anything pretaining to consoles also, so I don't really get your point.
Mods are huge. They can be minor changes to a game, add things such as maps, skins, weapons, etc, etc, or be an entirely NEW GAME. I'd say their kind of a big deal....
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="blackace"]No thats fact. There really wasn't anything I said in there that was opinion.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]That's your opinion. Now convince the millions of gamers who are playing console games instead of PC games. Good luck.HuusAsking
"Console gaming is becomming harder to use while PC gaming is becomming easier to use. Its almost reached some kind of equillivrium at this point."
That's an opinion. I can probably pull 20 people off the street that would say the complete opposite.
No...actually, it's a fact. Consoles are becoming more complicated, while PC's are becoming less complicated. While them being at an equilibrium is an opinion, the first point is right. You cannot deny this.
But PC gaming still isn't turnkey easy yet.Ok. Thanks. I never said it was.
[QUOTE="blackace"]I'm not changing my arguement. People are creating new topics and I'm responding to them. You expected me to stay on the same "game consoles owning PC gaming in sales" topic? I've already proved my point on that and have moved on.
AnnoyedDragon
Proved it only in your mind it seems, regardless you seem to be going after a variety of arguments and abandoning the old ones when they prove fruitless. That you think you won the previous argument while not tackling the counter arguments just goes to show you are looking for different stones to throw.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
I repeat--"not even that if you were reallypushing it..." As in all you need is an order form and a stamp. And even apartments, dorm rooms, and rural residences have addresses (I know because I once lived in a rural college). And don't consoles come with parts catalogsHuusAskingWhat if you don't have a postal service? I didn't have one when I lived in Belgium over the last few months. I'm pushing this to prove a point. You can throw out as many hypotheticals as you want, but the PC can be just as social of a platform as a consoles. As a matter of fact, the PC can be played in the same room with a large ammount of people. If you don't have computers, you can go to an internet cafe. If there isn't one near you, you can drive to one. If you're too lazy or don't want to spend the money, you can just rent some computers from some shop. (Done it before). There are endless options available to you.
[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]I'm not changing my arguement. People are creating new topics and I'm responding to them. You expected me to stay on the same "game consoles owning PC gaming in sales" topic? I've already proved my point on that and have moved on.
blackace
Proved it only in your mind it seems, regardless you seem to be going after a variety of arguments and abandoning the old ones when they prove fruitless. That you think you won the previous argument while not tackling the counter arguments just goes to show you are looking for different stones to throw.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
so we HAVE to prove you wrong with links..even common sence dosent count??
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]I repeat--"not even that if you were reallypushing it..." As in all you need is an order form and a stamp. And even apartments, dorm rooms, and rural residences have addresses (I know because I once lived in a rural college). And don't consoles come with parts catalogsVandalvideoWhat if you don't have a postal service? I didn't have one when I lived in Belgium over the last few months. I'm pushing this to prove a point. You can throw out as many hypotheticals as you want, but the PC can be just as social of a platform as a consoles. As a matter of fact, the PC can be played in the same room with a large ammount of people. If you don't have computers, you can go to an internet cafe. If there isn't one near you, you can drive to one. If you're too lazy or don't want to spend the money, you can just rent some computers from some shop. (Done it before). There are endless options available to you.And all your arguing doesn't take away from the undeniable fact that consoles are much easier for a single-location online situation where multiplayer games like football games, SSBB, and the like, that only require one unit, a few extra controllers, and a few neighborhood friends/dormmates to work. The barrier of entry is simply too low, and anything else you throw in simply and inevitably raises that barrier by adding more assumptions than it takes away. If you don't believe me, why else is the Wii doing so well? Why does Madden sell so well in the US year after year (and soccer/football games similarly in the rest of the world)? Why is SSBB such a hot ticket?
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]I'm not changing my arguement. People are creating new topics and I'm responding to them. You expected me to stay on the same "game consoles owning PC gaming in sales" topic? I've already proved my point on that and have moved on.
Pinkyimp
Proved it only in your mind it seems, regardless you seem to be going after a variety of arguments and abandoning the old ones when they prove fruitless. That you think you won the previous argument while not tackling the counter arguments just goes to show you are looking for different stones to throw.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
so we HAVE to prove you wrong with links..even common sence dosent count??
No, because common sense isn't common to everyone.The $17 billion was only in the U.S. while the PC figures were worldwide. Seriously, do the math.
blackace
Did you just completely ignore our past responses? 30% of all US game revenue is from the PC gaming market, you should be glad PC gaming related hardware sales is not included in that.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
blackace
You used a public wiki, we used official DFC figures, stop acting like your figures are from some sort of authority.
[QUOTE="blackace"]What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. VandalvideoNo, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree.
[QUOTE="blackace"]The $17 billion was only in the U.S. while the PC figures were worldwide. Seriously, do the math.
AnnoyedDragon
Did you just completely ignore our past responses? 30% of all US game revenue is from the PC gaming market, you should be glad PC gaming related hardware sales is not included in that.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
blackace
You used a public wiki, we used official DFC figures, stop acting like your figures are from some sort of authority.
And that's not including the fact that the proportion of PC sales increases when you leave Japan and the US.No, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. blackace
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree.
here is a link I can find alot morehttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/industry-revenue-57-billion-in-2009-says-dfc
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]I'm not changing my arguement. People are creating new topics and I'm responding to them. You expected me to stay on the same "game consoles owning PC gaming in sales" topic? I've already proved my point on that and have moved on.
Pinkyimp
Proved it only in your mind it seems, regardless you seem to be going after a variety of arguments and abandoning the old ones when they prove fruitless. That you think you won the previous argument while not tackling the counter arguments just goes to show you are looking for different stones to throw.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
so we HAVE to prove you wrong with links..even common sence dosent count??
I provided figures. What does common sense have to do with sales figures between console games and PC game sales?
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT.
blackace
The hypocrisy is legendary, people who have kept track of your posts in this thread must be falling out of their chairs.
[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]if you want I can give links to back up all my facts. I have high creability even help guys like obama outblackace
Ok. Show me worldwide figures for 2007 showing that PC gaming sales were greater then console gaming sofware sales. Good luck.
Go back three or four posts.The top platform for games in 2007 was the PC, with online game revenue alone eclipsing USD 7 billion last year, not including retail sales. Total PC game revenue is expected to reach USD 19 billion by 2013.The Aforementioned Article
[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]I'm not changing my arguement. People are creating new topics and I'm responding to them. You expected me to stay on the same "game consoles owning PC gaming in sales" topic? I've already proved my point on that and have moved on.
blackace
Proved it only in your mind it seems, regardless you seem to be going after a variety of arguments and abandoning the old ones when they prove fruitless. That you think you won the previous argument while not tackling the counter arguments just goes to show you are looking for different stones to throw.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
so we HAVE to prove you wrong with links..even common sence dosent count??
I provided figures. What does common sense have to do with sales figures between console games and PC game sales?
here is more facts on the tablehttp://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/sony-has-lost-over-3-billion-on-the-ps3/1223467
http://www.hunterstrat.com/news/2007/07/05/microsoft-takes-1-billion-charge-over-xbox-360-defect-fix/
Ok. Show me worldwide figures for 2007 showing that PC gaming sales were greater then console gaming sofware sales. Good luck.
blackace
You're doing it again, lumping three platforms together and comparing them to one.
And all your arguing doesn't take away from the undeniable fact that consoles are much easier for a single-location online situation where multiplayer games like football games, SSBB, and the like, that only require one unit, a few extra controllers, and a few neighborhood friends/dormmates to work. The barrier of entry is simply too low, and anything else you throw in simply and inevitably raises that barrier by adding more assumptions than it takes away. If you don't believe me, why else is the Wii doing so well? Why does Madden sell so well in the US year after year (and soccer/football games similarly in the rest of the world)? Why is SSBB such a hot ticket?HuusAskingAh, but your original arguement wasn't about ease, it was that consoles are strictly "better" for providing single-location online multiplayer. You even tried to argue the PC couldn't do it. Stop trying to change your arguement now.
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree. blackaceWhether you cover your ears and close your eyes has little impact on the fact of the matter. Everything I've said is 100% factually correct.
[QUOTE="blackace"]The $17 billion was only in the U.S. while the PC figures were worldwide. Seriously, do the math.
AnnoyedDragon
Did you just completely ignore our past responses? 30% of all US game revenue is from the PC gaming market, you should be glad PC gaming related hardware sales is not included in that.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
blackace
You used a public wiki, we used official DFC figures, stop acting like your figures are from some sort of authority.
You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]And all your arguing doesn't take away from the undeniable fact that consoles are much easier for a single-location online situation where multiplayer games like football games, SSBB, and the like, that only require one unit, a few extra controllers, and a few neighborhood friends/dormmates to work. The barrier of entry is simply too low, and anything else you throw in simply and inevitably raises that barrier by adding more assumptions than it takes away. If you don't believe me, why else is the Wii doing so well? Why does Madden sell so well in the US year after year (and soccer/football games similarly in the rest of the world)? Why is SSBB such a hot ticket?VandalvideoAh, but your original arguement wasn't about ease, it was that consoles are strictly "better" for providing single-location online multiplayer. You even tried to argue the PC couldn't do it. Stop trying to change your arguement now.You're the one who's changing the argument. My actual argument was precisely what you so succinctly stated just now--that consoles provider a better experience for single-location multiplayer.
All the same, I will point out one aspect where console gaming has a clear edge: offline (perhaps I should call it social)multiplayer. By this, I mean say four guys crashing together at a bud's house for a round of Madden and in-your-face name-calling. For some, nothing beats it, and before you say you can plug the PC into it...one, most PC games don't do multiple controllers too cleanly, and second, what if the only PC in the house is all tied up in the office...or doesn't have a TV Out (mine doesn't, and it's a 9800GTX--a lot of dual-DVI cards don't sport a TV Out)?HuusAsking originally
Note the key word "edge".
[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]You salso know that the gaming also includes other countires too right!!! Pc is more widely using than your concoleThe $17 billion was only in the U.S. while the PC figures were worldwide. Seriously, do the math.
blackace
Did you just completely ignore our past responses? 30% of all US game revenue is from the PC gaming market, you should be glad PC gaming related hardware sales is not included in that.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
blackace
You used a public wiki, we used official DFC figures, stop acting like your figures are from some sort of authority.
You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
you know that the game industry is alot bigger than just us right. there is canda eourpe china japan and some other smaller countriesYou used blogs, though. Not valid, either. 14% of the gaming market, considering this includes about 5 consoles and a few handhelds, is a pretty good slice of the pie.You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
blackace
[QUOTE="blackace"]No, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. blackdreamhunk
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree.
here is a link I can find alot morehttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/industry-revenue-57-billion-in-2009-says-dfc
What does that prove. :lol: The whole U.S. Gaming industry will make $57 billion in 2009, which I mentioned earlier on in one of my posts. PC online gaming will make $7 billion in revenue in the U.S. I already knew this. How does that equate to what the game consoles over the PC in 2009?
You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
blackace
No now you are using sensationalist news sites and blogs, the type that love to put out purposely misinterpreting stories of PC gaming being dead.
Get it into your head; no amount of Wiki, blogs, or hits grabbing news sites can replace a highly respected industry analyst.
[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="blackace"]No, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. blackace
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree.
here is a link I can find alot morehttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/industry-revenue-57-billion-in-2009-says-dfc
What does that prove. :lol: The whole U.S. Gaming industry will make $57 billion in 2009, which I mentioned earlier on in one of my posts. PC online gaming will make $7 billion in revenue in the U.S. I already knew this. How does that equate to what the game consoles over the PC in 2009?
I like you creability you facts are worthless I think you need do a little more reasch[QUOTE="blackace"]You used blogs, though. Not valid, either. 14% of the gaming market, considering this includes about 5 consoles and a few handhelds, is a pretty good slice of the pie.You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
HuusAsking
LMAO!! I didn't use blogs. This was an official article. It was on many different websites. The information original came from the NPD.
You're the one who's changing the argument. My actual argument was precisely what you so succinctly stated just now--that consoles provider a better experience for single-location multiplayer.HuusAskingMake up your mind. Better or easier, which is it. And if its so much better, why?
But what if none of your buddies have compuers?HuusAsking
Then you must be living in a place in the world where you are among the richest in the community. You could probably find computers that could play Quake in the dumpster of an office building.
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]You salso know that the gaming also includes other countires too right!!! Pc is more widely using than your concoleThe $17 billion was only in the U.S. while the PC figures were worldwide. Seriously, do the math.
blackdreamhunk
Did you just completely ignore our past responses? 30% of all US game revenue is from the PC gaming market, you should be glad PC gaming related hardware sales is not included in that.
Meh. I proved my point. I provided the links. I'm not going to continue an arguement when the other people haven't proving me wrong with any links.
blackace
You used a public wiki, we used official DFC figures, stop acting like your figures are from some sort of authority.
You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
you know that the game industry is alot bigger than just us right. there is canda eourpe china japan and some other smaller countriesThat's true. Go and find those figures for me for 2007 and post them with links.
[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="blackace"]No, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. blackdreamhunk
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree.
here is a link I can find alot morehttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/industry-revenue-57-billion-in-2009-says-dfc
What does that prove. :lol: The whole U.S. Gaming industry will make $57 billion in 2009, which I mentioned earlier on in one of my posts. PC online gaming will make $7 billion in revenue in the U.S. I already knew this. How does that equate to what the game consoles over the PC in 2009?
I like you creability you facts are worthless I think you need do a little more reaschMy figures came from NPD. You link is legit, but it doesn't prove that PC gaming is making more then console gaming in the U.S. or worldwide. That's why I'm looking for. Keep researching.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But what if none of your buddies have compuers?foxhound_fox
Then you must be living in a place in the world where you are among the richest in the community. You could probably find computers that could play Quake in the dumpster of an office building. right nwo the biggest concerns are having access to internet for the poor. If the poor doesn't have access to internet they maybe left behind when comes to information and technoglies. Food is also another major factor
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="blackace"]You used blogs, though. Not valid, either. 14% of the gaming market, considering this includes about 5 consoles and a few handhelds, is a pretty good slice of the pie.You do know that the $17 Billion doesn't include PC Gaming at all right? Like I said, go and do some research. Also PC gaming only makes up 14% of U.S. gaming revenue in 2007, not 30%. See for yourself.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50939
Stop pulling figures out of your @#$.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/pc-games-hit-ma.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/28/pc-game-sales-only-14-of-industry-in-2007/
I'm not using Wikia this time. :lol:
blackace
LMAO!! I didn't use blogs. This was an official article. It was on many different websites. The information original came from the NPD.
Here's something you oughta know. NPD has admitted that any revenues it has concerning PCs is incomplete because it is impossible for them to properly gague figures from online sales. And now, this from Valve, who runs the Steam system: online downloads of their games are taking up an ever-increasing percentage of their overall sales. When you put two and two together, you have to realize that what NPD is reporting (and they admit to it) is but part of the whole. And if just the part of the PC industry they can measure is more than enough to take it beyond equal share of the entire industry, what do you think will happen if the remainder were to be figured in?[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="blackace"]No, what I'm saying is 100% fact. "Consoles are becomming harder to use while PCs are becomming easier to use". That statement is 100% accurate, and I've provided evidence to back both of those statements up. It is beginning to reach a sort of equillibrium, as many of the problems PCs used to have are now heading over to consoles. Loading games on the PC is INCREDIBLY easier than it was five years ago. All you do is hit the next button and wait 5 minutes. At the same time, consoles are beginning to have mandatory installations as disc media can't properly store the games and have to parse it from the HDD. THese are the facts. Consoles are becomming HARDER to use while PCs are becomming EASIER to use. I haven't stated yet that PCs are easier to use than consoles. I've merely established these two facts. PCs aren't anywhere near as hard as they used to be a few years ago. They are becomming astronomically easier to use as practically everything has become completely automated. These are all facts.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="blackace"]What you are saying is NOT A FACT. I think PC are still tough to use for any person who has never used a PC. VISTA was a mess and you're telling me new PC users would be able to handle a PC with Vista on it easier then XP? There are a lot of new applications on PC now and none of them are any easier to use then they were 5yrs ago. Working a PC is still complex. Loading games on a PC isn't much easier. Have you loaded a game that uses STEAM lately? Yikes. There were several games that had issues using STEAM. That's easier?The only complex thing the game console have really received is online gaming and download content. There are now lots of menus to sift through to find what you want to download or view. For some people consoles make not be as easy to use are when they were playing the NES or Genesis, but I don't think that's the opinion of everyone and that's my point. You believe that PC's are becoming easier and console are becoming tougher, but a lot of people who have played both aren't going to think the same way. This is why I said it's a opinion and not a fact. blackace
In your mind it's 100% accurate. As long as other people don't believe that, it's not FACT. I don't think PC's are becoming easier to use. So that's 100% accurate and a fact right. :roll: See my point? Just because you say so doesn't make it a FACT. There are people who believe that opposite of what you are saying for other reasons. M$ Vista O/S was not easier to use then XP. Even the MS Office applications have become more complex. So has e-mail and other applications. I don't think PC's are easier to use. Game console may have become harder to use for some people, but for people who have played console games over the last 20 years, it's no more complex as when they played the Atari 2600. So it's not a FACT, it's an opinion. You believe one thing and other people may not agree.
here is a link I can find alot morehttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/industry-revenue-57-billion-in-2009-says-dfc
What does that prove. :lol: The whole U.S. Gaming industry will make $57 billion in 2009, which I mentioned earlier on in one of my posts. PC online gaming will make $7 billion in revenue in the U.S. I already knew this. How does that equate to what the game consoles over the PC in 2009?
I like you creability you facts are worthless I think you need do a little more reaschMy figures came from NPD. You link is legit, but it doesn't prove that PC gaming is making more then console gaming in the U.S. or worldwide. That's why I'm looking for. Keep researching.
that's kind of funny because both sony and micro soft were saying that they may abandon concole market because it's not profitable....I wonder why they would say such a thing if concoles were doing so goodthat's kind of funny because both sony and micro soft were saying that they may abandon concole market because it's not profitable....I wonder why they would say such a thing if concoles were doing so goodblackdreamhunkI'd like to see the link where they say that. Sony's in it long-term so as to penetrate the living room and gain a secure market. Microsoft is in it as long as Sony is in it since living room penetration could lead to an intrusion in the software market--Microsoft's cash cow.
Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.
ShimmerMan
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