Console logic applied elsewhere=foolish

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Lets apply that logic elsewhere shall we?

A large variety of people own/want a smart phones that cost anywhere from $300 to $500 straight up, or $100 to $200 with a monthly fee of at least $50 (lets assume you bought it with a plan)

The alternative would be:

A $50 normal cellphone (texting and calling, that's it) that's much cheaper with a much cheaper monthly bill

An dedicated MP3 player (lets pick one with a hardrive comparable to a smart phone, that's around $100)

For mobile iinternet, you would either have to change the above MP3 into a $300 Ipod touch or similar internet/MP3 device, or lug around a laptop (I won't include its cost, I'll just hypothetically assume you already have a laptop).

That's $450 for three inferior, limited devices (except for possibly the laptop, but that's waay bigger and less convenient than a little smarphone, and doesn't feature calling, phone texting etc...)

Or, you could $200 up front and $50-100 a month (or $400 to $500 and get a plan later) for an all in one, conveneient device.

Most people today will choose the superior convenince and higher price of a smartphone. But then why are people less likely to choose superior convenience with an equal or slightly higher price of a gaming PC over a home console + utility PC combo?

The answer, bias and ignorance. Most (note, I said "Most") non-PC-gamers know very little about the perks of PC gaming, believe ridiculous negative rumors about the platform, and have never experienced true PC gaming in order to properly judge it, and they may also lack the foresight to see that the price of a PC is not higher if you take into account cheaper games, and the fact that you are not just replacing a console, but you're non-gaming PC too.

Average Consumer:

"Ooooh coool! That's much better than my..."

But then:

"Meh, I'll stick with my..."

Fuсk off hermits.

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How many times a year do we have to see this SAME THREAD with the same arguments/counterarguments..

Come on just move on

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R3FURBISHED

Why are the TL;DR gif's always black ppl? Is there subtle racism goin' on here? :P

Fuсk off hermits.

waltefmoney

That logic applies to almost all electronics and appliances: tv's, smart phones, speakers, clocks, stereos, receivers, amps, subs, printers, scanners, etc.

In other words, the entire concept is consolites grasping at straws to find a fault in PC, the winner of 4 copnsecutive gens.;)

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R3FURBISHED

:lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol: That just killed me:lol:

On topic: In my case, I simply don't like PC gaming. I could have a gaming PC if I wanted to, but I don't want to. Simple.

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

Stalkerfieldsis

A controller comes with the system :?

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Stalkerfieldsis

Consoles have games that PC's do not. These games may appeal to certain gamers more than the PC exclusives.

This point kind of poo-poos on the rest of your post. All-in-one devices may not be what the consumer wants, as it may not have access to what that consumer wants. All-in-one media devices differ because, by-and-large they have access to very similar software (very few exclusives).

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Fuсk off hermits.

Jankarcop

That logic applies to almost all electronics and appliances: tv's, smart phones, speakers, clocks, stereos, receivers, amps, subs, printers, scanners, etc.

In other words, the entire concept is consolites grasping at straws to find a fault in PC, the winner of 4 copnsecutive gens.;)

Those who use that argument are fanboys.

How many times a year do we have to see this SAME THREAD with the same arguments/counterarguments..

Come on just move on

fueled-system

Here's the logic:

$1000-$3000 > $300

And if all you want from a phone is calls and text messages, the iPhone isn't the most rational choice.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

How many times a year do we have to see this SAME THREAD with the same arguments/counterarguments..

Come on just move on

XanderZane

You won't stop seeing this threads until the sole anti-pc arguement (of price) stops being repeated in 99% of PC threads.

Its invalid. Talk about something else.

Here's the logic:

$1000-$3000 > $300

And if all you want from a phone is calls and text messages, the iPhone isn't the most rational choice.

Basinboy

And then you have people who exaggerate the price. Its bad enough you bring price up (nothing to do w/ games), but its worse when you tripple the actual cost.

Taking a few extremists' opinions as "logic", that's not foolish at all :roll:

when are you people going to realize that some people are just cool with a 360, ps3, or a wii, they don't game or put in as much time into it like you do, so if their content with what their have, pc fanboys like to get all pissy because someone doesn't game like they do.

when are you people going to realize that some people are just cool with a 360, ps3, or a wii, they don't game or put in as much time into it like you do, so if their content with what their have, pc fanboys like to get all pissy because someone doesn't game like they do.

Chris_Williams

Nearly every thread on this board goes against what you just said.

Did you mean to click general gaming board?

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

lundy86_4

A controller comes with the system :?

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Stalkerfieldsis

Consoles have games that PC's do not. These games may appeal to certain gamers more than the PC exclusives.

This point kind of poo-poos on the rest of your post. All-in-one devices may not be what the consumer wants, as it may not have access to what that consumer wants. All-in-one media devices differ because, by-and-large they have access to very similar software (very few exclusives).

PC also has exclusives from consoles too, except that the consoles exclusives are mostly derivative (Gears/uncharted style) third and (cod/BF style) first person shooters, and hack N' slash (God of war and its clones) games. PC has mutliplat and exclusive games in those genre's too. But its real exlcusives are more exclusive because its not just an exclusive franchise, it has exclusive features or an exclusive genre altogether.

Example:

PS3: Killzone 3, just another 24 (32 for KZ2) player online with a linear stoy, God of War (Hack N' Slash, sooooooo unique:roll:). Uncharted series, lets be honest, it has (albeit well done) standard third person shooter gameplay that's very linear and its strongest point (story) isn't even gamepaly related!

Xbox 360: Halo series, basic sci fi shooter whose claim to fame as a franchise was stealing the concept of online gaming from PC and putting it on consoles successfully. Standard 24 (or is it 16?) player multiplayer, with a linear campaign. Gears of war: Campaign is normal linear affair, didn't even invent good third person cover either, Kill.switch did that. Dark/Demon Souls (for no, may go to PC), yeah, like PC doesn't hve hardcore RPG's :roll:

PC: MMO's (99% of the entire genre), RTS's (99% of the entire genre), Free-to play...well everything (99% of the gene), Arma 2 (super-large scale shooter with very unique tactical gameplay, 225 square kilometers of destructible map, player created content, the abiltiy to have over ONE HUNDRED PLAYERS) a VERY unique game. Red Orchestra 1 and 2, 64 player authentic WW2, Tribes Ascend, the original fast paced sci fi game with vehicles, accept with much bigger maps than consoles, and higher playercounts, Skyrim (yes, the greatly advanced graphics and huge amount of mods pretty much make it a different game, now with steamworks mod support so installing mods is not a hassle at all), Flight simulators (not arcade flyers, we have them too, they just aren't exclusive), true racing "simulators", GT and Forza are still fairly light games, they have realistic handling, but not really sims. Along with these truly unique exclusives, are numerous backlogs of older epic exclusives (STALKER for example) as well as console-associated genres like thirdperson action/adventure having plaenty of multiplats, where the PC version is often superior (batman Arkham series anyone?, Deus Ex 3?). Plus there are plenty of multiplat and exclusive Indie/Arcade/Downloadable titles a la Minecraft.

So yeah, consoles have exclusives, but PC has games like those exclusives and it has more meaningful and unique exclusives of its own, including entire genres.

Here's the logic:

$1000-$3000 > $300

And if all you want from a phone is calls and text messages, the iPhone isn't the most rational choice.

Basinboy

Here's my logic:

You thinking Gaming PC's cost a MINIMUM of $1000 and think its even close to necessary to pay anywhere near $3000 = you are an oblivious idiot with no real knowledge on what you're talking about.

Here is you post so its revised to be accurate:

"Here's the logic:

$800-1000 for a morep powerful all-in-one device > $700-1000 total for two inferior devices."

PC also has exclusives from consoles too, except that the consoles exclusives are mostly derivative (Gears/uncharted style) third and (cod/BF style) first person shooters, and hack N' slash (God of war and its clones) games. PC has mutliplat and exclusive games in those genre's too. But its real exlcusives are more exclusive because its not just an exclusive franchise, it has exclusive features or an exclusive genre altogether.

Stalkerfieldsis

How can the PC have games that are exclusive to a console? That makes no sense.

So yeah, consoles have exclusives, but PC has games like those exclusives and it has more meaningful and unique exclusives of its own, including entire genres.

Stalkerfieldsis

Having games like those exclusives might mean nothing to people. People enjoy specific franchises, and if they are exclusive to the console, they are going to prefer the console. That's life, and it is a good way to base your purchase. I base my purchase on what I will enjoy.

What is "meaningful" would be decided by the end-user.

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PC's have exclusives consoles don't have, and consoles have exclusives that PC's don't have. Choose which you want, or choose both. Whatever works.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

PC also has exclusives from consoles too, except that the consoles exclusives are mostly derivative (Gears/uncharted style) third and (cod/BF style) first person shooters, and hack N' slash (God of war and its clones) games. PC has mutliplat and exclusive games in those genre's too. But its real exlcusives are more exclusive because its not just an exclusive franchise, it has exclusive features or an exclusive genre altogether.

lundy86_4

How can the PC have games that are exclusive to a console? That makes no sense.

So yeah, consoles have exclusives, but PC has games like those exclusives and it has more meaningful and unique exclusives of its own, including entire genres.

Stalkerfieldsis

Having games like those exclusives means nothing to people. People enjoy specific franchises, and if they are exclusive to the console, they are going to prefer the console. That's life, and it is a good way to base your purchase. I base my purchase on what I will enjoy.

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PC's have exclusives consoles don't have, and consoles have exclusives that PC's don't have. Choose which you want, or choose both. Whatever works.

So prefering, for example: Uncharted-like games plus unique exclusives over just...well...Uncharted, is stupid? No! These exclusive games aren't really unique EXCEPT for their brand. Only tools do things JUST for the brand, you go for unique, quality products, not flashy brand names (unless that flashy brand is actually superior and unique, unlike uncharted, then go for it!) that's how you truly get the best.

So prefering, for example: Uncharted-like games plus unique exclusives over just...well...Uncharted, is stupid? No! These exclusive games aren't really unique EXCEPT for their brand. Only tools do things JUST for the brand, you go for unique, quality products, not flashy brand names (unless that flashy brand is actually superior and unique, unlike uncharted, then go for it!) that's how you truly get the best.

Stalkerfieldsis

Only tools do things for the brand? It's more than a brand. It's characters and story that are largely different from other games.

It seems to have boiled down to "what I say goes" for you.

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At the end of the day, if a person prefers the exclusives that consoles offer, then they'll buy and play on consoles. That is the smart choice. Buying something one wants rather than something they don't because it offers something that's kinda... Maybe... A little bit similar.

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Lets apply that logic elsewhere shall we?

A large variety of people own/want a smart phones that cost anywhere from $300 to $500 straight up, or $100 to $200 with a monthly fee of at least $50 (lets assume you bought it with a plan)

The alternative would be:

A $50 normal cellphone (texting and calling, that's it) that's much cheaper with a much cheaper monthly bill

An dedicated MP3 player (lets pick one with a hardrive comparable to a smart phone, that's around $100)

For mobile iinternet, you would either have to change the above MP3 into a $300 Ipod touch or similar internet/MP3 device, or lug around a laptop (I won't include its cost, I'll just hypothetically assume you already have a laptop).

That's $450 for three inferior, limited devices (except for possibly the laptop, but that's waay bigger and less convenient than a little smarphone, and doesn't feature calling, phone texting etc...)

Or, you could $200 up front and $50-100 a month (or $400 to $500 and get a plan later) for an all in one, conveneient device.

Most people today will choose the superior convenince and higher price of a smartphone. But then why are people less likely to choose superior convenience with an equal or slightly higher price of a gaming PC over a home console + utility PC combo?

The answer, bias and ignorance. Most (note, I said "Most") non-PC-gamers know very little about the perks of PC gaming, believe ridiculous negative rumors about the platform, and have never experienced true PC gaming in order to properly judge it, and they may also lack the foresight to see that the price of a PC is not higher if you take into account cheaper games, and the fact that you are not just replacing a console, but you're non-gaming PC too.

Average Consumer:

"Ooooh coool! That's much better than my..."

But then:

"Meh, I'll stick with my..."

Stalkerfieldsis

Agreed, but sadly most console noobs don't have a lick of logic and will bash this topic because they know you're right, they just get hyper defensive when it comes to their inferior "toys"

Fuсk off hermits.

waltefmoney

And this is why I call you console gamers "Noobs"
Grow up kid.

Fuсk off hermits.

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Fuсk off hermits.

Bigboi500

Another stupid ass console gamer.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Fuсk off hermits.

vtoshkatur

Another stupid ass console gamer.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]This.

Bigboi500

Another stupid ass console gamer.

How am I coward? Just cause you're dumb as hell doesn't make me a coward. It just makes you stupid.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Fuсk off hermits.

Jankarcop

That logic applies to almost all electronics and appliances: tv's, smart phones, speakers, clocks, stereos, receivers, amps, subs, printers, scanners, etc.

In other words, the entire concept is consolites grasping at straws to find a fault in PC, the winner of 4 copnsecutive gens.;)

Yes, PC is the winner. Thread still sucks.

YAWN. NEXT.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Another coward who hides behind a monitor.

Bigboi500

How am I coward? Just cause you're dumb as hell doesn't make me a coward. It just makes you stupid.

At least I have more then 2 working brain cells;)

Your logic breaks down where that Iphone does everything that other phone does plus a lot more, while that PC can't do everything a ps3 can do for me, namely games. I know you used a 360, but I'll just assume that's because you were trying to make it easier on yourself.

Your logic breaks down where that Iphone does everything that other phone does plus a lot more, while that PC can't do everything a ps3 can do for me, namely games. I know you used a 360, but I'll just assume that's because you were trying to make it easier on yourself.

Pug-Nasty

:lol:Consolite logic:lol:

Your logic breaks down where that Iphone does everything that other phone does plus a lot more, while that PC can't do everything a ps3 can do for me, namely games. I know you used a 360, but I'll just assume that's because you were trying to make it easier on yourself.

Pug-Nasty

Name a PS3 game that does something PC cannot? I DARE YOU!!!! THERE ARE NONE!! PC can do more than PS3 you tool!

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Your logic breaks down where that Iphone does everything that other phone does plus a lot more, while that PC can't do everything a ps3 can do for me, namely games. I know you used a 360, but I'll just assume that's because you were trying to make it easier on yourself.

Stalkerfieldsis

Name a PS3 game that does something PC cannot? I DARE YOU!!!! THERE ARE NONE!! PC can do more than PS3 you tool!

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]This.

Bigboi500

Another stupid ass console gamer.

What do you want him to do? Find your address, fly over there, and punch you in the face? Get real, you're being a jerk, and he's just telling you off! STFU!!

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Your logic breaks down where that Iphone does everything that other phone does plus a lot more, while that PC can't do everything a ps3 can do for me, namely games. I know you used a 360, but I'll just assume that's because you were trying to make it easier on yourself.

Stalkerfieldsis

Name a PS3 game that does something PC cannot? I DARE YOU!!!! THERE ARE NONE!! PC can do more than PS3 you tool!

Sure. Uncharted. It can be made by Naughty Dog and be called Uncharted.

What do I win?

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

when are you people going to realize that some people are just cool with a 360, ps3, or a wii, they don't game or put in as much time into it like you do, so if their content with what their have, pc fanboys like to get all pissy because someone doesn't game like they do.

Jankarcop

Nearly every thread on this board goes against what you just said.

Did you mean to click general gaming board?

TC needs to realise that "logic" and "console gamers" are two things that don't go together.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Your logic breaks down where that Iphone does everything that other phone does plus a lot more, while that PC can't do everything a ps3 can do for me, namely games. I know you used a 360, but I'll just assume that's because you were trying to make it easier on yourself.

Pug-Nasty

Name a PS3 game that does something PC cannot? I DARE YOU!!!! THERE ARE NONE!! PC can do more than PS3 you tool!

Sure. Uncharted. It can be made by Naughty Dog and be called Uncharted.

What do I win?

No you lose

My old 9800 gt could produce 100 fold better graphics then Uncharted. Try again.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Name a PS3 game that does something PC cannot? I DARE YOU!!!! THERE ARE NONE!! PC can do more than PS3 you tool!

vtoshkatur

Sure. Uncharted. It can be made by Naughty Dog and be called Uncharted.

What do I win?

No you lose

My old 9800 gt could produce 100 fold better graphics then Uncharted. Try again.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Sure. Uncharted. It can be made by Naughty Dog and be called Uncharted.

What do I win?

Kaze_no_Mirai

No you lose

My old 9800 gt could produce 100 fold better graphics then Uncharted. Try again.

The question was what game can a PS3 do that a PC can't. Uncharted could be on PC and look 100 times better. It's not like the PC can't do Uncharted. Even the most moddest gaming systems could do Uncharted a lot better then a PS3 can.

when are you people going to realize that some people are just cool with a 360, ps3, or a wii, they don't game or put in as much time into it like you do, so if their content with what their have, pc fanboys like to get all pissy because someone doesn't game like they do.

Chris_Williams

'Letting people be cool with whatever they own' ?

We don't take kindly to your types in here.

This board is called System Wars.

The question was what game can a PS3 do that a PC can't. Uncharted could be on PC and look 100 times better. It's not like the PC can't do Uncharted. Even the most moddest gaming systems could do Uncharted a lot better then a PS3 can.

vtoshkatur

You clearly missed his points. Uncharted is an exclusive franchise that has no plans for it to be brought over to the PC. Thus, that is something the PS3 has that the PC cannot match.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Lets apply that logic elsewhere shall we?

A large variety of people own/want a smart phones that cost anywhere from $300 to $500 straight up, or $100 to $200 with a monthly fee of at least $50 (lets assume you bought it with a plan)

The alternative would be:

A $50 normal cellphone (texting and calling, that's it) that's much cheaper with a much cheaper monthly bill

An dedicated MP3 player (lets pick one with a hardrive comparable to a smart phone, that's around $100)

For mobile iinternet, you would either have to change the above MP3 into a $300 Ipod touch or similar internet/MP3 device, or lug around a laptop (I won't include its cost, I'll just hypothetically assume you already have a laptop).

That's $450 for three inferior, limited devices (except for possibly the laptop, but that's waay bigger and less convenient than a little smarphone, and doesn't feature calling, phone texting etc...)

Or, you could $200 up front and $50-100 a month (or $400 to $500 and get a plan later) for an all in one, conveneient device.

Most people today will choose the superior convenince and higher price of a smartphone. But then why are people less likely to choose superior convenience with an equal or slightly higher price of a gaming PC over a home console + utility PC combo?

The answer, bias and ignorance. Most (note, I said "Most") non-PC-gamers know very little about the perks of PC gaming, believe ridiculous negative rumors about the platform, and have never experienced true PC gaming in order to properly judge it, and they may also lack the foresight to see that the price of a PC is not higher if you take into account cheaper games, and the fact that you are not just replacing a console, but you're non-gaming PC too.

Average Consumer:

"Ooooh coool! That's much better than my..."

But then:

"Meh, I'll stick with my..."

BullyRay44

Agreed, but sadly most console noobs don't have a lick of logic and will bash this topic because they know you're right, they just get hyper defensive when it comes to their inferior "toys"

And Disturbed is the worst band ever. What's your point? And you *Could careless about my stupid ass opinion* the way you wrote it seems like you do care. Anyway Distubed sucks so much ass. How could you even like them? I'm guessing your mom did drugs during her pregnacy with you and droped you a few times on your head on top of it all.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

The question was what game can a PS3 do that a PC can't. Uncharted could be on PC and look 100 times better. It's not like the PC can't do Uncharted. Even the most moddest gaming systems could do Uncharted a lot better then a PS3 can.

lundy86_4

You clearly missed his points. Uncharted is an exclusive franchise that has no plans for it to be brought over to the PC. Thus, that is something the PS3 has that the PC cannot match.

Yeah because PC has WAY WAY WAY better games then Uncharted. We wouldn't want that linear console garbage anyway. I'm just saying. PC would do it better.

Yeah because PC has WAY WAY WAY better games then Uncharted. We wouldn't want that linear console garbage anyway. I'm just saying. PC would do it better.

vtoshkatur

So, we've established that you have an opinion. That's great.

Something that console gamers seem to be criticized for. Odd.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

The question was what game can a PS3 do that a PC can't. Uncharted could be on PC and look 100 times better. It's not like the PC can't do Uncharted. Even the most moddest gaming systems could do Uncharted a lot better then a PS3 can.

lundy86_4

You clearly missed his points. Uncharted is an exclusive franchise that has no plans for it to be brought over to the PC. Thus, that is something the PS3 has that the PC cannot match.

I thought the point was pretty clear.

It's the same argument time and time again from Fanboy A to Fanboy B.

"Dude, this system is way better than that system."

"But, this system has these games I really like and that system doesn't."

Mind=blown.