Dark Souls to have fixed resolution and locked at 30FPS for the PC?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Fixed resolution? What the hell? Are they trying to make people not buy the game? I think namco needs to understand that PC gamers may want Dark Souls, but they aren't going to want an abysmal port that screams "don't buy me"

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Honestly, these people complaining about Dark Souls having a cap are the same ones that flipped their **** when they heard Modern Warfare 2 wouldn't use dedicated servers, and at least then it made sense as a shooter series with a prominent fanbase on PC.

The complaining here is just... dumb. Its like they don't even know what a translation error is before assuming its locked at 720P, and apparently NEED to play a slow paced dungeon crawler at 60fps when its the same damn game at 30.

SPYDER0416

Elitists, if you have to wonder why "consolites" might think you guys are snobs that whine about the tiniest things, this post is why.

Its like saying a book is terrible because you were given the paperback version instead of the hardcover. In a game like this the applications of framerate affecting gameplay are so pedestrian its actually pathetic anyone could ever possibly consider it a dealbreaker against buying an amazing game. At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm being trolled and people aren't serious when they actually cry about a non confirmed framerate lock like it somehow alters the game in any way.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] i think pc gamers need to realize dev's that exclusive dev for consoles might not be able to handle the "every possible scenario" pc development. PC dev is more work and people are going to pirate your **** when your done.

savagetwinkie

Meh why pirate when you can get a game used...

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] i think pc gamers need to realize dev's that exclusive dev for consoles might not be able to handle the "every possible scenario" pc development. PC dev is more work and people are going to pirate your **** when your done.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] For some us 60FPS and 30FPS are completely different. kidcool189

Elitists, if you have to wonder why "consolites" might think you guys are snobs that whine about the tiniest things, this post is why.

Its like saying a book is terrible because you were given the paperback version instead of the hardcover. In a game like this the applications of framerate affecting gameplay are so pedestrian its actually pathetic anyone could ever possibly consider it a dealbreaker against buying an amazing game. At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm being trolled and people aren't serious when they actually cry about a non confirmed framerate lock like it somehow alters the game in any way.

If true, not buying until it goes on sale.

Klipsh

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"] People pirate console games. The Witcher 2 was being pirated over a week before its release.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] so? deving for a console isn't as complex, you have 1 system to worry about and guaranteed so much resources, and you don't have to worry about other vendor's that constantly patch their drivers for optimizations and fixes for other games. secondly, its a **** ton easier to pirate PC games, i bet a good chunk of the people downloading the console versions still havn't figured out how they are going to play it... then they get fustrated and buy a copy.

savagetwinkie

This is a straight up port. It'd be a shame if they cant optimzie for the PC, but I encourage PC gamers to still buy and support this amazing IP.

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Elitists, if you have to wonder why "consolites" might think you guys are snobs that whine about the tiniest things, this post is why.

Its like saying a book is terrible because you were given the paperback version instead of the hardcover. In a game like this the applications of framerate affecting gameplay are so pedestrian its actually pathetic anyone could ever possibly consider it a dealbreaker against buying an amazing game. At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm being trolled and people aren't serious when they actually cry about a non confirmed framerate lock like it somehow alters the game in any way.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] We could say the exact same thing for Used games a legal way that devs are losing money that can actually be traced.. Piracy is a empty figure that one can not guarentee has led to lost purchases because there is no telling that the perp would ever have paid the money to begin with.. What matters is the actual purchases, in which we saw recently the port over to Alan Wake was a huge hit.sSubZerOo

And yes there is a fee for royalties after a game is developed but PCs will incur more costs with maintenance and support, there is a peace of mind with consoles knowing they don't change as much, dev's can move resources faster to a new project on consoles and won't need to their game as much unless they completely butchered it.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Honestly, these people complaining about Dark Souls having a cap are the same ones that flipped their **** when they heard Modern Warfare 2 wouldn't use dedicated servers, and at least then it made sense as a shooter series with a prominent fanbase on PC.

The complaining here is just... dumb. Its like they don't even know what a translation error is before assuming its locked at 720P, and apparently NEED to play a slow paced dungeon crawler at 60fps when its the same damn game at 30.

SPYDER0416

Elitists, if you have to wonder why "consolites" might think you guys are snobs that whine about the tiniest things, this post is why.

Its like saying a book is terrible because you were given the paperback version instead of the hardcover. In a game like this the applications of framerate affecting gameplay are so pedestrian its actually pathetic anyone could ever possibly consider it a dealbreaker against buying an amazing game. At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm being trolled and people aren't serious when they actually cry about a non confirmed framerate lock like it somehow alters the game in any way.

Your analogy about books is terrible,and 30 FPS lock is no tiny thing for PC gamers...

Few days ago I was doing a comparison of 30 and 60 FPS in Mass Effect 2,which isn't really a fast paced game...

When I locked the FPS on 30 with Frame Rate Target(small Nvidia app,very useful),the game simply started to lack fluidity,it sucked.Then I returned to the 60 FPS,and the game regained that feeling of fluidity and smoothness Im used to.Anyway,for me the difference was huge,so Jebus is right,30 and 60 FPS make for a huge difference...

I understand how on consoles 30 FPS is fine and perfectly playable,but as I said before,on the PC in most cases it's the bare minimum of playability,and I'm not spending my money on sub-standard products...

Still,this hasn't been confirmed,it's just fan speculation and I hope it's not true because I really want to play Dark Souls,but if it's true,I will either wait for a fix of some sort,or skip the game entirely...

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] For some us 60FPS and 30FPS are completely different. Rocker6

Elitists, if you have to wonder why "consolites" might think you guys are snobs that whine about the tiniest things, this post is why.

Its like saying a book is terrible because you were given the paperback version instead of the hardcover. In a game like this the applications of framerate affecting gameplay are so pedestrian its actually pathetic anyone could ever possibly consider it a dealbreaker against buying an amazing game. At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm being trolled and people aren't serious when they actually cry about a non confirmed framerate lock like it somehow alters the game in any way.

Your analogy about books is terrible,and 30 FPS lock is no tiny thing for PC gamers...

Few days ago I was doing a comparison of 30 and 60 FPS in Mass Effect 2,which isn't really a fast paced game...

When I locked the FPS on 30 with Frame Rate Target(small Nvidia app,very useful),the game simply started to lack fluidity,it sucked.Then I returned to the 60 FPS,and the game regained that feeling of fluidity and smoothness Im used to.Anyway,for me the difference was huge,so Jebus is right,30 and 60 FPS make for a huge difference...

I understand how on consoles 30 FPS is fine and perfectly playable,but as I said before,on the PC in most cases it's the bare minimum of playability,and I'm not spending my money on sub-standard products...

Still,this hasn't been confirmed,it's just fan speculation and I hope it's not true because I really want to play Dark Souls,but if it's true,I will either wait for a fix of some sort,or skip the game entirely...

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="kidcool189"]The thought of being able to play it at a solid 60fps is one of the core reasons I will be purchasing a 2nd copy of this game. Whether you care about it or not, you are really overreacting to that.

kidcool189

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] this game would be wonderful at a solid fps, if its steady 30fps that would make a world of difference, considering its completly playabe at 10fps... 60 fps with this game will make 0 difference.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="kidcool189"]Please speak for yourself.Cranler

I would like to complain, but can I?

They'll probably end up blaming piracy if it doesn't sell all that well.

You have to wonder: why the hell are they even bothering with this then? lol. Oh well. I shan't be getting it. Its meant to be ridiculously hard anyway, which wouldn't be a good fit for me. biggest_loser

Retreat to the petition hermits!DarthBilf

Hey, it worked the first time :)

Regardless, should this just be referring to texture resolutions, I don't see it being a huge issue.

[QUOTE="DarthBilf"]Retreat to the petition hermits!lundy86_4

Hey, it worked the first time :)

Regardless, should this just be referring to texture resolutions, I don't see it being a huge issue.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="DarthBilf"]Retreat to the petition hermits!rilpas

Hey, it worked the first time :)

Regardless, should this just be referring to texture resolutions, I don't see it being a huge issue.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] dark souls is an amazing game, nothing about it needs 60fps, people complaining about it are just spoiled brats, the difference in this case is negligible, on the other hand the resolution might be killer, i have 16:10 hi rez monitors so it'll look worse not being on the native resolution.savagetwinkie

Expexting a 60FPS is hardly a high expectation.Games without locked FPS are the standard in PC gaming,so demanding normal FPS is perfectly reasonable.

High expectations would be saying how we won't be buying the game unless if it includes DX11+Tesselation,but I haven't seen that yet,everything we've asked for recently are reasonable things that are a standard in PC gaming,so stop with your "spoiled" crap...

Also LOL at the "entitlement",Im paying money for the game,as a paying consumer I have every right to express my thoughts about a product,both positive and negative.It seems like many gamers nowdays forgotten how they're consumers,and became corporate drones...

You see,we can live without the gaming industry,but it can't "live" without us.It's a thing many fanboys and drones can't understand...

So there's more reason to not buy this game apart from GFWL? I suggest more people put their money towards Legend of Grimrock instead.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Cranler"] One of the reasons many people have a gaming pc is for 60fps. For me its one of the main reasons. Rocker6

Expexting a 60FPS is hardly a high expectation.Games without locked FPS are the standard in PC gaming,so demanding normal FPS is perfectly reasonable.

High expectations would be saying how we won't be buying the game unless if it includes DX11+Tesselation,but I haven't seen that yet,everything we've asked for recently are reasonable things that are a standard in PC gaming,so stop with your "spoiled" crap...

Also LOL at the "entitlement",Im paying money for the game,as a paying consumer I have every right to express my thoughts about a product,both positive and negative.It seems like many gamers nowdays forgotten how they're consumers,and became corporate drones...

You see,we can live without the gaming industry,but it can't "live" without us.It's a thing many fanboys and drones can't understand...

It is spoiled, it is being entitled, 30fps vs 60fps isn't a big deal and should be a minor complaint at most. Consumers are too entitled now a days, its all about the attititude you and every other person that are being vocal about something so stupid, for a game that hasn't even come out yet, for something you haven't even paid for... its ridiculous

From software is a working hard getting a PC version, and bringing extra content to the table. STFU wait for the game to come out, buy it, play it, then voice your opinion. You haven't even played the game yet and your complaining, not voicing your opinion. Your making demands before you've even got an idea of what its going to be like playing on pc. Its not constructive feedback, and its just a bunch of whiney crap.

The best developers arent just the best because they no what they are doing, they also have the best fans, they build a culture around their games. Look at valve, blizzard, bungie, bethesda, iD... all have huge communities surrounding their games, all are supportive and give constructive feedback for things they'd like to see. From Software is coming onto new turf, if you see value in their software try it, join their community, voice your opinion with the community, what you'd like to see in upcomming patches.

Dark Souls definitly isn't going to have trouble building a good comunity on PC, and the community will be better off if people like you don't that buy the game for a stupid reasons and start making demands even before you've paid for the software. Idiots like you won't scare another dev away from working on PC, From Software will get good feed back from awesome players, and make inprovements to their game or better yet, make another game thats even better.

The entitlement with PC gamers has gotten out of hand "WAAAAAAGH I SPENT OVER NINE THOUSAND ON MY PC AND DESERVE 60 FRAMES PER SECOND!!!!!!!!" Well if you don't like the fact that a dev isn't targeting your high end machine... go play crysis again.

I doubt this to be real, because biggest reason to buy the PC port of any game is the better FPS/Resolution I dont see why they would f*ck themselves that bad or else they are going to lose ALOT of there potential buyers including me (IF I WANTED PLAY THE CONSOLE VERSION ID GET ON MY PS3)

You could probably force 1080p resolution and remove the fps cap with your GPU drivers. maybe

It'll just stretch the image though :|

This may be a crazy thought, but why does it matter so so much? I understand wanting to utilulize the full cpabilites of hardware, but the game will still be enjoyable when lokced at 30 fps. If you only game on PC, skipping this becasue it doesn't utilize the full capabilites of the PC would really be a shame.

You could probably force 1080p resolution and remove the fps cap with your GPU drivers. maybe

It'll just stretch the image though :|

FashionFreak

Also can force 8x super sampling AA and 16x AF as well :P

Hahaha, every time I hear news about this game it always gets worst. Get ready for a third petition.:lol:

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] yes yes, many people are spoiled, feel entitled, and have high expectations. Enjoy the game for what it is 30fps won't be a detriment to the experience at all. Hopefully from software learns their lessons and just makes a new game after instead of trying to deal with bs like this...savagetwinkie

Expexting a 60FPS is hardly a high expectation.Games without locked FPS are the standard in PC gaming,so demanding normal FPS is perfectly reasonable.

High expectations would be saying how we won't be buying the game unless if it includes DX11+Tesselation,but I haven't seen that yet,everything we've asked for recently are reasonable things that are a standard in PC gaming,so stop with your "spoiled" crap...

Also LOL at the "entitlement",Im paying money for the game,as a paying consumer I have every right to express my thoughts about a product,both positive and negative.It seems like many gamers nowdays forgotten how they're consumers,and became corporate drones...

You see,we can live without the gaming industry,but it can't "live" without us.It's a thing many fanboys and drones can't understand...

It is spoiled, it is being entitled, 30fps vs 60fps isn't a big deal and should be a minor complaint at most. Consumers are too entitled now a days, its all about the attititude you and every other person that are being vocal about something so stupid, for a game that hasn't even come out yet, for something you haven't even paid for... its ridiculous

From software is a working hard getting a PC version, and bringing extra content to the table. STFU wait for the game to come out, buy it, play it, then voice your opinion. You haven't even played the game yet and your complaining, not voicing your opinion. Your making demands before you've even got an idea of what its going to be like playing on pc. Its not constructive feedback, and its just a bunch of whiney crap.

The best developers arent just the best because they no what they are doing, they also have the best fans, they build a culture around their games. Look at valve, blizzard, bungie, bethesda, iD... all have huge communities surrounding their games, all are supportive and give constructive feedback for things they'd like to see. From Software is coming onto new turf, if you see value in their software try it, join their community, voice your opinion with the community, what you'd like to see in upcomming patches.

Dark Souls definitly isn't going to have trouble building a good comunity on PC, and the community will be better off if people like you don't that buy the game for a stupid reasons and start making demands even before you've paid for the software. Idiots like you won't scare another dev away from working on PC, From Software will get good feed back from awesome players, and make inprovements to their game or better yet, make another game thats even better.

The entitlement with PC gamers has gotten out of hand "WAAAAAAGH I SPENT OVER NINE THOUSAND ON MY PC AND DESERVE 60 FRAMES PER SECOND!!!!!!!!" Well if you don't like the fact that a dev isn't targeting your high end machine... go play crysis again.

This may be a crazy thought, but why does it matter so so much? I understand wanting to utilulize the full cpabilites of hardware, but the game will still be enjoyable when lokced at 30 fps. If you only game on PC, skipping this becasue it doesn't utilize the full capabilites of the PC would really be a shame.

15strong

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Elitists, if you have to wonder why "consolites" might think you guys are snobs that whine about the tiniest things, this post is why.

Its like saying a book is terrible because you were given the paperback version instead of the hardcover. In a game like this the applications of framerate affecting gameplay are so pedestrian its actually pathetic anyone could ever possibly consider it a dealbreaker against buying an amazing game. At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm being trolled and people aren't serious when they actually cry about a non confirmed framerate lock like it somehow alters the game in any way.

savagetwinkie

Your analogy about books is terrible,and 30 FPS lock is no tiny thing for PC gamers...

Few days ago I was doing a comparison of 30 and 60 FPS in Mass Effect 2,which isn't really a fast paced game...

When I locked the FPS on 30 with Frame Rate Target(small Nvidia app,very useful),the game simply started to lack fluidity,it sucked.Then I returned to the 60 FPS,and the game regained that feeling of fluidity and smoothness Im used to.Anyway,for me the difference was huge,so Jebus is right,30 and 60 FPS make for a huge difference...

I understand how on consoles 30 FPS is fine and perfectly playable,but as I said before,on the PC in most cases it's the bare minimum of playability,and I'm not spending my money on sub-standard products...

Still,this hasn't been confirmed,it's just fan speculation and I hope it's not true because I really want to play Dark Souls,but if it's true,I will either wait for a fix of some sort,or skip the game entirely...

Yeah honestly, they aren't doing this to spite PC gamers. Its just not a game that demands it, and some games like LA Noire require 30fps cap for the motions. I wouldn't know the reasons here, but EXPLODING on the internet over this, demanding it happen or else they think the game is crap.

Its just a tad immature, don't you think?

This may be a crazy thought, but why does it matter so so much? I understand wanting to utilulize the full cpabilites of hardware, but the game will still be enjoyable when lokced at 30 fps. If you only game on PC, skipping this becasue it doesn't utilize the full capabilites of the PC would really be a shame.

15strong

I think people are wanting to skip this game mostly because "straight port" usually implies little to no optimization at all, in the sense that a system that could run BF3 on 1080p >45fps ultra might struggle with this game

Man I wonder why some people defend 30 fps so rigorously. It's like they have a personal stake in it. Riddle me this; If pc gamers have machines that could handle dark souls on a higher fps then why would they want to play it on a locked lower fps? The whole point of pc gaming is you customize your machine so your games have better graphics and fps. It's pc gaming culture. If y'all consolites like 30 fps then all power to you but pc gamers dread low fps.

Man I wonder why some people defend 30 fps so rigorously. It's like they have a personal stake in it. Riddle me this; If pc gamers have machines that could handle dark souls on a higher fps then why would they want to play it on a locked lower fps? The whole point of pc gaming is you customize your machine so your games have better graphics and fps. It's pc gaming culture. If y'all consolites like 30 fps then all power to you but pc gamers dread low fps.

Shiroibwoy

Complain about laziness in PS3 ports and it's justified.

Complain about laziness in PC ports and it's entitlement.

I really don't know why people think that making a PC port is really easy to do.

If you've spent your life as a game programer working under the specifications and restrictions of a console, going to an open platform with thousands of hardware combinations, new tech, and a whole different perspective on how a game should be playable, it's not going to be an easy transition.

I'm not expecting a good port from a team that's never done a PC game before.

Wasdie

This is obviously false, even Wii games that are not officially supported on any PC OS can be ran at 1080p+ so i doubt an established development team will be incapable of making a menu for vsync and resolution ect...

Either way theres too many other PC games coming out this year for me to have much interest in this game and my backlog only seems to be getting bigger, no point in me buying it till its at least on sale, if i even remember it by then.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

Fixed resolution? What the hell? Are they trying to make people not buy the game? I think namco needs to understand that PC gamers may want Dark Souls, but they aren't going to want an abysmal port that screams "don't buy me"

savagetwinkie

Games for Windows Live? Okay, they don't have the time to rewrite the net-code. That's fine.

No mod support? Okay, expecting mods to work in a constant co-op game where Dark Wraiths can invade your world at anytime is rather far-fetched.

No updated graphics? Eh, disappointing seeing as even other console ports have better graphics than their console counter-part (i.e CoD, Crysis 2, RAGE etc.) But I can see the reasoning as it'll take a lot of time and work to redraw every texture in the game etc.

Fixed resolution? Okay, now that's just utter bullsh*t. Virtually all console ports at least has a resolution setting. Let me name some, Call of Duty, Dynasty Warriors, Warhammer 40K Spacemarine, Oblivion, Skyrim, Mass Effect, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed, Grand Theft Auto, Far Cry 2, Crysis 2.

Worst dev ever am confirmed.