Consoles aren't "trash."

I see this exact ohrase come up alot here. "Consolized trash." And, I'm sorry, it's not true. Just because a console game is "inferior" (which is purley subjective anyways) to a PC game doesn't make it bad. Also, many people act like, because a game is on a console, it's instantly awful. Well, devs can develop games that are as "deep" or whatever as PC games, it's just a question of whether or not they decide to. I mean, I've played a game that is deeper and more complex than some PC games on a handheld.

I'm not saying consoles are better or whatever, but I am saying that they aren't the "trash" some people make them out to be. (And hey, as a change of pace, how about we don't talk about graphics for once?)

They're not trash at all. People saying that games are consolized trash are simply putting forth their opinion. Just don't take it seriously.

Should just ignore such phrases.siLVURcross

Eh, I feel like having an argument about this today. I'm bored right now.

*Looks at Mw2 on PC.*

*Looks at Mw2 on PC.*

Jebus213

A bad game is a bad game regardless of the system.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

*Looks at Mw2 on PC.*

turtlethetaffer

A bad game is a bad game regardless of the system.

Fact is on PC its consolized trash.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

*Looks at Mw2 on PC.*

Jebus213

A bad game is a bad game regardless of the system.

Fact is on PC its consolized trash.

Did you think there would be signifigant differences between the versions? You obviously haven't paid much attention to CoD at all. There's not many differences between the new games every year, let alone multiplat versions.

I see this exact ohrase come up alot here. "Consolized trash." And, I'm sorry, it's not true. Just because a console game is "inferior" (which is purley subjective anyways)

turtlethetaffer

Math isn't subjective. Higher Resolutions, Frame Rates, Textures whatever are not subjective. Whether it means a difference to you or not is.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I see this exact ohrase come up alot here. "Consolized trash." And, I'm sorry, it's not true. Just because a console game is "inferior" (which is purley subjective anyways)

The__Havoc

Math isn't subjective. Higher Resolutions, Frame Rates, Textures whatever are not subjective. Whether it means a difference to you or not is.

I wasn't talking purley about graphics. Because there is more to a game than graphics.

That PC elitists for you. Everything on consoles are trash according to them because of the graphics.

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

Fact is on PC its consolized trash.

Jebus213

Did you think there would be signifigant differences between the versions? You obviously haven't paid much attention to CoD at all. There's not many differences between the new games every year, let alone multiplat versions.

...and? so because one (bad) game is on PC that means all of consoles are bad?

You're taking things out of context.

"Consolized trash" (not "consoles are trash") is a term usually referred to games that have success on consoles but are considered crap by PC standards.

Call of Duty's past 4 are a fine example of this.

They aren't, but you know those Herms, saying stuff.....:P

You're taking things out of context.

"Consolized trash" (not "consoles are trash") is a term usually referred to games that have success on consoles but are considered crap by PC standards.

Call of Duty's past 4 are a fine example of this.

N30F3N1X

Are you trying to tell me that if a game doesn't meet someone's standards that they have no room to hate on it?

Yeah...remember that Modern Warfare 2 Steam boycott group? Tell me, how did that work out?drinkerofjuice

Relevance = 0%.

You're taking things out of context.

"Consolized trash" (not "consoles are trash") is a term usually referred to games that have success on consoles but are considered crap by PC standards.

Call of Duty's past 4 are a fine example of this.

N30F3N1X

Incorrect.

Consolized games happen when games in a PC-centric series goes multi-platform and the developers by choice (or publisher's force) choose to go with a much causal-player friendly strategy to the game. Crysis 1 to Crysis 2. Past Rainbows Sixs to Modern Rainbows Six. Past Ghost Recon to Modern Ghost Recon.

I personally don't use the name consolized as much, I use casualization. However, I'm not going to remain ignorant and not say that most of the time, this process happens is when games are being targeted toward the console audience.

BTW: You can't call console-centric games who started as console-centric games, consolized trash.

Super Mario is not consolized trash because the direction has always been similar and was born on consoles (technically comics and arcade). Samething with Legend of Zelda, Killzone, Uncharted, etc. etc.

and yes their are causal gamers on PC, we have one of the largest. However, developers tend to focus on smaller groups of people when developing for PC games. (For example, focus on only the hardcore PC gamers, etc) While developers tend to lump every console player into a large group (or near it).

Incorrect. Consolized games happen when games in a PC-centric series goes multi-platform and the developers by choice (or publisher's force) choose to go with a much causal-player friendly strategy to the game. Crysis 1 to Crysis 2. Past Rainbows Sixs to Modern Rainbows Six. Past Ghost Recon to Modern Ghost Recon. I personally don't use the name consolized as much, I use casualization. However, I'm not going to remain ignorant and not say that most of the time, this process happens is when games are being targeted toward the console audience.ShadowDeathX

That's consolized games, not consolized trash.

DA2 was trash

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Incorrect. Consolized games happen when games in a PC-centric series goes multi-platform and the developers by choice (or publisher's force) choose to go with a much causal-player friendly strategy to the game. Crysis 1 to Crysis 2. Past Rainbows Sixs to Modern Rainbows Six. Past Ghost Recon to Modern Ghost Recon. I personally don't use the name consolized as much, I use casualization. However, I'm not going to remain ignorant and not say that most of the time, this process happens is when games are being targeted toward the console audience.N30F3N1X

That's consolized games, not consolized trash.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

You're taking things out of context.

"Consolized trash" (not "consoles are trash") is a term usually referred to games that have success on consoles but are considered crap by PC standards.

Call of Duty's past 4 are a fine example of this.

drinkerofjuice

Less people play Mw2 then CoD4: http://www.xfire.com/games/cod4/Call_of_Duty_4_Modern_Warfare/

Nothing is trash, regardless of whether a person may like a platform or not. You would have to be jaded to choose a system and not find a great gaming experience on it.

I do disagree with the terms people may use for it, but it mostly refers to a developer reworking a game's sequel and/or its features to suit a larger audience. It's hard to give proper examples because they could be deemed as opinionated. The examples I often hear are CoD4: MW1 downgraded to MW2, Dragon Age downgraded to Dragon Age 2, and Crysis downgraded to Crysis 2.

The games used in the examples above do not necessarily mean that the sequels are "bad", but most people say that their sequels are a shadow of their previous games, losing features and mechanics that made the original game worthwhile. Again, I do say it is wrong to solely blame consoles for it because each of the games sequels aimed to reach a bigger audience on all systems including PC, but the general idea of changing a game's sequel to attract a completely different audience still stands.

DA2 was trash

-Snooze-

Nothing is trash, regardless of whether a person may like a platform or not. You would have to be jaded to choose a system and not find a great gaming experience on it.

I do disagree with the terms people may use for it, but it mostly refers to a developer reworking a game's sequel and/or its features to suit a larger audience. It's hard to give proper examples because they could be deemed as opinionated. The examples I often hear are CoD4: MW1 downgraded to MW2, Dragon Age downgraded to Dragon Age 2, and Crysis downgraded to Crysis 2.

The games used in the examples above do not necessarily mean that the sequels are "bad", but most people say that their sequels are a shadow of their previous games, losing features and mechanics that made the original game worthwhile. Again, I do say it is wrong to solely blame consoles for it because each of the games sequels aimed to reach a bigger audience on all systems including PC, but the general idea of changing a game's sequel to attract a completely different audience still stands.

Valiant_Rebel

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

DA2 was trash

TrapJak

I personally blame everyone. Everyone.

Consolized trash are games that have gone far away from their original direction. For example; if ARMA was transformed into a Call of Duty arcade shooter (while trying to please the console audience), it would be considered as consolized trash by some groups.ShadowDeathX

Pardon me, I didn't elaborate enough.

A consolized game may still be a good game although such cases are rare (I can only think of Mass Effect 2), consolized trash are games that would be considered bad even if they had a proper PC port, but still have success on consoles.

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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

DA2 was trash

Stringerboy

But mostly EA's.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Consolized trash are games that have gone far away from their original direction. For example; if ARMA was transformed into a Call of Duty arcade shooter (while trying to please the console audience), it would be considered as consolized trash by some groups.N30F3N1X

Pardon me, I didn't elaborate enough.

A consolized game may still be a good game although such cases are rare (I can only think of Mass Effect 2), consolized trash are games that would be considered bad even if they had a proper PC port, but still have success on consoles.

The games used in the examples above do not necessarily mean that the sequels are "bad", but most people say that their sequels are a shadow of their previous games, losing features and mechanics that made the original game worthwhile. Again, I do say it is wrong to solely blame consoles for it because each of the games sequels aimed to reach a bigger audience on all systems including PC, but the general idea of changing a game's sequel to attract a completely different audience still stands.

Valiant_Rebel

Exactly. There is nothing inherently wrong with trying to attract a bigger crowd, but a game sequel should advance a franchise and not take it backwards. When one starts removing features that a game has and replaces it with different features, especially those that make it "easier" to play, is where one starts thinking console trash or consolized game. In all honesty, if a publisher or developer is trying to "attract" a larger audience, create a new franchise and give it it's owon features and mechanics separate from the other franchise and let it build it's own identity instead of trying to rebuild the identity of an already popular franchise popular for it's feature or mechanic set. I can think of one publisher who has not learned that lesson.

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

You're taking things out of context.

"Consolized trash" (not "consoles are trash") is a term usually referred to games that have success on consoles but are considered crap by PC standards.

Call of Duty's past 4 are a fine example of this.

Jebus213

Less people play Mw2 then CoD4: http://www.xfire.com/games/cod4/Call_of_Duty_4_Modern_Warfare/

So, you have two games, one of which includes integrated friends lists and chat, and another that does not, and your source for comparing them is an application that provides a friends list and chat? You don't think your data is a little bit suspect?lowe0

No, it's not suspect in any way.

People won't shut down xfire because they're playing a game that has an integrated system like it.

If you have the money, go for Pc gaming, if not, then you go for consoles. The only reason to stick with them really is the exclusives. :?

[QUOTE="lowe0"] So, you have two games, one of which includes integrated friends lists and chat, and another that does not, and your source for comparing them is an application that provides a friends list and chat? You don't think your data is a little bit suspect?N30F3N1X

No, it's not suspect in any way.

People won't shut down xfire because they're playing a game that has an integrated system like it.

Nothing is trash, regardless of whether a person may like a platform or not. You would have to be jaded to choose a system and not find a great gaming experience on it.

I do disagree with the terms people may use for it, but it mostly refers to a developer reworking a game's sequel and/or its features to suit a larger audience. It's hard to give proper examples because they could be deemed as opinionated. The examples I often hear are CoD4: MW1 downgraded to MW2, Dragon Age downgraded to Dragon Age 2, and Crysis downgraded to Crysis 2.

The games used in the examples above do not necessarily mean that the sequels are "bad", but most people say that their sequels are a shadow of their previous games, losing features and mechanics that made the original game worthwhile. Again, I do say it is wrong to solely blame consoles for it because each of the games sequels aimed to reach a bigger audience on all systems including PC, but the general idea of changing a game's sequel to attract a completely different audience still stands.

Valiant_Rebel

I'm referring to the need for such a system in the first place. Someone who's playing MW2 has much less of a need for Xfire than someone playing MW1; hence, one would expect understated MW2 numbers.lowe0

"Need"?

What?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]I'm referring to the need for such a system in the first place. Someone who's playing MW2 has much less of a need for Xfire than someone playing MW1; hence, one would expect understated MW2 numbers.N30F3N1X

"Need"?

What?

What aren't you following here? Is an individual playing a game with a friends list and chat built into it more likely or less likely to install a 3rd party app that fulfills those functions?lowe0

And why would anyone choose xfire specifically?

Even if that was the case, what tells you said guy is going to shut it off/not turn it on when playing MW2?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]What aren't you following here? Is an individual playing a game with a friends list and chat built into it more likely or less likely to install a 3rd party app that fulfills those functions?N30F3N1X

And why would anyone choose xfire specifically?

Even if that was the case, what tells you said guy is going to shut it off/not turn it on when playing MW2?

Literally ONLY PC elitists say things like that. Consoles in fact are the driving force of this generation and have been for a while. Consolising doesn't even really mean anything.

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I see this exact ohrase come up alot here. "Consolized trash." And, I'm sorry, it's not true. Just because a console game is "inferior" (which is purley subjective anyways)

turtlethetaffer

Math isn't subjective. Higher Resolutions, Frame Rates, Textures whatever are not subjective. Whether it means a difference to you or not is.

I wasn't talking purley about graphics. Because there is more to a game than graphics.

Literally ONLY PC elitists say things like that. Consoles in fact are the driving force of this generation and have been for a while. Consolising doesn't even really mean anything.

AugustusGraham

Literally ONLY PC elitists say things like that. Consoles in fact are the driving force of this generation and have been for a while. Consolising doesn't even really mean anything.

AugustusGraham

How are consoles the driving force of this generation?

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]What aren't you following here? Is an individual playing a game with a friends list and chat built into it more likely or less likely to install a 3rd party app that fulfills those functions?lowe0

And why would anyone choose xfire specifically?

Even if that was the case, what tells you said guy is going to shut it off/not turn it on when playing MW2?

I don't understand why you're asking this. But yes.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

And why would anyone choose xfire specifically?

Even if that was the case, what tells you said guy is going to shut it off/not turn it on when playing MW2?

Jebus213

I don't understand why you're asking this. But yes.