Darksiders II Director: Wii U hardware "on par" with current gen

I'm personally a fan of modern Nintendo, the DS/Wii and 3DS/Wii U type of Nintendo. 50% of my library is Nintendo published stuff this gen, and the rest on Steam.

Indie gaming + modern Nintendo = my type of gaming.

But really this has nothing to do with sales talk. Wii U's power is a non factor to me, doesn't matter. However I maintain from a sales perspective that it won't merely be PS3 level, it doesn't make sense.

SuperFlakeman

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]OP's agenda is really convoluted.Giancar

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.

"If X and Y happens, then Z, and if so, A"

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

The 360 came out almost 7 years ago. The WiiU can't even play 360 ports in 1080?

So the Wii U is going to come out with like no games be more expensive and not have significantly better graphics then the 360? Lol! Sounds like the PS3 launch except this isn't 2006 this is 2012! Heck even in 2006 the PS3 could at least be used to play blurays, the WiiU won't even have that! :D

I don't understand the point you are making in this thread.

This information if true changes nothing for fans of Nintendo systems -- it'll still have 1st party Nintendo.

This debate is more related to sales, not our personal enjoyment. If this is indeed correct, the people who were predicting otherwise will eat crow and that's it. Why would anyone be "mad"?

SuperFlakeman

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.SuperFlakeman

I haven't seen that

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

SuperFlakeman

My point still stands he is a great poster with no "fanboy agenda" whatsoever. At least from what I've seen the last couple of years

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]OP's agenda is really convoluted.SuperFlakeman

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.

"If X and Y happens, then Z, and if so, A"

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

No one predicted the Vita would win the handheld war - especially after the sudden price drop of the 3DS, but even prior, due to the legacy of the DS. Likewise you in no way foresaw the 40-45% price drop, and pursuit of Capcom with hat of money in hand, that Nintendo decided was necessary. Ergo I have no idea why you act like you're some prophetic Nostradamus for saying the obvious.

And you're really not one to speak of agendas, given the things you post.

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.

"If X and Y happens, then Z, and if so, A"

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

SuperFlakeman

Logic suggests it has to be significantly better than 'on par' with the current generation. The time elapse between this gen launch and now is too great. Using relatively cheap parts is one thing, but going back in time6/7 years is something completely different. Two year old parts from the parts bin would be far more powerful then 360/PS3 and with considerably more RAM at their disposal the WiiU should be significantly more powerful, even if it isn't cutting edge. I don't see how it can be only 'on par'.

SUD123456

You mean, like most of them always have been since Donkey Kong in the Arcade? :o :roll:

nintendoboy16

I don't get what you are saying, it wasn't really a jab at nintendo, I was being factual there.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] Puppy talking about shinra having an agenda? :lol: You know we doesn't use the term casual to refer to the wii audience, when you use the term "dudebro" referring to the 360/ps3 audience like crazy. And that's just one example. Man when people talk **** about the few intelligent and great posters in SW it makes me laugh real hard, specially when you aren't misinformed and have debated with him more than a few times.shinrabanshou

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.

"If X and Y happens, then Z, and if so, A"

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

No one predicted the Vita would win the handheld war - especially after the sudden price drop of the 3DS, but even prior, due to the legacy of the DS. Likewise you in no way foresaw the 40-45% price drop, and pursuit of Capcom with hat of money in hand, that Nintendo decided was necessary. Ergo I have no idea why you act like you're some prophetic Nostradamus for saying the obvious.

And you're really not one to speak of agendas, given the things you post.

Shinra "Seems like PSV is stabilizing at 15k" eeeerrrrrrrr

me: "PSV will flop in the west too" ding ding ding

just recent memory

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.

"If X and Y happens, then Z, and if so, A"

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

JLF1MarkII

Long term impossible to tell, short term, 3DS it outselling DS, however DS enters beast mode when DS Lite releases and we will see Nintendo's answer to that this E3/TGS.

Apple can't win their marketshare, but they can shrink the handheld market.

Shinra "Seems like PSV is stabilizing at 15k" eeeerrrrrrrr

me: "PSV will flop in the west too" ding ding ding

just recent memory

SuperFlakeman

So then if you are God with this. Can you please tell us how powerful the Wiiu will be and how much third party support it will get?

Um, I'm a Nintendo fan and I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.

JLF1MarkII

Maybe that was badly put.

My point is: If you like Wii -- you'll most likely like Wii U whatever shape/form it takes, I think.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] Puppy talking about shinra having an agenda? :lol: You know we doesn't use the term casual to refer to the wii audience, when you use the term "dudebro" referring to the 360/ps3 audience like crazy. And that's just one example. Man when people talk **** about the few intelligent and great posters in SW it makes me laugh real hard, specially when you aren't misinformed and have debated with him more than a few times.shinrabanshou

Shinra's agenda has always been to find possibilities that result in Nintendo loosing marketshare.

"If X and Y happens, then Z, and if so, A"

Remember that I was the one who accurately predicted how the 8th gen handheld war would unfold, not Shinra.

No one predicted the Vita would win the handheld war - especially after the sudden price drop of the 3DS, but even prior, due to the legacy of the DS. Likewise you in no way foresaw the 40-45% price drop, and pursuit of Capcom with hat of money in hand, that Nintendo decided was necessary. Ergo I have no idea why you act like you're some prophetic Nostradamus for saying the obvious.

And you're really not one to speak of agendas, given the things you post.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Shinra "Seems like PSV is stabilizing at 15k" eeeerrrrrrrr

me: "PSV will flop in the west too" ding ding ding

just recent memory

JLF1MarkII

So then if you are God with this. Can you please tell us how powerful the Wiiu will be and how much third party support it will get?

So this is my take on Wii U:

Nintendo has clearly stated that they are interested in capturing the core/whatever you wanna call it. That's a key part of their next gen strategy and it makes sense, Nintendo can't depend on 1st party games from here on because of increased software development costs -- they need to grab 3rd parties and establish themselves as a hardcore platform alongside casual, if they want to maintain Wii-like success.

In order to do that, they need hardware on such a level that it is possible to receive next gen multiplats, and they can't do this with PS3 hardware, thus this is most likely false.

OP's agenda is really convoluted.

He think's that a) Wii U's controller doesn't have mass market appeal b) Wii U will be severely underpowered relative to expectations of an 8th gen console c) MS and Sony will use the same loss lead strategy as in the 7th gen in order to render Wii U incapable of receiving next gen multiplats.

This view is the most unlikely here because it requires 3 unrelated factors to align perfectly and it conflicts with what we know of the 8th gen: Nintendo's strategy is to recapture hardcore gamers, they openly say this but formulated differently.

SuperFlakeman

I don't think that tablet/touch based gaming has the same degree novelty, the wow factor, for a mass market audience that Nintendo managed to achieve with the Wii.

I think that the Wii U will be less powerful than the other two next gen consoles. Most people do.

I think that the loss leading strategy is still viable, and may be used to produce a more perceivable generational leap. That doesn't mean that Sony or MS will use them.

These are unrelated points - because they're unrelated points. They're my thoughts and musings. They may or may not eventuate.

You seem to be misconstruing them into some sort of grand conspiracy against the poor Wii U.

Shinra "Seems like PSV is stabilizing at 15k" eeeerrrrrrrr

me: "PSV will flop in the west too" ding ding ding

just recent memory

SuperFlakeman

It seems you've taken that discussion we had in the MC thread to heart for some reason; since you seem fixated on that comment I made.

You can't have missed the subsequent thread where I've stated I was wrong. Or the many many posts I've made about the PSV being in dire straights.

Presumably you'll take my comment about it stabilizing at 10K in the recent threads and throw it at me numerous times, if and when the PSV falls below 10K.

Congratulations.

I'm not sure what relevance this has to the current thread.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Very true, the next tactic would be to trash popular genres on other consoles as "dudebro" stuff as an attempt to belittle people that play them or the games themselves.

GD1551

true. This is another tactic Ive seen sheep do alot. They always make fun of games likeGears of WarandCall of Duty, like thats the only game on HD consoles, and all we care about is violence, and splosions....."brogamers" etc....They also conveniently leave out games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid, Dead Space, L.A. Noire, etc.....

If anything Nintendo franchises are MORE shallow than those games, as they are generally very simple games with very little plot development. Seriously, the mario games have all been the same game since Mario 64 (butwith an added gimmick each time). Lemme guess......I have to.......save the princess in the next one ;)

Most of nintendo's games are very shallow, the gameplay has very little depth to them. It isn't to the point they are automated, but they are extremely simplistic and basic.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

true. This is another tactic Ive seen sheep do alot. They always make fun of games likeGears of WarandCall of Duty, like thats the only game on HD consoles, and all we care about is violence, and splosions....."brogamers" etc....They also conveniently leave out games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid, Dead Space, L.A. Noire, etc.....

If anything Nintendo franchises are MORE shallow than those games, as they are generally very simple games with very little plot development. Seriously, the mario games have all been the same game since Mario 64 (butwith an added gimmick each time). Lemme guess......I have to.......save the princess in the next one ;)

Shinobishyguy

Most of nintendo's games are very shallow, the gameplay has very little depth to them. It isn't to the point they are automated, but they are extremely simplistic and basic.

I said MOST.... and I don't know anything about kid icarus uprising to confirm what you are saying anyway.

im confused hes porting an current gen game shouldnt be on par?

im confused hes porting an current gen game shouldnt be on par?

Mario1331

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It's a nintendo console. Who in their right mind honestly thought the main reason to get a Nintendo console weren't going to be Nintendo franchises?jg4xchamp

You think they changed their minds about grabbing the dudebro audience and are going for a $249 system again, letting MS and Sony get away with all the big 3rd party multiplats for themselves?

The way I see it, MS and Nintendo will meet halfway compared to last gen, meaning MS' nextbox will be a bit less powerful than expected and Wii U will be a bit more powerful than expected, based on my intuition. I can't see MS going for hardware that can run samaritan at 1080p 30 fps and enough juice to for graphically demanding games. I imagine that would be another $599 situation.

Then there's also the fact that N7 will release around 2018, which is 3-4 years into PS4/Xbox 3's lifespan.

It's a messy situation, I don't think you people have thought it through. I don't have any agenda to push here, I can personally go with those Zelda HD grapics for another 10 years, think SNES, many 16 bit 2D sidescrollers still look pleasing even next to Rayman Origins.

or the exact opposite will happen....devs arent going to wait till ms and sony release a console if the wiiu's selling well in that time gap.

neither do i think sony has the funds to make a beast console again xbox maybe

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

TheONLY reason Nintendo fans try so hard to distance themselves from graphics is because they dont have them, and they know they cant argue with Lems and Cows, so they distance themselves from it altogether.

Anybody ever notice that? How Nintendo fans try so hard to attach a negative connotation to the notion of having better hardware, as if more power = a bad thing?Last gen, all Nintendo fans ever talked about was graphics. Metroid Prime? Resident Evil? etc.

It is situations like this that go to show fanboys dont care about ANYTHING other than the label on the box. NOTHING more.

StrongDeadlift

Very true, the next tactic would be to trash popular genres on other consoles as "dudebro" stuff as an attempt to belittle people that play them or the games themselves.

true. This is another tactic Ive seen sheep do alot. They always make fun of games likeGears of WarandCall of Duty, like thats the only game on HD consoles, and all we care about is violence, and splosions....."brogamers" etc....They also conveniently leave out games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Metal Gear Solid, Dead Space, L.A. Noire, etc.....

If anything Nintendo franchises are MORE shallow than those games, as they are generally very simple games with very little plot development. Seriously, the mario games have all been the same game since Mario 64 (butwith an added gimmick each time). Lemme guess......I have to.......save the princess in the next one ;)

dude get off your high horse this is SYSTEM WARS everybody talks about everybody and every gamer talks about every game genre stop singling sheep out

I'm personally a fan of modern Nintendo, the DS/Wii and 3DS/Wii U type of Nintendo. 50% of my library is Nintendo published stuff this gen, and the rest on Steam.

Indie gaming + modern Nintendo = my type of gaming.

But really this has nothing to do with sales talk. Wii U's power is a non factor to me, doesn't matter. However I maintain from a sales perspective that it won't merely be PS3 level, it doesn't make sense.

SuperFlakeman

It doesn't really matter to me either but it should run games at 1080p with good AA and AF and smooth framerates. Sub HD resolutions with little to no AA and AF and sub 30 fps aren't acceptable for a next-gen console imo. The Wii could already fare a lot better in terms of 3rd party support and visuals if they made it alteast twice stronger than it was. Atleast you would be playing their games in HD and not jaggy and blurry 480p.

Look on the bright side sheep - you might get the most powerful console for a year :lol:

waltefmoney

you take this place way to seriously.....

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Look on the bright side sheep - you might get the most powerful console for a year :lol:

Mario1331

you take this place way to seriously.....

waltefmoney is pretty much Sony's defence police so he/she/it will do whatever it can to defend it and bash Nintendo uneccessarily. I remember when she/he almost sh!T her pants when the "tablet" patent for Sony rumor came out several weeks ago lmao

silversix at least makes good points and sh!ts on all 3 consoles if some stupid rumor is released for them

waltefmoney is pretty much Sony's defence policebabycakin

[QUOTE="babycakin"]waltefmoney is pretty much Sony's defence policerasengan2552

I thought walte was pretty neutral until the day he/she/it came to the defence of Sony with a boner lol. Defending the "tablet" left and right. Ahhhh got put into hush mode pretty quick :D

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Um, I'm a Nintendo fan and I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.

SuperFlakeman

Maybe that was badly put.

My point is: If you like Wii -- you'll most likely like Wii U whatever shape/form it takes, I think.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Um, I'm a Nintendo fan and I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.

JLF1MarkII

Maybe that was badly put.

My point is: If you like Wii -- you'll most likely like Wii U whatever shape/form it takes, I think.

couldn't agree more^

I hate the Wii so I'm expecting big things with Wii U

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="babycakin"]waltefmoney is pretty much Sony's defence policebabycakin

I thought walte was pretty neutral until the day he/she/it came to the defence of Sony with a boner lol. Defending the "tablet" left and right. Ahhhh got put into hush mode pretty quick :D

[QUOTE="babycakin"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] LMAOOOOOOOOOO what ???? that dude ? a sony fan ??? you haven't been here long enough ...rasengan2552

I thought walte was pretty neutral until the day he/she/it came to the defence of Sony with a boner lol. Defending the "tablet" left and right. Ahhhh got put into hush mode pretty quick :D

hell yeah lol

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Um, I'm a Nintendo fan and I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.

JLF1MarkII

Maybe that was badly put.

My point is: If you like Wii -- you'll most likely like Wii U whatever shape/form it takes, I think.

I can't see Nintendo get 90-100% of the PS3/360 type of library that will be prevalent on PS4/Xbox 3, regardless of power. Some developers just don't care about Nintendo systems. The point of Wii U is to get big hitters. Skyrim. CoD. Battlefield. GTA. MGS. FIFA. Madden. Not Catherine and such.

Depends on what franchises you are into I guess. I have to purchase a PS4 if MGS5 doesn't come to Wii U or PC. It's that simple for me really.

I honestly think Xbox and Ps successors will make Nintendo look bad again. But more importantly, everyone buy Darksiders 2! Poor THQ needs the support for this great game.

So wait, are you telling me that Nintendo is going to have crappy specs and another garbage gimmick that casuals will eat up for their next system? (hopefully it bombs this time)

Shocked..........completely shocked.

[QUOTE="babycakin"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] LMAOOOOOOOOOO what ???? that dude ? a sony fan ??? you haven't been here long enough ...rasengan2552

I thought walte was pretty neutral until the day he/she/it came to the defence of Sony with a boner lol. Defending the "tablet" left and right. Ahhhh got put into hush mode pretty quick :D

So wait, are you telling me that Nintendo is going to have crappy specs and another garbage gimmick that casuals will eat up for their next system? (hopefully it bombs this time)

Shocked..........completely shocked.

Fizzman

Crytek: "The specs are very good. It's a challenge for designers, but once thought through it can add value, and that's what's ultimately important. Our guys in Nottingham they are very happy with their tests on the dev kits and they're excited about it."

Valve:"Wii U seems to be a lot more powerful than the previous generation," he claimed. "It sort of fits better into the scalability in terms of graphics performance and CPU performance, so I think it'll be a lot easier for us to fit it into our scalability model."

THQ:"The Wii U is much more powerful than the other HD consoles, so Wii U doesn't have a huge problem doing 1080p for the majority of its games."

THQ: "Expect majority of third party Wii U games from most publishers to have true 1080p, additional content, and smoother framrates than what the PS3/360 versions offer."

So wait, are you telling me that Nintendo is going to have crappy specs and another garbage gimmick that casuals will eat up for their next system? (hopefully it bombs this time)

Shocked..........completely shocked.

Fizzman

The original XBOX is stronger then the Wii, it's no surprise that the WiiU wont have a lot of power

It's a weak console just like the Wii was a weak console, it's a gimmick device that has very little traction with the demographic that buys the newest versions of consoles on a regular basis.

Nintendo has been losing money since 2008 and the way the 3DS failed it's looking like soon they will be just making software for other companies

Jaysonguy

looooooooooool... imma just wait until e3kingjazziephiz

sheep after E3 :

"lets wait until launch, a lot can change from now till then".

sheep after E3 :

"lets wait until launch, a lot can change from now till then".

rasengan2552

sheep after E3 :

"lets wait until launch, a lot can change from now till then".

rasengan2552

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

So wait, are you telling me that Nintendo is going to have crappy specs and another garbage gimmick that casuals will eat up for their next system? (hopefully it bombs this time)

Shocked..........completely shocked.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Crytek: "The specs are very good. It's a challenge for designers, but once thought through it can add value, and that's what's ultimately important. Our guys in Nottingham they are very happy with their tests on the dev kits and they're excited about it."

Valve:"Wii U seems to be a lot more powerful than the previous generation," he claimed. "It sort of fits better into the scalability in terms of graphics performance and CPU performance, so I think it'll be a lot easier for us to fit it into our scalability model."

THQ:"The Wii U is much more powerful than the other HD consoles, so Wii U doesn't have a huge problem doing 1080p for the majority of its games."

THQ: "Expect majority of third party Wii U games from most publishers to have true 1080p, additional content, and smoother framrates than what the PS3/360 versions offer."

You forgot to add Loosing Ends: "The first Xbox has better graphics than Wii U" :D