Consoles are superior to the PC on a technical level

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#151 Peredith
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

The peasants are revolting.

menes777

What's funny is that these uprisings usually defeat themselves from the very beginning. :lol:

As soon as they post a screenshot of their "amazing looking games" they're defeated :lol:

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#152 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

The peasants are revolting.

Peredith

What's funny is that these uprisings usually defeat themselves from the very beginning. :lol:

As soon as they post a screenshot of their "amazing looking games" they're defeated :lol:

Better yet,as soon as they think of making a thread like this,they're defeated :lol:

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#153 jer_1
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My lord, this is an idiotic thread. The OP must think that PC players are stuck with sh*t graphics cards or something. Maybe 7+ years ago PC games looked as terrible as PS3 & 360 games but they have moved far and beyond it.

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#154 -Unreal-
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(dont u dare say anything Unreal)

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BOOBS

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#155 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="darkdude2k12"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Show me a X1900XTX (360 GPU) or a 7800 GTX (PS3 GPU) capable of running these visuals at acceptable frame rates

No way does a PC 7800 GTX run BF3 and look like this with anything above 15 FPS, LOL.

Feel free to support this thread and post more good looking console games.

These are games that had to be EXPERTLY and very technically coded (moreso than your average PC game) to run on such old hardware and yet the do.

Superior their equivalents for a fraction of the cost.

780 GTX was $599 at launch and the X1900XTX was $650 at launch and they struggle to run any of todays games even at 30 fps, yet the consoles can do it.

Zlychop

Agreed.

PS360's amazing just based off the fact it's 6 year old hardware pulling off Crysis, BF, Gears etc.

If PC's were to remain with 2006 hardware without an upgrade it wouldn't last; let alone would it actually have an acceptable framerate.

Exactly, I'm not saying that consoles have better hardware today. Technically the games are more advanced if they can keep up with the PC today. Look at games like The Last of Us, Halo 4, and others. People thought Crysis 1 would be impossible to run on consoles, and it isn't despite the hardware.

Lol at you agreeing with him.

If PCs were to remain with 2006 hardware it wouldn't make a difference because games would be built around that hardware.

Herpaderp. JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH CONSOLE GAMES. Herp

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#156 tjricardo089
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Stupid thread is stupid.

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#157 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="darkdude2k12"]

Agreed.

PS360's amazing just based off the fact it's 6 year old hardware pulling off Crysis, BF, Gears etc.

If PC's were to remain with 2006 hardware without an upgrade it wouldn't last; let alone would it actually have an acceptable framerate.

-Unreal-

Exactly, I'm not saying that consoles have better hardware today. Technically the games are more advanced if they can keep up with the PC today. Look at games like The Last of Us, Halo 4, and others. People thought Crysis 1 would be impossible to run on consoles, and it isn't despite the hardware.

Lol at you agreeing with him.

If PCs were to remain with 2006 hardware it wouldn't make a difference because games would be built around that hardware.

Herpaderp. JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH CONSOLE GAMES. Herp

This right here. Also, Crysis 1 looks like garbage on consoles. I thought we already agreed on this.
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#158 andrew01093
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So tired of these kinds of threads. However PC fan boys have no right to ever complain about fake bull shots. They mod games all the time and then post screen and say there the original all the time. Crysis 1 being their biggest scam.
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#159 tormentos
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"X1900XTX (360 GPU) or a 7800 GTX (PS3 GPU)"

Wrong on both

The "Xenos" was closer to the 1800XT or even more like the 1950pro(lower performance in some areas, but better shader performance than the 1800xt), not the 1900XT, that woulda crushed it.

And the "RSX" is a 'cut down' 7800GT, not even a GTX.

And of course a 7800GTX may have some trouble(espeically the 256mb), it has far fewer shader pipelines than the 360, and desktop cpu's don't function like the Cell. Apples to Radiator comparison.

X1950pro, Crysis2

Goodbye.

Inconsistancy
Between system and GPU memory 2.5 GB... The 360 doesn't even have 512 for video,and the PS3 has 256,the PS3 with 512MB of memory would ran way better than that,hell i don't even consider that video Uncharted 3 or Gears 3 look like quality.
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#160 lundy86_4
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So tired of these kinds of threads. However PC fan boys have no right to ever complain about fake bull shots. They mod games all the time and then post screen and say there the original all the time. Crysis 1 being their biggest scam.andrew01093

Prove this... If not, then shut up.

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#161 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="andrew01093"]So tired of these kinds of threads. However PC fan boys have no right to ever complain about fake bull shots. They mod games all the time and then post screen and say there the original all the time. Crysis 1 being their biggest scam.lundy86_4

Prove this... If not, then shut up.

uncharted 3 > graphics than crysis
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#162 Riadon2
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So tired of these kinds of threads. However PC fan boys have no right to ever complain about fake bull shots. They mod games all the time and then post screen and say there the original all the time. Crysis 1 being their biggest scam.andrew01093
The difference being that the mods can be easily run from our PCs, but console bullshots cannot and look nothing like the finished product.
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#163 Riadon2
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="andrew01093"]So tired of these kinds of threads. However PC fan boys have no right to ever complain about fake bull shots. They mod games all the time and then post screen and say there the original all the time. Crysis 1 being their biggest scam.PinnacleGamingP

Prove this... If not, then shut up.

uncharted 3 > graphics than crysis

 VS.  Lol.
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#164 PinnacleGamingP
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yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:
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#165 Riadon2
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yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:PinnacleGamingP
So you are saying that the screenshot that I took during my playthrough isn't realtime? Plus, uncharted 3 graphics are disgusting and I don't know where you got the "moving environments" crap from. I suppose I shouldn't expect so much from a hardcore Cow.
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#166 Jebus213
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30FPS and 720p....
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#167 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:Riadon2
So you are saying that the screenshot that I took during my playthrough isn't realtime? Plus, uncharted 3 graphics are disgusting and I don't know where you got the "moving environments" crap from. I suppose I shouldn't expect so much from a hardcore Cow.

have you ever ven played it? cuz it sure sounds like a no
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#169 Riadon2
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[QUOTE="Riadon2"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:PinnacleGamingP
So you are saying that the screenshot that I took during my playthrough isn't realtime? Plus, uncharted 3 graphics are disgusting and I don't know where you got the "moving environments" crap from. I suppose I shouldn't expect so much from a hardcore Cow.

have you ever ven played it? cuz it sure sounds like a no

A better question to ask is, have you played Crysis? It is far more dynamic and impressive than your little linear Indiana Jones movie wannabe. Also, is it so hard to use spellcheck?
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#170 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="Riadon2"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:PinnacleGamingP
So you are saying that the screenshot that I took during my playthrough isn't realtime? Plus, uncharted 3 graphics are disgusting and I don't know where you got the "moving environments" crap from. I suppose I shouldn't expect so much from a hardcore Cow.

have you ever ven played it? cuz it sure sounds like a no

Crysis on PC is a much better looking game than Uncharted 3. Stop talking out your ass.
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#171 jun_aka_pekto
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I love Uncharted 2 and plan to buy Uncharted 3. I like how those games look, but not because of technical graphics. I think Crysis still looks better.

Vanilla:

crysis2012010721164246.jpg

crysis64201205291731350.jpg

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#172 superclocked
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[QUOTE="Riadon2"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:PinnacleGamingP
So you are saying that the screenshot that I took during my playthrough isn't realtime? Plus, uncharted 3 graphics are disgusting and I don't know where you got the "moving environments" crap from. I suppose I shouldn't expect so much from a hardcore Cow.

have you ever ven played it? cuz it sure sounds like a no

Uncharted is not impressive to PC gamers for a reason. Try playing a PC game on decent hardware at true 1080p resolution with 16xAF, 8xMSAA, Ambient Occlusion, etc.. It sounds like you haven't...
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#173 Riadon2
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I love Uncharted 2 and plan to buy Uncharted 3. I like how those games look, but not because of technical graphics. I think Crysis still looks better.jun_aka_pekto

The graphics still look a lot better than Uncharted 3, but you should download some mods like Reli2 TOD and Rygel texture pack and High Resolution foliage and HD Rocks and XZero Pom/AF shader.

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#174 superclocked
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Also.. Xenos > X1900XT (unified shader architecture, FP processors coupled with the eDRAM) 7800GTX > RSX (half the memory bandwith, less ROP's) Besides that, it's actually the fact that exclusive games are coded for one particular hardware set that makes them run so well...
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#175 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I love Uncharted 2 and plan to buy Uncharted 3. I like how those games look, but not because of technical graphics. I think Crysis still looks better.Riadon2

The graphics still look a lot better than Uncharted 3, but you should download some mods like Reli2 TOD and Rygel texture pack and High Resolution foliage and HD Rocks and XZero Pom/AF shader.

I've tried some. I might try Rygel's texture pack again. But, I'm satisfied with the Natural Mod and an otherwise, vanilla Crysis. Vanilla Crysis is the closest in colors of real-life jungles I've been to (Colombia and Philippines).

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#176 Nanomage
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I love Uncharted 2 and plan to buy Uncharted 3. I like how those games look, but not because of technical graphics. I think Crysis still looks better.

jun_aka_pekto

It´s not even a matter of wich one looks better,it more like how much better Crysis looks compared to Uncharted,and it looks way,way better than any Uncharted game at it´s best.

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#177 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="andrew01093"]So tired of these kinds of threads. However PC fan boys have no right to ever complain about fake bull shots. They mod games all the time and then post screen and say there the original all the time. Crysis 1 being their biggest scam.PinnacleGamingP

Prove this... If not, then shut up.

uncharted 3 > graphics than crysis

Your proof is lacking the "proof" part :lol:

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#178 Riadon2
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[QUOTE="Riadon2"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I love Uncharted 2 and plan to buy Uncharted 3. I like how those games look, but not because of technical graphics. I think Crysis still looks better.jun_aka_pekto

The graphics still look a lot better than Uncharted 3, but you should download some mods like Reli2 TOD and Rygel texture pack and High Resolution foliage and HD Rocks and XZero Pom/AF shader.

I've tried some. I might try Rygel's texture pack again. But, I'm satisfied with the Natural Mod and an otherwise, vanilla Crysis. Vanilla Crysis is the closest in colors of real-life jungles I've been to (Colombia and Philippines).

If you like vanilla, you should just download the texture mods (and the shader for enabling POM with AF) as the overall look is the same, just more detailed.
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#179 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Riadon2"] The graphics still look a lot better than Uncharted 3, but you should download some mods like Reli2 TOD and Rygel texture pack and High Resolution foliage and HD Rocks and XZero Pom/AF shader.

Riadon2

I've tried some. I might try Rygel's texture pack again. But, I'm satisfied with the Natural Mod and an otherwise, vanilla Crysis. Vanilla Crysis is the closest in colors of real-life jungles I've been to (Colombia and Philippines).

If you like vanilla, you should just download the texture mods (and the shader for enabling POM with AF) as the overall look is the same, just more detailed.

I might reinstall Rygel's Texture Mod or some of the others later. Right now though, I'm devoting some quality time to the PS3 (KZ3, UC2, FIFA 11). He He :lol: After a while, I'll get the urge to replay the Crysis games again.

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#180 MW2ismygame
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[QUOTE="Riadon2"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]yea....plus uncharted has real time gameplay with moving environs with those graphics, i laugh at all the lemmings (thats right, lemmings) who used to lie and call crysis an open world game :lol:PinnacleGamingP
So you are saying that the screenshot that I took during my playthrough isn't realtime? Plus, uncharted 3 graphics are disgusting and I don't know where you got the "moving environments" crap from. I suppose I shouldn't expect so much from a hardcore Cow.

have you ever ven played it? cuz it sure sounds like a no

Dont you have better things to do pinnacle ? like banging some rocks together or something ? your posts make every member of GS IQ go down a few points. on topic, NO. 0/10
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#181 Inconsistancy
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Xenos > X1900XT (unified shader architecture, FP processors coupled with the eDRAM)
7800GTX > RSX (half the memory bandwith, less ROP's)

Besides that, it's actually the fact that exclusive games are coded for one particular hardware set that makes them run so well...superclocked


eDRAM is used for MSAA, Crysis2 uses temporal AA

The video I linked is a 1950pro doing what can't be done by the consoles, and it's 'weaker' than the x1900xt

--------(pixel:vertex:rop)----------
1800xt--- 16:8:16 @625
1950pro 36:8:12 @ 575mhz
1900xt-- 48:8:16 @ 625mhz
"Xenos"-- 48:u:8 @ 500mhz

The eDRAM is used for MSAA, Crysis2 uses TemporalAA.

The (old) ATi gpu's are better in plenty of areas than the "Xenos" is, though it's better in some areas. They can't be compared exactly 1:1.

And you're comparing old ass hardware which is pretty moot. Also you said 'consoles' are suprerior and the "RSX" is clearly cutdown below its 2005 nvidia counterparts.

And since PS3 came out in 2006, and so did the nvidia 8800, which still crushes current gen consoles in all areas...

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#182 RyviusARC
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The 8600gt can run games at console settings and sometimes better. The 8600gt is basically around a 7600gt but with unified shaders so it does a lot better in shader intensive games. If the game is not shader intensive then a 7800gtx would perform quite a bit better than any console and this is easily seen in games released early this console generation.
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#183 Inconsistancy
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Between system and GPU memory 2.5 GB...

The 360 doesn't even have 512 for video,and the PS3 has 256,the PS3 with 512MB of memory would ran way better than that,hell i don't even consider that video Uncharted 3 or Gears 3 look like quality.tormentos

Vram isn't a big deal in resolution, unless you're using MSAA

vram_usage

That's nearly 1920x1080 vs 428x242, and that only costs 56mb of vram.

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#184 Zlychop
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30FPS and 720p....Jebus213
All those are negated at normal TV distance, where as on a PC monitor the 30 fps and lack of 1080p res is more noticeable.
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#185 Riadon2
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]30FPS and 720p....Zlychop
All those are negated at normal TV distance, where as on a PC monitor the 30 fps and lack of 1080p res is more noticeable.

I guess I am some kind of superhuman then, because it is very noticeable for me from about 15 feet away.
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#186 Blackbond
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Is this thread serious? This is really what its come down to? A bunch of clowns talking about six year old PC hardware because they fear the lastest and greatest of what the gaming world has to offer?


I remember my first stint with System Wars. It was all about the consoles. But now I have come back more enlightened. Consoles for graphics are trash. Deal with it.

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#187 MlauTheDaft
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When Hermits do this, it's arrogance at worst.

Consolite threads of this kind are stupid at best.

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#188 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]30FPS and 720p....Zlychop
All those are negated at normal TV distance, where as on a PC monitor the 30 fps and lack of 1080p res is more noticeable.

Wat, distance doesn't mean anything to frame rate, it's obvious from 4 feet away, and obvious from 40 feet away. So long as you can clearly see the display, you'll notice framerate.
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#189 miriPlays
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I'd honestly say FM4 is the best looking racer on any platform (GT5's best in a close second, disregarding photo mode). Even if they get the lighting right, PC racers never have comparabe car models.

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#190 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="Jebus213"]30FPS and 720p....Riadon2
All those are negated at normal TV distance, where as on a PC monitor the 30 fps and lack of 1080p res is more noticeable.

I guess I am some kind of superhuman then, because it is very noticeable for me from about 15 feet away.

especially if it requires reading text or spotting a target far in the distance.

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#191 Zlychop
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I'd honestly say FM4 is the best looking racer on any platform (GT5's best in a close second, disregarding photo mode). Even if they get the lighting right, PC racers never have comparabe car models.

miriPlays
Very true, PC does lack in racing game visuals. Project C.A.R.S. or The new NFS Most Wanted game might change this.
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#192 Zlychop
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Only diehard hermits really care about 30 fps or full 1080p gaming honestly.

Console games look good enough considering what they are ran on.

Graphics cards can cost more than a console itself.

Think about that.

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#193 Inconsistancy
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I'd honestly say FM4 is the best looking racer on any platform (GT5's best in a close second, disregarding photo mode). Even if they get the lighting right, PC racers never have comparabe car models.

miriPlays

cars

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#194 wis3boi
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I'd honestly say FM4 is the best looking racer on any platform (GT5's best in a close second, disregarding photo mode). Even if they get the lighting right, PC racers never have comparabe car models.

miriPlays

Nope.

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#195 Inconsistancy
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Only diehard hermits really care about 30 fps or full 1080p gaming honestly.

Console games look good enough considering what they are ran on.

Graphics cards can cost more than a console itself.

Think about that.

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The GPU's in the Consoles cost more than the consoles themselves at launch too. Subsidized hardware. And an 80$ GPU today can put the consoles to shame.

Even console only gamers notice the difference of 30 and 60 FPS, I've heard people say ~"CoD just feels smoother than other shooters..."

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#196 miriPlays
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What are those from?

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#197 Inconsistancy
Member since 2004 • 8094 Posts

What are those from?

miriPlays
Project CARS.
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#198 Zlychop
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[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

I'd honestly say FM4 is the best looking racer on any platform (GT5's best in a close second, disregarding photo mode). Even if they get the lighting right, PC racers never have comparabe car models.

wis3boi

Nope.

projectcars008.png

Bullshot, game isn't even out yet. Show us an image with an actual HUD or something in game.
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#199 Zlychop
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[QUOTE="Zlychop"]

Only diehard hermits really care about 30 fps or full 1080p gaming honestly.

Console games look good enough considering what they are ran on.

Graphics cards can cost more than a console itself.

Think about that.

Inconsistancy

The GPU's in the Consoles cost more than the consoles themselves at launch too. Subsidized hardware. And an 80$ GPU today can put the consoles to shame.

Even console only gamers notice the difference of 30 and 60 FPS, I've heard people say ~"CoD just feels smoother than other shooters..."

While that $80 GPU is stronger than the GPU in consoles, the games will still run worse on it. Console coding is directly to the metal;. PC isn't so cards that should run games better they can, don't.
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#200 miriPlays
Member since 2012 • 190 Posts
[QUOTE="miriPlays"]

What are those from?

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Thought so. My point stands.