Console Peeps: why dismiss entire genres?

There is no grinding in Dota. Team fights can and often do happen at early levels (especially in higher levels of play). Even as low as a level one Rosh attempt.

Who says it's just console gamers that don't like all types of games. I have both and like what I like.... In the same way some PC exclusive gamers might not like RTS & MMO games.

That's kind of his point. Most people who have capable gaming PCs don't see them as secondary system to a PS3 or a 360. It's rather that most PC gamers consider consoles to be secondary systems.

I stand corrected about this matter, however my initial statement stands.

Your initial statement is bassicaly "I like X more, so X should get more money". By any objective criterias MOBAs making more money on esports than RTS or fighters makes perfect sense.

I think it wasn't about not liking a genre, but claiming it's irrelevant on SW because you don't like it.

@jg4xchamp: I don't know you and don't know how obnoxious you are or even if you really are but I'm not reading a post that is half self indulgent.

You can hate me now.

Well you didn't mention any of the genre's i mentioned and that was wrong on your part tbh

"When it comes to the usual console vs PC garbage of PC gamers being elitist dick twinkies (lets be real: you are), and console fans being ignorant bitch muffins (lets be real: you are): when all else fails the console fans will go to the age ol "the only exclusives the PC gets are RTS games, Mobas, MMO's, point and clicks" and it's like...the PC guys never need to actually diss your exclusives this way.

In contrast the PC guys don't need to point out the disgusting majority of Playstation/Xbox exclusives fall into action games or racing games. Yes every now and then exceptions like Viva Pinata and Valkyria Chronicles happen. But otherwise it's a whole lot of shooting dudes in the face and vrom vrom, extra lap. With no disrespect intended to a terrific game like The Last of Us or....well no, just The Last of Us."

Because again, if you comprehended what was written there wouldn't be much of an issue. I am saying that console peeps love dismissing a large portion of the PC's exclusives, because they fit specific genres. Yet in contrast the PC guys don't need, and flat out don't dismiss the console exclusives as "oh all the Playstation and Xbox" get are action games. Which yes the majority of their exclusives would fall into similar genres, with "every now and then exceptions like Valkyria and Viva Pinata". That is not a failure on my part, but on the reader for not being able to grasp the argument. At no point in the OP did I say the consoles don't get those type of games at all. Their exclusives lineup however, a majority of it does fit a certain billing.

The only failure on the writers part in this thread is the complete disrespect for the English language with the shit load of comma splices, run on sentences, and disregard for what an actual sentence is.

Bingo. Why should the PC guys apologize for getting games in a certain genre often, when the console exclusive genres aren't exactly a beacon of diversity?

@freedomfreak: saying freedom freak said

@jg4xchamp: PS4 still manages to get exclusive deals with indies, which some also end up on the pc aswell. I would count in those aswell

Why would I count multiplats in a discussion about exclusives?

Also "every now and then there are exceptions". Again your fault for not being able to follow along.

I'm not big on RTS but like some(Total War series, Company of Heroes). I prefer turn-based(many being on PC such as Heroes III and Civilization).

I don't play MMOs, I'm not into subs for a single game so I never played a premium one. The free ones I've tried seem okay but were either P2W or just too much of a time sink that takes away time from games I bought and paid for.

I intend to try a MOBA one of these days but haven't gotten around to it yet.

I've played plenty of point n' clicks: Quest for Glory, Gabriel Knight, Laura Bow, Broken Sword, etc.

True. Shogun 2's multiplayer is dead. I'd much rather play a big ass 6 man battle with thousands of troops and hundreds of possibilities and outcomes rather than, for example, running around a tiny Call Or Duty level shooting people while a 14 year old boys shout rubbish like they think the game requires tactics.

Bravo champ. Godly thread.

Don't need?

I play games. Period. I don't care about what platform they are on because I'm not a piece of shit.

IT's true they are multiplats, but they still get to be on the PS4 for example. Not all of the so called exclusives fall into the category of Action games

Consolite "elistists" wouldn't act that way if they did have major cognitive problems.

In fact, it isn't just PC-centric genres they ignore - it's actually the fact they ignore console-centre genres that makes them appear stupid. But since they can't embrace games that consoles actually do well without abandoning the whole "we have the GOTYs" argument (since these games don't have enough cutscenes to merit a GOTY) they chose not to.

I have an XBOX, XBOX 360, and PS3 (and vita) and I only own one GOTY - Gears of War. It isn't a very good game, and I certainly wouldn't buy a game because a reviewer claims they enjoyed it slightly more than other console games...for a couple hours. I own consoles for the Driving and Fighting games and some JRPGs.

"majority"

"exceptions"

I used my words correctly, and not speaking in absolutes. And again exclusives are exclusives. Multiplats are not exclusives in a conversation about dismissing exclusives based on genre. So there you go. Again None of this is on me.

This. You don't have to have an expensive gaming rig to enjoy a lot of PC games both new and old. I hate how a lot of hermits look down on their own kind for not buying high end. I also hate console gamers who fight over graphics.

@Wasdie: Well said, Wasdie, well said.

I should add, too, that the PC crowd is constantly dogging the health regeneration, analog aiming, etc., etc., and so on. Makes me wonder if they have ever even played a Halo game on xbox. I've found that the analog aiming in the Halo games to be the most fluid and accurate I've ever felt in a console FPS. Crysis on PS3 and 360 feel very stiff, but Halo series feels so fluid by comparison. CoD feels pretty good too despite aim assist. My two cents.

I'l tell you why I dismiss entire genres.... Because RPGs suck donley balls, thats why !

And what do you mean depth ? Look I'm not a PC Gamer anymore but in my experience PC Gamers are the worst offenders of cunfsusing Complexity with Depth.

Any way I recently took interest in strategy games but I hate the turn base bullsh!t.... I want something in Real Time....

@Lulu_Lulu: supreme commander, have you played a game called 'supreme commander'?

@CrownKingArthur

Yeah I've heard of it.... Does it have co-op ? :D

@Lulu_Lulu: coop campaign? i don't think so, no.

but you can do a skirmish on a lan, or the intermanets, and have teams of humans, computers, mixed, whatever. well anyway i very highly recommend supreme commander. its usually very cheap too, even with forged alliance.

have you played/enjoyed many rts? if yes, which ones?

@jg4xchamp: Have you ever watched Adams Æbler or De grønne slagtere? I'm just asking because of the Mads Mikkelsen avatar; I've been meaning to ask for awhile.

@CrownKingArthur

Does Black & White count ? ;)

@jg4xchamp: ok, so you say there are mainly actions games. What about all the JRPGS for Sony? MArio, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Xenoblade, Metroid, Pikmen, Knack, Journey, Ape Escape, Beyond Two Souls, Disgea, Ratchet & Clank, Final Fantasy X & X-2, Gran Turismo, Forza, Fable, etc. So those are just "exceptions?

I'm not reading all that you need to sum that shit up kid.

i guess so, i don't know, i actually never played that despite being recommended it several times. did you like it? and were there any other ones you liked?

@CrownKingArthur

Its more commonly described as a God Game and its Skirmish were boring because they were too "prepatory" in nature.

I haven't played any others, because I don't like controlling multiple entities mostly because the interface and controlls are very unintuitive compared to only controlling one entity.

If there was ever a game I took interest in, it would have to be Advanced Wars.... I heard its like chess.

@Lulu_Lulu: apparently this 'advanced wars' is turn based. and too preparatory in nature? perhaps its because i never played it but i don't understand what that means. like the start of the game dictates the rest of the game too much or something?

and if you aren't looking for an rts of that type, but still want something real time - then i'm not sure i can help you, as i'd just be making wild guesses. a moba? defense grid?

i don't know man. you're like an enigma. a funny enigma, but an enigma all the same :) :\ :| :/ :)

I work full time and I'm a full time student and I do not feel alienated by Steam lol. As far as people wanting to go to Bestbuy and purchase their games; digital distribution is quickly becoming the most popular format. I think its way easier to log into Steam and download a game than to drive way out to Bestbuy and exhaust myself further for a video game. Regarding your comment about 10 hour campaigns; I'm in the same boat because I simply do not have the time to play 40 hour campaigns and to spend a ton of time exploring and etc.

That's because this thread is kind of pointless. Most people are smart enough to research which platform has the games they enjoy, which is why some choose PC and others console, or even both. Personally, I give every game a chance, especially if it is being hailed as the king. I've played Uncharted, GTA, and I didn't like them. The only game on your list that I truly enjoyed and put a decent amount of time into is RDR. I do enjoy JRPG's, but I haven't seen one that grabs my interest in ages.

At the end of the day, not every person is going to enjoy every genre on their platform of choice. I mostly play on PC now and I could care less about mobas and mmo's.

@CrownKingArthur

Thats exactly what it means. Believe it or not, too much strategy can be a bad thing..... The general rule of thumb is the best strategies are 3 moves long. Any more and it can become tedious and predictable and any less and it can become random and chaotic. You want a system that has a buttload of variables and viable options.

Another thing I just realised I don't like is Role Playing Elements in Strategy games, I noticed it in Forgotten Wars and it circles back to my earlier complaint about over preparation.

And its why I don't like turn base stuff.... Real Time is the best way to execute strategies.

@Lulu_Lulu: okeley dokeley neighboughrino!

@CrownKingArthur

Been thinking about getting Overlord because Splitscreen.....

Heres something I don't get, why is the genre named "Strategy Games" ?

Don't strategies exist in other games ? Obviously they do.... So what defines a strategy game ?

I reckon the answer will be even worse than the one for RPGs.

@Lulu_Lulu: i don't know the etymology of genres sorry man.

@CrownKingArthur

It use to be simple.... The genre's named is derived by how the game is played... Its mechanics.

And then came RPGs, Survival Horror, Adventure, Stategy and a few others that do didly squat to describe anything about how they are played. They have no Mechanics, infact they borrow other mechanics and repurpose them in some way.

It's just typical console peasant logic.

• Genres suck when they're not on console. Diablo for example.
• PC has no exclusives and whenever you list some, they are all bad.
• Graphics don't matter, except when a peasant is arguing with another peasant.

So now not only do you have to combine the consoles, not only do you have to throw in games that aren't exclusives, not only do you go generation hoping, but you continue to miss the point of the discussion.

Yes an exception. Exception=/= those games don't exist. Your ignorance of the English language is not my problem.

Nah mate/. Only know him from Hannibal (which is fucking terrific by the way) and Casino Royale. My film viewing is mostly american. Sometimes I dabble on European stuff like Let the Right One, most of my foreign stuff is Hong Kong stuff (like the exceptional Infernal Affairs, **** The Departed), or Kurisawa stuff.

If you ever get the chance watch Adams Æbler (Adam's Apples). It's hilarious and on netflix.

Uhm i do know the english language mate...

Those games i mentioned aren't playable on the pc, that was my point...