Console logic applied elsewhere=foolish

[QUOTE="enzyme36"]

hermits just dont understand that it boils down to convenience.... (I always love it when they call console gamers broke.. hilarious)

I know that for some extra money I can get a awesome rig with slightly better graphics than consoles, but the truth is that I do not know how to build computers or what parts to look for.... the only thing that I do know is that I can not walk into a store and come home with a gaming rig

when someone says:

here is a box that plays games -vs- here is a list of parts, here is a youtube video, and here is a list of tools

honestly which one do you think I am picking

vtoshkatur

Because double clicking on an Icon on your screen is so much more inconvenient then say having to stand up, put a disc in a disc tray, sit back down and start the game.....

im sorry reading noobs like yourself can not follow my logic

Any video game logic elswhere is foolish. No one is going to convience anyone on these forums, yet they do thread after thread thinking they're changing the world.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="enzyme36"]

hermits just dont understand that it boils down to convenience.... (I always love it when they call console gamers broke.. hilarious)

I know that for some extra money I can get a awesome rig with slightly better graphics than consoles, but the truth is that I do not know how to build computers or what parts to look for.... the only thing that I do know is that I can not walk into a store and come home with a gaming rig

when someone says:

here is a box that plays games -vs- here is a list of parts, here is a youtube video, and here is a list of tools

honestly which one do you think I am picking

enzyme36

If building a pc is complex to you then I truly pitty you.

Because double clicking on an Icon on your screen is so much more inconvenient then say having to stand up, put a disc in a disc tray, sit back down and start the game.....

im sorry reading noobs like yourself can not follow my logic

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="enzyme36"]

hermits just dont understand that it boils down to convenience.... (I always love it when they call console gamers broke.. hilarious)

I know that for some extra money I can get a awesome rig with slightly better graphics than consoles, but the truth is that I do not know how to build computers or what parts to look for.... the only thing that I do know is that I can not walk into a store and come home with a gaming rig

when someone says:

here is a box that plays games -vs- here is a list of parts, here is a youtube video, and here is a list of tools

honestly which one do you think I am picking

enzyme36

Because double clicking on an Icon on your screen is so much more inconvenient then say having to stand up, put a disc in a disc tray, sit back down and start the game.....

im sorry reading noobs like yourself can not follow my logic

"slightly better graphics" for PC? You are an idiot. Setting up a PC initially (if you wanna get the best value) is more inconvenient (although people greatly exaggerate how hard it is). Once you get it its FAR MORE convenient, you have every home entertainment and online feature in one device, and you never HAVE to fumble with discs for games EVER AGAIN!! You pay less for games, and the controls are superior.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

I'm glad we piss you console noobs off so much. It makes me warm and fuzzy inside that PC gaming makes you all so upset.

How? By making sense, and a valid point?

aaaaaaand consoles win.

You don't need a gaming PC and you don't need a console. You need a PC but it doesn't need to be capable of running the latest games (cept if you're a game developer/3D designer).

aaaaaaand consoles win.

Ninja-Hippo

You know its probably easier to plug a controller in a PC and game on your couch then it is on a console. You don't even have to get up to change games. PC wins.

aaaaaaand consoles win.

Ninja-Hippo

Pfffft couches are so dated. These days we game standing up flailing our arms around like mad men.

I mean it isn't like the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii all have great games that cannot be found on the computer....oh....wait....

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] nah, pc gaming doesnt make me upset. ive actually been thinking about getting a better pc. hermits like you are annoying thoughmems_1224

How? By making sense, and a valid point?

Idiot, there are other advantages that PC has over consoles than just being more powerful.

[QUOTE="enzyme36"]

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

If building a pc is complex to you then I truly pitty you.

Because double clicking on an Icon on your screen is so much more inconvenient then say having to stand up, put a disc in a disc tray, sit back down and start the game.....

vtoshkatur

im sorry reading noobs like yourself can not follow my logic

nice catch adding back to your original quote... which was way out of context at first

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

How? By making sense, and a valid point?

Stalkerfieldsis

Idiot, there are other advantages that PC has over consoles than just being more powerful.

Just as there are advantages consoles have over PCs... which for some reason you seem to be unable to grasp.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"] this [QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

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vtoshkatur

I'm glad we piss you console noobs off so much. It makes me warm and fuzzy inside that PC gaming makes you all so upset.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

How? By making sense, and a valid point?

Stalkerfieldsis

Idiot, there are other advantages that PC has over consoles than just being more powerful.

^This, console gamers don't seem to realize this.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] its not a valid point. theres other reasons why people game on consoles over pcs other than just a more powerful systemKickinurass

Idiot, there are other advantages that PC has over consoles than just being more powerful.

Just as there are advantages consoles have over PCs... which for some reason you seem to be unable to grasp.

Petty ones for consoles, versus meaningful ones on PC.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Idiot, there are other advantages that PC has over consoles than just being more powerful.

Stalkerfieldsis

Just as there are advantages consoles have over PCs... which for some reason you seem to be unable to grasp.

Petty ones for consoles, versus meaningful ones on PC.

I wouldn't call splitscreen gaming petty, and I certainly wouldn't call the difference in graphics in most games meaninful.

Funny how we can perceive things differently, isn't it?

vtoshkatur represents PC gaming... If you want to play on the PC he is what you will be playing with. Read everything he posts and then decide if that's who you want to game with.

fadersdream

Hardly.

vtoshkatur represents PC gaming... If you want to play on the PC he is what you will be playing with. Read everything he posts and then decide if that's who you want to game with.

fadersdream

According to that logic:

loosingENDS represents 360 gamers ?

pikachu69er represents PS3 gamers ?

Better play on Wii from now on than, thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

vtoshkatur represents PC gaming... If you want to play on the PC he is what you will be playing with. Read everything he posts and then decide if that's who you want to game with.

lundy86_4

Hardly.

PC gaming would be a lot better without self-entitled "PC gaming representatives" :P

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] and this

fadersdream

I'm glad we piss you console noobs off so much. It makes me warm and fuzzy inside that PC gaming makes you all so upset.

So when you lose all credibilty you resort to personal attacks. You're freaking awesome dude :)

PC gaming would be a lot better without self-entitled "PC gaming representatives" :P

nameless12345

It's not like you're gonna notice any sort of "elitist" presence when gaming on the platform. Unless, you're talking with numerous gamers extensively.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

vtoshkatur represents PC gaming... If you want to play on the PC he is what you will be playing with. Read everything he posts and then decide if that's who you want to game with.

nameless12345

Hardly.

PC gaming would be a lot better without self-entitled "PC gaming representatives" :P

I'm not self entitled. I just have a better taste in gaming ;)

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

vtoshkatur represents PC gaming... If you want to play on the PC he is what you will be playing with. Read everything he posts and then decide if that's who you want to game with.

nameless12345

Hardly.

PC gaming would be a lot better without self-entitled "PC gaming representatives" :P

Same could be said for every system though... I'd hate to be stuck in any match if it meant having to listen to LoosingEnds spout of that damn Xbox exclusive list of his.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Just as there are advantages consoles have over PCs... which for some reason you seem to be unable to grasp.

Kickinurass

Petty ones for consoles, versus meaningful ones on PC.

I wouldn't call splitscreen gaming petty, and I certainly wouldn't call the difference in graphics in most games meaninful.

Funny how we can perceive things differently, isn't it?

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen, derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Stalkerfieldsis

Bought an snes--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an N64--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

etc etc etc...terrible logic you have.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Hardly.

Kickinurass

PC gaming would be a lot better without self-entitled "PC gaming representatives" :P

Same could be said for every system though... I'd hate to be stuck in any match if it meant having to listen to LoosingEnds spout of that damn Xbox exclusive list of his.

Just cause I'm an ass here on SW doesn't mean I'm an ass when playing a game. I rarely use a mic and when I do it's just to talk to my friends or to point out things in L4D2, like hunter, charger ect.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Heirren

Bought an snes--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an N64--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

etc etc etc...terrible logic you have.

Bought a gaming PC last gen, didn't have to worry for 5 years, but the graphics, features, gameplay, and controls were better. You're logic is truly terrible. I don't even have to "plug in" a game, just double-click and go.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Stalkerfieldsis

Bought an snes--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an N64--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

etc etc etc...terrible logic you have.

Bought a gaming PC last gen, didn't have to worry for 5 years, but the graphics, features, gameplay, and controls were better. You're logic is truly terrible. I don't even have to "plug in" a game, just double-click and go.

To get the best out of pc gaming, you upgrade here and there. No pc gamer will deny that. I know because I used to be one. Pc gaming is(was, in cases) about superior game design and having supreme visuals. Most pc gamers will agree with this, I think. You don't have to upgrade, but you do in order to play the games at their fullest. The comparisons to other products were laughable.

EDIT

Also, the pc format doesn't really work on "generations."

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Petty ones for consoles, versus meaningful ones on PC.

Stalkerfieldsis

I wouldn't call splitscreen gaming petty, and I certainly wouldn't call the difference in graphics in most games meaninful.

Funny how we can perceive things differently, isn't it?

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen, derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

Nice opinion you have there, that doesn't real mean that splitscreen is petty. It's perfectly valid reason to prefer console gaming a) Because there is no reason to transport an entire rig to and from a gathering place, b) One console drawing power is likely vastly cheaper than an several gaming PC's, and c) It's much more feasible space and money wise.

Also, I don't recall ever arguing about graphics. I think most texture mods are a waste of time for what to me is at most a minor difference in visuals. So don't lump me in with a bunch of people I don't even agree with :)I'm not lying to myself, I have a PC. I'm just not an fanboy like you and the other guy.

And the fact that console nubs still use the instal arguement is just classic. Because clicking on a game in your steam list and waiting for it to download is so much work...:roll:

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I wouldn't call splitscreen gaming petty, and I certainly wouldn't call the difference in graphics in most games meaninful.

Funny how we can perceive things differently, isn't it?

Stalkerfieldsis

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen,derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

You keep mentioning what I have bolded above, and yet you fail to realize that this is only your opinion and that others will have vastly different ideas of what a worthwhile exclusive is. Whether you like it/agree or not, video game consoles do have exclusives, and some of them are very highly praised both by the gaming media and by gamers themselves.

There is no "one size fits all" in gaming, not even gaming PCs. What if someone absolutely hates RTS games and MMORPGs? At that point, the huge library of games available to them on PC has dwindled greatly. I know a guy just like this. He also, for whatever reason, happens to dislike RPGs with an isometric perspective. All of these preferences of his lead to the PC not really having too many attractive exclusives for him.

Why does it bother you that people will play what they want? PC gaming isn't objectively better for everyone, even if it is awesome for you.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I wouldn't call splitscreen gaming petty, and I certainly wouldn't call the difference in graphics in most games meaninful.

Funny how we can perceive things differently, isn't it?

Assassin_87

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen,derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

You keep mentioning what I have bolded above, and yet you fail to realize that this is only your opinion and that others will have vastly different ideas of what a worthwhile exclusive is. Whether you like it/agree or not, video game consoles do have exclusives, and some of them are very highly praised both by the gaming media and by gamers themselves.

There is no "one size fits all" in gaming, not even gaming PCs. What if someone absolutely hates RTS games and MMORPGs? At that point, the huge library of games available to them on PC has dwindled greatly. I know a guy just like this. He also, for whatever reason, happens to dislike RPGs with an isometric perspective. All of these preferences of his lead to the PC not really having too many attractive exclusives for him.

Why does it bother you that people will play what they want? PC gaming isn't objectively better for everyone, even if it is awesome for you.

I for one hate RTS games and yet PC gaming still offers way more then enough for me. The only thing I miss is Fighting games and Platformers (Even though sadly platformers seem to be dying on all platforms)

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I wouldn't call splitscreen gaming petty, and I certainly wouldn't call the difference in graphics in most games meaninful.

Funny how we can perceive things differently, isn't it?

Kickinurass

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen, derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

Nice opinion you have there, that doesn't real mean that splitscreen is petty. It's perfectly valid reason to prefer console gaming a) Because there is no reason to transport an entire rig to and from a gathering place, b) One console drawing power is likely vastly cheaper than an several gaming PC's, and c) It's much more feasible space and money wise.

Also, I don't recall ever arguing about graphics. I think most texture mods are a waste of time for what to me is at most a minor difference in visuals. So don't lump me in with a bunch of people I don't even agree with :)I'm not lying to myself, I have a PC. I'm just not an fanboy like you and the other guy.

Like I said, splitscreen is being phased out anyway, you could only splitscreen with four people (I've had 16 person LAN parties, you jelly?) the screen is severely cluttered at that point, and sharing the screen allows "screen-peaking" AKA cheating. And you opinion that the graphics increase is minor is pretty contrary to the FACT that PC has render features SEVERAL GENERATIONS AHEAD (two DirectX generations ahead), TWICE THE RESOLUTION OR MORE!!, up to and exceeding TWICE THE FRAMERATE!! 200% or greater advantages are not "minor" if you are using any logic.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen, derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

Stalkerfieldsis

Nice opinion you have there, that doesn't real mean that splitscreen is petty. It's perfectly valid reason to prefer console gaming a) Because there is no reason to transport an entire rig to and from a gathering place, b) One console drawing power is likely vastly cheaper than an several gaming PC's, and c) It's much more feasible space and money wise.

Also, I don't recall ever arguing about graphics. I think most texture mods are a waste of time for what to me is at most a minor difference in visuals. So don't lump me in with a bunch of people I don't even agree with :)I'm not lying to myself, I have a PC. I'm just not an fanboy like you and the other guy.

Like I said, splitscreen is being phased out anyway, you could only splitscreen with four people (I've had 16 person LAN parties, you jelly?) the screen is severely cluttered at that point, and sharing the screen allows "screen-peaking" AKA cheating. And you opinion that the graphics increase is minor is pretty contrary to the FACT that PC has render features SEVERAL GENERATIONS AHEAD (two DirectX generations ahead), TWICE THE RESOLUTION OR MORE!!, up to and exceeding TWICE THE FRAMERATE!! 200% or greater advantages are not "minor" if you are using any logic.

Yeah lan parties are a very real thing still, Me and my girlfriend host one every weekend with about 10-15 people. Which brings me to my next point, A lot of people game on PC despite what the consolites on this forum would have you believe. Even friends who are mainly console gamers love our L4D/TF2/CSS lan parties. People just like to game on PC. it's a universal medium too since at this point everyone has a PC that can run at least source games.

Looks like SW is getting out of hand.

Profanity, both partially and completely unobscured along with insults directed at everything, from singular persons to entire groups of people.

I sort of miss the stricter guidelines, this place is a troll den now:?

Looks like SW is getting out of hand.

Profanity, both partially and completely unobscured along with insults directed at everything, from singular persons to entire groups of people.

I sort of miss the stricter guidelines, this place is a troll den now:?

MlauTheDaft

This will never happen. Just gotta deal with it I guess. I mean I don't care if they call me cripple or say that my taste in music sucks. This is about games and I'm sticking with it. Internet thugs can say what they want, I don't care anymore.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Heirren

Bought an snes--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an N64--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

etc etc etc...terrible logic you have.

Bought an pc with a GeForce 2 GTS in 2000 -- did not have to worry about a thing for 6 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an pc with a 8800GTX in 2006 -- did not have to worry about a thing for 6+ years. Plug in a game and it plays.

see?

Not to mention that a 8800GTXstill play games with better graphics and performance than consoles.(in fact even an ancient ATI X1950 still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles link LOL consoles)

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Splitscreen is petty versus epic LAN parties like at mi casa (not to mention less games are having splitscreen nowadays). And graphics are not the real advantage of PC, plus you console idiots argue about graphics all the time like its pretty important.. Funny how you lie to yourself to convince yourself you're right.Splitscreen, derivative exclusives with no actual originality, and a price that "appears" lower. Those are the main advantages and they are all petty.

Stalkerfieldsis

Nice opinion you have there, that doesn't real mean that splitscreen is petty. It's perfectly valid reason to prefer console gaming a) Because there is no reason to transport an entire rig to and from a gathering place, b) One console drawing power is likely vastly cheaper than an several gaming PC's, and c) It's much more feasible space and money wise.

Also, I don't recall ever arguing about graphics. I think most texture mods are a waste of time for what to me is at most a minor difference in visuals. So don't lump me in with a bunch of people I don't even agree with :)I'm not lying to myself, I have a PC. I'm just not an fanboy like you and the other guy.

Like I said, splitscreen is being phased out anyway, you could only splitscreen with four people (I've had 16 person LAN parties, you jelly?) the screen is severely cluttered at that point, and sharing the screen allows "screen-peaking" AKA cheating. And you opinion that the graphics increase is minor is pretty contrary to the FACT that PC has render features SEVERAL GENERATIONS AHEAD (two DirectX generations ahead), TWICE THE RESOLUTION OR MORE!!, up to and exceeding TWICE THE FRAMERATE!! 200% or greater advantages are not "minor" if you are using any logic.

And yet, the differences are often times minor. Funny that, to say nothing how games have only recently begun taking more advantage of DX11 features. Hell, the last time I got into an argument with Vtoshakur, he was rocking a HD 4890 or something, a non DX11 card. Unless you care about such things, the effect of advanced AA, tesselation, and other rendering techniques takes a heavy backseat to the actual gameplay. Fallout New Vegas with high res textures is still Fallout New Vegas, argubably better looking and in my experience, less stable for some reason. I'd much rather talk about gameplay modes, like Project Nevada, than a texture overhaul anyday.

I have no reason to be mad. I can easily have 16 people over (In fact I have, for a few Super Smash Bros tourneys at my house). To say nothing of the fact that I can easily do the same with most modern titles on consoles (Halo being the easiest, because it supports up to four people on a console and 16 people multiplayer game modes) its trivial to setup something similar to what you described. People bring their consoles, a TV (or not, usually I'd just grabbed ones from my parents/siblings rooms since they were available) some controllers, and we'll be up and running in no time. Seems like you're just mad that consoles have something over PC's:(

Despite the fact the splitscreen is dying out, consoles still over far more local co-op games than PC. Head over to Cooptimus is you don't believe me. Anyway, using logic, splitscreen and LAN must be greater than just LAN support, right?:o

EDIT: Anyway, I'm out of class now. So while you let the hard truth soak in, I'm going to go enjoy the little bit of daylight left buddy:)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

aaaaaaand consoles win.

vtoshkatur

You know its probably easier to plug a controller in a PC and game on your couch then it is on a console. You don't even have to get up to change games. PC wins.

Sure you can hook it up to your TV but that requires that they be in close proximity, and then you get your ass handed to you because you're playing on the other side of the room with a controller against a server full of people sat in front of their screen with a mouse and keyboard. It's just not a social experience.

This guy makes hermits look badkris9031998

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

aaaaaaand consoles win.

Ninja-Hippo

You know its probably easier to plug a controller in a PC and game on your couch then it is on a console. You don't even have to get up to change games. PC wins.

Sure you can hook it up to your TV but that requires that they be in close proximity, and then you get your ass handed to you because you're playing on the other side of the room with a controller against a server full of people sat in front of their screen with a mouse and keyboard. It's just not a social experience.

You could get a 10m HDMI cable or transmit the signal wirelessly.

Personally, I just use my laptop with a long HDMI cable and and wired 360 controller but that's because I'm lazy.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

MK-Professor

Bought an snes--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an N64--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

etc etc etc...terrible logic you have.

Bought an pc with a GeForce 2 GTS in 2000 -- did not have to worry about a thing for 6 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an pc with a 8800GTX in 2006 -- did not have to worry about a thing for 6+ years. Plug in a game and it plays.

see?

Not to mention that a 8800GTXstill play games with better graphics and performance than consoles.(in fact even an ancient ATI X1950 still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles link LOL consoles)

The bold is a lie. The GF2 GTS was outdated within a year or two. The reason 8800 series still hold up is because most PC games today are console ports.

And X1950 does not run 90% of modern PC games except if you hack them.

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

keyboard/mouse don't come with a pc, controller comes with a console

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

and?

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Unless you want them to serve two different purposes... 80% of pc sales are mobile laptops, or you might want something you can type on, $250 for a console + $500 computer might suite someone's needs better then one $800 desktop

Lets apply that logic elsewhere shall we?

A large variety of people own/want a smart phones that cost anywhere from $300 to $500 straight up, or $100 to $200 with a monthly fee of at least $50 (lets assume you bought it with a plan)

The alternative would be:

A $50 normal cellphone (texting and calling, that's it) that's much cheaper with a much cheaper monthly bill

An dedicated MP3 player (lets pick one with a hardrive comparable to a smart phone, that's around $100)

For mobile iinternet, you would either have to change the above MP3 into a $300 Ipod touch or similar internet/MP3 device, or lug around a laptop (I won't include its cost, I'll just hypothetically assume you already have a laptop).

That's $450 for three inferior, limited devices (except for possibly the laptop, but that's waay bigger and less convenient than a little smarphone, and doesn't feature calling, phone texting etc...)

Or, you could $200 up front and $50-100 a month (or $400 to $500 and get a plan later) for an all in one, conveneient device.

Most people today will choose the superior convenince and higher price of a smartphone. But then why are people less likely tochoose superior convenience with an equal or slightly higher price of a gaming PC over a home console + utility PC combo?

This is a bad example, same as above, i have a shuffle for running, or I can get a 160gb ipod from, also data plans are usually forced with "smartphones" so I might be better off sticking with the phone i have and just buyting a 16gb ipod, i won't be forced to upgrade my service

The answer, bias and ignorance. Most (note, I said "Most") non-PC-gamers know very little about the perks of PC gaming, believe ridiculous negative rumors about the platform, and have never experienced true PC gaming in order to properly judge it, and they may also lack the foresight to see that the price of a PC is not higher if you take into account cheaper games, and the fact that you are not just replacing a console, but you're non-gaming PC too.

your biased and just as shortsighted only seeing the perks of buying a desktop PC.sales are sales,you can find cheap console games, in fact I generally don't have to spend as much on console games looking for deals (bought me3 new for $30, and several other games at $40), I have to wait for steam sales which don't come out as quick.

Stalkerfieldsis

There are great things about PC gaming but its definitly not a situation where it fits everyone's needs. And to think everyone is making a new purchase of a console and PC at the exact same time is ridiculous, same with buying an mp3 player. sometimes people want it to fit a partiular part of their life **** a cheap laptop for mobility or a nice little workstation.

PC gaming is great, I own a desktop with a gtx 570 + i5 2500k + 16gb ddr3 ram, and I still find myself playing on my consoles more, I like the controller, i like lying down to play, I like an integrated friends list supported in games, I like matchmaking, I like gaming on consoles more

$800 (hell even a $1000) PC is pointlessly expensive?

What do you own instead?

A $300-400 console (if you want a hard drive, whichi s 99% necessary, you are paying that much, I could include controller costs too, since people include mouse/keyboard in PC costs all the time, but I'll be the bigger man)

Stalkerfieldsis

keyboard/mouse don't come with a pc, controller comes with a console

A non-Gaming PC ($350-600 on amazon, depending on model)

Stalkerfieldsis

and?

That's $800 to $1000 total for two inferior devices, plus the inconvenience of having to switch between two devices when going from home PC things to gaming (or vica-versa), as opposed to one superior, all-in-one device. Yet most of you guys believe the console setup is a better choice.

Stalkerfieldsis

Unless you want them to serve two different purposes... 80% of pc sales are mobile laptops, or you might want something you can type on, $250 for a console + $500 computer might suite someone's needs better then one $800 desktop

Lets apply that logic elsewhere shall we?

A large variety of people own/want a smart phones that cost anywhere from $300 to $500 straight up, or $100 to $200 with a monthly fee of at least $50 (lets assume you bought it with a plan)

The alternative would be:

A $50 normal cellphone (texting and calling, that's it) that's much cheaper with a much cheaper monthly bill

An dedicated MP3 player (lets pick one with a hardrive comparable to a smart phone, that's around $100)\

For mobile iinternet, you would either have to change the above MP3 into a $300 Ipod touch or similar internet/MP3 device, or lug around a laptop (I won't include its cost, I'll just hypothetically assume you already have a laptop).

That's $450 for three inferior, limited devices (except for possibly the laptop, but that's waay bigger and less convenient than a little smarphone, and doesn't feature calling, phone texting etc...)

Or, you could $200 up front and $50-100 a month (or $400 to $500 and get a plan later) for an all in one, conveneient device.

Most people today will choose the superior convenince and higher price of a smartphone. But then why are people less likely tochoose superior convenience with an equal or slightly higher price of a gaming PC over a home console + utility PC combo?

Stalkerfieldsis

This is a bad example, same as above, i have a shuffle for running, or I can get a 160gb ipod from, also data plans are usually forced with "smartphones" so I might be better off sticking with the phone i have and just buyting a 16gb ipod, i won't be forced to upgrade my service

The answer, bias and ignorance. Most (note, I said "Most") non-PC-gamers know very little about the perks of PC gaming, believe ridiculous negative rumors about the platform, and have never experienced true PC gaming in order to properly judge it, and they may also lack the foresight to see that the price of a PC is not higher if you take into account cheaper games, and the fact that you are not just replacing a console, but you're non-gaming PC too.

Stalkerfieldsis

your biased and just as shortsighted only seeing the perks of buying a desktop PC.sales are sales,you can find cheap console games, in fact I generally don't have to spend as much on console games looking for deals (bought me3 new for $30, and several other games at $40), I have to wait for steam sales which don't come out as quick.

There are great things about PC gaming but its definitly not a situation where it fits everyone's needs. And to think everyone is making a new purchase of a console and PC at the exact same time is ridiculous, same with buying an mp3 player. sometimes people want it to fit a partiular part of their life **** a cheap laptop for mobility or a nice little workstation.

PC gaming is great, I own a desktop with a gtx 570 + i5 2500k + 16gb ddr3 ram, and I still find myself playing on my consoles more, I like the controller, i like lying down to play, I like an integrated friends list supported in games, I like matchmaking, I like gaming on consoles more

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Bought an snes--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an N64--did not have to worry about a thing for 5 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

etc etc etc...terrible logic you have.

nameless12345

Bought an pc with a GeForce 2 GTS in 2000 -- did not have to worry about a thing for 6 years. Plug in a game and it plays.

Bought an pc with a 8800GTX in 2006 -- did not have to worry about a thing for 6+ years. Plug in a game and it plays.

see?

Not to mention that a 8800GTXstill play games with better graphics and performance than consoles.(in fact even an ancient ATI X1950 still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles link LOL consoles)

The bold is a lie. The GF2 GTS was outdated within a year or two. The reason 8800 series still hold up is because most PC games today are console ports.

And X1950 does not run 90% of modern PC games except if you hack them.

that is why the GeForce 2 MX that is WAY SLOWER than the GeForce 2 GTS plays games like gta san andreas the same way like the ps2...

the reason 8800 series still hold up is because that they are more powerfull that consoles, simple as that...

LOL do you have any prof that the X1950 does not run 90% of modern PC games? NO... stop the lies and accept that, even an ancient ATI X1950 still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles.