Content Being Cut From Battlefield For Physical Warfare Pack

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

BC2 had so little content this doesn't really surprise me. What's worse is the content BC2 had was lacking in polish, which is ridiculous. I don't think DICE has what it takes to put out a quality product, at least not under EA.

Cranler

I thought it came with 8 maps, 4 playable in each mode. That code unlocked maps for the other mode, bringing the total to 8 maps, until those last 2 maps came out. Now it has 10 glitchy, unpolished maps after all this time. Good stuff.

They are larger, but they are still the same maps, and the objective locations are the same everytime, so it's not like you are even using the whole thing.

DICE, the saviors of gaming, the shooter genre, and multi-player! :P

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Really, though, that's just lame... And it's likely EA's decision. After the way the VIP thing was handled in Bad Company 2, I expected a bit better.

Episode_Eve

It was definitely EA's decision. Read below.

Link to comment.

There's probably no chance that anyone is going to see this comment but I'll leave it anyway. I have a very good relationship with a person at DICE, who I don't want to out, who came to me when the physical warfare pack was announced to get me to look through forums to find negative feedback about the pack that he could give to his superiors at EA. He was pissed that they had announced it without the go ahead of DICE and wanted to show EA the reactions of the community. He said they now have to do similar packs in other country's in order to keep the balance.

So yes, the exclusives suck but it was EA marketing that did this and DICE knew nothing about it.halo73

I'm confused, TC. Where does it say in your link that this content was cut from the game?

RurouniSaiyajin

This content was supposed to be in the game instead it's being offered as pre-order retail exclusive = cut from the game; simple inference.

Eh EA's no better than Activision it seems. Who knows maybe BF3 will topple MW3 and in 4-5 years we'll be ready for the next FPS king to take its place.

^ Yeah, I should have wrote, "definitely". The publisher usually makes all those decisions.

F***ing EA.

^ Yeah, I should have wrote, "definitely". The publisher usually makes all those decisions.

Episode_Eve

EA is not just the publisher though. EA owns Dice, they make the decisions. This is not Crysis with Crytek being an indipendent developer studio.

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

I'm confused, TC. Where does it say in your link that this content was cut from the game?

Remmib

This content was supposed to be in the game instead it's being offered as pre-order retail exclusive = cut from the game; simple inference.

So, there is no source to content being cut. Just speculation?

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

^ Yeah, I should have wrote, "definitely". The publisher usually makes all those decisions.

edidili

EA is not just the publisher though. EA owns Dice, they make the decisions. This is not Crysis with Crytek being an indipendent developer studio.

Yeah, like Guerrilla Games is a part of Sony.

So, it was Crytek's fault that Crysis 2 was a consolized disaster, all along? :P I wanted to blame EA!

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

I'm confused, TC. Where does it say in your link that this content was cut from the game?

RurouniSaiyajin

This content was supposed to be in the game instead it's being offered as pre-order retail exclusive = cut from the game; simple inference.

So, there is no source to content being cut. Just speculation?

What source do you want? This is content that is missing from the game. Dlc is suposed to be content created after the game is shipped. If that content is already made there is no reson why it shouldn't be in the game already.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

^ Yeah, I should have wrote, "definitely". The publisher usually makes all those decisions.

Episode_Eve

EA is not just the publisher though. EA owns Dice, they make the decisions. This is not Crysis with Crytek being an indipendent developer studio.

Yeah, like Guerrilla Games is a part of Sony. But still, the overloards generally make some decisions that the devs otherwise wouldn't have, right?

So, it was Crytek's fault that Crysis 2 was a consolized disaster, all along? :P I wanted to blame EA!

That was all Crytek.

Bioware is owned by EA too and we have DA2 with crapload of first day dlc.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

BC2 had so little content this doesn't really surprise me. What's worse is the content BC2 had was lacking in polish, which is ridiculous. I don't think DICE has what it takes to put out a quality product, at least not under EA.

Cranler

It shipped with five maps per mode. After one month a map on the disc got unlocked, because EA was so very generous with the free maps given to you at no cost through the VIP pass (which is free). It then took like six more months for them to fill in the gaps of what was an incomplete game with (free!) Conquest/Rush treatments of maps that were already done.

did people trust ea in the first place?

did people trust ea in the first place?

noxboxlive

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

This content was supposed to be in the game instead it's being offered as pre-order retail exclusive = cut from the game; simple inference.

edidili

So, there is no source to content being cut. Just speculation?

What source do you want? This is content that is missing from the game. Dlc is suposed to be content created after the game is shipped. If that content is already made there is no reson why it shouldn't be in the game already.

I want a source because personally, I prefer to make my opinions based on facts to avoid inaccuracies. And there is a possible reason why DLC made before the game is released shouldn't be in the game: Because the content is being made specifically for the limited edition to begin with. Hence, why I'm interested in a source.

[QUOTE="noxboxlive"]

did people trust ea in the first place?

Androvinus

Haha. It's because people hate Acti and COD so much. EA and DICE are saviors to them. It's funny, because all along EA is a bigger offender of pre-order / DLC / online pass stuff, from my knowledge.

And about stat tracking: COD Elite offers everything the Battlefield tracking will, for free. In addition, there's stuff Elite will likely offer that 'whatever BF's service is called' won't (for free).

slap in the face.

This practice is appalling and it is hurting gaming.

There is a thread on this over at Reddit and it is top of the subforum (with 540,000 viewers).

I contacted EA Support telling them about the outrage this is causing in their loyal community and how it will negatively impact their sales to market this way. The woman I spoke to is forwarding the link and my message to their senior management and I should be hearing from them in the next couple days.

Remmib

Sounds odd, but I'm sure this will be unlockable in the game like BC2, I mean, the Type 88 LMG is one of the main LMGs in these games.

Where are BF fanboys hiding? I see a few defending the move by EA but where are the rest? If this was Cod it would be hell on earth. At least in Cod no ones gets an advantage over me (Guns, equipment) just because they pre ordered from a store like BC2 and BF3. A map pack is fine since you don't have to buy and you can keep playing with people without the maps.viper-kid

There are some Battlefield fans in here who expressed their disgust (one dude taking action; something commendable, that all gamers should do!), but I see your overall point. If this were Modern Warfare 3, my goodness, hell on earth (or System Wars).

huh? perhaps we are excepting it, (even being mature perhaps?)

we dont even know if its only weapon you can unlock via preorder or you can unlock them later on

So...just preorder and be done with it.

That's what it looks like, if you pre-order no Content left out.

A Pretty interesting way to get Pre-Orders.

(Besides, the Costumes from Mortal Kombat that you get when you preordered the game are now avalible as DLC so you shouldn't expect anything less from this.)

Sounds odd, but I'm sure this will be unlockable in the game like BC2, I mean, the Type 88 LMG is one of the main LMGs in these games. mitu123

Unfortunately that is not the case.

Silver_Rook:question.... these pre order bonuses? are they available to everyone once they rank up? or are some TRUE exclusive? Demize99: The Physical Warfare Pack is fully exclusive. There's no other way to get those 4 items.

Source - Note: Demize99 is BF3's Senior Game Designer, Alan Kertz

god damnit glitchspot fix the freaking html coding

Well that's lame.

To make this post more system Wars material...

herp derp MW3 >>> BF3 am confirmed.

If you take the above post seriously and write a response to it, you should feel bad.

:P

^Why the hell would they take out the Type 88 LMG and be exclusive to this deal, that makes no sense.:|

^Why the hell would they take out the Type 88 LMG and be exclusive to this deal, that makes no sense.:|

mitu123

Because the head honchos at EA who are calling the shots are morons who really don't have any idea what they are doing.

It's sort of implied that when there is a pre-order bonus, there will be more to follow. Game and Gamestation aren't the only retailers in the UK. So we likely have that to look forward to.

EA will release the preorder content in a few months time as premium DLC. That's what they did with BC2.

CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="RurouniSaiyajin"]

So, there is no source to content being cut. Just speculation?

RurouniSaiyajin

What source do you want? This is content that is missing from the game. Dlc is suposed to be content created after the game is shipped. If that content is already made there is no reson why it shouldn't be in the game already.

I want a source because personally, I prefer to make my opinions based on facts to avoid inaccuracies. And there is a possible reason why DLC made before the game is released shouldn't be in the game: Because the content is being made specifically for the limited edition to begin with. Hence, why I'm interested in a source.

Either way, this would remain a dick move for other reasons.

Read the Article wrong.

Yeah this is pretty wrong.

So...just preorder and be done with it.

That's what it looks like, if you pre-order no Content left out.

A Pretty interesting way to get Pre-Orders.

(Besides, the Costumes from Mortal Kombat that you get when you preordered the game are now avalible as DLC so you shouldn't expect anything less from this.)

LegatoSkyheart

I see what you're saying, but not everybody can or is willing to pre-order. Sure, the fans will pre-order whether this deal existed or not, but it's about principle!

I'm not a fan of pre-order exclusives that are game changers, like weapons / abilities, but costumes are fine.

Edit: I see you read the article wrong. :P

^Why the hell would they take out the Type 88 LMG and be exclusive to this deal, that makes no sense.:|

mitu123

at the end of the day it's a business......this is reality people

Why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over this? I see this in a lot of games, and it's not like these few things are going to break the game. Plus this content will probably be available for dlc at some point.

One of my fav LMGs is gone unless I'm from the UK(in which I'm not), I hope this makes it to the US soon, in the game preferably.

but it's about principle!

Episode_Eve

Indeed.

Why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over this? I see this in a lot of games, and it's not like these few things are going to break the game. Plus this content will probably be available for dlc at some point.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

BC2 had so little content this doesn't really surprise me. What's worse is the content BC2 had was lacking in polish, which is ridiculous. I don't think DICE has what it takes to put out a quality product, at least not under EA.

enterawesome

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over this? I see this in a lot of games, and it's not like these few things are going to break the game. Plus this content will probably be available for dlc at some point.

viper-kid

I don't care what game it is, this method is wrong and only annoys customers.

Why the hell is this a practice in video games? So damn annoying. Bad Company 2 did this as well, it's annoying. enterawesome

The 1st bfbc which was on consoles only did this, reserving select weapons only to a feew and the communtiy responded negatively which forced DICE to release it for everyone. hopefully if we whine enough the same will happen. knowing SW this shouldnt require too much effort

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over this? I see this in a lot of games, and it's not like these few things are going to break the game. Plus this content will probably be available for dlc at some point.

Remmib

I don't care what game it is, this method is wrong and only annoys customers.

I'm really sick of this. Why couldn't Battlefield 1943 be the preorder bonus? Pre-order bonuses shouldn't ever affect the multiplayer gameplay wise, especially if they want it to be a competitive game.sentrygman

I'm not suprised one bit. Well, combine this with the $60 pricetag, I will not be buying BF3 at launch. (maybe ever if they go teh whole DLC route).

There will never be reliable sources confirming such things. It being impossible to tell for sure either way is a boon for publishers as it allows them to cut content should they so wish. And why wouldn't they? The only thing stopping them would be their ethics ( :lol: ).

Either way, this would remain a dick move for other reasons.

McStrongfast

As a programmer with both expereince in software development and making games as well as a person whose had plenty of expereince in QAing games, there's actually lots of very good reasons why you should always make DLC as DLC to begin with and never as part of the core game. But that's irrelevant. I wasn't expecting a real source to begin with but I wanted to be sure there wasn't one since the TC gave a source. Well, I'll leave you all to your discussion since I have my answers.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] If this was Cod you wouldn't be saying that.viper-kid

I don't care what game it is, this method is wrong and only annoys customers.

WOOT go uk users on gamespot! we get preorder stuff!! w

ya thats not what u get mad about, you get mad that its for UK only

Well finally living in the uk has paid off, just im screwed in the zombie apoclypse :(

ya thats not what u get mad about, you get mad that its for UK only

gamer-adam1

Face, meet palm.

Source

I have no problem with "early access" stuff or "golden weapons", or old maps being remade as exclusive pre order content but it really just annoys me when they actually cut content from the game in order to have exclusivity. Flechette ammo, Type-88 LMG, and a Flash Suppressor are all exclusively part of the Physical Warfare map which can be made by pre ordering Battlefield 3 from certain sites.

Why DICE? WHY? This isn't Battlefield 3 specifically, I'm talking about games in general too. Why strip down the overall value of the game and only give it to some people as a pre order bonus. These sites are from the UK, so basically there's no way of obtaining the Physical Warfare pack for many, many gamers. We lost a gun, and two weapon attachments for basically nothing. Horray :( And I know, it's always like this :-/ but it shouldn't be actual weapons! They could have at least also made them available to Battlefield Veterans a week after the release of the game!

XVision84

Ok, these bonuses are getting out of hand. I remember when it was just a simple skin or something for a character or gun, but entire levels? Entire expansions? Weapons?

Too much.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Source

I have no problem with "early access" stuff or "golden weapons", or old maps being remade as exclusive pre order content but it really just annoys me when they actually cut content from the game in order to have exclusivity. Flechette ammo, Type-88 LMG, and a Flash Suppressor are all exclusively part of the Physical Warfare map which can be made by pre ordering Battlefield 3 from certain sites.

Why DICE? WHY? This isn't Battlefield 3 specifically, I'm talking about games in general too. Why strip down the overall value of the game and only give it to some people as a pre order bonus. These sites are from the UK, so basically there's no way of obtaining the Physical Warfare pack for many, many gamers. We lost a gun, and two weapon attachments for basically nothing. Horray :( And I know, it's always like this :-/ but it shouldn't be actual weapons! They could have at least also made them available to Battlefield Veterans a week after the release of the game!

SPYDER0416

Ok, these bonuses are getting out of hand. I remember when it was just a simple skin or something for a character or gun, but entire levels? Entire expansions? Weapons?

Too much.

Indeed, when will we say enough is enough? The time is now.

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