Crysis 2 - Consolized to the max! Crysis fans beware...

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]That's what is so sad about it and disappointing. psn8214

... just think the reactions you two would have gotten a few months ago mentioning 'Crysis' and 'port' in the same sentence. I myself still cannot believe it's come to that.

It's like hyperbole central here.

AAllxxjjnn

'cause decent PC games force us to use horrible temporal AA, and limit us to three graphics options, amirite?

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

It's like hyperbole central here.

psn8214

'cause decent PC games force us to use horrible temporal AA, and limit us to three graphics options, amirite?

Cause you totally know so much about the development of the game and demo, amirite?

At least there is AA, unlike Mass Effect.

Cause you totally know so much about the development of the game and demo, amirite?

At least there is AA, unlike Mass Effect.

AAllxxjjnn

'cause I claimed to, amirite? I'm just going off what we know to this point. If they somehow magically grant us graphics options then I'll be quite happy, I can assure you.

Oh, and no AA >>> the blurry mess that is Crysis 2. It looks like 720p upscaled on my 1650x1050 monitor (and that is no hyperbole).

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

It's like hyperbole central here.

psn8214

'cause decent PC games force us to use horrible temporal AA, and limit us to three graphics options, amirite?

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

It's like hyperbole central here.

AAllxxjjnn

'cause decent PC games force us to use horrible temporal AA, and limit us to three graphics options, amirite?

Cause you totally know so much about the development of the game and demo, amirite?

At least there is AA, unlike Mass Effect.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

It's like hyperbole central here.

AAllxxjjnn

'cause decent PC games force us to use horrible temporal AA, and limit us to three graphics options, amirite?

Cause you totally know so much about the development of the game and demo, amirite?

At least there is AA, unlike Mass Effect.

I thought the demo was a 360 port and the retail version of crysis2 will have more options, people are jumping the gun here, till someone gets there hands on a retail copy we wont know. Even if that is all it is going to be if you actually play the demo it looks alot better then those pics, i would still be happy.Advid-Gamer

That's what I thought too, but geforce.com confirmed there are only three graphical options to choose from in the final game. Plus the configs are encrypted, so there's no graphical tweaking at all. I hope Crytek comes to their senses and unlocks the configs for the retail version, and patches in more graphical options, but I'm not expecting anything of them at this point.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

Cause you totally know so much about the development of the game and demo, amirite?

At least there is AA, unlike Mass Effect.

psn8214

'cause I claimed to, amirite? I'm just going off what we know to this point. If they somehow magically grant us graphics options then I'll be quite happy, I can assure you.

Oh, and no AA >>> the blurry mess that is Crysis 2. It looks like 720p upscaled on my 1650x1050 monitor (and that is no hyperbole).

You seem to "know" it's a port, when that's not even how the engine works. No AA makes the image look like a mess, slight blur is tolerable.

AAllxxjjnn

LOL, I know it's not a port. I'm not that stupid. I was referring to the fact that it was sad that people are discussing a Crysis sequel using diction like "console port". The menus certainly ARE a port though, and the controls seems to have been filtered through a "what's best on gamepad filter" which sort of blows my mind, seeing as Crysis worked just fine with a 360 controller.

Edit: ... oh and slight blur? :? It's a mess. I'd far prefer no AA at all, or even gimped MSAA, to their garbage solution. Seriously, it makes it hard for me to enjoy the game.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

You seem to "know" it's a port, when that's not even how the engine works. No AA makes the image look like a mess, slight blur is tolerable.

psn8214

LOL, I know it's not a port. I'm not that stupid. I was referring to the fact that it was sad that people are discussing a Crysis sequel using diction like "console port". The menus certainly ARE a port though, and the controls seems to have been filtered through a "what's best on gamepad filter" which sort of blows my mind, seeing as Crysis worked just fine with a 360 controller.

The menus aren't a console port for the sheer fact there is a server browser and PC exclusive options. Unless you're hung up on one word, which has been fixed. You didn't have a problem forcing AA on in Mass Effect did you? Then you shouldn't have a problem tweaking the demo to remove the AA. AAllxxjjnn

Uh huh. So we should press start, change the brightness on our TVs, and watch at the menu itself moves with our mouse? All standard PC menu/UI features, no doubt.

Never said I couldn't. I shouldn't have to in the first place. Plus, Mass Effect lacking AA hardly injured the gameplay in any way. The blur and overdone bloom in Crysis 2's demo can make it hard to spot enemies.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] The menus aren't a console port for the sheer fact there is a server browser and PC exclusive options. Unless you're hung up on one word, which has been fixed. You didn't have a problem forcing AA on in Mass Effect did you? Then you shouldn't have a problem tweaking the demo to remove the AA. psn8214

Uh huh. So we should press start, change the brightness on our TVs, and watch at the menu itself moves with our mouse? All standard PC menu/UI features, no doubt.

Never said I couldn't. I shouldn't have to in the first place. Plus, Mass Effect lacking AA hardly injured the gameplay in any way. The blur and overdone bloom in Crysis 2's demo can make it hard to spot enemies.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

You seem to "know" it's a port, when that's not even how the engine works. No AA makes the image look like a mess, slight blur is tolerable.

psn8214

LOL, I know it's not a port. I'm not that stupid. I was referring to the fact that it was sad that people are discussing a Crysis sequel using diction like "console port". The menus certainly ARE a port though, and the controls seems to have been filtered through a "what's best on gamepad filter" which sort of blows my mind, seeing as Crysis worked just fine with a 360 controller.

Edit: ... oh and slight blur? :? It's a mess. I'd far prefer no AA at all, or even gimped MSAA, to their garbage solution. Seriously, it makes it hard for me to enjoy the game.

The only control issue I found was the mouse acceleration that can be turned off. And the AA can be turned off, and replaced with your own AA force CCC or the Nvidia equivelent.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

You seem to "know" it's a port, when that's not even how the engine works. No AA makes the image look like a mess, slight blur is tolerable.

psn8214

LOL, I know it's not a port. I'm not that stupid. I was referring to the fact that it was sad that people are discussing a Crysis sequel using diction like "console port". The menus certainly ARE a port though, and the controls seems to have been filtered through a "what's best on gamepad filter" which sort of blows my mind, seeing as Crysis worked just fine with a 360 controller.

Edit: ... oh and slight blur? :? It's a mess. I'd far prefer no AA at all, or even gimped MSAA, to their garbage solution. Seriously, it makes it hard for me to enjoy the game.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="yellonet"]I sure won't.

Open world FPS with good physics and destruction where the upper limit is your imagination, yes please.

Console type FPS with small world and limited to the set choices handed to you, no thanks.

Vadamee

compared to this?

But you know it's hard to tell with an overhead map right?

SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

AAllxxjjnn

more of the same mod

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

SAGE_OF_FIRE

Looks great. I tried that mod and it looks nothing like that. What TOD did you use? (I believe there's 2 different types?).

Another example of the scale

[QUOTE="Vadamee"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Halo 3 and Reach are far more "open world" than Crysis ever was. Let go of this delusion that Crysis was a sandbox shooter. At the very least you had two or three different paths that you can truly take to yield a different outcome and that's it. Crysis as a sandbox shooter pales in comparison to its predecessor Far Cry.SAGE_OF_FIRE

compared to this?

Another example of the scale

04dcarraher

Good lord, Crysis can be sooo pretty...

Why Crytek, WHY!!!

The demo was the multiplayer demo, so of course they won't have destruction of buildings in multiplayer. Lets wait for the full game to be sure. From what i've seen it does look less graphically astounding than the first, but who knows for sure just yet.

Crysis Warhead:

Crysis 2:

Gamestop fails as a forum

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

I've played and finished the original too many times to count. I loved every second of it, even the alien and zero g segments. What do you mean, it doesn't feel like a Crytek title? Maybe that's because all previous Crytek games were practically the same game, set in a jungle? :? Jungle =/= City, is that so hard to grasp? When I said presentation, I mean the cutscenes, set pieces, ect. For a game called Crysis, Crysis 1 sure as hell didn't depict it. It was Far Cry 1 with aliens. And to say Crysis 2s music doesn't fit the game, then you've obviously not played the SP.

Vadamee

You do know that Halo Reach is a prequel right? You do know that "STALKER" is an acronym right? It doesn't actually mean stalking although there is stalking.

:lol: I reckon Crysis not looking like a "Crytek title" is a good thing as they invested far to many resources into shaders that they ignored other aspects of the game. These are words from Cevat Yerli himself. Perhaps now since they don't have this fixation on graphics, they can actually deliver a proper, forgettable title. :)

Fixed,

The irony behind all the criticization is that Crysis 1 actually had you being herded from point A to B as well. Sure, the sandbox elements were there, and there was a wide area, but in the end it was still the same premise. I was a huge fan of Crysis 1 but even I tried to go far and explore. Natural barriers stop your from not only going further due to the cliffs but going far when it came to the open water. I played the Crysis 2 demo and while the area was a bit smaller to explore, there was still areas to explore. Quite a bit in fact. I realize elitist pc fanboys will always say stuff like the TC did but, in all seriousness, perhaps if every game wasn't pirated to hell and back on PC you would keep exclusives and superior versions alike.

forgettable04dcarraher

The irony behind all the criticization is that Crysis 1 actually had you being herded from point A to B as well. Sure, the sandbox elements were there, and there was a wide area, but in the end it was still the same premise. I was a huge fan of Crysis 1 but even I tried to go far and explore. Natural barriers stop your from not only going further due to the cliffs but going far when it came to the open water. I played the Crysis 2 demo and while the area was a bit smaller to explore, there was still areas to explore. Quite a bit in fact. I realize elitist pc fanboys will always say stuff like the TC did but, in all seriousness, perhaps if every game wasn't pirated to hell and back on PC you would keep exclusives and superior versions alike.

Puckhog04

Crysis 2 didnt have hardly anything to "explore" or roam, 95% of the game straight foward all the time follow the path l^l. But its like going from a football sized playing area to a tennis court playing area. Why do people keep on playing the pirate hand = why companies are going multiplat? Which is not the case almost all companies are going multiplat even console only devs. Multiplat = more money. Crysis didnt become a multiplat because of piracy, Crysis 1 and Warhead has sold more then 5 million copies on one system(Pc), with Steep requirements, a gender not everyone likes, plus Pc games for the most part sell over a long peroid of time until consoles where they sell in thefirst couple of weeks andafterward hardly any because of the pre-owned market.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]forgettableVadamee

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

The irony behind all the criticization is that Crysis 1 actually had you being herded from point A to B as well. Sure, the sandbox elements were there, and there was a wide area, but in the end it was still the same premise. I was a huge fan of Crysis 1 but even I tried to go far and explore. Natural barriers stop your from not only going further due to the cliffs but going far when it came to the open water. I played the Crysis 2 demo and while the area was a bit smaller to explore, there was still areas to explore. Quite a bit in fact. I realize elitist pc fanboys will always say stuff like the TC did but, in all seriousness, perhaps if every game wasn't pirated to hell and back on PC you would keep exclusives and superior versions alike.

04dcarraher

Crysis 2 didnt have hardly anything to "explore" or roam 95% of the game straight foward all the time follow the path l^l. But its like going from a football sized playing area to a tennis court playing area. Why do people keep on playing the pirate hand = why companies are going multiplat? Which is not the case almost all companies are goingmultiplat even console only devs. Multiplat= more money. Crysis didnt become a multiplat because of piracy Crysis 1 and Warhead has sold more the 5 million copies on one system, with Steep requirements, a gender not everyone likes, plus Pc games for the most part sell over a long peroid of time until consoles where they salefirst couple of weeks afterward hardly any because of the pre-owned market.

Piracy is an issue to the devs,though Icouldn't care less. Many upon many devs have talked about piracy on PC as a reason to go multiplat. And, No,mostconsole devs aren't going multiplat. Pre-owned market? Please, that's not even 1/4 of what piracy is for PC games. Yes, piracy was a part of the reason Crytek went multiplat. They complained about the high piracy of Crysis (which was pirated well over 2 million times just for the original) at the EA press conference during that E3 and then announced they were making Crysis 2 multiplat. Ironically enough, alot of games remain simply on consoles. Why? Because they sell alot there. Crysis 2 had quite a bit of exploring if you actually attempted to explore. Sure, not as much as Crysis, but that was to be expected. The devs took a different route to the game in order to sell far more copies. Can you blame them? Afterall, the end goal for all of this is money. I personally liked the Crysis 2 demo and I've beaten both Crysis and Crysis Warhead. Maybe I'm simply not an elitist that looks down on everyone for no reason. Call me crazy.

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

As I said, physics are barely even noticed as most everything is static, so it's really a moot point.

You like the changes and that's fine.

However, you're obviously the one having problems with our opinions about the changes from Crysis to Crysis 2 as you constantly try to make it seem as we are just nitpicking when we talk about missing features that we think are important.

And why are you bringing Red Faction into this? So because another game has "better" destruction, the destruction in Crysis have to go? If we follow that logic through every part of the game that is done better (in your opinion) in another game must be taken out. I wonder how much game would be left after that...

Please enlighten me.

To me a sandbox game is one that gives you the tools and lets the player explore and choose his own way through the game.
Crysis 2 is unfortunately far from this.

Stevo_the_gamer

In multiplayer perhaps, as it was in the original Crysis multiplayer, and in Crysis Wars. Nothing has changed there. Singleplayer? No one here knows since no one here has played the final product.

I never said I liked the changes, or didn't like the changes. I have merely been saying the game looks great, and runs great. My opinion on the "consolization" deal is that its overblown to the maximum (game).

I have no issue with opinions unless folks start whining endlessly.

Would you prefer Bad Company 2? I never said the destruction has to go; what I have been aiming at is that complaining about what you think is the lack of a moot thing in the previous game means "consolization" of Crysis franchise is inherently silly. Especially when destruction in Crysis and Crysis Warhead has been exceedingly minor at best. Vast majority of the game is static. Now it's a bad thing that Crysis 2 does it? lol

Reading developer comments, previews, and videos--Crysis 2 still has the same sort of gameplay I've experienced in Crysis. It's in a different environment, but the branching paths, the large environments, and the ability to take on situations stealthily or rambo sty1e.Stevo_the_gamer

Except that the beta is final in all the things we're discussing in this thread.

yellonet

lol. No, the pirated broken-unfinished beta is not a final product, nor is the demo a reflection of the singleplayer.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

The irony behind all the criticization is that Crysis 1 actually had you being herded from point A to B as well. Sure, the sandbox elements were there, and there was a wide area, but in the end it was still the same premise. I was a huge fan of Crysis 1 but even I tried to go far and explore. Natural barriers stop your from not only going further due to the cliffs but going far when it came to the open water. I played the Crysis 2 demo and while the area was a bit smaller to explore, there was still areas to explore. Quite a bit in fact. I realize elitist pc fanboys will always say stuff like the TC did but, in all seriousness, perhaps if every game wasn't pirated to hell and back on PC you would keep exclusives and superior versions alike.

Puckhog04

Crysis 2 didnt have hardly anything to "explore" or roam 95% of the game straight foward all the time follow the path l^l. But its like going from a football sized playing area to a tennis court playing area. Why do people keep on playing the pirate hand = why companies are going multiplat? Which is not the case almost all companies are goingmultiplat even console only devs. Multiplat= more money. Crysis didnt become a multiplat because of piracy Crysis 1 and Warhead has sold more the 5 million copies on one system, with Steep requirements, a gender not everyone likes, plus Pc games for the most part sell over a long peroid of time until consoles where they salefirst couple of weeks afterward hardly any because of the pre-owned market.

Piracy is an issue to the devs,though Icouldn't care less. Many upon many devs have talked about piracy on PC as a reason to go multiplat. And, No,mostconsole devs aren't going multiplat. Pre-owned market? Please, that's not even 1/4 of what piracy is for PC games. Yes, piracy was a part of the reason Crytek went multiplat. They complained about the high piracy of Crysis (which was pirated well over 2 million times just for the original) at the EA press conference during that E3 and then announced they were making Crysis 2 multiplat. Ironically enough, alot of games remain simply on consoles. Why? Because they sell alot there. Crysis 2 had quite a bit of exploring if you actually attempted to explore. Sure, not as much as Crysis, but that was to be expected. The devs took a different route to the game in order to sell far more copies. Can you blame them? Afterall, the end goal for all of this is money. I personally liked the Crysis 2 demo and I've beaten both Crysis and Crysis Warhead. Maybe I'm simply not an elitist that looks down on everyone for no reason. Call me crazy.

O please...... Ya that explains why almost all devs are multiplatform :roll: its the rise in production cost is why everyone is going multiplaform and yet "those" devs that complain about piracy are ones who make mostlyshotty games. All the devs that make quality games dont complain about piracy on Pc. The only reason Crytek " the CEO" was complaining about the sale numberswas because he expected halo 3 type console sales within the first month or so which does not happen on Pc. But he didnttakeinto account that only 20% of the Pc gamers at that time could play the game at or above medium settings.And having almost 5 million copies sold on a single platform a reason to go multiplat? while some console games didnt makethe1 million sale marklike Alan Wake. I guess they needed to go multiplatform then. Also about the preowned market, that hurts the pubishers and devs just as much as piracy does because it is a real lost sale ( you cant count every downloaded copy as a lost sale because that the person most likey never planed on buyiung it in the first place). Consoles have piracy almost as bad in some cases as Pc (over there in Asiamost are pirated)with the fact that renting and the preowned market hurts them and has the same affect as piracy. Wonder whydev's want to charge to reactivate mp on some games because they can make money on that copy since places like gamestop made money on that copy.

Lets also look at the fact that Console games only mke about $10 of profit per copy vs the average $20 some on a Pc copy then also take in account DD which gives then almost double the amount of profit. Needless to say Pc games per copy make more money then a console version does.

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

Except that the beta is final in all the things we're discussing in this thread.

Stevo_the_gamer

lol. No, the pirated broken-unfinished beta is not a final product, nor is the demo a reflection of the singleplayer.

Again the leaked beta is a nearly compete game which means its very good indicator of the game will be.. Because it is the game :roll:

2 Months of work will not make it it into a different game or that much better....

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

Except that the beta is final in all the things we're discussing in this thread.

04dcarraher

lol. No, the pirated broken-unfinished beta is not a final product, nor is the demo a reflection of the singleplayer.

Again the leaked beta is a nearly compete game which means its very good indicator of the game will be.. Because it is the game :roll:

2 Months of work will not make it it into a different game or that much better....

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

lol. No, the pirated broken-unfinished beta is not a final product, nor is the demo a reflection of the singleplayer.

i5750at4Ghz

Again the leaked beta is a nearly compete game which means its very good indicator of the game will be.. Because it is the game :roll:

2 Months of work will not make it it into a different game or that much better....

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

Except that the beta is final in all the things we're discussing in this thread.

Stevo_the_gamer

lol. No, the pirated broken-unfinished beta is not a final product, nor is the demo a reflection of the singleplayer.

Surely you must have pirated the broken-unfinished beta if you know how broken and unfinished it is. Unless, all that "knowlege" is coming from youtube vids :lol:

You know, none of those traits are strictly for consoles. Just like on the PC some games are open ended, some are not. Some games hold you by the hand, some don't. Some games have destructible environments, some don't.vashkey

Don't blame consoles, blame devs.vashkey

Crytek = the definition of a sell-out.

Unless, all that "knowlege" is coming from youtube vids :lol:

coreybg

Again the leaked beta is a nearly compete game which means its very good indicator of the game will be.. Because it is the game :roll:

2 Months of work will not make it it into a different game or that much better....

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

Except that the beta is final in all the things we're discussing in this thread.

Stevo_the_gamer

lol. No, the pirated broken-unfinished beta is not a final product, nor is the demo a reflection of the singleplayer.

A beta is a feature complete version of the game, whether it's pirated or "broken" does not change that.yellonet

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Again the leaked beta is a nearly compete game which means its very good indicator of the game will be.. Because it is the game :roll:

2 Months of work will not make it it into a different game or that much better....

Stevo_the_gamer

...The level design is complete or the leak could not be beaten, the The only things left to complete the game is some audio and textures and some debugging. All in all IT IS THE FULL GAME and will be what is coming out...

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Again the leaked beta is a nearly compete game which means its very good indicator of the game will be.. Because it is the game :roll:

2 Months of work will not make it it into a different game or that much better....

04dcarraher

...The level design is complete or the leak could not be beaten, the The only things left to complete the game is some audio and textures and some debugging. All in all IT IS THE FULL GAME and will be what is coming out...

[QUOTE="Vadamee"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Halo 3 and Reach are far more "open world" than Crysis ever was. Let go of this delusion that Crysis was a sandbox shooter. At the very least you had two or three different paths that you can truly take to yield a different outcome and that's it. Crysis as a sandbox shooter pales in comparison to its predecessor Far Cry.SAGE_OF_FIRE

compared to this?

But you know it's hard to tell with an overhead map right?

OMG that's the best laugh I have had all day. :lol: I guess some people's definition of "Sandbox" is "a linear path with only one option". Are people really that stupid???

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

[QUOTE="Vadamee"] Please tell me you're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding, because that does not effect the SP experience at ALL. When do you fight enemies that high above ground? In what way does that effect game play? It doesn't... How does snapping a screen shot in devmode effect how you play the SP? Crysis would be no different if it were in corridors. I can also take shots of Halo's sandbox size:

menes777

compared to this?

But you know it's hard to tell with an overhead map right?

OMG that's the best laugh I have had all day. :lol: I guess some people's definition of "Sandbox" is "a linear path with only one option". Are people really that stupid???

...The level design is complete or the leak could not be beaten, the The only things left to complete the game is some audio and textures and some debugging. All in all IT IS THE FULL GAME and will be what is coming out...

04dcarraher