Console power - the truth

[QUOTE="Golden_Boy187"]

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"] you misspelled uncharted 3 planbfreak4eva

No you just misread Gears 3 looks better than U3

'No point to debate' yet you are acting like your opinions are facts....good job!

I would say that Gears 1 >> Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2 >> Gears 2 and, going by the vids and beta, Gears 3 > Uncharted 3.

[QUOTE="Golden_Boy187"]

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"] you misspelled uncharted 3 planbfreak4eva

No you just misread Gears 3 looks better than U3

lol "no point in debating" but then you proceed to debate anyway, and even better, you're stating opinions and calling them facts

[QUOTE="Golden_Boy187"]

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"] you misspelled uncharted 3 planbfreak4eva

No you just misread Gears 3 looks better than U3

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

:P I'm still disputing that the Wii is more capable graphically. I just havn't seen the evidence from the actual games I own.

But I am sure that it's more capable with it's CPU, the evidence is there. It does allow for better physics. Boom Blox proves this. I don't think the Xbox could pull off that games physics. EA said every other clock cycle was used to process the physics.

Jag85

The fact of the matter is that the GameCube had a superior 64-bit architecture and PowerPC CPU (the same kind used in all three current-gen consoles, but just at higher clock speeds), while the Xbox was using outdated (even for its time) 32-bit architecture and Pentium III CPU. The only reason the Xbox was comparable to the GameCube was because its CPU and GPU were clocked at higher speeds (but only slightly in the GPU's case) and it had slightly more (but slower) RAM.

The PowerPC in Wii is an out-of-order 3 instruction issue per cycle G3 type PowerPC with 64bit (2X 32bits packed) SIMD and medium depth pipeline i.e. it's similar to Pentium III. Wii's PowerPC's 64bit SIMD is similar AMD K7 Athlon's 64bit (2X 32bit packed) 3DNow SIMD.

GameCube 's PowerPC is based on PowerPC 750CXe as used in late modelApple Mac G3. PowerPC 750CXe doesn't support IBM Power64 instruction set.

The PowerPC (PPE) in Xbox 360 and Sony PlayStation an in-of-order two instruction issue per cycle G1 type PowerPC with 128bit (4X 32bits packed) SIMD and long pipeline length i.e. it's similar to Intel Atom. Intel Atom (Pineview) supports 64bit (GPR) computing. Being "64bit" CPU doesn't its superior i.e. MIPS 64bit or Intel Atom (Pineview) can easily beaten by "32bit" AMD K7 Athlon XP.

The PPE has pipeline length simiar to Pentium IV Northwood i.e. 21 stages.

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"][QUOTE="delta3074"]crysis 2 runs at a lower resolution on the ps3 than it does on the 360, what does that say?ocstew

On Sony Vita, quad Intel GMA 600 says Hi. PowerVR 543 @200Mhz is roughly equal PowerVR 535@400Mhz(Intel GMA 600). Sony Vita has four PowerVR 543 @200Mhz hence "MP4" part.On 3DMarks 2005, you would need nine PowerVR 543 to match Radeon HD 6250M (80 stream processors).

AMD Xenos is roughly equal 240 stream processors i.e. it's inbetween Radeon HD 2600 Pro (120 stream processors) and Radeon HD 4650 (320 stream processors).

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

[QUOTE="Golden_Boy187"]

No you just misread Gears 3 looks better than U3

delta3074

PS3's Cell processor is the only CPU i know of that can attempt the work of a GPU. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD THE CELL ALONE WITHOUT A GPU CAN HANDLE A DECENT 3D SCENE ALONE.monkeysmoke

Correct, here is evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehwFOM4CBKA

This scene is rendered by Cell alone.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Must be nice to live in fantasy land.

theuncharted34

If you think the Wii is more capable in terms of graphics you're kidding yourself. Has a better CPU though, i'll give it that.

The gamecube was very close to the Xbox, and the Wii is an overclocked gamecube with a little more than twice the RAM.

The Xbox has nothing to compare to Super mario galaxy, DCKR or Monster Hunter Tri. Maybe you should go back and play some Xbox games.

But anyways, this isn't worth talking about as the Wii is just a pitiful piece of hardware in the year 2011. It's not like it's that far ahead of the Xbox tbh.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Must be nice to live in fantasy land.

theuncharted34

If you think the Wii is more capable in terms of graphics you're kidding yourself. Has a better CPU though, i'll give it that.

The gamecube was very close to the Xbox, and the Wii is an overclocked gamecube with a little more than twice the RAM.

The Xbox has nothing to compare to Super mario galaxy, DCKR or Monster Hunter Tri. Maybe you should go back and play some Xbox games.

But anyways, this isn't worth talking about as the Wii is just a pitiful piece of hardware in the year 2011. It's not like it's that far ahead of the Xbox tbh.

i dont understand this multiplats look better on 360 thing i have played demos on both consoles of the same game and i dont notice any differences. They are pretty much equal in power,but some times devs develop primarily for the xbox or ps3 and you get one looking a tiny worse than the other and is usually not noticeable

Earth to Lems: multiplats don't show the power of nuthin.

The lead system almost always gets the better version. Period. That's why FF13 and LA Noire looked hella better on PS3. Killzone 3 looks better the Crysis 2 and most 360 Exclusives are sub HD. /thread

Pray_to_me

Earth to Lems: multiplats don't show the power of nuthin.

The lead system almost always gets the better version. Period. That's why FF13 and LA Noire looked hella better on PS3. Killzone 3 looks better the Crysis 2 and most 360 Exclusives are sub HD. /thread

Earth to Lems: multiplats don't show the power of nuthin.

The lead system almost always gets the better version. Period. That's why FF13 and LA Noire looked hella better on PS3. Killzone 3 looks better the Crysis 2 and most 360 Exclusives are sub HD. /thread

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Let me end console power debates once and for all:

PS3 is more powerful than Xbox 360. That's a fact and you can't argue about it. It has a more advanced CPU that's more powerful, the same amount of total RAM (which is faster even) and it's graphics chip is on-par with 360's (Geforce 7800 series is comparable to Radeon X1900 series). Furthermore it has more storage space (blu-ray vs DVD). If it harder to program for or has some issues does not negate it's power.

Wii is more powerful than Xbox, GameCube and PS2. It's basically a enhanced GameCube which already was comparable to Xbox in graphics if well used and the Wii is better than it. If many Wii games look on-par or even worse than PS2 titles does not negate it's power.

3DS is more powerful than PSP and way more powerful than the DSi/XL. While concrete specs may be sparse, from all the information I gather it has two CPUs which combined are faster than PSP's, a graphics chip that has way better shading capabilites than the PSP and much more total RAM. If many games don't show that due to rendering two pictures for the 3D effect does not negate it's power.

As for unreleased consoles: Vita will, from all I gather, be way more powerful than the 3DS and not really competition for it while Wii-U will be considerably more powerful than the HD twins and way more powerful than Wii.

So there you have it. Objection is not possible :P

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

If you think the Wii is more capable in terms of graphics you're kidding yourself. Has a better CPU though, i'll give it that.

Kaszilla

The gamecube was very close to the Xbox, and the Wii is an overclocked gamecube with a little more than twice the RAM.

The Xbox has nothing to compare to Super mario galaxy, DCKR or Monster Hunter Tri. Maybe you should go back and play some Xbox games.

But anyways, this isn't worth talking about as the Wii is just a pitiful piece of hardware in the year 2011. It's not like it's that far ahead of the Xbox tbh.

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

Let me end console power debates once and for all:

PS3 is more powerful than Xbox 360. That's a fact and you can't argue about it. It has a more advanced CPU that's more powerful, the same amount of total RAM (which is faster even) and it's graphics chip is on-par with 360's (Geforce 7800 series is comparable to Radeon X1900 series). Furthermore it has more storage space (blu-ray vs DVD). If it harder to program for or has some issues does not negate it's power.

Wii is more powerful than Xbox, GameCube and PS2. It's basically a enhanced GameCube which already was comparable to Xbox in graphics if well used and the Wii is better than it. If many Wii games look on-par or even worse than PS2 titles does not negate it's power.

3DS is more powerful than PSP and way more powerful than the DSi/XL. While concrete specs may be sparse, from all the information I gather it has two CPUs which combined are faster than PSP's, a graphics chip that has way better shading capabilites than the PSP and much more total RAM. If many games don't show that due to rendering two pictures for the 3D effect does not negate it's power.

As for unreleased consoles: Vita will, from all I gather, be way more powerful than the 3DS and not really competition for it while Wii-U will be considerably more powerful than the HD twins and way more powerful than Wii.

So there you have it. Objection is not possible :P

nameless12345

Ps3 has to upscale everything from 720 to 1080 so xbox has it beat there.

Wii is whack. Only good when I'm throwing a party and everyone is drunk. Wii drunk bowling the best.

Handhelds whack. Psp is good. 3ds is another gimmick from nintendo.

As for best handhelds Gameboy Pocket takes it all.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

The gamecube was very close to the Xbox, and the Wii is an overclocked gamecube with a little more than twice the RAM.

The Xbox has nothing to compare to Super mario galaxy, DCKR or Monster Hunter Tri. Maybe you should go back and play some Xbox games.

But anyways, this isn't worth talking about as the Wii is just a pitiful piece of hardware in the year 2011. It's not like it's that far ahead of the Xbox tbh.

nameless12345

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"] Half life 2,doom 3,splintercell chaos thory,black,>> anything on wii.

Darth_DuMas

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

Goldeneye 007 looks way better than anything on XBOX.

I thought this arguement was settled already by John Carmack- I swear there was a thread about this a few days ago.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

BlbecekBobecek

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

Goldeneye 007 looks way better than anything on XBOX.

both consoles are equals but the PS3 has more outstanding games overall and the are increasing in #.

s3 is more powerful then 360, but differences are pretty much unoticable. Unless your on of dem fanboys who looks for EVERY little thing like for example, the 360 version of a multiplat has 3 more leaves on this one tree or whatever.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

BlbecekBobecek

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

Goldeneye 007 looks way better than anything on XBOX.

Let me end console power debates once and for all:

PS3 is more powerful than Xbox 360. That's a fact and you can't argue about it. It has a more advanced CPU that's more powerful, the same amount of total RAM (which is faster even) and it's graphics chip is on-par with 360's (Geforce 7800 series is comparable to Radeon X1900 series). Furthermore it has more storage space (blu-ray vs DVD). If it harder to program for or has some issues does not negate it's power.

Wii is more powerful than Xbox, GameCube and PS2. It's basically a enhanced GameCube which already was comparable to Xbox in graphics if well used and the Wii is better than it. If many Wii games look on-par or even worse than PS2 titles does not negate it's power.

3DS is more powerful than PSP and way more powerful than the DSi/XL. While concrete specs may be sparse, from all the information I gather it has two CPUs which combined are faster than PSP's, a graphics chip that has way better shading capabilites than the PSP and much more total RAM. If many games don't show that due to rendering two pictures for the 3D effect does not negate it's power.

As for unreleased consoles: Vita will, from all I gather, be way more powerful than the 3DS and not really competition for it while Wii-U will be considerably more powerful than the HD twins and way more powerful than Wii.

So there you have it. Objection is not possible :P

nameless12345

Its one of these posts again, why does it matter which is powerful then who now adays just enjoy your console games, considering the wii is the least powerful but outsold both is quite a testiment.

Its one of these posts again, why does it matter which is powerful then who now adays just enjoy your console games, considering the wii is the least powerful but outsold both is quite a testiment.

Santesyu

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

Kaszilla

Goldeneye 007 looks way better than anything on XBOX.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Goldeneye 007 looks way better than anything on XBOX.

delta3074

Useless topic to me since the 360 is better then the ps3 in other things then just the hardware... just saying.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"] Half life 2,doom 3,splintercell chaos thory,black,>> anything on wii.

Darth_DuMas

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

Incorrect. Nintendo never really bets a lot on the graphics. It was companies like Rare and Factor 5 that really pushed Nintendo consoles in the past. And the best-looking game on the GameCube is Resident Evil 4, a third party game (from Capcom).

The Conduit and Other M look good but I don't think that's the best it could do.

And the GC and Wii may be easy to develop for but to get good results out of them requires some extra dedication.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

That's because no game on the Wii came even close to pushing it as well as those games pushed the Xbox.

nameless12345

Even from Nintendo themselves? If anyone would have tried to push it, it's Nintendo, to show off what it can do if nothing else.

High Voltage Software and Team Ninja (the dev known for pushing graphics) said they were pushing it with The Conduit 1/2 and Other M didn't they?

Video game websites said games like Goldeneye 007 and Xenoblade were pushing the hardware.

Could no one get performance out of it :|

Maybe it's just the case that just like the Wiis CPU is superior by design to the Xboxs, the Xboxs GPU is also superior by design to the Wiis.

The GameCube and Wii are known to be easy to develop for, I can't believe no one has come close to pushing it in it's 5 years of life.

Incorrect. Nintendo never really bets a lot on the graphics. It was companies like Rare and Factor 5 that really pushed Nintendo consoles in the past. And the best-looking game on the GameCube is Resident Evil 4, a third party game (from Capcom).

The Conduit and Other M look good but I don't think that's the best it could do.

And the GC and Wii may be easy to develop for but to get good results out of them requires some extra dedication.

No, but people talk about Mario Galaxy being a contender for best looking Wii game.

So if devs struggle to get anything out of an easy to develop for platform, how did they get anywhere with a complex one like the PS3.

With complete respect to you, this idea the Wiis GPU has more untapped power seems a little far fetched.

Why does it struggle to perform AA to any useful degree, it's lack of ability to perform AA comes very close to ruining the experience for me. It's the least I would have expected.

The Wii has a very basic GPU, that's why the Wii which should be easily more powerful than the original Xbox doesn't really beat it visually. The Wii has a stronger CPU and more RAM. The Geforce 3 card inside the Xbox however is capable of doing lighting and shading effects that the Wii cannot. I'm no expert, one of the hardware savvy guys will probably go into more detail about it.

heres the truth...

Multiplats are one side of the coin

The other side shows (to me) that no 360 game, multiplat or exclusive, has the top PS3 exclusives beat in the graphics/physics and audio department.

Multiplats are one side of the coin

The other side shows (to me) that no 360 game, multiplat or exclusive, has the top PS3 exclusives beat in the graphics/physics and audio department.

Szminsky

Multiplats are one side of the coin

The other side shows (to me) that no 360 game, multiplat or exclusive, has the top PS3 exclusives beat in the graphics/physics and audio department.

Szminsky

[QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Multiplats are one side of the coin

The other side shows (to me) that no 360 game, multiplat or exclusive, has the top PS3 exclusives beat in the graphics/physics and audio department.

CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="Szminsky"]

Multiplats are one side of the coin

The other side shows (to me) that no 360 game, multiplat or exclusive, has the top PS3 exclusives beat in the graphics/physics and audio department.

Innovazero2000

2 games that have not yet been released. We've seen touched up screens, trailers and the Geow mp beta (which didn't impress me). I may be proven wrong however, but I'm standing firm with my opinion until those games are released, (we all know how those Halo(s) turned out graphically compared to those trailers and vids, pre-release), the whole madness with the crater draw distance etc etc). Still, so far, I've seen no 360 game on par with games like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 and GOW 3

John Carmak said it the best. The differences between the two consoles are far less than the differences between developers.

You know the most sold multiplats look better on the 360? Not everything about the PS3 is better, believe it or not. And devs said it's barely a difference, there's no arguing about that.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]That's like saying the SNES and Genesis were exactly the same.foxhound_fox

Because the PS3 is harder to develop for than the X360. Same case was with the PS2 vs Dreamcast where early games looked better on the Dreamcast even thought the PS2 was more powerful but a few years later we got 1080i games like GT4 and incredible looking games like GOW and FFXII running on PS2.

Multiplat looked better on the Xbox back in 2007 but now they are either equal or better on the PS3 thanks. But devs try to make them equal so people don't complain about one being superior than the other and ultimately hurting the sales...