Crysis Warhead could be surpassed on consoles. This isnt a PC diss!

We have heard that Crysis Warhead can and will never be able to be passed on consoles. Yet if Crysis 2 came out 3 years ago on PC then we would hear that it would never be able to happen on consoles. Can we all agree that even if we know that technical limitations of these product that after all these games it should tell us that doesnt mean that the graphics will stay the same?These games are getting significantly better on consoles, and it might be only a matter of time before there is a game that can outdo Crysis Warhead.I cant find fault with thinking otherwisebecause even devs always think that they have released the untapped potential of a console, and every year, another game comes out that looks way better. The hardware is only a piece to the puzzle, the rest is what is on that disc when they use their super powered engines to make these games.

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

-Tretiak

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

gaming25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsT4D2_VTI

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

gaming25

Despite what some people may believe, consoles are not magical boxes that can produce unlimited performance; given the right optimization techniques.

Consoles can not replicate Crysis 1 visuals, never mind Warhead.

This isn't arrogance or elitism, it's common sense.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsT4D2_VTI

Optimization is a course of diminishing returns for consoles now, i am tired of hearing people talking like it an end all way for consoles to advance indefinatly. Crysis 2 is an example of this, it had alot more time to dev than Uncharted 2 released two years later and backed by the authority of high end graphical power houses, yet on consoles it only ended up looking a small bit better if that, with a wealth of performance problems.

While consolse may continue to improve over time the amount they improve will decrease. Look around and games coming out compare the difference of Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, then compare uncharted 2 to Killzone 3 or Crysis 2, the graphical gap is significantly smaller.

Despite what some people may believe, consoles are not magical boxes that can produce unlimited performance; given the right optimization techniques.

Consoles can not replicate Crysis 1 visuals, never mind Warhead.

This isn't arrogance or elitism, it's common sense.

Optimization is a course of diminishing returns for consoles now, i am tired of hearing people talking like it an end all way for consoles to advance indefinably. Crysis 2 is an example of this, it had alot more time to dev than Uncharted 2 released two years later and backed by the authority of high end graphical power houses, yet on consoles it only ended up looking a small bit better if that, with a wealth of performance problems. While console may continue to improve over time the amount they improve will decrease. Look around and games coming out compare the difference of Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, then compare uncharted 2 to Killzone 3 or Crysis 2, the graphical gap is significantly smaller.ferret-gamer

That was before he was developing on consoles. It happens with all the devs.gaming25

256mb of ram can only ever store 256mb of information at any one time.

This is the case, regardless of how far into a console generation we are; and how advanced console optimization techniques become.

To believe otherwise is akin to believing in magic.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]That was before he was developing on consoles. It happens with all the devs.AnnoyedDragon

256mb of ram can only ever store 256mb of information at any one time.

This is the case, regardless of how far into a console generation we are; and how advanced console optimization techniques become.

To believe otherwise is akin to believing in magic.

Exactly. It doesn't matter how well they optimize it. 256mb is 256mb.

ITT TC believes Crytek can increase RAM size with code (which takes up RAM)

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Optimization is a course of diminishing returns for consoles now, i am tired of hearing people talking like it an end all way for consoles to advance indefinably. Crysis 2 is an example of this, it had alot more time to dev than Uncharted 2 released two years later and backed by the authority of high end graphical power houses, yet on consoles it only ended up looking a small bit better if that, with a wealth of performance problems. While console may continue to improve over time the amount they improve will decrease. Look around and games coming out compare the difference of Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, then compare uncharted 2 to Killzone 3 or Crysis 2, the graphical gap is significantly smaller.gaming25

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Optimization is a course of diminishing returns for consoles now, i am tired of hearing people talking like it an end all way for consoles to advance indefinably. Crysis 2 is an example of this, it had alot more time to dev than Uncharted 2 released two years later and backed by the authority of high end graphical power houses, yet on consoles it only ended up looking a small bit better if that, with a wealth of performance problems. While console may continue to improve over time the amount they improve will decrease. Look around and games coming out compare the difference of Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, then compare uncharted 2 to Killzone 3 or Crysis 2, the graphical gap is significantly smaller.gaming25

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

hartsickdiscipl

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

painguy1

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

Both the GPU capabilities and the RAM are issues. You can't max out Crysis Warhead on a 7800gt and get anything close to decent performance.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

Both the GPU capabilities and the RAM are issues. You can't max out Crysis Warhead on a 7800gt and get anything close to decent performance.

Crysis 2 on my PC was eating up around 1.5 GBs of RAM. Just that game, I was surprised to see that...thought it would be much lower.ShadowDeathX

PC isn't very good at streaming. It can of course replicate any streaming based game consoles can run, but it has to pre-load considerably more information in advance to avoid loading stutter.

Console and PC memory are essentially the opposites of each other. PC has lots of slow memory, consoles have small amounts of fast memory.

Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.Skittles_McGee

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.gaming25

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.gaming25

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.gaming25

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

gaming25

Both the GPU capabilities and the RAM are issues. You can't max out Crysis Warhead on a 7800gt and get anything close to decent performance.

This is true, but Crysis and Warhead require a beast of a GPU to max out the details at any resolution over 720p. We're talking something with well over twice the firepower of the GPUs in current-gen consoles.

What I'm saying is this- Even if you somehow gave a PS3 or X360 the RAM needed to run Crysis or Warhead, the GPU still couldn't come close to pushing enough polygons.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.gaming25

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.gaming25

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

The biggest thing that causes games to look pretty similar is that most companies these days develop games around the CONSOLES. However some games, battlefield 3 for instance, the game is being designed for the PC and the being ported to consoles (it's typically the other way around). I would expect to see a significant difference between BF3 on the PC and console versions. The devs actually talk about this principle specifically in an interview in game informer a couple months back.

This is even seen in Crysis 2. Hence the lack of DX11 support thus far and the unexpectedly low system requirements for max settings.

Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.Skittles_McGee

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

No, it couldn't.

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

-Tretiak

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

killzoneded

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

Because they built it around consoles and ported it to pc. DX11 support is coming to PC eventually... then you will see the difference

Consoles=more people, more people happy=more money.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

killzoneded

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

It doesn't

Uh no, consoles don't have the memory for a game like warhead.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

hartsickdiscipl

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

Both the GPU capabilities and the RAM are issues. You can't max out Crysis Warhead on a 7800gt and get anything close to decent performance.

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

Jebus213

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

It doesn't

It does

http://www.pcgames.de/Crysis-2-PC-213107/Specials/Crysis-2-PC-vs-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Der-grosse-CryEngine-3-Grafikvergleich-817206/galerie/1503391/

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

killzoneded

It doesn't

It does

http://www.pcgames.de/Crysis-2-PC-213107/Specials/Crysis-2-PC-vs-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Der-grosse-CryEngine-3-Grafikvergleich-817206/galerie/1503391/

Did you even read what I said or are you choosing to be ignorant so you can continue a pointless argument?

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

It doesn't

It does

http://www.pcgames.de/Crysis-2-PC-213107/Specials/Crysis-2-PC-vs-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Der-grosse-CryEngine-3-Grafikvergleich-817206/galerie/1503391/

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

It doesn't

kris9031998

It does

http://www.pcgames.de/Crysis-2-PC-213107/Specials/Crysis-2-PC-vs-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Der-grosse-CryEngine-3-Grafikvergleich-817206/galerie/1503391/

No it wasn't.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

killzoneded

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

It looks slightly worse and runs at 15-30 fps vs 50-60fps.

Its not the same.

[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="killzoneded"]

It does

http://www.pcgames.de/Crysis-2-PC-213107/Specials/Crysis-2-PC-vs-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Der-grosse-CryEngine-3-Grafikvergleich-817206/galerie/1503391/

i5750at4Ghz

No it wasn't.

The devs themselves talked about how the engine was dumbed-down for consoles and that was translated straight to the PC... I love how people argue without doing any reading at all. The game from day 1 was supposed to have DX11 support which allllll changed with the engine edits.

Just how thick can some people be for feeling the need to make another thread about this again :roll:

Crysis and Warhead CAN NOT BE DONE ON CONSOLES. It's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Period. Let alone be surpassed. There's no buts nor ifs, if you think otherwise you should learn how to read hardware specs instead of getting a headache while trying to pull out arguments you don't understand.

I love how this whole thread immediately fell into a pattern of TC makes uninformed statement about optimization, someone responds with a fact about GPU or RAM, and then TC comes back again and talks about how they could still somehow magically get it to work with less RAM.

Not how it works TC, for every game a certain amount of power is necessary. You could optimize it to run better with a weaker GPU, but it'll use up more RAM. You could theoretically allow the GPU to do all the work and try to use as little RAM as possible (theoretically mind you), but the GPU simply isn't powerful enough regardless.

If the type of optimization you're talking about was possible we would've seen games as good looking as Shadow of the Colossus running on the Nintendo 64 and Uncharted 2 running on the PS2. Obviously we didn't, and there's a reason for that besides devs not being willing to do what's necessary. It's just not possible.

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

Then how does 360 run Crysis 2 same as PC ?

Jankarcop

It looks slightly worse and runs at 15-30 fps vs 50-60fps.

Its not the same.

It averages 29fps on 360, so no, it is not running 15-30, but nearly constant 30 with some drops here and there

And looks so slightly worst that frankly does not mean much, unless you compare side by side and even then you barely see any difference

Just how thick can some people be for feeling the need to make another thread about this again :roll:

Crysis and Warhead CAN NOT BE DONE ON CONSOLES. It's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Period. Let alone be surpassed. There's no buts nor ifs, if you think otherwise you should learn how to read hardware specs instead of getting a headache while trying to pull out arguments you don't understand.

N30F3N1X

If they were remade in Cryengine 2 streaming system they could easilly be done and look a huge lot better in xbox 360

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"] Get this in your mind, THE GAME WAS MADE FOR CONSOLES, THEN PORTED TO PC. THIS ISNT LIKE CRYSIS, THIS IS A CONSOLE GAME. IT WAS JUST PORTED TO PC, THUS it looks the same. If it was made on PC and ported to console, it would be quite different.Smoke89

No it wasn't.

The devs themselves talked about how the engine was dumbed-down for consoles and that was translated straight to the PC... I love how people argue without doing any reading at all. The game from day 1 was supposed to have DX11 support which allllll changed with the engine edits.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="kris9031998"] Get this in your mind, THE GAME WAS MADE FOR CONSOLES, THEN PORTED TO PC. THIS ISNT LIKE CRYSIS, THIS IS A CONSOLE GAME. IT WAS JUST PORTED TO PC, THUS it looks the same. If it was made on PC and ported to console, it would be quite different.Smoke89

No it wasn't.

The devs themselves talked about how the engine was dumbed-down for consoles and that was translated straight to the PC... I love how people argue without doing any reading at all. The game from day 1 was supposed to have DX11 support which allllll changed with the engine edits.