Content Being Cut From Battlefield For Physical Warfare Pack

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="McStrongfast"]So how do you suggest people express their dissent in the hopes of betterment?

edidili

Are you reading the same thread I'm reading? No one here thinks it's fine.

Blame the gamers, not EA nor Dice nor any company for doing this.sethman410

[QUOTE="sethman410"]Blame the gamers, not EA nor Dice nor any company for doing this.viper-kid

Blame the gamers, not EA nor Dice nor any company for doing this.sethman410

Wow 2 weapons that probably suck... time to OVER REACT!!!!!!SaltyMeatballs

Blame the gamers, not EA nor Dice nor any company for doing this.sethman410

I haven't brought DLC for over 20 games for that matter, less than that even.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

This is a shame. I hate store specific DLC pre order bonuses

CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

This is a shame. I hate store specific DLC pre order bonuses

Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] It's annoying but like I said EA will release it to buy later on.viper-kid

Depends on their power/rank.

Still, I don't see a reason for this unless its meant to generate more preorders or something.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="Heil68"] Pretty much and you can chose not to buy an DLC anyways. As long as none of it gives a advantage in MP, I'm fine with it.ChubbyGuy40

Depends on their power/rank.

Still, I don't see a reason for this unless its meant to generate more preorders or something.

So how do you suggest people express their dissent in the hopes of betterment?

McStrongfast

Well the mass boycott/preorder cancel method hasn't really ever proved effective(see L4D2 and MW2).

Honestly, I'd rather just wait and see how this all plays out, knowing EA will likely ignore everybody. We don't even know how these "bonus" weapons will fare competetively, and we have no info on what the US's deal is yet. There's the chance that "omg that kid has a T88 and a flash stealthed SVS he's owning everybody" will actually be "omg that kid is still using those worthless weapons hur hur hur."

Then again, that doesn't address the problem of any future weapon packs. I tend not to buy DLC period, so I won't be supporting them if so.

just for the lulz,

There's a nice post on reddit here http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hxxoy/in_case_youve_forgotten_ea_tried_this_same_crap/ With some emails, I'm sure if we make enough noise they'll hear.Ringx55

AWESOME.

Thank you so much for this link. It lead me to a post where someone listed all the emails of the top people at EA.

Wow, just look what is on the front page of /r/gaming over at Reddit.

Note the # of comments on each one and how many readers there are on the /r/gaming subforum.

Wow, just look what is on the front page of /r/gaming over at Reddit.

Note the # of comments on each one and how many readers there are on the /r/gaming subforum.

Remmib

Wow, just look what is on the front page of /r/gaming over at Reddit.

Note the # of comments on each one and how many readers there are on the /r/gaming subforum.

Remmib

Well, I must say I am disappointed. I guess I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up on this bland game.Mr_Cumberdale

No no this is about Battlefield 3, no Rehased Warfare 3. BF3 is far from bland.

[QUOTE="sethman410"]Blame the gamers, not EA nor Dice nor any company for doing this.enterawesome

This is awful. I laughed when MW3 decided to have a subscription; I never thought anything like that (meaning ridiculous extra payments beyond map packs) would happen to Battlefield franchise. :cry:

This is awful. I laughed when MW3 decided to have a subscription; I never thought anything like that (meaning ridiculous extra payments beyond map packs) would happen to Battlefield franchise. :cry:

This is how devs are trying to recoup income from used game sales peopleMeteorStream

Oh boy, not that bull**** argument again...

This is awful. I laughed when MW3 decided to have a subscription; I never thought anything like that (meaning ridiculous extra payments beyond map packs) would happen to Battlefield franchise. :cry:

CaptainAhab13

Unless the lack of said contect affects the overall quality of the game in a noticeable way, I don't see a problem with it.IronBass

Hypocrites used to rant and joke about Activision charging for bullets in the future. Well here we are with EA proposing the idea that special ammunition shouldn't be part of the core package. According to EA it is additional value.

With that said I believe the Karkand pack is a legitimate expansion that was conceptualized to be a separate add-on after the core maps had already been locked down. The release date is some time after the game's launch. So as far as I can tell it's effectively free access to the first DLC pack. It being a pre-order bonus to drive early sales sounds fair enough to me. As long as the core game itself is not lacking in content.

It intrinsically affects the balance of the game.McStrongfast

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] It's annoying but like I said EA will release it to buy later on.Heil68

The T88 could be a different model with the same stats as another LMG, could be worse, could be the new M60. We don't know.

Night time has been confirmed. They could incorporate a day/night cycle, all maps could have TOD server settings, or there will be specific night maps.

A game like BF3 is based on the idea that there is a counter to everything. If you deprive people from the option of using a flash suppressor with a sniper rifle, that means you can't be as effective and are at a disadvantage during certain situations. In previous Battlefields you could always adapt to the situation by changing class and loadout. The idea of exclusive (non-cosmetic) multiplayer content breaks that formula and balance.

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]It intrinsically affects the balance of the game.IronBass

This is DICE.

But even if these items turn out to be overwhelmingly useless there's still the principle. All items should be available to all players by doing the unlock thing. Then it would definitely go by unnoticed.

McStrongfast

That's very interesting and all, but I wasn't talking about principles, but about actual, practical scenarios.

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]It intrinsically affects the balance of the game.IronBass

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]
This is DICE.

But even if these items turn out to be overwhelmingly useless there's still the principle. All items should be available to all players by doing the unlock thing. Then it would definitely go by unnoticed.

IronBass

That's very interesting and all, but I wasn't talking about principles, but about actual, practical scenarios.

In which case, let's be practical.

Scenario #1:
Boycott fails. Exclusive weapons are OP. Late-comers are screwed. Competitive is screwed because everyone's nitpicky.

Scenario #2:
Boycott fails. Exclusive weapons are not OP. Late-comers are slightly less versatile, but not screwed. Competitive is screwed because everyone's nitpicky.

Scenario #3:
Boycott successful. Exclusive weapons are now early unlocks. Late-comers are only at a disadvantage early in the game. Competitive gets one less thing to be nitpicky about.

Scenario #4:
No boycott at all. Exclusive weapons are OP. Late-comers blame others when they should blame themselves for not defending principles.

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I'd very much like to avoid Scenario #4.

In which case, let's be practical.

Scenario #1:
Boycott fails. Exclusive weapons are OP. Late-comers are screwed. Competitive is screwed because everyone's nitpicky.

Scenario #2:
Boycott fails. Exclusive weapons are not OP. Late-comers are slightly less versatile, but not screwed. Competitive is screwed because everyone's nitpicky.

Scenario #3:
Boycott successful. Exclusive weapons are now early unlocks. Late-comers are only at a disadvantage early in the game. Competitive gets one less thing to be nitpicky about.

Scenario #4:
No boycott at all. Exclusive weapons are OP. Late-comers blame others when they should blame themselves for not defending principles.

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I'd very much like to avoid Scenario #4.

Technoweirdo

I don't think being worried about people nitpicking is being practical.

If the game's well designed (which is supposed to be),competitive play will be fine, regardless of scenario.

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]
This is DICE.

But even if these items turn out to be overwhelmingly useless there's still the principle. All items should be available to all players by doing the unlock thing. Then it would definitely go by unnoticed.

IronBass

That's very interesting and all, but I wasn't talking about principles, but about actual, practical scenarios.

You seem to disagree with the notion that these items should be unlockable and that strikes me as odd since it would resolve all the qualms and potential issues. You claim that what you want is for these items to have no noticeable effect on the balance, but you would have the possibility present?

I think it's of importance that we raise our concerns as early as possible in order to prevent the possibility of those actual, practical scenarios.McStrongfast

Yep, I haven't said the contrary.

You seem to disagree with the notion that these items should be unlockable and that strikes me as odd since it would resolve all the qualms and potential issues. You claim that what you want is for these items to have no noticeable effect on the balance, but you would have the possibility present?McStrongfast

If we talk aboutpossibilities, there are tens (if not hundreds) of "possible" things that may or may not affect a game's quality, none of them actually measurable until the game's out.

I guess all of us had a good 2 weeks pretending that EA wasn't just as bad as Activision.

I guess all of us had a good 2 weeks pretending that EA wasn't just as bad as Activision.

DraugenCP

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

I guess all of us had a good 2 weeks pretending that EA wasn't just as bad as Activision.

viper-kid

But Activision, on the other hand, has ridiculously overpriced map packs and bs premium content. They're both equally unlikeable from a gamer's point of view.

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]I think it's of importance that we raise our concerns as early as possible in order to prevent the possibility of those actual, practical scenarios.IronBass

Yep, I haven't said the contrary.

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]You seem to disagree with the notion that these items should be unlockable and that strikes me as odd since it would resolve all the qualms and potential issues. You claim that what you want is for these items to have no noticeable effect on the balance, but you would have the possibility present?IronBass

If we talk aboutpossibilities, there are tens (if not hundreds) of "possible" things that may or may not affect a game's quality, none of them actually measurable until the game's out.

But you're proponing inactivity.McStrongfast

And I'm arguing for the removal of the possibility in the first place. Everyone's happy. Dunno whatchu friction's all about here my main man.McStrongfast

I really don't see the point of all the anger, it's like 1 weapon, and it's not really giving anyone an advantage so I don't care. Not a big deal in my book.

I really don't see the point of all the anger, it's like 1 weapon, and it's not really giving anyone an advantage so I don't care. Not a big deal in my book.

marq4porsche

Do you even know what a flash suppressor does?

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

I really don't see the point of all the anger, it's like 1 weapon, and it's not really giving anyone an advantage so I don't care. Not a big deal in my book.

Mograine

Do you even know what a flash suppressor does?

Hmmm, I dunno suppresses the muzzle flash??? I still don't care, I'll kill em anyways. I still don't see why it's a big deal.

Hmmm, I dunno suppresses the muzzle flash??? I still don't care, I'll kill em anyways. I still don't see why it's a big deal.

marq4porsche

And that isn't a big advantage :|

Sometimes, nature really makes me wonder...

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

Hmmm, I dunno suppresses the muzzle flash??? I still don't care, I'll kill em anyways. I still don't see why it's a big deal.

Mograine

And that isn't a big advantage :|

Sometimes, nature really makes me wonder...

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

BC2 had so little content this doesn't really surprise me. What's worse is the content BC2 had was lacking in polish, which is ridiculous. I don't think DICE has what it takes to put out a quality product, at least not under EA.

millerlight89

No. When bad company 2 came out it was terrible... It had virtually no content and even some of that was VIP only.

It is an advantage, but not a gamebreaking one. People are making a big deal over something so little.

marq4porsche

Something so little?

Next time it'll be two weapons, then three, then four, then half the game.

...nevermind, I just remembered you were the same guy who said developers shouldn't release single player games on PC, there's no point arguing with you.