Console RTS=Instant Phail

I mean seriously we all know RTS's on consoles are instant fail mix:

Command & Conquer (N64)- 7.6
Command & Conquer (PS1)- 8.2
Command & Conquer (SATURN!!)- 9.2
Command & Conquer: Red Alert (PS1)- 7.6
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars (360)- 8.7
Starcraft 64 (N64)- 8.4
Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders- 8.5
Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes- 8.2
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth II (360)- 8.3

Average Score: 8.3

And note that with the exception of the two KuF titles, these are all more-or-less quick-and-dirty PC-to-console overly-hyphenated ports. So why exactly can't a game like Halo Wars, an RTS built exclusively with consoles in mind by a quality developer, work out again?

It can work out?GazzaB

Ooops. He he

Sarcasm I hope. Now a days with certain people on SW, you can't tell if they are serious, using sarcasm, or just plain trolling. waynehead895

[QUOTE="waynehead895"]Sarcasm I hope. Now a days with certain people on SW, you can't tell if they are serious, using sarcasm, or just plain trolling. PBSnipes

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="waynehead895"]Sarcasm I hope. Now a days with certain people on SW, you can't tell if they are serious, using sarcasm, or just plain trolling. waynehead895

kingdom underfire is one of those RTS that really works well on consoles......Dante2710

i was actually thinking about this

a wii rts could work really well imo, too bad i dont think thats gonna happen for a long time if ever

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]kingdom underfire is one of those RTS that really works well on consoles......whocares4peace

The way I see it, RTS work fine on consoles. They're no where as good as the PC versions, but still enjoyable.whocares4peace

The only kind of RTSes that can "work fine" on consoles are RTSes that are even more simplistic than Dune II.

Thats all fine and dandy, but in reality RTS games are just better on the PC. Halo Wars has a chance in making console RTS games more common, but there is no doubt in my mind that the PC will still be the king of the RTS. Also keep in mind that Halo Wars has a good chance in scoring high because the standards for console RTS are not extremely high. I can see it now, Halo Wars scores 9.5 and hordes of console fanboys claim it is the best RTS ever and all of that jazz, in the fantasy world, system wars, it might be, but it really won't be.smokeydabear076

lol i bet TC hasnt played a pc rts.anshul89

Apology accepted. ;)

I enjoy playing RTSs on PCs. Command and Conquer being one of my all-time favorite franchises I've been playing RTS on the PC for a long while. When Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth II was announced for the 360, I was somewhat skeptical. It came out, I bought it, I played it, and I loved it. Why? The controls were great. It felt very consistent and very accessible. THe only disadvantage the consoles will have vs the PC counterparts is not being able to keep a steady framerate during large scale battles.

I have good hopes for Halo Wars, not because it's a Halo game (I really love Halo) but it's being made by Ensemble and Halo was originally meant to be an RTS before going to 3rd person then finally 1st person we came to love today (with an exception of some cows)

i agree that C&C PS1 game was one of my favorites of that era.

and the PC gamers should stop saying ZOMG my keybooaarddzz iz better for RTS because of the 1,000,000,000 buttons compared to 3 button PLUS we got the superzz innovaties MOUSE, MOUSE!!!!!1112!!2333 ZOMG.

but still i love PC gaming it rocks.

it is a pretty stupid trend

LOOK MA I CAN CONTROL COMMAND AND CONQUER WITH AN ANALOGUE STICK!!!

instant phail

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]The way I see it, RTS work fine on consoles. They're no where as good as the PC versions, but still enjoyable.mjarantilla

The only kind of RTSes that can "work fine" on consoles are RTSes that are even more simplistic than Dune II.

On the other hand, simple brainless games like C&C3 work just fine on consoles.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]lol i bet TC hasnt played a pc rts.PBSnipes

Apology accepted. ;)

it is a pretty stupid trend

LOOK MA I CAN CONTROL COMMAND AND CONQUER WITH AN ANALOGUE STICK!!!

instant phail

vicmackey39

well they can get it to work IF they build it up for a controller from day one. they can then take into account the limitations of the controller. thats how FPSs have been adopted to the console. i think with enough time and clobbering...theyll be able to get something that works decently on a console and isnt a complete headace. theyll need to make adjustments again though to get it up to PC standards. thatll only work for RTSs in the dune2/command and conquer mould though and, like the FPS, itll never match the PC. im not trying to sound like an elitest here...but the FPS and the RTS were origonally designed for the PC and the level of accuracy, speed and precision the KB&M offer far exceeds what a consoles controller can do. if the consoles supported KB&M in their rts games then there wouldnt be a problem.

for something really big like rome total war....forget it. the only console controller that could cope with that is either a much bigger version of the DS screen or the wiimote and nunchuck. im amazed no one has tried a RTS on wii...its very well suited to the job.

speaking of nintendo....they actually did demonstrate how a RTS could be made for a console very nicely. pikmin. its not a RTS in the dune2 mould...but its a RTS none the less and its bloody brilliant. all they did was reprioritise what mattered in a RTS for a consoles setup and it worked a treat. 100 unit count too and it needed foreward planning just like any other RTS. devs should be taking notes. the controller doesent hold that game back at all.

[QUOTE="waynehead895"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="waynehead895"]Sarcasm I hope. Now a days with certain people on SW, you can't tell if they are serious, using sarcasm, or just plain trolling. PBSnipes

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]lol i bet TC hasnt played a pc rts.anshul89

Apology accepted. ;)

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

it is a pretty stupid trend

LOOK MA I CAN CONTROL COMMAND AND CONQUER WITH AN ANALOGUE STICK!!!

instant phail

PBSnipes

I don't know but I can tell you this, people never make sense when they try to sound smart.

I can't tell whether you're making fun of PC or console gamers *insert witty remark about state of System Wars here*. :?
PBSnipes

Neither. I'm just pointing out that RTS on consoles suck

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]The way I see it, RTS work fine on consoles. They're no where as good as the PC versions, but still enjoyable.mjarantilla

The only kind of RTSes that can "work fine" on consoles are RTSes that are even more simplistic than Dune II.

dune 2 was simple? i remember it on the sega genesis and i loved that game on the system and it was far from simplisitic cause if you had ever played the pc version...they we're exactly the same.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"] I can't tell whether you're making fun of PC or console gamers *insert witty remark about state of System Wars here*. :?
vicmackey39

Neither. I'm just pointing out that RTS on consoles suck

Universe at War is the best RTS on 360 to date..The control scheme is very good. Too bad stupid GS gave it a 6.5 when most gamer reviews are ablut 8-8.5hywel69

How was Universe at War? I've been wanting to know how it is on the 360. I can't play it on my PC because it sucks :(

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"] I can't tell whether you're making fun of PC or console gamers *insert witty remark about state of System Wars here*. :?
vicmackey39

Neither. I'm just pointing out that RTS on consoles suck

And you hadn't really played RTS on the consoles, have you?

And you hadn't really played RTS on the consoles, have you?

A_zombie

probably played more than you. The only good one was pikmin and that was because it wasdn't trying to copy a PC game

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]lol i bet TC hasnt played a pc rts.PBSnipes

Apology accepted. ;)

[QUOTE="GazzaB"]It can work out?PBSnipes

So what, consolites claim that action adventures and racers cant work on the PC as well, and we all know thats a load of crap.

All the RTS games you mentioned are the most basic casual games out there, now show us a complex RTS and then come back here.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Thats all fine and dandy, but in reality RTS games are just better on the PC. Halo Wars has a chance in making console RTS games more common, but there is no doubt in my mind that the PC will still be the king of the RTS. Also keep in mind that Halo Wars has a good chance in scoring high because the standards for console RTS are not extremely high. I can see it now, Halo Wars scores 9.5 and hordes of console fanboys claim it is the best RTS ever and all of that jazz, in the fantasy world, system wars, it might be, but it really won't be.PBSnipes

I mean seriously we all know RTS's on consoles are instant fail mix:

Command & Conquer (N64)- 7.6
Command & Conquer (PS1)- 8.2
Command & Conquer (SATURN!!)- 9.2
Command & Conquer: Red Alert (PS1)- 7.6
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars (360)- 8.7
Starcraft 64 (N64)- 8.4
Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders- 8.5
Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes- 8.2
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth II (360)- 8.3

Average Score: 8.3

And note that with the exception of the two KuF titles, these are all more-or-less quick-and-dirty PC-to-console overly-hyphenated ports. So why exactly can't a game like Halo Wars, an RTS built exclusively with consoles in mind by a quality developer, work out again?

PBSnipes

Surely those would be rated relative to other console RTS games. The fact is, short of a KB/M interface, console RTS games will always be inferior to their PC counter-parts. Halo Wars might be able to do something different, but it's fighting the odds.

Play BFMEII on X360 and play BFMEII on PC, see the massive difference.

They might score high but... playing compared to the PC version..?

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="waynehead895"]Sarcasm I hope. Now a days with certain people on SW, you can't tell if they are serious, using sarcasm, or just plain trolling. waynehead895

Yeah I know that seems pretty good to me also.

[QUOTE="A_zombie"]

And you hadn't really played RTS on the consoles, have you?

vicmackey39

probably played more than you. The only good one was pikmin and that was because it wasdn't trying to copy a PC game

Right sure you played more than I did :roll:

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]The way I see it, RTS work fine on consoles. They're no where as good as the PC versions, but still enjoyable.WilliamRLBaker

The only kind of RTSes that can "work fine" on consoles are RTSes that are even more simplistic than Dune II.

dune 2 was simple? i remember it on the sega genesis and i loved that game on the system and it was far from simplisitic cause if you had ever played the pc version...they we're exactly the same.

Dune 2 and most of its successors (the C&C franchise) have mostly been simple and straightforward RTSes with little regard for unit balance. They're fun, I'll give you that, but not particularly strategic or tactical. I'll admit I haven't played tournament-level C&C games (do they even exist?), but from what I've played, Dune II/C&C-type games always seem to devolve into tank rushes in the late-game.