Console Peeps: why dismiss entire genres?

"Why does mems like JRPGs and Anime?"

I'm a PC gamer and I dismiss genres too, everybody has different tastes and have limited time to play games.

Could I get a tl;dr for the intro? It was so full of champ stroking his own ego that I didn't read it.

Anyways, to channel my inner console gamer's thoughts on PC gaming's flagship titles:

Counter-Strike: Competitive. Hardcore.
DOTA 2: Competitive. Hardcore.
StarCraft II: Competitive. Hardcore.
MMOs: *See: South Park WoW ep*
Everything else: Never heard of that.

I'd say PC gaming has an image problem when I can describe the first three major games for the platform in two very newcomer-unfriendly words and the fourth is World of Warcraft. Everything else on the platform you'll likely only hear through word of mouth, but if you're coming from a console gaming background, your ears are already in more console-oriented areas. One look or, God help you, try, and you'll be able to make sweeping statements from there.

Bonus and mostly unrelated: $5000 PC to enjoy Crysis @2160p 120fps? Man, **** that shit. I'mma buy $15 DLC for a game I already own instead. This is an actual thought I get (Well, maybe not the DLC part). Not playing on max (and I have to do this often) gives me the feeling I'm not playing a game The Way It's Meant To Be Played™ and that I'm not getting the complete experience.

Nice OP...I think. I didn't actually read it.

Clearly it would be an unnecessary addition, since the bold was painfully obvious techno, gosh.

Plus if I need to do too long; didn't read for a whopping 4 sentences. That's not on me, that's on you people having the reading abilities and attention span of children.

Only Yukiko

because those PC genres feel like pointless time wasters to me, and not to mention boring as ****.

The only decent games on PC are those ported from consoles like Final Fantasy VII or Street Fighter IV.

And I thought it was painfully obvious I was asking for a tl;dr of the tl;dr section which really is too friggin' long 'cause of all your ego-stroking, GAWD. Never change, man.

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

It's because they don't have access to those genres.

Because you're right. Tons of console gamers complain about shallow stories, shallow gameplay, etc., but when it's pointed out that great gameplay and stories can be easily found in many PC games it turns into "those genres suck".

If a good one ever came to consoles you'd find them changing their tone, but that won't happen anytime soon because the standard dual analog controller is such a huge limitation to the type of game that can be found on consoles.

Because they really don't know any better.

@tonitorsi said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

Frosted Flakes good?........................................................THEY'RE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same. Neither Sony or Microsoft are worth anyones time.

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@tonitorsi said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

Frosted Flakes good?........................................................THEY'RE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, they're actually pretty terrible.

The only one you brought up that I like is point and click. I just dont find myself interested in the other types you listed.

Space sims were suddenly relevant soon as No Man's Sky was hinted at as PS4 exclusive. Now you have cows trying to claim ownage against a platform that is getting way more Space sims than them.

I didn't read all this. The simple answer is that pc gamers need to understand that there is a LARGE portion of people that like videogames but simply don't give a fck enough to go that in depth into the pc scene. People want to lay down on their ass and play a game to unwind after a long day. People want to buy a product at bestbuy or amazon. PC gamers don't realize that Steam, while a service many love, can be very cumbersome to adults that may have careers, etc. Steam actually alienates a group of people. This group honestly doesn't even know what is available. I'll use myself as an example that somewhat correlates to this. I grew up with the nes. I would read the game magazines up until around the Dreamcast era. Back then I really dug games that had the massive content. I could actually sit down and embrace a very long game. Today? Some may find this odd but I PREFER the high quality, compact sub 10 hour campaigns.

Now that's what being hardcore is all about.

I like it.

This thread contains a disgusting amount of circlejerk.

Console-only gamer here. I have a multitude of reasons for being only console, but I'll just get the base point out and say it's because I own a few Macbooks and an iMac because of when I was in school and now work. Therefore, I miss out on a lot of games on PC. With that out of the way...

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TL;DR version

• I respect the quality of PC titles despite not having played them and assuming I won't enjoy them based off prior experiences in the genre.
• There are a few genres I dislike, but there are exceptions to every rule.
• I haven't enjoyed the RTS genre because of my dislike of KB/M controls and micromanaging.
• If you discredit someone for disliking micromanagement and attribute that to them not wanting to think or have intellectual games, you aren't helping discussion.
• I'm open to finding an RTS game I'll enjoy.

Also, I'm really disliking seeing quality posters attributing assumptions about those who dislike PC games only enjoying Uncharted or other titles because they are mindless, or that the advertising or shine of the graphics blinds many gamers from the harsh reality that is the game sucking. Couldn't it be because many of us find them fun? I question why some of these veteran posters are bringing such hostility into the mix when I'd expect better from them. Dunno if you are just playing to System Wars' standards or if you truly are that negative, but it's disheartening to say the least.

Because everyone is dumb.

Main reason:

They aren't fully realized on their system of choice yet. That is IT. Fanboys will be fanboys.

Once the genre comes to their console in a good/proper form they will suddenly love it. This happens with all PC genres. It happened with FPS, it happened with online gaming, and its happening with MMOS at the moment. Next gen it will likely happen with rts and moba if consoles ever get a decent control device.

TLDR: It isnt on my system so it sucks. Nothing more.

It sucks unless its on consoles.

people hate on things until they have access to them.

I am starting to try RTS now that I have a gaming PC. I doubt I will MMOs like WOW because of I like to play as many games as I can. Most of the friends I have that play MMOs are playing them a lot. MOBAs just not interested in what it is. Point n clicks I would try I guess. My game time is very limited now so I look to play what I really enjoy most, and MOBA, MMO, PnC, RTS havent been in that for me.

I'm with SolidTy on this one. Frequently, there are genres that you just don't like, no matter how many times you have tried to get into them.

I can easily say I'm not a fan of racers, MMO's, and Mobas. I don't like them and I get bored. Simple as that. I don't dismiss them as being non-existent, I just don't care for them. Haven't heard many folks complain about point n clicks though; I don't mind those. Definitely a fan of RTS and strategy games as well.

How can they grow tired of something they can't play? :O

I've never seen console gamers rip on PC gamers for playing genres like those.

If you've never seen console gamers bash RTS,Moba,point and click games,MMOs,etc..you haven't been here long enough

What I think about dismissing entire genres: it's essentially generalizing (obvious, right?). And it's also got a bit to do with personal characteristics like ambition and curiosity (lack of, actually). Personally I tend to think of ambition and curiosity as correlated in some aspects.

Kinda like someone who tried, let's say, one arab food dish and from that moment on in his entire life says that he hates arab food. He's generalizing. He doesn't actually know if he enjoys or not that entire genre of food. What he says should only apply to that particular item. But for some reason, he thinks he shouldn't try other dishes because they ought to be as bad as that one for him.

It's quite common: people who do that and resort to generalization probably doesn't want to broaden their experiences or understanding, and seek for excuses so they don't have to go farther than their confort zone. If confronted again on this, they can just pull the "opinion" card, and hope that the other party takes baseless opinion as an equal to informed opinion.

I actually wrote a lot about shansklishs, kibbehs and games in this post but deleted it all, let's just say that those people are not actually saying that they don't like the whole games genre in it's entirety, only that they don't really want to know if they like it or not, if there's any one game that they could enjoy in that genre. They may be missing a potential personal favorite, but they want to limit themselves to those few bad experiences they had so they can go back to play their routine genres. Of course this can't translate everyone's generalization, but I think it's mostly this.

Oh, and tl;dr is more related to not being able to get and keep people's attention, than to the text extension per se.

I'm curious and would love to hear you opinion on the matter: how much do you try till you can fully say you dislike the genre despite there being maybe one game (or dish) out of fifty that would appeal to your tastes? Games in bulk are expensive and not everyone can purchase every game nor do we have all the time in the world to play every game. So where can the line be drawn to say a gamer just doesn't enjoy the genre rather than be looked at as lazy or unwilling to try everything?

Note that I'm not actually looking for a number, more the idea of it all. :P

I've seen a few threads in the last year that had more to speak of the failure of consoles to have such genres on them. But I've seen nothing vilifying PC gamers for liking them. I wouldn't put those threads in the territory of hating on the genre. There's a realism though that the games just aren't popular on consoles, which is different than people saying they themselves hate them and by that extent hate PC gamers for liking them. There's a prevailing view that the RTS games aren't doable on consoles because of lack of mouse and keyboard. I'm more of the opinion that most RTSs on consoles in the past failed because they never properly designed themselves to be on consoles. Games like RUSE have shown the genre is doable when working within the limitations of consoles. But, there still lies the problem that the genres aren't big sellers. Despite the genre, lots of good games fail commercially. MOBAs I think are much more doable on consoles than traditional RTSs, since they allow for more players there's less to micromanage. Though, I see no viability selling as a full priced retail game, but I definitely see potential for the genre with downloadable titles like the LOTR MOBA, it would have been nice if they tried bringing Dead Island Epidemic to consoles. There still isn't much developer support for the genre. IMO one thing developers didn't push for last gen was to utilize the keypads on the Xbox 360 and PS3, and that could have been used not just in RTSs but other games as well.

Anyhow, I've seen plenty of this constructive criticism of why the genre can't gain much footing on the console market. Maybe it's not as casual enough, I dunno. But I've seen this question brought up in threads but I've never seen people ripping on the genres, it's more peoples opinions of why the genre isn't popular on consoles but I didn't see anybody say it's because the games are terrible.

The problem is when console gamers on this board (quite frequently) actually disclude such genres from library lists and even sales articles.

Cranler, ps4nogames, Gue, and Shielder do this quite often. They call sales data "mis-leading" or "invalid" if it includes those genres.

Idiots.

Of course, you're entirely right. There's no way someone can just define a number everyone must meet before having a conclusion. I didn't mean it like people must meet my personal requirements so they are not lazy, unwilling, etc., like you put it. It's more about not falling to the temptation of generalizing from few experiences (that depends on various circunstances... there're genres that are broader or narrower than others, just like cookery, and many other factors of course), or from not getting, not understanding that there're experiences you can get from that genre that are very different from the one you just had. Maybe trying 5 almost identical games won't render you the same understanding on the genre that just 2 very different ones could (like trying an arcade racing game vs. a simulation one; or a combat racing one... they are all racing games, but the experience is very different). It depends more on curiosity I guess, than resilience. Reading and getting other people's opinions could help in that selection probably. Thus the lack of ambition/curiosity I mentioned, as in actually not willing to know.

Just to make sure, I'm not generalizing about how everyone that dismiss entire genres do it... it's just the most plausible way I see it happening, but surely it's not the only one. I'd instantly respect someone who said "I tried many games of that genre and I simply can't get to like it". That's different than saying, for example, "strategy games = complete boredom". This is the kind of attitude I took as a starting point.

@SambaLele: Haha, no problem at all! I wasn't trying to bait you or anything, was actually curious as to what you'd say on the matter. Your original post was a good one so I wanted to see you comment further on that matter.

Same as with everything else. They can't have it, so they make up stupid nonsense.

Consoles don't have MMOs, Adventure, and Strategy games: "lols, they don't count."

Consoles run games on 30fps. "The human eye can't see beyond that."

etc..

I see where you're coming from. Especially considering your post #73. You leave the possibility open for genres that didn't catch you yet. You just voiced an informed opinion on personal issues you've had with the genre, which can still be corrected since the genre hasn't been completely explored yet (no genre has, and maybe none ever will right...). That's exactly what I was talking about, curiosity, and by doing that you're not generalizing. Thus, not dismissing the entire genre.

Playing with your dick isn't something you add to prove a point, thats not the way to do it dude lol.

pc games just are a bore and chore.

Is sorcery keeping them from playing those games? :P

Seriously they are just not fun to me. I used to play mmos, point and click and rts back in the days, but they got boring to me. Never could get into mobas, not for me. I don't like simulation games either. It has nothing to do with it being on PC. I don't gran turismo or forza yet they are on consoles.

show me all those cool mobas and rts games on console....wait....

Truth is gamers ignore or in other ways marginalize genres they don't fancy (or know much about) all the time. I know PC gamers that won't touch an MMO or RTS, and console gamers that hate FPSes and platformers.

They are boring, that's the only sentence I read. tl;dr

Shooters don't have stories, silly, that's why you're shooting things.