Crytek: Next-gen used games block would be absolutely awesome

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#151 Shinobi120
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I had to wonder why Western publishers are more likely to advocate blocking used games while Japanese publishers like Nintendo do not.mario-galaxys

Simple. They want total control (capitalism) of the gaming Industry.

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#152 RandomWinner
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Cry me a river, b!tch.

You wanna know why people didn't pay for Crysis 2? Because it sucked ass.

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hell YES!

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#153 KingKinect
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[QUOTE="mario-galaxys"]I had to wonder why Western publishers are more likely to advocate blocking used games while Japanese publishers like Nintendo do not.Shinobi120

Simple. They want total control (capitalism) of the gaming Industry.

Total control is more a communist or fascist ideology than capitalist. In the ideal capitalist system competition is of great importance and limiting the way you can buy or sell games would be against such ideology. The ideal capitialist system rarely favors any specific capitalist. This is the main problem with modern capitalism but since I don't want to get into a political discussion i will say no more than this.
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#154 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Blocking used games will be good for two reasons. 1. Developers will make more money to make better games (assuming of course) 2. It will bring down Gamestop's evil empire of buying used games for very cheap and then selling them for only $5 less than new. They make a ton of profits off people who are too cheap to pay $5 more to actually support the developer. Although technically, they are just cashing in on the stupidity of the average consumer. rockydog1111
Must agree with this. People should really support the Publisher and not Gamestop. The more money Publishers make, the bigger the budgets on games will be.

Buh buh GAMESTOP FIGHTS FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD GIVEN CONSUMER RIGHTS!!!!!! :cry:

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I wonder how many failed abortions are actually gonna claim that GS is one of the "good" guys.

:lol:

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#155 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="rockydog1111"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Blocking used games will be good for two reasons. 1. Developers will make more money to make better games (assuming of course) 2. It will bring down Gamestop's evil empire of buying used games for very cheap and then selling them for only $5 less than new. They make a ton of profits off people who are too cheap to pay $5 more to actually support the developer. Although technically, they are just cashing in on the stupidity of the average consumer. Rockman999

Must agree with this. People should really support the Publisher and not Gamestop. The more money Publishers make, the bigger the budgets on games will be.

Buh buh GAMESTOP FIGHTS FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD GIVEN CONSUMER RIGHTS!!!!!! :cry:

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I wonder how many failed abortions are actually gonna claim that GS is one of the "good" guys.

:lol:

I know some people who buy used games and DON'T even support Gamestop. They'd rather buy from stuff like charity shops, pawn shops, as well as Mom and Pop Stores.
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#156 WithoutGraceXII
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I had to wonder why Western publishers are more likely to advocate blocking used games while Japanese publishers like Nintendo do not.mario-galaxys
Yea Japanese developers aren't cheap at all. Right Capcom?
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#157 Peanut04_basic
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="rockydog1111"] Must agree with this. People should really support the Publisher and not Gamestop. The more money Publishers make, the bigger the budgets on games will be.nintendoboy16

Buh buh GAMESTOP FIGHTS FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD GIVEN CONSUMER RIGHTS!!!!!! :cry:

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I wonder how many failed abortions are actually gonna claim that GS is one of the "good" guys.

:lol:

I know some people who buy used games and DON'T even support Gamestop. They'd rather buy from stuff like charity shops, pawn shops, as well as Mom and Pop Stores.

That's how I do it. I hate Gamestop, I wont even go into their stores. I get all my games from a small used games shop. The guys running it are great. They work with you on just about anything you want to buy. No price is set in stone. You can go in there and easily spend over an hour just talking to them. They have a great selection of games and make shopping there a pleasure.
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#158 bezza2011
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it's so wrong for them to do it, when i buy a game it should be mine to do with it wot i want. i get them blocking the online, but anything involing single player should never be blocked for used games. it's madness you don't see ford, bmw, renault all the big major players in the car bussiness shouting about there customers selling on there cars, and wont that effect them in a way to, there second hand market is as big as the car companies themselves.

there all greedy and i tell you why go over to ign and check out the reset trailer that game is being made by just 2 guys!!!!!!

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#159 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Rockman999"] Buh buh GAMESTOP FIGHTS FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD GIVEN CONSUMER RIGHTS!!!!!! :cry:

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I wonder how many failed abortions are actually gonna claim that GS is one of the "good" guys.

:lol:

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I know some people who buy used games and DON'T even support Gamestop. They'd rather buy from stuff like charity shops, pawn shops, as well as Mom and Pop Stores.

That's how I do it. I hate Gamestop, I wont even go into their stores. I get all my games from a small used games shop. The guys running it are great. They work with you on just about anything you want to buy. No price is set in stone. You can go in there and easily spend over an hour just talking to them. They have a great selection of games and make shopping there a pleasure.

I can understand that. I try to have a variety of places for game shopping. Heck, if it hadn't been for pawn shops, I wouldn't have bought this fantastic and underrated masterpiece for $5 (US).

Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy PS2 version

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#160 Zensword
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1.This won't happen, at least in next gen. Maybe Microsoft and Sony (and maybe Nintendo) will make blocked used games consoles in next next gen. 2. Why this ain't happen in next gen ? When you read the replies in this thread and replies in the article, most gamers hate this idea. If Microsoft and Sony make next gen consoles that blcok used games, they would lose millions of customers, that mean they'd lose a s*** load of money. Seriously, as business, who wants to lose money ? Microsoft and Sony are not stupid.
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#161 tomarlyn
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I seriously question the ethics and intellect of people that make statements like this. Goodbye Crytek.
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#162 cyborg100000
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Yeah, awesome for their wallets, money grabbing bastards.

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#163 001011000101101
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I don't really care about their games.
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#164 Wasdie  Moderator
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I seriously question the ethics and intellect of people that make statements like this. Goodbye Crytek.tomarlyn

I question the intellect of people that don't see why a game developer would want used game sales to be eliminated.

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#165 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]I seriously question the ethics and intellect of people that make statements like this. Goodbye Crytek.Wasdie

I question the intellect of people that don't see why a game developer would want used game sales to be eliminated.

Well duh, its their rodeo. Boasting about their greed to consumers won't make them many friends now will it? Please...
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#166 MirkoS77
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Rockman999"] Buh buh GAMESTOP FIGHTS FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD GIVEN CONSUMER RIGHTS!!!!!! :cry:

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I wonder how many failed abortions are actually gonna claim that GS is one of the "good" guys.

:lol:

Peanut04_basic

I know some people who buy used games and DON'T even support Gamestop. They'd rather buy from stuff like charity shops, pawn shops, as well as Mom and Pop Stores.

That's how I do it. I hate Gamestop, I wont even go into their stores. I get all my games from a small used games shop. The guys running it are great. They work with you on just about anything you want to buy. No price is set in stone. You can go in there and easily spend over an hour just talking to them. They have a great selection of games and make shopping there a pleasure.

Like you, I'd like to help out the smaller guy but where I live there's only Gamestop. We did have a small mom an pa owned shop a while ago which was much better than GS way back in the mid-late nineties, but they went down after Software Etc turned into EB and then GS took over and basically became a monopoly. Sad really as like you said they'd negotiate and you could just talk for hours, and they actually KNEW about games, something that can't be said for 90% of GS's employees.

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#167 CLOUDsea
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I guess they don't want their games to leave a legacy.

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#168 Kryptonbornson
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I'm going to put it out there. I doubt most of us knew when we started buying used games that it was a problem, people buy used games and movies out of convenience. If you even so much as stop and think about it, you'd figure it out. That doesn't mean people won't take advantage of the convenience of a cheaper price and flexibility. I was in junior high before I started selling games. No one did it except the pawn shops, Electronic Boutique and Babbages dealt mostly in computer games and didn't start excepting trade-ins later. Pawn shops did the exact same thing that Gamestop did, except they did that with even lava lamps if they had a chance and routinely do. Pawn shops are about exploitation, most people when they get financially stable never use a pawn shop again...even though they still get the stuff they don't want anymore on Amazon. We used to just trade games with friends. If you liked your trade enough, you'd make it permanent, just like ball cards.

1) We all want to support the devs, that way we get better games and they can stay in business. Otherwise they tank, no more L.A. Noire for instance. If you don't want to support the devs, you won't be missed. 1a) Again, games are better than EVER, games have ALWAYS rehashed, but even the rehashes now are classics compared to old games. In fact, we used to want rehashes instead of sequels. Kind of how your Mom might read another author that reads just like Danielle Steel until the next Danielle Steel novel comes out. What we want are good games, the genres WILL repeat themselves, we just want if fresh that what they've been doing. People confuse technological innovation with creativity. There have been top down large world games for a while for instance, only a matter of time before they 3D tech let them do it sucessfully, then came games like Wind Waker and Grand Theft Auto 3, in the same gen no less.

2) It's not that we need used games, we just need assurance of value. Guys that like Call of Duty know it's worth $60 because they'll put 300 hours into it. People that like Elder Scrolls and Fallout will feel the same. However, if you make a bad decision, you want to be able to get you money back. You can get movie ticket refunds in certain circumstances, but the reason in most circumstances that you can't return movie, games, or music is because you can copy them. It's was never their idea for you to sell it. Remember when VHS tapes used to be new video game prices? No? They wised up. New movies are $20 or less now. People used to give away used movies before they sold them...however, selling movies used in quantity has become convenient.

2a) People just want the opportunity to sell their game if they don't like it, or to trade it's value for something else, that' only necessary with a game because of it's cost. $60 is an investment. They wouldn't sell as many new games if it weren't for used games.

2b)They just need to lower prices and hold-outs who would have purchased them used will just buy them new AND earlier just like with movies and music. Even with books many will wait for the paperback because it's cheaper. Used is any afterthought in those cases. It started out just like used games, people going to record stores to find music they don't sell anymore, pawn shops, or places like Half-priced books that specialized in old or new overstock books, and other popular media. Lowering the price of new items makes shopping for used stuff a hobby. Not one of us actually thought they would find all the old issues of the furry comics we used to find used, but we couldn't find them new either.

3a)There are alot of people that prefer console over PC because of this. I'm still regretting my Borderlands and Dragon Age 1&2 purchases like I said before. We used to just say they weren't working and some employees would give us a refund or they sat on the shelf until a friend wanted to trade for it.
3b)People WOULD stop buying as many new games. $60 is prohibitive.

In conclusion, We don't need to exaggerate about the quality or length of games, they're fine. They should be charging cheaper prices or learning how to separate multiplayer from single player budgets. Games are plenty good and plenty long, their pricing structure just needs to be more varied and they need to make the leap from renting/demoing to purchase an impulse buy. When movies became cheap it was nothing to purchase a movie you loved at the theater on DVD.

I guess what most people are raging over is that USED games aren't really the problem. Piracy isn't either, neither are rentals. You can even sell your old action figures if you get tired of them. Granted the price is cheap enough people won't bother or they'll want to hold onto what they have. I still have an old copy of Panza Dragoon Saga and I'll keep a copy of Forest Gump and Color Purple on DVD and when I get a Blu-Ray player I'll upgrade. No doubt Arkham City isn't a kid who used to play with action figure's wet dream. Who would trade that if they didn't get so much money back for it? Even if Gamestop sell it back with a huge markup, I don't think that's their goal. It's just not their problem.