Destructoid: And you wonder why developers 'hate' PC gamers.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] i have never heard that before. oh and i didn't suggest you should pay more, perhaps you think PC games should be free?

sts106mat

Don't be such a troll. PC games are cheaper because the development costs are tiny versus console development. Plus a high percentage of the console game cost goes to Sony/Microsoft.

As far as the devs are concerned the used game market is as damaging to them, they see no money from the sale, only the game retailers do.

Piracy will be just as bad if not worse on consoles before long.

Well publishers have to pay a license fee or royalties for having a game on a system, plus each game released must be okayed by MS, Sony or Nintendo.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] i have never heard that before. oh and i didn't suggest you should pay more, perhaps you think PC games should be free?

sts106mat

Don't be such a troll. PC games are cheaper because the development costs are tiny versus console development. Plus a high percentage of the console game cost goes to Sony/Microsoft.

As far as the devs are concerned the used game market is as damaging to them, they see no money from the sale, only the game retailers do.

Piracy will be just as bad if not worse on consoles before long.

you think ms and sony just give away dev kits? they just let any old person put a game on their system without license fees?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] i have never heard that before. oh and i didn't suggest you should pay more, perhaps you think PC games should be free?

sts106mat

Don't be such a troll. PC games are cheaper because the development costs are tiny versus console development. Plus a high percentage of the console game cost goes to Sony/Microsoft.

As far as the devs are concerned the used game market is as damaging to them, they see no money from the sale, only the game retailers do.

Piracy will be just as bad if not worse on consoles before long.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] i have never heard that before. oh and i didn't suggest you should pay more, perhaps you think PC games should be free?

tenaka2

Don't be such a troll. PC games are cheaper because the development costs are tiny versus console development. Plus a high percentage of the console game cost goes to Sony/Microsoft.

As far as the devs are concerned the used game market is as damaging to them, they see no money from the sale, only the game retailers do.

Piracy will be just as bad if not worse on consoles before long.

I doubt development costis much of a big thing for the X360 anymore.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Don't be such a troll. PC games are cheaper because the development costs are tiny versus console development. Plus a high percentage of the console game cost goes to Sony/Microsoft.

As far as the devs are concerned the used game market is as damaging to them, they see no money from the sale, only the game retailers do.

Piracy will be just as bad if not worse on consoles before long.

Firebird-5

you think ms and sony just give away dev kits? they just let any old person put a game on their system without license fees?

Now, this is what ticks me off. From a console sale, the publisher gets around 30% of the money.

The rest goes to shipping, packaging, retailer cut, ect...

But from a Digtal PC sale, they get 70% of the money, because steam/other services only takes 30%.

And now EA instead of making digital titles cheaper, they are making them 10$ more expensive.They get double the profit but they are making them more expensive...

Maximum milking and infinite greed.

i have never heard that before. oh and i didn't suggest you should pay more, perhaps you think PC games should be free?

sts106mat

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] i am not trolling, i genuinely have not heard that devs have to MS and sony. i have had a quick search and cant find any evidence of this either. as for the "pc gaming is for free" comment that was a joke. perhaps you should calm down a bit before you accuse people of trolling. GeneralShowzer

you think ms and sony just give away dev kits? they just let any old person put a game on their system without license fees?

im going to assume this isnt a reply to my post

I doubt development costis much of a big thing for the X360 anymore.

Darth_DuMas

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I doubt development costis much of a big thing for the X360 anymore.

AdrianWerner

But why, the technology isn't new anymore? Devs said the 360 wasn't that difficult to develop with to begin with, were's all the extra money going?

Yeah because piracy doesnt exist on consoles. Its funny then how Bulletstorm was available to download and play a week BEFORE the PC version and a week before the game was even released officially for any platform...

May aswell stop supporting the console too then!

Its not like Crysis sold bad... on the contrary, its sold better than Killzone for that matterLookAnDrolL

Damn straight Jim. PC: It only does piracy.ZippySlappy

Ok, let's analyze this whole article... What caused this infinite rage and hate towards PC gamers?

The Crysis 2 beta leak. Whose fault is that it was leaked?

-The Crytek/EA guy that leaked it.

Did many people download the leaked beta?

http://torrentfreak.com/crysis-2-leak-fails-to-result-in-massive-download-fest-110213/

No...

Was Killzone 3 and Bulletstorm PS3/360 also leaked?

-Yep..

Destructioid is a waste of internet.

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]Its not like Crysis sold bad... on the contrary, its sold better than Killzone for that matterexiledsnake

There are more PC than PS3 (obviously) but at the time of release how many PC capable of running Crysis were? In 2007 I don't remember any of my friends who could play it. This was not a problem Killzone had.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]Its not like Crysis sold bad... on the contrary, its sold better than Killzone for that matteredidili

There are more PC than PS3 (obviously) but at the time of release how many PC capable of running Crysis were? In 2007 I don't remember any of my friends who could play it. This was not a problem Killzone had.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"] No offense but that's a really bad comparison. As the number of PCs and PS3s out there are hardly the same amount. I bet Crysis has been pirated more times than the total sales of Crysis and Killzone combined.exiledsnake

There are more PC than PS3 (obviously) but at the time of release how many PC capable of running Crysis were? In 2007 I don't remember any of my friends who could play it. This was not a problem Killzone had.

and now it sold. This is a strength of PC. Games keep on selling even after 10 years. Let's face it, 3.5 million copies is more than fine for an exclusive fps which lacked a good multiplayer.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="edidili"]

There are more PC than PS3 (obviously) but at the time of release how many PC capable of running Crysis were? In 2007 I don't remember any of my friends who could play it. This was not a problem Killzone had.

edidili

and now it sold. This is a strength of PC. Games keep on selling even after 10 years. Let's face it, 3.5 million copies is more than fine for an exclusive fps which lacked a good multiplayer.

] The royalty fee is 10$GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I doubt development costis much of a big thing for the X360 anymore.

Darth_DuMas

But why, the technology isn't new anymore? Devs said the 360 wasn't that difficult to develop with to begin with, were's all the extra money going?

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="edidili"]

and now it sold. This is a strength of PC. Games keep on selling even after 10 years. Let's face it, 3.5 million copies is more than fine for an exclusive fps which lacked a good multiplayer.

sts106mat

MOST PIRATED GAMES 2010

PC Games:

1 Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000)

2 Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000)

3 Mafia 2 (3,550,000)

4 Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000)

5 Starcraft II (3,120,000)

Wii Games:

1 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000)

2 Wii Party (1,220,000)

3 Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000)

4 Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000)

5 Red Steel 2 (850,000)

Xbox 360 Games:

1 Dante's Inferno (1,280,000)

2 Alan Wake (1,140,000)

3 Red Dead Redemption (1,060,000)

4 Halo Reach (990,000)

5 Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000)

PC = 4x the piracy level, you can see why they get the hate, but all pirates are bad news .

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="edidili"]

There are more PC than PS3 (obviously) but at the time of release how many PC capable of running Crysis were? In 2007 I don't remember any of my friends who could play it. This was not a problem Killzone had.

edidili

and now it sold. This is a strength of PC. Games keep on selling even after 10 years. Let's face it, 3.5 million copies is more than fine for an exclusive fps which lacked a good multiplayer.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="edidili"]

and now it sold. This is a strength of PC. Games keep on selling even after 10 years. Let's face it, 3.5 million copies is more than fine for an exclusive fps which lacked a good multiplayer.

sts106mat

MOST PIRATED GAMES 2010

PC Games:

1 Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000)

2 Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000)

3 Mafia 2 (3,550,000)

4 Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000)

5 Starcraft II (3,120,000)

Wii Games:

1 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000)

2 Wii Party (1,220,000)

3 Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000)

4 Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000)

5 Red Steel 2 (850,000)

Xbox 360 Games:

1 Dante's Inferno (1,280,000)

2 Alan Wake (1,140,000)

3 Red Dead Redemption (1,060,000)

4 Halo Reach (990,000)

5 Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000)

PC = 4x the piracy level, you can see why they get the hate, but all pirates are bad news .

MOST PIRATED GAMES 2010

PC Games:

1 Call of Duty: Black Ops (4,270,000)

2 Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3,960,000)

3 Mafia 2 (3,550,000)

4 Mass Effect 2 (3,240,000)

5 Starcraft II (3,120,000)

Wii Games:

1 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000)

2 Wii Party (1,220,000)

3 Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000)

4 Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000)

5 Red Steel 2 (850,000)

Xbox 360 Games:

1 Dante's Inferno (1,280,000)

2 Alan Wake (1,140,000)

3 Red Dead Redemption (1,060,000)

4 Halo Reach (990,000)

5 Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000)

PC = 4x the piracy level, you can see why they get the hate, but all pirates are bad news .

sts106mat

Learn to read.

It's most "downloaded through torrent" games of 2010.

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]Its not like Crysis sold bad... on the contrary, its sold better than Killzone for that matterexiledsnake

And what has that to do with anything? Does it negate the fact that Crysis indeed sold more?

"Oh look, it's this again". :roll: I'm still waiting for all the consolites to hop on the PC gaming ship once motion controls kill console gaming. :) It's just a matter of time. By the way, how is Kinect? :lol:DreamCryotank

[QUOTE="DreamCryotank"]"Oh look, it's this again". :roll: I'm still waiting for all the consolites to hop on the PC gaming ship once motion controls kill console gaming. :) It's just a matter of time. By the way, how is Kinect? :lol:SkyWard20

Who is this blithering fool? Does he have any credence in the industry? NOPE.

People pirate console games, too.

Destructoid: Bawww.

Developers don't inherently hate PC gamers, there's just a larger console audience now. And even with piracy rates on every platform, it still makes sense to port games to them as long as expected sales make up for the cost of porting/development.

Piracy shouldn't factor in there at all, because there's no way to accurately estimate how much money has been lost because of it. Actual revenue can be determined, so companies (and blogs) should stop moaning about it and focus their energy where it's useful.

People pirate console games, too.

Destructoid: Bawww.

Developers don't inherently hate PC gamers, there's just a larger console audience now. And even with piracy rates on every platform, it still makes sense to port games to them as long as expected sales make up for the cost of porting/development.

Piracy shouldn't factor in there at all, because there's no way to accurately estimate how much money has been lost because of it. Actual revenue can be determined, so companies (and blogs) should stop moaning about it and focus their energy where it's useful.

DJ_Lae

That doesn't mean economists can't make some pretty accurate estimates.SkyWard20

Piracy is pathetic, but do devs need to pull support of PC gaming altogether for it. Console games have their fair share of piracy issues too, along with used games. It doesn't surpise me at all who wrote this, either.

Upparoom

The thing with used games is at least the game was bought legit once, so companies still got a profit from it and they still get a profit from the stores who sell used games cause if you like it or not places like gamestop sell games a lot more than your local walmart or target. With pirating they get the game once from a friend or rent it.....bam next thing it's on the net ready to be copied by anyone.

As for used games.....do you think Ford and all the other car/truck companies get butt hurt when people get a used car from a used car dealer? (answer is no).

As for used games.....do you think Ford and all the other car/truck companies get butt hurt when people get a used car from a used car dealer? (answer is no).

Ballroompirate

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"] And now in 2011? Even laptops now can play it on(at least) low settings. exiledsnake

and now it sold. This is a strength of PC. Games keep on selling even after 10 years. Let's face it, 3.5 million copies is more than fine for an exclusive fps which lacked a good multiplayer.

ITT: Pirates trying to discredit the author.

People still take Destructoid seriously?

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

Yep, because all PC gamers are filthy pirates. :roll:

Zorgax

actually, most of you are. :|

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

Yep, because all PC gamers are filthy pirates. :roll:

Deadbeatcobra

actually, most of you are. :|

Sounds like something a pirate would say...

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

Yep, because all PC gamers are filthy pirates. :roll:

Deadbeatcobra

actually, most of you are. :|

not really, no.

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

Yep, because all PC gamers are filthy pirates. :roll:

killzonexbox

[QUOTE="killzonexbox"]

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

Yep, because all PC gamers are filthy pirates. :roll:

Ontain

Lol, I love Jim Sterling, he's like a professional troll.

[QUOTE="agpickle"]

Yep, because all PC gamers are filthy pirates. :roll:

killzonexbox

Sounds like something a pirate would say...

ImaPirate0202

"He's not hellbent so it's mandatory he's a pirate"?

Sounds like something an ignorant would say. There's a thing called "spectrum", very few things in the world are either black or white. And this isn't one of them.