destroying the myth ..... AW IS a linear game.

The game is linear but is that a bad thing? Diviniuz

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] No, you don't have to fight most of the enemies in the game, theres enough open areas in the woods you can see the guys in just go around them, and sprint for a lighted area. There wasn't tons of areas where they forced you to fight by bottlenecking your path into enemies. Thats what i mean by open, UC2, COD, put enemies directly in front of you 90% of the time and don't give you a way to try to circumvent figthing, unless you feel like playing red rover with gunsdesigner-

Friggen goof on here just gave away a big spoiler a few pages back.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]The game is linear but is that a bad thing? xsubtownerx

[QUOTE="designer-"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] No, you don't have to fight most of the enemies in the game, theres enough open areas in the woods you can see the guys in just go around them, and sprint for a lighted area. There wasn't tons of areas where they forced you to fight by bottlenecking your path into enemies. Thats what i mean by open, UC2, COD, put enemies directly in front of you 90% of the time and don't give you a way to try to circumvent figthing, unless you feel like playing red rover with gunssavagetwinkie

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

That is pretty cruel TC, the 360 gamers were really pushing this game as the best looking open world title but you just to go and step on their dreams, that goes double for the other thread that proves AW's graphics do not compare to the best on PS3.

the game is great.Leo-Magic

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[QUOTE="2mrw"] some trolls just need to be shut up for good ..... SW will be thanking me later ... lol .2mrw

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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Doesn't it make it a lesser game though. From what I've played so far it fuses excellent presentation and storytelling into some very competent gameplay.Anjunaddict

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]How are you not a troll going through all the trouble to look this select crap up? Sheesh.............

Friggen goof on here just gave away a big spoiler a few pages back.

vaderhater

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] Its a psychological thriller, not a horror.

Anjunaddict

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Come on, they did try for scares. The enemies only came out when it was pitch black, and they were black too. This is actually a complaint of mine, I wish they didn't warn the player and show us each and every time taken were coming for me.Chutebox

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] Its a game trying to create a cinematic experience. Remedy explained why the camera panned out when the taken were going to ambush you from behind. It was a cinematic design choice, same as why they added in the slow-motion sections when you would dodge an enemy or flare up. Honestly, I think if they didn't add that in, the game would have been too difficult. There were too many times to count where that saved my ass in the game. The taken come from behind too often.Anjunaddict

It's not as open as some believe, but it's also not a narrow path. A lot of the environments are quite open, allowing for some exploration. Though you still must enter and exit the area at certain points. The driving sections also allow for a little exploration.

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[QUOTE="2mrw"]

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large area with only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

SaltyMeatballs

I said in my very first statement - the main plot path is linear, but that the environments are subtantially open to offer a layer of free roaming off the main path to explore for collectibles, or maybe just to explore the scenery itself.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]The game is linear but is that a bad thing? xsubtownerx

Go back and look at ANY one of the graphics debates pre-relase. EVERY SINGLE LEMMING STATED AW WAS OPEN WORLD. And now that they've been owned we have threads like this popping up every day where all the lemmings gather to Damage Control.

A linear game is fine, in fact I generally avoid really open world games.

[spoiler] Right, I'd rather not drive 10 miles down a winding road to get to a coffee thermos, while my characters wife is sitting at the bottom of a lake. [/spoiler] Zero_epyon

please tell me you DID NOT spoil the entire game for me.

common knowledge?

there was a belief that it would be open-world because Remedy released a map of Bright Falls.

it's not on the level of linearity like Uncharted, Gears or Killzone. and it's definitely more free than Halo games.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Right, I'd rather not drive 10 miles down a winding road to get to a coffee thermos, while my characters wife is sitting at the bottom of a lake.LegatoSkyheart

please tell me you DID NOT spoil the entire game for me.

don't know if I should answer...might only make things worse:(

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Right, I'd rather not drive 10 miles down a winding road to get to a coffee thermos, while my characters wife is sitting at the bottom of a lake.LegatoSkyheart

please tell me you DID NOT spoil the entire game for me.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

please tell me you DID NOT spoil the entire game for me.

HavocV3

don't know if I should answer...might only make things worse:(

The Damage is already been freakin' Done. Heck I don't think I even want to get the Game now since I already know what freakin' happen.

For a Suspense game you really ruined it.

MASSIVE EDIT:

I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :PNinja-Hippo

sorry..once people read the title thread it's official :P

i haven't picked up the game yet,but it sounds like the storyline is on a linear path while the game takes place in a massive world.

I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :PNinja-Hippo

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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

theseekar

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large areawith only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

You have nothing of those, because you did not provide any links

Also i have videos, that show an open vast world in some levels

The game IS linear, but some of its levels are open and huge, fact is you need a radar to show the next objective or you would be lost

Also, look at what you just wrote, i wonder you only owned yourself

/me looks at original post /looks back at quote

it appears he provided enough proof to me.

@abobe and theseeker: I'm not quite sure you understand what 'linear gameplay' means. For example, I would consider final fantasy XIII extremely linear, despite having 2 or 3 gigantic open worlds to explore. FFXIII has different paths that lead from the main path for collectibles and such, and it even has sidequesting! Regardless, the game always pushes you in the same direction, and regardless of the environments that you can gawk at or the collectibles you can pick up, there is not much straying from the path. In comparison to other final fantasies, XIII is a very linear experience.

From what I've heard, open world is what alan wake was supposed to be. Those big open areas you speak of are actually supposed to be part of a vast open world that was supposed to be explorable back when the game was originally being developed for the PC. I've heard that instead of allowing you to explore those areas, they put up a bunch of barriers to keep you going on the same path/direction. Regardless how open or big the pathways are, I've heard from numerous credible sources that alan wake is a linear experience. That doesn't take away from the fact that it is still seen as an incredible game.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :Plawlessx

sorry..once people read the title thread it's official :P

i haven't picked up the game yet,but it sounds like the storyline is on a linear path while the game takes place in a massive world.

Oblivion can be linear if you stay only on the main quest...........

Still going on about this massive, open-world crap? I must have missed it all. I like to call it spacious linear paths because that is what the game consists of. And the parts where you can explore, you either find 1 manuscript page and a few thermoses, or you run into enemies. That was my experience.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :PChutebox

sorry..once people read the title thread it's official :P

i haven't picked up the game yet,but it sounds like the storyline is on a linear path while the game takes place in a massive world.

Yeah because there is nothing there which is what I have been telling seekar for a few days now.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :P2mrw

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :PChutebox

sorry..once people read the title thread it's official :P

i haven't picked up the game yet,but it sounds like the storyline is on a linear path while the game takes place in a massive world.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

That is pretty cruel TC, the 360 gamers were really pushing this game as the best looking open world title but you just to go and step on their dreams, that goes double for the other thread that proves AW's graphics do not compare to the best on PS3.

2mrw

You seem to want some sort of pat on the back for this thread. Maybe I'd think about giving you one (probably not though) if you'd shut up some pro-PS3 trolls as well. But I know you're not going to do that,

Also, I'd rather somebody who actually played the game debunk the myth.

That being said, it does seem pretty clear that Alan Wake is largely a linear experience (which seems to be the right decision). Not as linear as many of its contemporaries, and it seems to have it's open "moments", but it seems that nobody is going to mistake the world of Alan Wake with a true sandbox.

The thing is: the vast majority of games are linear. Even some of the most open-ended games have some linear qualities.

It's not linear. :| It involves very large, open areas rather than small, closed-in corridors. Ninja-Hippo

basically

linear makes it sound small and you cant go off path that is not the case

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

That is pretty cruel TC, the 360 gamers were really pushing this game as the best looking open world title but you just to go and step on their dreams, that goes double for the other thread that proves AW's graphics do not compare to the best on PS3.

GreySeal9

You seem to want some sort of pat on the back for this thread. Maybe I'd think about giving you one (probably not though) if you'd shut up some pro-PS3 trolls as well. But I know you're not going to do that,

Also, I'd rather somebody who actually played the game debunk the myth.

That being said, it does seem pretty clear that Alan Wake is largely a linear experience. Not as linear as many of its contemporaries, and it seems to have it's open "moments", but it seems that nobody is going to mistake the world of Alan Wake with a true sandbox.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's not linear. :| It involves very large, open areas rather than small, closed-in corridors. johnnyblazed88

basically

linear makes it sound small and you cant go off path that is not the case

Linear doesn't have to mean small. It also doesn't have to prevent one from going off the path. It has mostly do with limitations of the players autonomy. Alan Wake features far more limits than a game that is less linear such as a GTA game, RDR, Oblivion, etc.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] some trolls just need to be shut up for good ..... SW will be thanking me later ... lol .Ninja-Hippo

You seem to want some sort of pat on the back for this thread. Maybe I'd think about giving you one (probably not though) if you'd shut up some pro-PS3 trolls as well. But I know you're not going to do that,

Also, I'd rather somebody who actually played the game debunk the myth.

That being said, it does seem pretty clear that Alan Wake is largely a linear experience. Not as linear as many of its contemporaries, and it seems to have it's open "moments", but it seems that nobody is going to mistake the world of Alan Wake with a true sandbox.

The TC definitely wasn't the right person for this "debunking" job.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I think we can agree that this 'myth' has definitely not been destroyed... :PNinja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="2mrw"] so all that talking about "large spaces=/=open world" ..... the game is moving from Point A to Point B ......the only stuff you are going to find around is ammo and some files............. the game is 8-10 hr long (U2 is longer than this one :lol: ) ......... yeah, in ur mind the myth is still not destroyed "wink" .2mrw

Ninja-Hippo didn't say that the game was open world. He just said it runs on an open world engine.

Also, what would give you much more credibility than your sources is if you had actually played the game.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

That is pretty cruel TC, the 360 gamers were really pushing this game as the best looking open world title but you just to go and step on their dreams, that goes double for the other thread that proves AW's graphics do not compare to the best on PS3.

You seem to want some sort of pat on the back for this thread. Maybe I'd think about giving you one (probably not though) if you'd shut up some pro-PS3 trolls as well. But I know you're not going to do that,

Also, I'd rather somebody who actually played the game debunk the myth.

That being said, it does seem pretty clear that Alan Wake is largely a linear experience (which seems to be the right decision). Not as linear as many of its contemporaries, and it seems to have it's open "moments", but it seems that nobody is going to mistake the world of Alan Wake with a true sandbox.

The thing is: the vast majority of games are linear. Even some of the most open-ended games have some linear qualities.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] some trolls just need to be shut up for good ..... SW will be thanking me later ... lol .2mrw

You seem to want some sort of pat on the back for this thread. Maybe I'd think about giving you one (probably not though) if you'd shut up some pro-PS3 trolls as well. But I know you're not going to do that,

Also, I'd rather somebody who actually played the game debunk the myth.

That being said, it does seem pretty clear that Alan Wake is largely a linear experience (which seems to be the right decision). Not as linear as many of its contemporaries, and it seems to have it's open "moments", but it seems that nobody is going to mistake the world of Alan Wake with a true sandbox.

The thing is: the vast majority of games are linear. Even some of the most open-ended games have some linear qualities.

I only sort of agree with you and I don't think you're a troll at all (as trolls simply exist to get a rise out of people and you clearly don't do that). I just think that if you're going to congratulate yourself for shutting down fanboys, it shouldn't be so blatantly obvious that you'd only ever shut down the fanboys on the "opposing side".

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Your drawing at the start is where you've gone wrong. If you'd actually play the game you'll see that it's absolutely nothing like that. You're confusing large environments for sandbox environments. Just because you cant drive around Bright Falls any way you want at all times doesn't change the fact that they've constructed the whole town and surrounding landscape. Heck, the game runs on an open world engine! The environments are very large indeed, you just travel within them as the game allows you to for the benefit of the story. You seem to be trying to argue (based on the drawing) that it's a closed-in, linear world in the same style as Uncharted but that's just completely false. The spaces in which you travel and explore and pursue the story are all very large indeed, which you'd know if you'd play the game.GreySeal9

Ninja-Hippo didn't say that the game was open world. He just said it runs on an open world engine.

Also, what would give you much more credibility than your sources is if you had actually played the game.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You seem to want some sort of pat on the back for this thread. Maybe I'd think about giving you one (probably not though) if you'd shut up some pro-PS3 trolls as well. But I know you're not going to do that,

Also, I'd rather somebody who actually played the game debunk the myth.

That being said, it does seem pretty clear that Alan Wake is largely a linear experience (which seems to be the right decision). Not as linear as many of its contemporaries, and it seems to have it's open "moments", but it seems that nobody is going to mistake the world of Alan Wake with a true sandbox.

The thing is: the vast majority of games are linear. Even some of the most open-ended games have some linear qualities.

I only sort of agree with you and I don't think you're a troll at all (as trolls simply exist to get a rise out of people and you clearly don't do that). I just think that if you're going to congratulate yourself for shutting down fanboys, it shouldn't be so blatantly obvious that you'd only ever shut down the fanboys on the "opposing side".