Destructoid: Sony needs to just Shut The "F" Up (Great Article!)

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]again how does this not work in reverse? was is it not stupid for kotick to threaten publishing PS3 titles if no price cut happen when activison still makes a lot of profit on the PS3? i don't see how you can say sony is stupid and let kotick off the hook if sony is stupid so is activison's CEO in which case both need to "STFU"

Ragashahs

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] You expect them not to antagonise Activision. That's the point of the article. Yes, PR is about making lots of noise, getting your name out there and endearing yourself to consumers. It's not about making snide comments to the world's third largest publisher. TBoogy

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] You expect them not to antagonise Activision. That's the point of the article. Yes, PR is about making lots of noise, getting your name out there and endearing yourself to consumers. It's not about making snide comments to the world's third largest publisher. TBoogy

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

Sony didn't antagonize anyone.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] It was incredibly stupid for him to do that, I'm not letting Kotick off the hook. That doesn't exonerate Sony somehow, you're supposed to rise above this sort of behaviour.Danm_999

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"] They did not antagonize activision, as I pointed out in an earlier post.. The writer of this article cleverly rearranged Sony's statement. Which is bias journalism at it's finest. If you read Sony's original response you would see that.Couth_

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

The opposite?!? How?

If I voice a legitimate concern, and you respond to my concern by telling the press I am just "making a lot of noise", i'd be pissed.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"] They did not antagonize activision, as I pointed out in an earlier post.. The writer of this article cleverly rearranged Sony's statement. Which is bias journalism at it's finest. If you read Sony's original response you would see that.hakanakumono

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

Sony didn't antagonize anyone.

Saying "he likes to make a lot of noise" would be considered antagonizing to most. Hell, I would go throught with it (stopping development) just because he is insinuating I would not do it. That is the author of this articles point. Sony is not in a position to call out anyone, and can't afford to lose anyone as big as Activision.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

TBoogy

The opposite?!? How?

If I voice a legitimate concern, and you respond to my concern by telling the press I am just "making a lot of noise", i'd be pissed.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

TBoogy

The opposite?!? How?

If I voice a legitimate concern, and you respond to my concern by telling the press I am just "making a lot of noise", i'd be pissed.

Activision wasn't "voicing a concern," they were threatening Sony and Sony recognized that they were threatening them. Activision did "make a lot of noise." They threatened to pull support from the PS3, and that created a lot of "noise." When Sony says "noise" they're referring to all of the talk that the threat has ignited. Blogs. Web articles. Forums. Magazines. The reason why we're talking about this now is because Activision wanted to create this kind of reaction, because it increases the pressure on Sony to cut the price of the PS3.

Activision is trying to bully Sony.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"] They did not antagonize activision, as I pointed out in an earlier post.. The writer of this article cleverly rearranged Sony's statement. Which is bias journalism at it's finest. If you read Sony's original response you would see that.Couth_

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]"he likes to make a lot of noise" is not antagonizing. It could even be considered the oppositeCouth_

The opposite?!? How?

If I voice a legitimate concern, and you respond to my concern by telling the press I am just "making a lot of noise", i'd be pissed.

The articles I have read on the story did not seem to take Activisions words as a blind threat. Maybe some Sony fanboys did, but there was no need to. They nicely said that IF Sony didnt get the price down, in a couple of YEARS they MAY have to drop support. And they even gave a reason why (attach rates).

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"] They did not antagonize activision, as I pointed out in an earlier post.. The writer of this article cleverly rearranged Sony's statement. Which is bias journalism at it's finest. If you read Sony's original response you would see that.Couth_

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

Sony didn't antagonize anyone.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

navyguy21

No, it's not antagonizing. It's calling a bluff. There's a difference. What it is is a response to antagonism.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"]agreed neither side handled this well but the article on the other hand is only talking about one side of the story. look at the quote in the article were he quotes howard stringer saying "he likes to make a lot of noise" there is actually a lot more to that quote and he isn't just insulting him. my beef is with the guy who created this article

Ragashahs

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

I think you are guilty of seeing what you want to see as a Sony fan.

Activision said if there was not a price cut, by 2010 or 2011 they MAY have to consider stopping development for the system.

Sony said "He (CEO of Activision) likes to make a lot of noise.

Activison was not rude. Sony DID antagonize them. Could have said it better.

Danm_999

Sony didn't antagonize anyone.

Activision didn't complain, they threatened and "antagonized" Sony. I don't think a response to antagonism is antagonism. Maybe "defense?" A "counter" response?

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Couth_"]"he likes to make a lot of noise" is not antagonizing. It could even be considered the oppositehakanakumono

No, it's not antagonizing. It's calling a bluff. There's a difference. What it is is a response to antagonism.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]"He likes to make alot of noise" is like saying "He is all bark, and no bite" So, its basically like saying he is all talk, and cant back it up............which is antagonizing-----taken from the word "antagonist"-----------meaning "bad guy"Danm_999

No, it's not antagonizing. It's calling a bluff. There's a difference. What it is is a response to antagonism.

There are different wasy to call a bluff. :roll: Sony's was one of them.

Saying "Fine, drop support" would be far closer to antagonism from Sony than "he makes a lot of noise" and would be a very, very stupid thing for them to say.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

Sony didn't antagonize anyone.

hakanakumono

Activision didn't complain, they threatened and "antagonized" Sony. I don't think a response to antagonism is antagonism. Maybe "defense?" A "counter" response?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No, it's not antagonizing. It's calling a bluff. There's a difference. What it is is a response to antagonism.

hakanakumono

There are different wasy to call a bluff. :roll: Sony's was one of them.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

The opposite?!? How?

If I voice a legitimate concern, and you respond to my concern by telling the press I am just "making a lot of noise", i'd be pissed.

TBoogy

The articles I have read on the story did not seem to take Activisions words as a blind threat. Maybe some Sony fanboys did, but there was no need to. They nicely said that IF Sony didnt get the price down, in a couple of YEARS they MAY have to drop support. And they even gave a reason why (attach rates).

this article is ridiculous, the only valid claim he is making is from the 2006 horrible press conference. OK we get it the conference was bad , but that was THREE YEARS AGO. all of the other things that he is saying are twisted to sound bad, like sony's response to activision. And complaining about the 10 year lifespan ? thats just ridiculous. His rant is basically just to release all the unfounded hate he has for sony. and he is trying to disclaim that by saying that he loves the ps3. what a pointless "rant"Androvinus

But it does make for some good times in System Wars. :D

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] I don't know where you guys are from, but to say someone 'makes a lot of noise', when they complain is antagonistic.Danm_999

Activision didn't complain, they threatened and "antagonized" Sony. I don't think a response to antagonism is antagonism. Maybe "defense?" A "counter" response?

It's not "loyalty to Sony" I'm just calling BS. Sony has made stupid statements and I'll recognize when they're stupid. Saying the PS3 would replace the PC was very stupid. Saying the PS3 "instills discipline" or whatever is asanine and it does top both of the stupid things nintendo said that I posted.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]"He likes to make alot of noise" is like saying "He is all bark, and no bite" So, its basically like saying he is all talk, and cant back it up............which is antagonizing-----taken from the word "antagonist"-----------meaning "bad guy"Danm_999

No, it's not antagonizing. It's calling a bluff. There's a difference. What it is is a response to antagonism.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Calling his bluff would be Sony saying "fine, drop support for the PS3 Activision". "He makes a lot of noise" is antagonistic. I can't believe this point seriously needs to be debated.Danm_999

There are different wasy to call a bluff. :roll: Sony's was one of them.

Ah, i was using the phrase incorrectly. What I mean is that Sony is implying that Activision is just bluffing.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Activision didn't complain, they threatened and "antagonized" Sony. I don't think a response to antagonism is antagonism. Maybe "defense?" A "counter" response?

hakanakumono

It's not "loyalty to Sony" I'm just calling BS. Sony has made stupid statements and I'll recognize when they're stupid. Saying the PS3 would replace the PC was very stupid. Saying the PS3 "instills discipline" or whatever is asanine and it does top both of the stupid things nintendo said that I posted.

Bah, it's too late at night. Just 3 people in this thread really, all going in a circular argument. Quick, somebody bring up quotes from Sony, or better yet, MS or Nintendo! Hurry!

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Why? He loves his PS3 and the games on it. He just wants console companies (Sony in particular) to butt out. Is this so hard to agree with?Danm_999

You know what? Activison can go STFU. honestly they are the biggest cash whores ever.

As for sony being arrogant, every company does that. Look at Turn 10 Studios. They seem to be spending all their time dissing GT5. what egotistical a-holes. I admire Polyphony for not following in suit, instead focusing on their game and not getting caught up in stupid "this game is better than that game" arguements (SW im looking at you)

Apple is another company that does it, everytime they make a 'new' device their smugness goes up ten fold. In fact i would say that their heads are so far up their asses they are of danger of choking themselves to death

Does anyone remember when Peter More announced GTA4 for 360 and he had that GTA4 tatoo? I thought that was pretty silly

Every company does this but like the poster above said it only seems Sony get scthick for it

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"] Because a lot of people didn't take Activisions words as a concern. Even though it was, the majority of people, and publications like this one took it as a THREAT. Sony could have been defending Activision by saying they are just making noise. The media blew Activisions statement out of proportion, and they are blowing Sony's out of proportion as well. Goes both ways.. Couth_

The articles I have read on the story did not seem to take Activisions words as a blind threat. Maybe some Sony fanboys did, but there was no need to. They nicely said that IF Sony didnt get the price down, in a couple of YEARS they MAY have to drop support. And they even gave a reason why (attach rates).

LOL, you are seeing in my comment what you want to see as well...

I merely said that the people who took Activisions commment as a threat were likely Sony Fanboys. Not that all Sony fans are Fanboys. And yes, Xbox fanboys loved the idea of Activision leaving Sony. But I dont think MS fans (of which I am one) consider their words an "empty threat".

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

sony messed up stop deying it

pyromaniac223

Like what?

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

Edit: The writer is full of BS. He criticizes Sony for "laughing" at Activision, which they did not do. What Sony did do, thanks to the quote, was communicate that they're not in a position where they can afford to lower the price of the PS3. Is it really so arrogant to say "no?" Activision is not the boss of Sony and Sony needs to make decisions that will keep them in the gaming business, not hurt their gaming endeavors.

Both Sony and MS have said that they wanted to prolong their systems to 10 years. There is a reason why MS tagged along. The writer claims that gaming is a rapidly growing industry and Sony will need to keep up. What's growing is the skyrocketting development costs that will increase with the next gen. Development costs that are already proving deadly (one failed game can shut your team down). MS could have told Sony that MS would pass them up while Sonys stayed behind. But they didn't. That's because its not really reasonable to end this gen as soon as previous gens had ended.

Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?

hakanakumono

I've never felt insulted. I've never been insult by the stellar software nintendo has published this gen on Wii and DS. I don't think i have. Yep, i haven't.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

All 3 companies say stupid things; Sony is the only one who is really called on it.

Edit: The writer is full of BS. He criticizes Sony for "laughing" at Activision, which they did not do. What Sony did do, thanks to the quote, was communicate that they're not in a position where they can afford to lower the price of the PS3. Is it really so arrogant to say "no?" Activision is not the boss of Sony and Sony needs to make decisions that will keep them in the gaming business, not hurt their gaming endeavors.

Both Sony and MS have said that they wanted to prolong their systems to 10 years. There is a reason why MS tagged along. The writer claims that gaming is a rapidly growing industry and Sony will need to keep up. What's growing is the skyrocketting development costs that will increase with the next gen. Development costs that are already proving deadly (one failed game can shut your team down). MS could have told Sony that MS would pass them up while Sonys stayed behind. But they didn't. That's because its not really reasonable to end this gen as soon as previous gens had ended.

Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?

darth-pyschosis

I've never felt insulted. I've never been insult by the stellar software nintendo has published this gen on Wii and DS. I don't think i have. Yep, i haven't.

Well then maybe Nintendo's spot on?

That article is by the same guy who bashed inFamous (in a manner that is beyond ridiculous) and said Prototype was better (which btw is funny because it's on the PS3 too). He's clearly a Microsoft fanboy and in my opinion he's beyond the point of being somewhat reasonable. He's pretty much a classic case of a fringe fanboy, the one who gives all of the other loyal 360 owners a very bad name. I would read the article but after reading his Infamous and Prototype comparison I know he's one of those people that really does not deserve my time.Jrfanfreak88

he says he only bashes sony because of their pr and how ps3 is his fav console but if you read that prototype vs infamous comparison hes such a blatant fanboy trying to get his name out there. hope he cries again when sony doesnt show up for his next interview with them.

*sigh* I'll copy a useful comment from N4G:

If journalists ever want to be taken seriously in this industry while posting opinion pieces, they should generally stay away from terms like: "shut the fvck up." Sure he's being cheeky in a juvenielle attempt at witicism, but you wouldn't see Dan Rather doing a piece - not even on his blog, no doubt - with the "f" word in it.

I find it laugable that Jim Sterling is offering his opinion on how (business) people should conduct themselves in a professional manner, when he clearly has no manners of his own.

If you can get past the writer's sad little ego, there's not much to the article that separates it from any of the infinite internet rants that we've heard against the PS3/ Xbox/ Wii.

Articles like this contribute nothing to gaming or the community. Nothing at all. It's not new information, it just the same crap regurgitated again and again to get website hits.

Isn't anyone else sick of articles like this? I'm much more interested in previews and trailers. You know, stuff related to the consumer end of GAMING. Which is what we supposedly like to do. Not arguing over sales figures, pixel counts and what people think of the corporations who make our little boxes.

Edit: And how should Sony talk about their machine and the foibles they've made? With humility? How should the Wii address it's lack of HD output? With apologies? The early model 360 failures? With a total recall of all products costing billions of dollars? Part of business is pretending that everything is alright, even when it's not. You always talk up the assets of your portfolio and products while downplaying the competitions'. That's how business is done.

Its a known fact that sony this gen has been too arrogant. I love my PSX and PS2 but they dont deserve my money this time.

Hmm too arogant this gen what are you talking about look at microsoft they are way too arogant. During the ps2 gen sony was arogan has hell they still need to shut up all 3 comapnies do.

Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?Thunderdrone

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

sony messed up stop deying it

pyromaniac223

"I'm a Sony basher, but it's only because I don't hate the PS3, not because I do.

Destructoid

People that use wording like this need to go jump off a cliff ASAP.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?Thunderdrone

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?Thunderdrone

The skip function.

"Hurt feelings."

Puzzle solving video service.

Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?hakanakumono

The skip function.

"Hurt feelings."

Puzzle solving video service.

Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?hakanakumono

The skip function.

"Hurt feelings."

Puzzle solving video service.

Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?hakanakumono

The skip function.

"Hurt feelings."

Puzzle solving video service.

Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.

Okay children settle down. you need a time out