The sheep are used to subpar hardware, so what's the problem?
Darksiders II Director: Wii U hardware "on par" with current gen
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You don't need raw power to have amazing games :? Ps2, anyone? I don't care of the power of a console. Because I care about one thing: GAMES. And I don't need power for that. StupidLastRambo341
Then all you have to buy is a PS2, SNES and DS and you're set for life.
Unless you want to admit that more power opens up doors for new experiences? ;)
That IS proof. It is by a developer.
And the whole "memory bandwith and floating point" philosophy is flawed, because according to the developer:
"When people look at the hardware specs on a superficial level, it appears that the Wii and the original Xbox are roughly equal. The Xbox stands in with a processor of 733 Mhz, and the Wii with 729 Mhz. Many an ignorant and snide remark has been made at the Wii's expense due to this superficial outlook. What people fail to realize is the respective bottom-line truths of the aforementioned processors. The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into most games so far on the console, the myth has been well fed. But the original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the already supremely efficient PowerPC series, and of the specialized chip used in the Game Cube. Look into it yourself if you don't believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were at least THREE times more powerful than Intel's Pentium 3 series was. "
LastRambo341
It doesn't matter what system is more powerful on paper. All that matters is how much you can use of it in real life. The best Xbox games looks just as good as the best Wii games. The Wii games might have a better art-direction but that's it.
It's the same for the PS3 vs 360. PS3 is more powerful than the 360 on paper yet most multiplats runs much better on the 360. This is what people fear about the Wiiu. Why bother spending time with Wiiu multiplats when you can just take the 360 version, map the menu to the Wiiu-pad and call it a day?
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]
That IS proof. It is by a developer.
And the whole "memory bandwith and floating point" philosophy is flawed, because according to the developer:
"When people look at the hardware specs on a superficial level, it appears that the Wii and the original Xbox are roughly equal. The Xbox stands in with a processor of 733 Mhz, and the Wii with 729 Mhz. Many an ignorant and snide remark has been made at the Wii's expense due to this superficial outlook. What people fail to realize is the respective bottom-line truths of the aforementioned processors. The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into most games so far on the console, the myth has been well fed. But the original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the already supremely efficient PowerPC series, and of the specialized chip used in the Game Cube. Look into it yourself if you don't believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were at least THREE times more powerful than Intel's Pentium 3 series was. "
JLF1MarkII
It doesn't matter what system is more powerful on paper. All that matters is how much you can use of it in real life. The best Xbox games looks just as good as the best Wii games. The Wii games might have a better art-direction but that's it.
It's the same for the PS3 vs 360. PS3 is more powerful than the 360 on paper yet most multiplats runs much better on the 360. This is what people fear about the Wiiu. Why bother spending time with Wiiu multiplats when you can just take the 360 version, map the menu to the Wiiu-pad and call it a day?
I agree you can nitpick aboutpower butthe Wii and Xbox were on the same level.
[QUOTE="locopatho"]Destroy it terms of power. Which would lead to exclusive games doing all sorts of awesome that current consoles can't. So it makes sense for it to be a new console, and not a pointless, overpriced, years late competiter to last gen. You sure are one to talk, Mr "I admire Hitler not to mention your other dumbass crap about power having zero impact games. Go back to your Atari 2600 and NES and be happy. What's that? Nintendo aren't releasing Mario Galaxy or Skyward Sword on the NES? Whyever not, since power doesn't matter at all :shock: :roll: You don't need raw power to have amazing games :? Ps2, anyone? I don't care of the power of a console. Because I care about one thing: GAMES. And I don't need power for that. Stupid So go play Atari 2600 and NES for the rest of your life. 100s of games for you. Gaming will be better without you and your mindless bending over in front of Nintendo. It's better for Ninty fans to be smart and challenge Ninty to do their best. The people who made Wii such a success are NOT helping gaming. Ditto for Kinect and all that ilk, before someone wants to say I just hate Nintendo.[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] You WANT it to destroy them? :? Why do you care?? That is a typical mindset of a console war nerdLastRambo341
[QUOTE="painguy1"]
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]You have proof? No. I do "But the original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the already supremely efficient PowerPC series, and of the specialized chip used in the Game Cube. Look into it yourself if you don't believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were at least THREE times more powerful than Intel's Pentium 3 series "LastRambo341
thats not a source. this is a source
http://www.pvcmuseum.com/games/console-specs/
the main thing u will notice is the higher memory bandwidth, but lower amount floating point registers.
That IS proof. It is by a developer.
And the whole "memory bandwith and floating point" philosophy is flawed, because according to the developer:
"When people look at the hardware specs on a superficial level, it appears that the Wii and the original Xbox are roughly equal. The Xbox stands in with a processor of 733 Mhz, and the Wii with 729 Mhz. Many an ignorant and snide remark has been made at the Wii's expense due to this superficial outlook. What people fail to realize is the respective bottom-line truths of the aforementioned processors. The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into most games so far on the console, the myth has been well fed. But the original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the already supremely efficient PowerPC series, and of the specialized chip used in the Game Cube. Look into it yourself if you don't believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were at least THREE times more powerful than Intel's Pentium 3 series was. "
Philosphy? its a philosphy now, and it doesn't matter? u rly don't know what ur talking about do u? The wii is tech from 1999 get over it.
that quote sounds alot like something made up by you. The only dev in the industry who gives such a detailed description of things is carmack and he never commented on the Wii. If that quote was real ppl would be using it all the time. Either give a real source with a link or stop arguing.
The quote is from an article on a site called wiirincontrol.com, which has since shut down.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/why-the-wii-is-stronger-than-last-gen-consoles-for-dummies-conduit-info.174849474/
It appears to be written by an editor on the site, not an actual developer.
Still in the whole Wii Vs xbox argument? The Xbox can't even come close to what Shattered Memories was on the Wii.
I think it was written by HVSThe quote is from an article on a site called wiirincontrol.com, which has since shut down.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/why-the-wii-is-stronger-than-last-gen-consoles-for-dummies-conduit-info.174849474/
It appears to be written by an editor on the site, not an actual developer.
Cherokee_Jack
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]
You don't need raw power to have amazing games :? Ps2, anyone? I don't care of the power of a console. Because I care about one thing: GAMES. And I don't need power for that. StupidJLF1MarkII
Then all you have to buy is a PS2, SNES and DS and you're set for life.
Unless you want to admit that more power opens up doors for new experiences? ;)
But wait, PS2 is more powerful than Ps1, snes is more powerful than nes etc. :O
All I'm saying is that I don't care of the power ;) , I just want the games. So even if WiiU is weakest console in terms of power but has appealing games, then I'll buy it ;)
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Destroy it terms of power. Which would lead to exclusive games doing all sorts of awesome that current consoles can't. So it makes sense for it to be a new console, and not a pointless, overpriced, years late competiter to last gen. You sure are one to talk, Mr "I admire Hitler not to mention your other dumbass crap about power having zero impact games. Go back to your Atari 2600 and NES and be happy. What's that? Nintendo aren't releasing Mario Galaxy or Skyward Sword on the NES? Whyever not, since power doesn't matter at all :shock: :roll:You don't need raw power to have amazing games :? Ps2, anyone? I don't care of the power of a console. Because I care about one thing: GAMES. And I don't need power for that. Stupid So go play Atari 2600 and NES for the rest of your life. 100s of games for you. Gaming will be better without you and your mindless bending over in front of Nintendo. It's better for Ninty fans to be smart and challenge Ninty to do their best. The people who made Wii such a success are NOT helping gaming. Ditto for Kinect and all that ilk, before someone wants to say I just hate Nintendo.locopatho
I actually do play NES games :P, my point is that I don't care if the console is the weakest in a gen or overall, as long as it has appealing games, I'll play it and enjoy it, just like Wii ;)
LOL gaming will be better without me ? :lol: , drama-queen?
That is because I LOOOOVEEEE bending ;), so sweet
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]
[QUOTE="painguy1"]
thats not a source. this is a source
http://www.pvcmuseum.com/games/console-specs/
the main thing u will notice is the higher memory bandwidth, but lower amount floating point registers.painguy1
That IS proof. It is by a developer.
And the whole "memory bandwith and floating point" philosophy is flawed, because according to the developer:
"When people look at the hardware specs on a superficial level, it appears that the Wii and the original Xbox are roughly equal. The Xbox stands in with a processor of 733 Mhz, and the Wii with 729 Mhz. Many an ignorant and snide remark has been made at the Wii's expense due to this superficial outlook. What people fail to realize is the respective bottom-line truths of the aforementioned processors. The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into most games so far on the console, the myth has been well fed. But the original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the already supremely efficient PowerPC series, and of the specialized chip used in the Game Cube. Look into it yourself if you don't believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were at least THREE times more powerful than Intel's Pentium 3 series was. "
Philosphy? its a philosphy now, and it doesn't matter? u rly don't know what ur talking about do u? The wii is tech from 1999 get over it.
that quote sounds alot like something made up by you. The only dev in the industry who gives such a detailed description of things is carmack and he never commented on the Wii. If that quote was real ppl would be using it all the time. Either give a real source with a link or stop arguing.
* I don't care what year is the tech from
* You can just copy-paste it in Google, you moron :lol: , unfortunately, the site shut down but I managed to get the exact quote from people in other forums who quoted it. That is from a developer, not a random nobody like you ;), so I believe him and he is more credible. Fvck you
hahaha sheep are mad as hell :lol:
they're even using obscenities.
HAHAHHAHA :lol: I knoooowwwww, right? :lol:hahaha sheep are mad as hell :lol:
they're even using obscenities.
rasengan2552
Hey Shinra, now we have the Art and technical director saying the Wii-U is pretty powerful. Now we can have a discussion about who to believe and what pretty powerful means!ShuichiChamp24I guarantee you that those developers are talking about the Wii U in comparison to the Wii. E3 is not long away. Just wait and watch as a bunch of threads are made saying that these are launch titles. Its pretty much guaranteed that all ports will be identical to the 360/PS3. All this denial over a $350/£250 console that gave us a tech demo no superior to 360/PS3 games is really p***ing me off.
I guarantee you that those developers are talking about the Wii U in comparison to the Wii. E3 is not long away. Just wait and watch as a bunch of threads are made saying that these are launch titles. Its pretty much guaranteed that all ports will be identical to the 360/PS3. All this denial over a $350/£250 console that gave us a tech demo no superior to 360/PS3 games is really p***ing me off.[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]Hey Shinra, now we have the Art and technical director saying the Wii-U is pretty powerful. Now we can have a discussion about who to believe and what pretty powerful means!Grey_Eyed_Elf
Those are all outdated tech demos.
I generally think Crytek knows what they are talking about when it comes to graphics. Crysis was/is considered the best looking game for a significant amount of time and they have shown that they know how to make good graphics, if they say it is powerful and good I'll believe them. Darksiders might be a fun game but impressive graphics is something that it never had(yes I understand the art direction, don't like that either).
[QUOTE="painguy1"]
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]
That IS proof. It is by a developer.
And the whole "memory bandwith and floating point" philosophy is flawed, because according to the developer:
"When people look at the hardware specs on a superficial level, it appears that the Wii and the original Xbox are roughly equal. The Xbox stands in with a processor of 733 Mhz, and the Wii with 729 Mhz. Many an ignorant and snide remark has been made at the Wii's expense due to this superficial outlook. What people fail to realize is the respective bottom-line truths of the aforementioned processors. The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into most games so far on the console, the myth has been well fed. But the original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the already supremely efficient PowerPC series, and of the specialized chip used in the Game Cube. Look into it yourself if you don't believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were at least THREE times more powerful than Intel's Pentium 3 series was. "
LastRambo341
Philosphy? its a philosphy now, and it doesn't matter? u rly don't know what ur talking about do u? The wii is tech from 1999 get over it.
that quote sounds alot like something made up by you. The only dev in the industry who gives such a detailed description of things is carmack and he never commented on the Wii. If that quote was real ppl would be using it all the time. Either give a real source with a link or stop arguing.
* I don't care what year is the tech from
* You can just copy-paste it in Google, you moron :lol: , unfortunately, the site shut down but I managed to get the exact quote from people in other forums who quoted it. That is from a developer, not a random nobody like you ;), so I believe him and he is more credible. Fvck you
"I don't care what year is the tech from"
this is the fundemental reason as too why you don't know what ur talking about. Ignorance isn't a good thing bro. Also that quote is not from a dev, its from the interviewer. there is no need to curse btw.
So go play Atari 2600 and NES for the rest of your life. 100s of games for you. Gaming will be better without you and your mindless bending over in front of Nintendo. It's better for Ninty fans to be smart and challenge Ninty to do their best. The people who made Wii such a success are NOT helping gaming. Ditto for Kinect and all that ilk, before someone wants to say I just hate Nintendo.[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] You don't need raw power to have amazing games :? Ps2, anyone? I don't care of the power of a console. Because I care about one thing: GAMES. And I don't need power for that. StupidLastRambo341
I actually do play NES games :P, my point is that I don't care if the console is the weakest in a gen or overall, as long as it has appealing games, I'll play it and enjoy it, just like Wii ;)
LOL gaming will be better without me ? :lol: , drama-queen?
That is because I LOOOOVEEEE bending ;), so sweet
You are in love with sh!t. That is the problem.Alongw with millions of other idiots, you buy **** games. You encourage mediocre, lowest common denominator games. You want "waggle to win" games. SO get the f*ck outta my industry, Mr "I love hitler and admire his speaking ability". Do you deny you love him? Cos I remember more then one post where you praised him, you horrible person. Take it in the butt from whoever you want while you wait to pay hundreds for an inferior version of Batman. Gaming will move on without you.[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]
[QUOTE="locopatho"] So go play Atari 2600 and NES for the rest of your life. 100s of games for you. Gaming will be better without you and your mindless bending over in front of Nintendo. It's better for Ninty fans to be smart and challenge Ninty to do their best. The people who made Wii such a success are NOT helping gaming. Ditto for Kinect and all that ilk, before someone wants to say I just hate Nintendo.locopatho
I actually do play NES games :P, my point is that I don't care if the console is the weakest in a gen or overall, as long as it has appealing games, I'll play it and enjoy it, just like Wii ;)
LOL gaming will be better without me ? :lol: , drama-queen?
That is because I LOOOOVEEEE bending ;), so sweet
You are in love with sh!t. That is the problem.Alongw with millions of other idiots, you buy **** games. You encourage mediocre, lowest common denominator games. You want "waggle to win" games. SO get the f*ck outta my industry, Mr "I love hitler and admire his speaking ability". Do you deny you love him? Cos I remember more then one post where you praised him, you horrible person. Take it in the butt from whoever you want while you wait to pay hundreds for an inferior version of Batman. Gaming will move on without you. U mad bro? :lol: 1) Whats s*** to you is s**** to me, and vice versa. 2) What **** games? Examples? You can take a look at my list and they're good games. You may not like em, but I do. I can conclude that YOU buy mediocre garbage :lol: 3) Waggle> Button mash. No, you get out :lol:. The Hitler part was just trolling, and even if I wasn't, I just liked his speaking ability, not the crimes he committed, you moron. There is a good quality in everyone. 4) Hundreds? Inferior Batman? Don't judge the WiiU version when you didn't play it AND i have the Ps3 version so suck it 5) Still gaming ;) go cry
The sheep are used to subpar hardware, so what's the problem?
KiZZo1
Cows talking about subpar hardware..
[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]
[QUOTE="painguy1"]
Philosphy? its a philosphy now, and it doesn't matter? u rly don't know what ur talking about do u? The wii is tech from 1999 get over it.
that quote sounds alot like something made up by you. The only dev in the industry who gives such a detailed description of things is carmack and he never commented on the Wii. If that quote was real ppl would be using it all the time. Either give a real source with a link or stop arguing.
painguy1
* I don't care what year is the tech from
* You can just copy-paste it in Google, you moron :lol: , unfortunately, the site shut down but I managed to get the exact quote from people in other forums who quoted it. That is from a developer, not a random nobody like you ;), so I believe him and he is more credible. Fvck you
"I don't care what year is the tech from"
this is the fundemental reason as too why you don't know what ur talking about. Ignorance isn't a good thing bro. Also that quote is not from a dev, its from the interviewer. there is no need to curse btw.
Not caring about the tech has no relevance to my knowledge. That quote IS from a dev. Deny it all you wantThis thread reminds why I need to stop coming here and gaming forums in general.:|
kidcool189
Along with the "No more used games" rumor, this is the kinda stuff that makes me want to stop gaming altogether. Games are supposed to be about having fun, enjoying yourself.... having a hobby that entertains you. But gamers these days are just a bunch of elitist brats arguing about who the bigger fanboy is and who has a better system, or who pledged allegiance to the better multinational corporation. "Ur systum has worse graphics" "Well urs is just about shooting people and getting screamed at by 12 year olds" "Well urs is just the saem dumb mario over and over" "well urs is just pretty graphics" "well ur both dumb cuz I play PC and it's kewler than everything in the world its like haeving 9 inches peen"
Yeah... I only visit system wars like once a year, and it's so depressing I leave until next year.
[QUOTE="kidcool189"]
This thread reminds why I need to stop coming here and gaming forums in general.:|
decepticondevil
Along with the "No more used games" rumor, this is the kinda stuff that makes me want to stop gaming altogether. Games are supposed to be about having fun, enjoying yourself.... having a hobby that entertains you. But gamers these days are just a bunch of elitist brats arguing about who the bigger fanboy is and who has a better system, or who pledged allegiance to the better multinational corporation. "Ur systum has worse graphics" "Well urs is just about shooting people and getting screamed at by 12 year olds" "Well urs is just the saem dumb mario over and over" "well urs is just pretty graphics" "well ur both dumb cuz I play PC and it's kewler than everything in the world its like haeving 9 inches peen"
Yeah... I only visit system wars like once a year, and it's so depressing I leave until next year.
Blame elitist nerds like Locopatho
WiiU is probably packing something along the lines of a 4650. I have a 4830 and that Zelda demo and rumors like this don't line up with what you would see from a GPU like the 4830/50.
Been playing ME3 at 1080p and there's plenty of scenes that are as impressive as the Zelda demo, which only ran 720p. WiiU will get 720p ports of X3/PS4 games. That's how I see it anyway.
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