Darksiders II Director: Wii U hardware "on par" with current gen

[QUOTE="SoraX64"] Nintendo does not release the most powerful consoles. M8ingSeezun

Yes they did. Not significantly powerful, like in the case with GC vs XBOX, but nonetheless slightly more powerful than Genesis, PS1 and PS2.

SNES, N64, GC say hi.

They stopped the whole powerful hardware thing with Wii, because they knew they just couldn't compete in horsepower with Sony and MS. And we're gonna see this again once PS4 or Nextbox arrives.

really getting sick of this

its powerful

its weak

its powerful

its weak

I just want to know what i can see! Why the hell do we always have to wait for e3 to get real news?

[QUOTE="flipdc5"]

This thread will develop into cows saying they were right all along about the hardware and yadda yadda.

Plus, people at gaf saying the devs don't know what they're talking about are delusional.

This is Nintendo being Nintendo, deal with it.

MLBknights58

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[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

[QUOTE="SoraX64"] Nintendo does not release the most powerful consoles. SoraX64

Yes they did. Not significantly powerful, like in the case with GC vs XBOX, but nonetheless slightly more powerful than Genesis, PS1 and PS2.

SNES, N64, GC say hi.

They stopped the whole powerful hardware thing with Wii, because they knew they just couldn't compete in horsepower with Sony and MS. And we're gonna see this again once PS4 or Nextbox arrives.

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The only problem I forsee is when PS4/720 has a ton of great multiplats and the WiiU will fall back again to just 1st party titles since their version of the multiplat will clearly be subpar compared to the next gen consoles.

lol so bad.

lol so much for sheep thinking there next machine would be a beaststereointegrity

not all of us thought that, come on now :o but....your sig is bad ass lol

The only problem I forsee is when PS4/720 has a ton of great multiplats and the WiiU will fall back again to just 1st party titles since their version of the multiplat will clearly be subpar compared to the next gen consoles.

SRTtoZ

There are too many variables at this point to make any kind of informed judgement on the next batch of systems.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]lol so much for sheep thinking there next machine would be a beastbabycakin

not all of us thought that, come on now :o but....your sig is bad ass lol

I knew devs wouldn't take advantage of the WiiU's hardware the first year or so after it releases. Let's just wait for E3 beore we make fun of this system for being weak.

The only problem I forsee is when PS4/720 has a ton of great multiplats and the WiiU will fall back again to just 1st party titles since their version of the multiplat will clearly be subpar compared to the next gen consoles.

SRTtoZ

Aren't they using hardware that can easily scale games from other consoles to make it run easily on weaker hardware?

Pure fail...

At least it could compete with 6 years old consoles :lol: Wiiu will be like wii. 'who cares about graphics' is what you'll be hearing from every sheep when next gen launches. Instead of hyping next gen features that pushes the tech, its a controller that is gonna be hyped like waggle was on wii lmao. I'm aware that Darksiders is just a port but it could at least run in 1080p? Nop :lol:silversix_

I'd say most Wii (exclusively, especially) owners don't care about hardware, so this news, while somewhat disappointing for Nintendo fans I'm sure, isn't a deal breaker. I game on every platform, and I can honestly say at this point.. "who cares about graphics". It's sad games like Crysis and Metro are considered "good" (don't kid yourself, we all know why).

Give me software.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]At least it could compete with 6 years old consoles :lol: Wiiu will be like wii. 'who cares about graphics' is what you'll be hearing from every sheep when next gen launches. Instead of hyping next gen features that pushes the tech, its a controller that is gonna be hyped like waggle was on wii lmao. I'm aware that Darksiders is just a port but it could at least run in 1080p? Nop :lol:Bowelss

I'd say most Wii (exclusively, especially) owners don't care about hardware, so this news, while somewhat disappointing for Nintendo fans I'm sure, isn't a deal breaker. I game on every platform, and I can honestly say at this point.. "who cares about graphics". It's sad games like Crysis and Metro are considered "good" (don't kid yourself, we all know why).

Give me software.

There have been conflicting reports by multiple devs/publishers.I would just wait for E3 to see how powerful the console is.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Well, it's a port from last gen consoles. You really think they would go THAT far? :?nintendoboy16

NBA 2K6 (Xbox):

NBA 2K6 (Xbox 360 port):

NFS MW (Xbox):

NFS MW (Xbox 360 port):

LOL. Wii-Underpowered.

So basically, it's another Dreamcast. Slightly better than current gen specs but not nearly enough, a gimmick screen controller and an over reliance on first party.

Wonderbar.

So basically, it's another Dreamcast. Slightly better than current gen specs but not nearly enough, a gimmick screen controller and an over reliance on first party.

Wonderbar.

Chemical_Viking

They gotta balance out the price somehow. A beastly console with an expensive ass controller never seemed like a logical thing for Nintendo to do.

The casual audience didn't care about graphics last gen when they were buying Wii's for their kids and Grandparents, and they certainly won't pay a premium for it next gen.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

So basically, it's another Dreamcast. Slightly better than current gen specs but not nearly enough, a gimmick screen controller and an over reliance on first party.

Wonderbar.

Tikeio

They gotta balance out the price somehow. A beastly console with an expensive ass controller never seemed like a logical thing for Nintendo to do.

The casual audience didn't care about graphics last gen when they were buying Wii's for their kids and Grandparents, and they certainly won't pay a premium for it next gen.

Hardly a gamers paradise they're in for then. Party games and cooking mama in HD. Reminds me of when I was playing the likes of Soul Reaver on Dreamcast. It looked great for the time, but it was out on PS1, and I'd have enjoyed it as much. Mores to the point, when PS2 came out and then the xbox, my DC collected dust, because with the exception of 2D games and shenmue, the games looked like dog****.

I knew devs wouldn't take advantage of the WiiU's hardware the first year or so after it releases. Let's just wait for E3 beore we make fun of this system for being weak.

super600

You know how bad Nintendo's fallen when instead of speculating how POWERFUL their next gen console will be, we are insteat speculating how inferior it will be to the others. :lol:

You know how bad Nintendo's fallen when instead of speculating how POWERFUL their next gen console will be, we are insteat speculating how inferior it will be to the others. :lol:

StrongDeadlift

I like how people like you ignore countless other developers statements, single out the one negative statement from a developer that admittedly ported the game with 2 lines of code and completed the game 2 months after e3 2011, take that and run with it, just so it can support their overwhelming hatred for a company that make toys.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

You know how bad Nintendo's fallen when instead of speculating how POWERFUL their next gen console will be, we are insteat speculating how inferior it will be to the others. :lol:

D4W1L4H

I like how people like you ignore countless other developers statements, single out the one negative statement from a developer that admittedly ported the game with 2 lines of code and completed the game 2 months after e3 2011, take that and run with it, just so it can support their overwhelming hatred for a company that make toys.

Yes with the N64 but it was at the time so it wasn't a lie.

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Nintendo_Ownes7

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

Yes with the N64 but it was at the time so it wasn't a lie.

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SoraX64

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

[QUOTE="SoraX64"] Nintendo does not release the most powerful consoles. SoraX64

Yes they did. Not significantly powerful, like in the case with GC vs XBOX, but nonetheless slightly more powerful than Genesis, PS1 and PS2.

SNES, N64, GC say hi.

They stopped the whole powerful hardware thing with Wii, because they knew they just couldn't compete in horsepower with Sony and MS. And we're gonna see this again once PS4 or Nextbox arrives.

Yes they have.....in a Popular Mechanics issue back in December 1991, if memory serves. I still have that issue somewhere in my parents' garage.

In that small article of WHAT'S NEW section, there's a small description of what the SNES was capable of:

• a system capable of boasting 32,000+ colors, out of that palette, about 256 can be rendered in one time (as oppose to Genesis' 512 palette only 64 in one time) (however TG16 had a palette of 512 that can rendered all 512 at the same time, but that's another story)
• scaling and rotation capabilities (look up Contra 3 Alien Wars and see what they mean), features that were lacking in the Sega Genesis
• additional L and R buttons on the shoulders, and additional X Y to accomodate A B, totalling 6 face buttons (Genesis had only 3 - ABC buttons)
• sound chip exclusively devloped by Sony Corp.
• Also pictures of Pilot Wings were shown (rather crude pics) of what the system was capable in terms of scaling and rotation.

N64 was heavily hyped as THE 3D ONLY capable console of the time, and yes they were right.

Also, in an issue of EGM, December 2001, XBOX vs GC, Nintendo developers, before GC was release when the article was written, GC had capabilites far more superior than N64, removing most of the bottlenecks that plagued the N64. And there were capabilities in GC that haven't even been utilized, more recently rendering stereoscopic 3D.

I dont "hate" anything or anyone :lol:. At the end of the day, all that matters is that if you go with PS4 (and most likely 720 as well) you wont even have to concern yourself with that. StrongDeadlift

Oh really? You must have mentally blocked yourself when a SONY rep publicly stated that they would like to appeal to younger gamers, and females.

Or when rumors were circulating about the next Xbox having weaker hardware than the rumored specs of the Wii U.

Or when the next xbox was anonymously reported run the Samaritan tech demo, right after an EPIC VP said that Unreal Engine 4 made the Samaritan demo "look feeble," and that the Wii U could run something akin to "Unreal Engine 3.9."

Yeah, just ignore all that, and instead take note from someone who finished porting the game 2 moths after e3, with only 2 lines of code. Surely that would be better than taking the word of developers saying that the final Wii U dev kits were "more powerful than expected," and "much more powerful than current gen consoles." Makes sense right?

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]I dont "hate" anything or anyone :lol:. At the end of the day, all that matters is that if you go with PS4 (and most likely 720 as well) you wont even have to concern yourself with that. D4W1L4H

Oh really? You must have mentally blocked yourself when a SONY rep publicly stated that they would like to appeal to younger gamers, and females.

Or when rumors were circulating about the next Xbox having weaker hardware than the rumored specs of the Wii U.

Or when the next xbox was anonymously reported run the Samaritan tech demo, right after an EPIC VP said that Unreal Engine 4 made the Samaritan demo "look feeble," and that the Wii U could run something akin to "Unreal Engine 3.9."

Yeah, just ignore all that, and instead take note from someone who finished porting the game 2 moths after e3, with only 2 lines of code. Surely that would be better than taking the word of developers saying that the final Wii U dev kits were "more powerful than expected," and "much more powerful than current gen consoles." Makes sense right?

Consumers who don't frequent the internet for simple rumors of consoles (which happens to be the vast majority) really don't concern themselves with the power of the PS4/Nextbox. So in a sense, he's right.

Despite rumors, the "safest" next gen console right now is undetermined. Although, if it wasn't for the PS3 being a failure early in this gen, the PS4 would be the safest bet. Sony is on that "last place" budget right now, so that kinda rules out the possibility of the PS4 being a total powerhouse.

And with MS, it's kinda hard to say. With Kinect and the whole "no used games" thing, Microsoft's goal for their next gen console isn't quite clear. "Casual" or "core"? Digital download or discs?

One can only speculate at this point, but it's still fun to upset sheep. Lighten up.

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

So... Simply put.

NextBox, PS4 and PC > Wii: U

Wii U is the same as a 5/6 Year old console.
Bravo Nintendo.. making money from old tech. :|

nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

So... Simply put.

NextBox, PS4 and PC > Wii: U

Wii U is the same as a 5/6 Year old console.
Bravo Nintendo.. making money from old tech. :|

g0ddyX

Yeah. Just ignore previous quotes from developers saying that it was "much more powerful" than the current gen consoles, and that the Wii U " was more powerful than expected." But anything to support you bias, right?

sheep will be sheep ... they won't accept reality until its too late, like always.

One can only speculate at this point, but it's still fun to upset sheep. Lighten up.

Tikeio

Back to that mentality again.

I've already showed that on a personal level, I'm indifferent towards Wii U's graphics. I will purchase and enjoy Nintendo's 1st party offerings, just like I did this gen. You don't need a powerhouse for Nintendo games either, because of their graphical nature.

I'm coming purely from a speculation/prediction perspective about its implication on sales. I may have to eat crow this E3, but that's it. There's nothing to be "mad" or "upset" about. I imagine this is the case for everyone who enjoyed Wii: Wii U will have the same kind of 1st party Nintendo stuff, and thus its severely underpowered hardware (in relative terms) doesn't impact my enjoyment.

However, I will maintain from a sales perspective that it doesn't make sense considering Nintendo stated they want the hardcore back. I belive Wii U will be powerful enough to be able to receive downports of next gen games, not for my personal gain, but as a prediction about the 8th gen home console wars. I'm personally not fond of the kind of gaming found on PS3/360. There are a handful of franchises, literally 3-5, that I would be glad to see come to Nintendo systems, but that's a negligible amount of games.

You know how bad Nintendo's fallen when instead of speculating how POWERFUL their next gen console will be, we are insteat speculating how inferior it will be to the others. :lol:

StrongDeadlift

you cant fall when your own top....i really wish posters here start thinking logically instead of retarted

You know how bad Nintendo's fallen when instead of speculating how POWERFUL their next gen console will be, we are insteat speculating how inferior it will be to the others. :lol:

StrongDeadlift

you cant fall when your still own top....i really wish posters here start thinking logically instead of retarted

Someone link me to the PS4/Xbox 720 graphics please. :)

sheep will be sheep ... they won't accept reality until its too late, like always.

rasengan2552

EDIT: I mean look at these quotations (courtesy of D4W1l4H)

There have been more developers stating the opposite:

Crytek:: "The specs are very good. It's a challenge for designers, but once thought through it can add value, and that's what's ultimately important. Our guys in Nottingham they are very happy with their tests on the dev kits and they're excited about it."

Valve:"Wii U seems to be a lot more powerful than the previous generation," he claimed. "It sort of fits better into the scalability in terms of graphics performance and CPU performance, so I think it'll be a lot easier for us to fit it into our scalability model."

THQ:"The Wii U is much more powerful than the other HD consoles, so Wii U doesn't have a huge problem doing 1080p for the majority of its games."

THQ: "Expect majority of third party Wii U games from most publishers to have true 1080p, additional content, and smoother framrates than what the PS3/360 versions offer."

D4W1L4H

Weren't sheep supposed to be instinct on SW? Sup with the "lets just wait E3 and see"? What are we gonna talk until E3? Not like Nintendo announced any games worth hyping. If a game is being released on a new system that comes out at the end of 2012 runs at exactly same res, AA, AF, textures as an old ass 6-7 years old console, i think its worth talking about it. To me this is just pathetic, but that's just me.silversix_

Learn to spell dude. It's extinct not instinct.And there is adecent chance the console will be significantly more powerful then the HD twins, but we will have to wait until E3to know that.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Weren't sheep supposed to be instinct on SW? Sup with the "lets just wait E3 and see"? What are we gonna talk until E3? Not like Nintendo announced any games worth hyping. If a game is being released on a new system that comes out at the end of 2012 runs at exactly same res, AA, AF, textures as an old ass 6-7 years old console, i think its worth talking about it. To me this is just pathetic, but that's just me.super600

Learn to spell dude. It's extinct not instinct.And there is adecent chance the console will be significantly more powerful then the HD twins, but we will have to wait until E3to know that.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Weren't sheep supposed to be instinct on SW? Sup with the "lets just wait E3 and see"? What are we gonna talk until E3? Not like Nintendo announced any games worth hyping. If a game is being released on a new system that comes out at the end of 2012 runs at exactly same res, AA, AF, textures as an old ass 6-7 years old console, i think its worth talking about it. To me this is just pathetic, but that's just me.silversix_

Learn to spell dude. It's extinct not instinct.And there is adecent chance the console will be significantly more powerful then the HD twins, but we will have to wait until E3to know that.

And why are you ignoring the other hardware claims by the other devs.:lol:

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]I dont "hate" anything or anyone :lol:. At the end of the day, all that matters is that if you go with PS4 (and most likely 720 as well) you wont even have to concern yourself with that. D4W1L4H

Oh really? You must have mentally blocked yourself when a SONY rep publicly stated that they would like to appeal to younger gamers, and females.

Or when rumors were circulating about the next Xbox having weaker hardware than the rumored specs of the Wii U.

Or when the next xbox was anonymously reported run the Samaritan tech demo, right after an EPIC VP said that Unreal Engine 4 made the Samaritan demo "look feeble," and that the Wii U could run something akin to "Unreal Engine 3.9."

Yeah, just ignore all that, and instead take note from someone who finished porting the game 2 moths after e3, with only 2 lines of code. Surely that would be better than taking the word of developers saying that the final Wii U dev kits were "more powerful than expected," and "much more powerful than current gen consoles." Makes sense right?

Amen! It's like everyone is sentencing someone to death before his/her trial. Suddenly a single quote is the mighty and wise source of all that is knowledge.

And to clarify: A sheep would blindly deny any claims of the WiiU being weak. Saying that there is very little information out there to make definitive statements is not siding or going against Nintendo. How is it herd mentality if we're not siding with anyone? *braces himself for lame answer*

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Learn to spell dude. It's extinct not instinct.And there is adecent chance the console will be significantly more powerful then the HD twins, but we will have to wait until E3to know that.

super600

And why are you ignoring the other hardware claims by the other devs.:lol:

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]omg!! thanks Mr Grammar dudder, that's very helpful on a gaming forum. Significantly more powerful or not, it sure begins nicely with Darksiders II.

silversix_

And why are you ignoring the other hardware claims by the other devs.:lol:

Why don't we wait until June 5-7 th

My take on this is that by "on par", maybe he means it's not a typical generational step up from the current gen. It's almost certain it will be more powerful than current gen to some extent, similar to how the Wii is more powerful than last gen, which allowed them to go from standard def to 480p and some games at higher frame rates for example, but not a big step up. It could be that the Wii U version will run smoother and have better anti-aliasing or something.

Anyway, this sounds disappointing if I was only planning to get a Wii U, that is if his comments were not misleading. I'm not sure if I'll be getting one, not because of this interview, it's just that another superb Mario is all I could think of that could tempt me. I've always been more keen on what Sony and MS will have to offer later on when I'm closer to being ready for another system.

Sucks for the sheep who have to keep convincing themselves that better graphics mean absolutely nothing. But for those who don't lie to ourselves, we get very fun games with very deep gameplay and great (friend code-less) multiplayer and single player that also have great looking graphics.

[QUOTE="SoraX64"] Nintendo does not release the most powerful consoles. M8ingSeezun

Yes they did. Not significantly powerful, like in the case with GC vs XBOX, but nonetheless slightly more powerful than Genesis, PS1 and PS2.

Sorry, but Sora is 2/3 right. Nintendo may have released more powerful consoles in the past, but they never compared to other more powerful systems (NEO GEO and XBOX) that released in their respective eras, save for N64 but that is one exception.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

So... Simply put.

NextBox, PS4 and PC > Wii: U

Wii U is the same as a 5/6 Year old console.
Bravo Nintendo.. making money from old tech. :|

g0ddyX

Fisher-Price delivers again :lol: