Destructoid: Sony needs to just Shut The "F" Up (Great Article!)

Hey guys, as usual, just passing on info, so dont shoot the messenger!! :P I agree with the article, but i think it needs to be a little less "ranty" :lol: But intriguing nonetheless. What do you guys think??

"I'm a Sony basher, but it's only because I don't hate the PS3, not because I do. The simple fact of the matter is this: Sony needs to STFU, because the constantly flapping mouths of the platform holder's PR department is the single biggest problem the PlayStation 3 has.

For the past three years, Sony has conducted itself with an arrogance and smugness that it simply doesn't deserve. We should have been clued in to just how bad Sony's mouth was going to **** the PlayStation 3 when it dragged forth its notoriously awful 2006 E3 press conference. The one where Kaz Hirai shouted "RIIIIIDGE RACER," to a silent audience, and announced the PS3 price point of "599 US Dollars" as if he were doing the world a favor. Before the PlayStation 3 was even given life, Sony had managed to make it memorable for a series of running jokes more than anything else."Destructoid

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I read the article and it sound about right.

It always cracks me up the amount of smack talk Sony does this gen considering they are last in everything.

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

Edit: The writer is full of BS. He criticizes Sony for "laughing" at Activision, which they did not do. What Sony did do, thanks to the quote, was communicate that they're not in a position where they can afford to lower the price of the PS3. Is it really so arrogant to say "no?" Activision is not the boss of Sony and Sony needs to make decisions that will keep them in the gaming business, not hurt their gaming endeavors.

Both Sony and MS have said that they wanted to prolong their systems to 10 years. There is a reason why MS tagged along. The writer claims that gaming is a rapidly growing industry and Sony will need to keep up. What's growing is the skyrocketting development costs that will increase with the next gen. Development costs that are already proving deadly (one failed game can shut your team down). MS could have told Sony that MS would pass them up while Sonys stayed behind. But they didn't. That's because its not really reasonable to end this gen as soon as previous gens had ended.

Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

hakanakumono

You readin that cows?ieatnoobs18

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

Danm_999

No, Nintendo says far stupider things. Nintendo doesn't want competent online because "people get their feelings hurt." Nintendo also says that they have to "tease" their fans with hardcore games because "if we give them what they want they'll just want more."

MS, is well, cocky. But they're the least of the 3 evils.

That's one of the most biased articles I have ever seen... Talk about taking things out of context

"He certainly likes to make a lot of noise," was Stringer's blasé response. "I lose money on every PlayStation I make."destructoid

I think I speak for everyone when I say "shut the hell up, all three companies, and just make us games."pyromaniac223

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

hakanakumono

No, Nintendo says far stupider things. Nintendo doesn't want competent online because "people get their feelings hurt." Nintendo also says that they have to "tease" their fans with hardcore games because "if we give them what they want they'll just want more."

MS, is well, cocky. But they're the least of the 3 evils.

Isint this the same dude who bashed trophies. Yea I rather get kicked in the balls then read anything from this idiot. This man also makes me lose any respect for gaming journalist and makes me think a monkey could do a better job.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I think I speak for everyone when I say "shut the hell up, all three companies, and just make us games."navstar29

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

hakanakumono

No, Nintendo says far stupider things. Nintendo doesn't want competent online because "people get their feelings hurt." Nintendo also says that they have to "tease" their fans with hardcore games because "if we give them what they want they'll just want more."

MS, is well, cocky. But they're the least of the 3 evils.

Pretty good ones there, but I'd still have to say Sony has the biggest mouth, if only because there always seems to be a terribad Sony quote of the month, and talkin' trash while dead last just looks bad.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I think I speak for everyone when I say "shut the hell up, all three companies, and just make us games."navstar29

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

hakanakumono

No, Nintendo says far stupider things. Nintendo doesn't want competent online because "people get their feelings hurt." Nintendo also says that they have to "tease" their fans with hardcore games because "if we give them what they want they'll just want more."

MS, is well, cocky. But they're the least of the 3 evils.

2 things i have to disagree with about this article. 1 sony has every right to respond to activision's CEO threat cause we all know it was all a bluff and sony just wanted to call it. sony would loss money on every single ps3 sold so they have every right to keep their price at what it is considering the value behind the PS3. also sony doesn't need activision as much activison needs sony. looking back to 08 EA and konami's biggest revenue makers were the PS3 and if activison were to leave the PS3, PS2, and PSP that would be a big loss in revenue. no matter what their CEO wants to think their titles are still making a profit on the PS3. As much as 360? no but why the hell would they leave money on the table and also lets what the board of directer would say to kotick if they realise that their overall revenue is down and see all potential money that can made on PS3. While lossing activisoin would no doubt hurt sony they can still continue on with the vast amount of first party titles they have coming up. 2. also that knock against sony saying "10 year life cycle" is unfounded as sony has continually backed this up with the PSone, PS2, and PSP. look at teh PS2 that is finally dieing now, it still had great titles coming out even with teh PS3 came out. Better yet look at the PSP, even though many people claim it's "dead" sony still manages to make great titles for it like patapon and further more they get big 3rd party publisher to make games like Square enix with dissida, or konami with MGS Peacewalker, and even ubisoft with assasins creed blood line. i do agree with this guys assement of sony's marketing of the PS3 which is godawful and the stupid rumble is last gen quote

Isint this the same dude who bashed trophies. Yea I rather get kicked in the balls then read anything from this idiot. This man also makes me lose any respect for gaming journalist and makes me think a monkey could do a better job.

finalfantasy94

[QUOTE="navstar29"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]I think I speak for everyone when I say "shut the hell up, all three companies, and just make us games."Couth_

2 things i have to disagree with about this article. 1 sony has every right to respond to activision's CEO threat cause we all know it was all a bluff and sony just wanted to call it. sony would loss money on every single ps3 sold so they have every right to keep their price at what it is considering the value behind the PS3. also sony doesn't need activision as much activison needs sony. looking back to 08 EA and konami's biggest revenue makers were the PS3 and if activison were to leave the PS3, PS2, and PSP that would be a big loss in revenue. no matter what their CEO wants to think their titles are still making a profit on the PS3. As much as 360? no but why the hell would they leave money on the table and also lets what the board of directer would say to kotick if they realise that their overall revenue is down and see all potential money that can made on PS3. While lossing activisoin would no doubt hurt sony they can still continue on with the vast amount of first party titles they have coming up. 2. also that knock against sony saying "10 year life cycle" is unfounded as sony has continually backed this up with the PSone, PS2, and PSP. look at teh PS2 that is finally dieing now, it still had great titles coming out even with teh PS3 came out. Better yet look at the PSP, even though many people claim it's "dead" sony still manages to make great titles for it like patapon and further more they get big 3rd party publisher to make games like Square enix with dissida, or konami with MGS Peacewalker, and even ubisoft with assasins creed blood line. i do agree with this guys assement of sony's marketing of the PS3 which is godawful and the stupid rumble is last gen quote

Ragashahs

I find funny how Sony even in last place is still being the center of attention.There are people BEGGING for price cut. BEGGING for its Exclusives. And rant that sound like cryes from other fanboys.

Every last conpany bash Sony for ridiculous things. It still is the most pound-for-buck console and the one that most impresses the critics from 2008 to today.

Sony hold the best exclusives avaible today and the best line-up for the future. It's first party effort is the only thing we seeing that is really groundbreanking and impresssive.

I would say people are jealous of the quality the ps3 can deliver.

The ones that should shut up are Microsft and Nintendo that directly bash Sony , like the Forza team talkiing smacking about GT5 while milking their game each year with mediocrity, or microsoft even they bashing the PSN for being free, something the Live should have been to begin with.

And Microsoft and Nintendo saying the "ps3 wand is like the wiimote". (HAHA... lol.... that straight out lying of pure delusion on nintendo part...)

I can garantee most of fanboys are only waiting for a Ps3 price cut so they can buy, it is on their secret wish list. And they dont buy it now not because they dont think it is worth it, but because if they buy it now they will be admiting their mistake of buying the lesser consoles.

I find funny how Sony even in last place is still being the center of attention.There are people BEGGING for price cut. BEGGING for its Exclusives. And rant that sound like cryes from other fanboys.

Every last conpany bash Sony for ridiculous things. It still is the most pound-for-buck console and the one that most impresses the critics from 2008 to today.

Sony hold the best exclusives avaible today and the best line-up for the future. It's first party effort is the only thing we seeing that is really groundbreanking and impresssive.

I would say people are jealous of the quality the ps3 can deliver.

The ones that should shut up are Microsft and Nintendo that directly bash Sony , like the Forza team talkiing smacking about GT5 while milking their game each year with mediocrity, or microsoft even they bashing the PSN for being free, something the Live should have been to begin with.

And Microsoft and Nintendo saying the "ps3 wand is like the wiimote". (HAHA... lol.... that straight out lying of pure delusion of nintendo part...)

I can garantee most of fanboys are only waiting for a Ps3 price cut so they can buy, it is on their secret wish list. And they dont buy it now not because they dont think it is worth it, but because if they buy it now they will be admiting their mistake of buying the lesser consoles.

ropumar

I think I speak for everyone when I say "shut the hell up, all three companies, and just make us games."pyromaniac223

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Isint this the same dude who bashed trophies. Yea I rather get kicked in the balls then read anything from this idiot. This man also makes me lose any respect for gaming journalist and makes me think a monkey could do a better job.

gmc2u_64

Im sorry but thats how bad he is and how much i despise him. He has no journalistic talent. Hes just some idiot who got lucky. Then again theres viruses in ever job field so I guess he fits in some catogory.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

2 things i have to disagree with about this article. 1 sony has every right to respond to activision's CEO threat cause we all know it was all a bluff and sony just wanted to call it. sony would loss money on every single ps3 sold so they have every right to keep their price at what it is considering the value behind the PS3. also sony doesn't need activision as much activison needs sony. looking back to 08 EA and konami's biggest revenue makers were the PS3 and if activison were to leave the PS3, PS2, and PSP that would be a big loss in revenue. no matter what their CEO wants to think their titles are still making a profit on the PS3. As much as 360? no but why the hell would they leave money on the table and also lets what the board of directer would say to kotick if they realise that their overall revenue is down and see all potential money that can made on PS3. While lossing activisoin would no doubt hurt sony they can still continue on with the vast amount of first party titles they have coming up. 2. also that knock against sony saying "10 year life cycle" is unfounded as sony has continually backed this up with the PSone, PS2, and PSP. look at teh PS2 that is finally dieing now, it still had great titles coming out even with teh PS3 came out. Better yet look at the PSP, even though many people claim it's "dead" sony still manages to make great titles for it like patapon and further more they get big 3rd party publisher to make games like Square enix with dissida, or konami with MGS Peacewalker, and even ubisoft with assasins creed blood line. i do agree with this guys assement of sony's marketing of the PS3 which is godawful and the stupid rumble is last gen quote

Danm_999

Sony PR is there to hype its console.

Sony PR might be insane and bold,completely overhype everything, but I like way more than the pretensious that Nintendo is and the unethical Microsoft is.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Isint this the same dude who bashed trophies. Yea I rather get kicked in the balls then read anything from this idiot. This man also makes me lose any respect for gaming journalist and makes me think a monkey could do a better job.

finalfantasy94

Im sorry but thats how bad he is and how much i despise him. He has no journalistic talent. Hes just some idiot who got lucky. Then again theres viruses in ever job field so I guess he fits in some catogory.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

2 things i have to disagree with about this article. 1 sony has every right to respond to activision's CEO threat cause we all know it was all a bluff and sony just wanted to call it. sony would loss money on every single ps3 sold so they have every right to keep their price at what it is considering the value behind the PS3. also sony doesn't need activision as much activison needs sony. looking back to 08 EA and konami's biggest revenue makers were the PS3 and if activison were to leave the PS3, PS2, and PSP that would be a big loss in revenue. no matter what their CEO wants to think their titles are still making a profit on the PS3. As much as 360? no but why the hell would they leave money on the table and also lets what the board of directer would say to kotick if they realise that their overall revenue is down and see all potential money that can made on PS3. While lossing activisoin would no doubt hurt sony they can still continue on with the vast amount of first party titles they have coming up. 2. also that knock against sony saying "10 year life cycle" is unfounded as sony has continually backed this up with the PSone, PS2, and PSP. look at teh PS2 that is finally dieing now, it still had great titles coming out even with teh PS3 came out. Better yet look at the PSP, even though many people claim it's "dead" sony still manages to make great titles for it like patapon and further more they get big 3rd party publisher to make games like Square enix with dissida, or konami with MGS Peacewalker, and even ubisoft with assasins creed blood line. i do agree with this guys assement of sony's marketing of the PS3 which is godawful and the stupid rumble is last gen quote

Ragashahs

Activision: "If you don't cut down the price of the PS3 we won't produce games for your system."

Sony: "We can't afford to cut the price of the PS3."

Yeah, Sony is totally out of line. :roll: The arrogance! They should sacrifice their position in the gaming market before spit shining Activision's boots, right?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Couth_"]What exactly do you expect them to say? Every corporation has PR. They are a business. And they are in the business of selling their products to people who aren't necessarily listening. The objective of the game is to make as much noise as possible. That creates buzz for your productCouth_

The original statement they made was good (if I remember, something about Sony enjoying good relationships with all publishers and wanting to grow on platforms).

Stringer then said (and yes, the author cut it up to increase its impact, it was followed by a statement saying its the nature of the business) he likes to make a lot of noise.

That is textbook antagonistic. I applaud the first statement Sony made. I cannot understand the second.

Activision: "If you don't cut down the price of the PS3 we won't produce games for your system."

Sony: "We can't afford to cut the price of the PS3."

Yeah, Sony is totally out of line. :roll: The arrogance! They should sacrifice their position in the gaming market before spit shining Activision's boots, right?

hakanakumono

As much as I love my PS3, this guy's right. I literally started laughing when I read about Howard Stringer's response to Bobby Kotick. Sure, Activision's probably bluffing, but no matter which way you look at it, that's a terrible PR choice. As big as Sony's internal studios get, they really can't afford to lose any support. I understand the rut that Sony is in with the pricepoint of the PS3, but there are better ways to make a response instead of insulting people.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] It's not necessarily about whether or not Sony has the right to respond, it's about IF they should respond and HOW they should respond.Danm_999

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]...dude that's WAY too harsh.

gmc2u_64

Im sorry but thats how bad he is and how much i despise him. He has no journalistic talent. Hes just some idiot who got lucky. Then again theres viruses in ever job field so I guess he fits in some catogory.

Actually yea I can. After reading one of his articals it just has to be true. Also why are protecting him? I mean you dont know him. Point is you cant change what I think about him.

sony messed up stop deying it

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]activison CEO makes as threat to sony we know he will not carry out and was said in a rude way. other company have also shared their concerns about PS3 price point but they do it in a respectful manner and don't issue threats. sony's CEO responds in the same tone the kotick did but now sony needs to STFU? don't bark at someone and not expect to bark back

Ragashahs

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Couth_"]What exactly do you expect them to say? Every corporation has PR. They are a business. And they are in the business of selling their products to people who aren't necessarily listening. The objective of the game is to make as much noise as possible. That creates buzz for your productCouth_

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

sony messed up stop deying it

mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

2 things i have to disagree with about this article. 1 sony has every right to respond to activision's CEO threat cause we all know it was all a bluff and sony just wanted to call it. sony would loss money on every single ps3 sold so they have every right to keep their price at what it is considering the value behind the PS3. also sony doesn't need activision as much activison needs sony. looking back to 08 EA and konami's biggest revenue makers were the PS3 and if activison were to leave the PS3, PS2, and PSP that would be a big loss in revenue. no matter what their CEO wants to think their titles are still making a profit on the PS3. As much as 360? no but why the hell would they leave money on the table and also lets what the board of directer would say to kotick if they realise that their overall revenue is down and see all potential money that can made on PS3. While lossing activisoin would no doubt hurt sony they can still continue on with the vast amount of first party titles they have coming up. 2. also that knock against sony saying "10 year life cycle" is unfounded as sony has continually backed this up with the PSone, PS2, and PSP. look at teh PS2 that is finally dieing now, it still had great titles coming out even with teh PS3 came out. Better yet look at the PSP, even though many people claim it's "dead" sony still manages to make great titles for it like patapon and further more they get big 3rd party publisher to make games like Square enix with dissida, or konami with MGS Peacewalker, and even ubisoft with assasins creed blood line. i do agree with this guys assement of sony's marketing of the PS3 which is godawful and the stupid rumble is last gen quote

Ragashahs

Activision was not rude, sony was. See my post above... (the article is on Gamespot, by the way.)

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Again, I'm not arguing Sony didn't have the right to respond to Activision. They did. I'm arguing (as is the author of the article) antagonising Activision was a really stupid move. Console manufacturers need publishers. Sony's list of third party allies gets shorter all the time (Valve, EA with Red Alert 3). Antagonising the ones left to maintain an image of macho masculinity makes little to no sense outside a wrestling ring.Danm_999

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Activision: "If you don't cut down the price of the PS3 we won't produce games for your system."

Sony: "We can't afford to cut the price of the PS3."

Yeah, Sony is totally out of line. :roll: The arrogance! They should sacrifice their position in the gaming market before spit shining Activision's boots, right?

Danm_999

"He likes to make a lot of noise," Stringer said, when asked about the comments. "He's putting pressure on me and I'm putting pressure on him. That's the nature of business."

"Asked about the logic of not cutting prices, Stringer said, "I (would) lose money on every PlayStation I make - how's that for logic."

Sony acknowledges that Activision is making a big threat, but doesn't seem to be worried about it. Their response to Activision is that they can't afford to cut the price of the PS3. My "recreation" was an accurate summary. What's more, there's nothing wrong with either of the above statements. Sony isn't going to let Activision bully them into making bad business decisions.

Edit: Actually, I don't think its appropriate to refer to these statements as responses towards Activision because really they're just responses to questions in an interview over the subject. Activision threatened Sony and Sony was asked about it. Sony recognizes the threats by Activision, but cannot cut the price of the PS3.

There's nothing wrong with what Sony said. But it doesn't matter, because no matter what Sony says, Sony is going to be criticized for whatever they say.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]activison CEO makes as threat to sony we know he will not carry out and was said in a rude way. other company have also shared their concerns about PS3 price point but they do it in a respectful manner and don't issue threats. sony's CEO responds in the same tone the kotick did but now sony needs to STFU? don't bark at someone and not expect to bark back

Ragashahs

Only they know if it is stupid or a sound business move. We can only speculate.