Consoles are superior to the PC on a technical level

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

I'd honestly say FM4 is the best looking racer on any platform (GT5's best in a close second, disregarding photo mode). Even if they get the lighting right, PC racers never have comparabe car models.

Zlychop

Nope.

Stop trolling, it's ingame you ass

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Nope.

wis3boi

Stop trolling, it's ingame you ass

In game, interesting angle to display a game. Eh?

Show an actual in game pic featuring a tacometer or a map.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Zlychop

And you can get into the beta, or alpha (what ever stage its in, I'm not following it) by paying $ now.

Another, you can see 'in' the break discs!

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] Bullshot, game isn't even out yet. Show us an image with an actual HUD or something in game.Zlychop

Stop trolling, it's ingame you ass

n game, interesting angle to display a game. Eh?

Show an actual in game pic featuring a tacometer or a map.

- if you buy the game now you can play the beta. Visit the PC forum, we have users posting their screens every day

- you can turn the HUD off and take screens at any angle you want

- most people on this forum know of the game and it's technical achievements, being ignorant of it doesn't give you the ability to call them bullshots

more salt for the wound

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] Bullshot, game isn't even out yet. Show us an image with an actual HUD or something in game.Zlychop

Stop trolling, it's ingame you ass

In game, interesting angle to display a game. Eh?

Show an actual in game pic featuring a tacometer or a map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unycegvkdt0&feature=related

Ingame. It's called FreeCam.

Dynamic weather effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6RrW09elqY&feature=related

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Only diehard hermits really care about 30 fps or full 1080p gaming honestly.

Console games look good enough considering what they are ran on.

Graphics cards can cost more than a console itself.

Think about that.

Zlychop

The GPU's in the Consoles cost more than the consoles themselves at launch too. Subsidized hardware. And an 80$ GPU today can put the consoles to shame.

Even console only gamers notice the difference of 30 and 60 FPS, I've heard people say ~"CoD just feels smoother than other shooters..."

Console coding to metal doesn't start imidiately.It takes a few years for devs to start implementing it properly...

Note the difference in visuals between lauch titles,and 2009+ titles.That's the proof you need...

By the time devs start coding directly to metal,PC is already miles ahead of console graphics...

And no,coding to metal doesn't magically turn console GPUs to 580 GTXs,just to let you know.In fact,a 8800GTX,an aged 2006 GPU released at the same time as the PS3 can still play modern games at console-like settings,or better...

My friend replaced his last year...

If your standards on the PC are 720p w/ 30 FPS,you won't be upgrading often,that's for sure...

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Stop trolling, it's ingame you ass

Peredith

In game, interesting angle to display a game. Eh?

Show an actual in game pic featuring a tacometer or a map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MET3pu1K3o0

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

In game, interesting angle to display a game. Eh?

Show an actual in game pic featuring a tacometer or a map.

Tessellation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MET3pu1K3o0

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MET3pu1K3o0

Rocker6

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] jaw just dropped...amazing lighting.. lol at TC getting owned once again.Zlychop

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] jaw just dropped...amazing lighting.. lol at TC getting owned once again.Zlychop

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

This is an understatement,and a sad attempt at damage control...

Don't even need to read or acknowledge the rest of your post,you failed right at the start :lol:

Also,my fav racing games this Gen were GRID and Dirt series.For something more "wacky",I pick Hot Pursuit and Burnout Paradise...

I think I'll like CARS just fine...

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

Rocker6

This is an understatement,and a sad attempt at damage control...

Don't even need to read or acknowledge the rest of your post,you failed right at the start :lol:

Also,my fav racing games this Gen were GRID and Dirt series.For something more "wacky",I pick Hot Pursuit and Burnout Paradise...

I think I'll like CARS just fine...

He added me on steam a while back, and just to humor him I accepted, and he trolled there too. Pretty sad individual

How did I miss this absolute gem of a thread? :|

Seems like things went the same way as usual though.It is starting to seem like hermits are easily rustled and baited into troll threads though. But then again it's starting to seem like more and more console gamers are becoming trolls round here as the gen winds down.

I wish a day would come when one of these threads pops up and gets like 5 hits :P

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] jaw just dropped...amazing lighting.. lol at TC getting owned once again.Zlychop

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

And slightly? :lol:

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] jaw just dropped...amazing lighting.. lol at TC getting owned once again.Zlychop

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

seanmcloughlin

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] Forza at the end of the day will look slightly worse but it will be the way better game lol. Project CARS looks like a generic track sim, similar to the GTR series. Nice to look at, boring to play. Who wins?Zlychop

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Yeah,awesome...

Not a fan of the racing genre,played very few racing games,but think I'll be giving Project CARS a shot :)

seanmcloughlin

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

No way to adjust settings to make it more accessible?

Don't get me wrong,I love "hardcore" games and good challenges,but racing has never been among my favored genres...

I play racing games as a means of relaxation,and select lower difficulties.That's why I enjoy Dirt a lot,has a scallable dificulty,and beautiful visuals and enviroments,that improve the mood.Rally was my fav race type,ofc...

Still,no matter what,CARS looks awesome,it'd be hard to pass it up...

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] Forza at the end of the day will look slightly worse but it will be the way better game lol. Project CARS looks like a generic track sim, similar to the GTR series. Nice to look at, boring to play. Who wins?Zlychop

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

You mean not Casual trash?

also why is there an apostrophe in there?

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] Forza at the end of the day will look slightly worse but it will be the way better game lol. Project CARS looks like a generic track sim, similar to the GTR series. Nice to look at, boring to play. Who wins?Rocker6

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

No way to adjust settings to make it more accessible?

Don't get me wrong,I love "hardcore" games and good challenges,but racing has never been among my favored genres...

I play racing games as a means of relaxation,and select lower difficulties.That's why I enjoy Dirt a lot,has a scallable dificulty,and beautiful visuals and enviroments,that improve the mood.Rally was my fav race type,ofc...

Still,no matter what,CARS looks awesome,it'd be hard to pass it up...

The only way to make it more accessible is through a control scheme but the controls are already fairly simple and expected. It's the actual physics in the car's handling that makes it a steep learning curve. Each car handles very differently and if you try to play it like Forza you will spin your car out all the time. The cars are like real cars. Put a noob behind the wheel of a powerhouse F1 car and he tries to take off he will just burnout and hit a wall. But put a practiced person behind and they can run rings around people

[QUOTE="superclocked"]Xenos > X1900XT (unified shader architecture, FP processors coupled with the eDRAM)
7800GTX > RSX (half the memory bandwith, less ROP's)

Besides that, it's actually the fact that exclusive games are coded for one particular hardware set that makes them run so well...Inconsistancy

The video I linked is a 1950pro doing what can't be done by the consoles, and it's 'weaker' than the x1900xt

--------(pixel:vertex:rop)----------
1800xt--- 16:8:16 @625
1950pro 36:8:12 @ 575mhz
1900xt-- 48:8:16 @ 625mhz
"Xenos"-- 48:u:8 @ 500mhz

The eDRAM is used for MSAA, Crysis2 uses TemporalAA.

The (old) ATi gpu's are better in plenty of areas than the "Xenos" is, though it's better in some areas. They can't be compared exactly 1:1.

And you're comparing old ass hardware which is pretty moot. Also you said 'consoles' are suprerior and the "RSX" is clearly cutdown below its 2005 nvidia counterparts.

And since PS3 came out in 2006, and so did the nvidia 8800, which still crushes current gen consoles in all areas...

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Boring for you maybe or to someone who has the attention span of a 5 year old. Project cars is a pure racing sim through and through and takes a LOT of practice and hours to get good at. It's fun for the people who want that type of game, no one buys it for a quick racing fix.

Project cars is to racing games as Arma II is to shooting games. Big, deep, rich with a crap load of features and a steep learning curve

seanmcloughlin

No way to adjust settings to make it more accessible?

Don't get me wrong,I love "hardcore" games and good challenges,but racing has never been among my favored genres...

I play racing games as a means of relaxation,and select lower difficulties.That's why I enjoy Dirt a lot,has a scallable dificulty,and beautiful visuals and enviroments,that improve the mood.Rally was my fav race type,ofc...

Still,no matter what,CARS looks awesome,it'd be hard to pass it up...

The only way to make it more accessible is through a control scheme but the controls are already fairly simple and expected. It's the actual physics in the car's handling that makes it a steep learning curve. Each car handles very differently and if you try to play it like Forza you will spin your car out all the time. The cars are like real cars. Put a noob behind the wheel of a powerhouse F1 car and he tries to take off he will just burnout and hit a wall. But put a practiced person behind and they can run rings around people

I see,that sounds fair...

Think I'll manage to get into the game,then :)

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

miriPlays

Which makes it even worse for Forza that it got dominated by a game that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET.

[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

Goyoshi12

Which makes it even worse for Forza that it got dominated by a game that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET.

with a spork

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]Xenos > X1900XT (unified shader architecture, FP processors coupled with the eDRAM)
7800GTX > RSX (half the memory bandwith, less ROP's)

Besides that, it's actually the fact that exclusive games are coded for one particular hardware set that makes them run so well...superclocked

The video I linked is a 1950pro doing what can't be done by the consoles, and it's 'weaker' than the x1900xt

--------(pixel:vertex:rop)----------
1800xt--- 16:8:16 @625
1950pro 36:8:12 @ 575mhz
1900xt-- 48:8:16 @ 625mhz
"Xenos"-- 48:u:8 @ 500mhz

The eDRAM is used for MSAA, Crysis2 uses TemporalAA.

The (old) ATi gpu's are better in plenty of areas than the "Xenos" is, though it's better in some areas. They can't be compared exactly 1:1.

And you're comparing old ass hardware which is pretty moot. Also you said 'consoles' are suprerior and the "RSX" is clearly cutdown below its 2005 nvidia counterparts.

And since PS3 came out in 2006, and so did the nvidia 8800, which still crushes current gen consoles in all areas...

The 192 "pixel processors" are responsible for ROP-related operations. 192 processors are use for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing(MSAA).

From Beyond3D...

Despite references to 192 processing elements in to the ROP's within the
eDRAM we can actually resolve that to equating to 8 pixels writes per cycle,
as well as having the capability to double the Z rate when there are no
colour operations. However, as the ROP's have been targeted to provide 4x
Multi-Sampling FSAA at no penalty this equates to a total capability of 32
colour samples or 64 Z and stencil operations per cycle.

Modern PC GPU also has specialized ROP related hardware for the above e.g. 16X MSAA @1080p.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

miriPlays

Which makes it even worse for Forza that it got dominated by a game that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET.

with a spork

Yeah that's never gonna happen.

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]
eDRAM is used for MSAA, Crysis2 uses temporal AA

The video I linked is a 1950pro doing what can't be done by the consoles, and it's 'weaker' than the x1900xt

--------(pixel:vertex:rop)----------
1800xt--- 16:8:16 @625
1950pro 36:8:12 @ 575mhz
1900xt-- 48:8:16 @ 625mhz
"Xenos"-- 48:u:8 @ 500mhz

The eDRAM is used for MSAA, Crysis2 uses TemporalAA.

The (old) ATi gpu's are better in plenty of areas than the "Xenos" is, though it's better in some areas. They can't be compared exactly 1:1.

And you're comparing old ass hardware which is pretty moot. Also you said 'consoles' are suprerior and the "RSX" is clearly cutdown below its 2005 nvidia counterparts.

And since PS3 came out in 2006, and so did the nvidia 8800, which still crushes current gen consoles in all areas...

ronvalencia

192 processors are use for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing(MSAA).

Modern PC GPU also has specialized hardware for the above.

How did I miss this absolute gem of a thread? :|

Seems like things went the same way as usual though.It is starting to seem like hermits are easily rustled and baited into troll threads though. But then again it's starting to seem like more and more console gamers are becoming trolls round here as the gen winds down.

I wish a day would come when one of these threads pops up and gets like 5 hits :P

seanmcloughlin

lol, what? Seriously, I have no clue what point you're trying to make here, and I have no clue what video you're talking about. I was responding the first message. And I did not say that consoles are superior, LOL.. I'm a PC gamer btw, but I do know a good bit about the consoles. The eDRAM has 192 floating point processors attached with insane bandwidth that can perform any number of functions, not just anti-aliasing...superclocked

X1950pro, Crysis2

It's on the first page.

"NEC designed eDRAM die includes additional logic (192 parallel pixel processors) for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing called Intelligent Memory, giving developers 4-sample anti-aliasing at very little performance cost."

And lastly, My bad for mistaking you for the TC.

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

miriPlays

Consoles are more optimized but they aren't superior in any way. Once you game on PC, you can't really go back to consoles because 75% of console games look straight trash. I tried playing BF3 MP on PS3 and I wanted to stab myself in the eye balls. Nonstop-Madness

I recently gave up on PC gaming. I used to have a GTX 580 in my i7-3820 system and used to mainly play on PC. I sold my GTX 580, and bought a Radeon HD 6450 with passive cooling and ended up with about $160 leftover, not counting the $15 rebate for my HD 6450. I own a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and they fill my gaming purposes just fine. I know I'm giving up graphics quality and frame rate for simplicity, less bugs, and no dealing with DRM. If I ever decide to return to PC gaming, the only thing I would have to change in my system would be the graphics card but I can't see myself returning to PC gaming any time soon. Most games are multiplatform anyways and PC hardly get's exclusives anymore, and the exclusives that I have for the PC I got bored of them.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Consoles are more optimized but they aren't superior in any way. Once you game on PC, you can't really go back to consoles because 75% of console games look straight trash. I tried playing BF3 MP on PS3 and I wanted to stab myself in the eye balls. DJP3000

I recently gave up on PC gaming. I used to have a GTX 580 in my i7-3820 system and used to mainly play on PC. I sold my GTX 580, and bought a Radeon HD 6450 with passive cooling and ended up with about $160 leftover, not counting the $15 rebate for my HD 6450. I own a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and they fill my gaming purposes just fine. I know I'm giving up graphics quality and frame rate for simplicity, less bugs, and no dealing with DRM. If I ever decide to return to PC gaming, the only thing I would have to change in my system would be the graphics card but I can't see myself returning to PC gaming any time soon. Most games are multiplatform anyways and PC hardly get's exclusives anymore, and the exclusives that I have for the PC I got bored of them.

X1950pro, Crysis2

It's on the first page, didn't you read your own thread?

"NEC designed eDRAM die includes additional logic (192 parallel pixel processors) for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing called Intelligent Memory, giving developers 4-sample anti-aliasing at very little performance cost."

And lastly, "Consoles are superior to the PC on a technical level" that's your title, you 'did' say that.

Inconsistancy

What? :?

The thread is made by Zlychop,and you're talking to superclocked...

[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

RyviusARC

What do you use for recording these videos?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

X1950pro, Crysis2

It's on the first page, didn't you read your own thread?

"NEC designed eDRAM die includes additional logic (192 parallel pixel processors) for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing called Intelligent Memory, giving developers 4-sample anti-aliasing at very little performance cost."

And lastly, "Consoles are superior to the PC on a technical level" that's your title, you 'did' say that.

Rocker6

What? :?

The thread is made by Zlychop,and you're talking to superclocked...

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="miriPlays"]

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

Rocker6

What do you use for recording these videos?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Consoles are more optimized but they aren't superior in any way. Once you game on PC, you can't really go back to consoles because 75% of console games look straight trash. I tried playing BF3 MP on PS3 and I wanted to stab myself in the eye balls. DJP3000

I recently gave up on PC gaming. I used to have a GTX 580 in my i7-3820 system and used to mainly play on PC. I sold my GTX 580, and bought a Radeon HD 6450 with passive cooling and ended up with about $160 leftover, not counting the $15 rebate for my HD 6450. I own a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and they fill my gaming purposes just fine. I know I'm giving up graphics quality and frame rate for simplicity, less bugs, and no dealing with DRM. If I ever decide to return to PC gaming, the only thing I would have to change in my system would be the graphics card but I can't see myself returning to PC gaming any time soon. Most games are multiplatform anyways and PC hardly get's exclusives anymore, and the exclusives that I have for the PC I got bored of them.

Both PS3 and Xbox 360 includes DRM hardware.

[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

RyviusARC

[QUOTE="DJP3000"]

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Consoles are more optimized but they aren't superior in any way. Once you game on PC, you can't really go back to consoles because 75% of console games look straight trash. I tried playing BF3 MP on PS3 and I wanted to stab myself in the eye balls. ronvalencia

I recently gave up on PC gaming. I used to have a GTX 580 in my i7-3820 system and used to mainly play on PC. I sold my GTX 580, and bought a Radeon HD 6450 with passive cooling and ended up with about $160 leftover, not counting the $15 rebate for my HD 6450. I own a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and they fill my gaming purposes just fine. I know I'm giving up graphics quality and frame rate for simplicity, less bugs, and no dealing with DRM. If I ever decide to return to PC gaming, the only thing I would have to change in my system would be the graphics card but I can't see myself returning to PC gaming any time soon. Most games are multiplatform anyways and PC hardly get's exclusives anymore, and the exclusives that I have for the PC I got bored of them.

Do I need to logon to Origin to play EA games on my consoles? No

Is there a console game that requires me to be online for single player? No

Is there a console game that requires me to create an account with the publisher in order to play it? No

If someone here mentions online passes in many consoles games to play multiplayer online, that doesn't count as DRM in my eyes.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="DJP3000"]

I recently gave up on PC gaming. I used to have a GTX 580 in my i7-3820 system and used to mainly play on PC. I sold my GTX 580, and bought a Radeon HD 6450 with passive cooling and ended up with about $160 leftover, not counting the $15 rebate for my HD 6450. I own a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and they fill my gaming purposes just fine. I know I'm giving up graphics quality and frame rate for simplicity, less bugs, and no dealing with DRM. If I ever decide to return to PC gaming, the only thing I would have to change in my system would be the graphics card but I can't see myself returning to PC gaming any time soon. Most games are multiplatform anyways and PC hardly get's exclusives anymore, and the exclusives that I have for the PC I got bored of them.

DJP3000

Do I need to logon to Origin to play EA games on my consoles? No

Is there a console game that requires me to be online for single player? No

Is there a console game that requires me to create an account with the publisher in order to play it? No

If someone here mentions online passes in many consoles games to play multiplayer online, that doesn't count as DRM in my eyes.

There's a reason why AMD plans to include ARM based hardware security into all future AMD APUs.

Current Intel processors already includes hardware security but they are not used it like a console OS.

With Intel processors, Microsoft can lock the x86 PC into an Xbox i.e zero freedom, Apple style dictatorship/close box/garden wall.

Windows 8 already has Xbox type "garden wall" i.e. refer to Windows 8 RT ARM version. Windows 8 X86 version has this feature disabled (for now) i.e. thanks AMD for not including DRM hardware (different from blu-ray hardware DRM).

Because this threat exist, companies such as Valve is already looking at Linux X86.

Be careful what you wish for.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="miriPlays"]

Still, technically isn't out yet though it looks like it could effortlessly take the title when it is. Forza remains until then.

miriPlays

people still try to compare ancient hardware graphics from consoles to pc? funnny guys.

[QUOTE="miriPlays"] But the details.... Forza has an emphasis on cars and it shows. Models and the overall visual presentation are unmatched.RyviusARC

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="miriPlays"] But the details.... Forza has an emphasis on cars and it shows. Models and the overall visual presentation are unmatched.miriPlays