Destructoid: Sony needs to just Shut The "F" Up (Great Article!)
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] :lol: Care to elaborate? or is this just a fanboy knee-jerk defensive reaction on behalf of your brand-loyalty driven mind?mexicangordo
The skip function.
"Hurt feelings."
Puzzle solving video service.
Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.
You just ridiculed the person who wrote the article for changing what was really said, and that is fair and acceptable, however, now you are completely changing what Nintendo said and meant. You are now the ridiculous one and should be called for it.First of all, nintendo really did say that they want to avoid online competitive gameplay in their games because they result in hurt feelings. I'm not changing what nintendo said here at all.
Second, I'm analyzing nintendo's actions. I don't mean that nintendo has literally insulted their fanbase's intelligence. Nintendo didn't really say anything about the other two, which is probably for the best. Imo, a "skip" function and the video service insult the intelligence of their userbase. If not an "insult," it definitely speaks volumes about how nintendo views their userbase.
You just ridiculed the person who wrote the article for changing what was really said, and that is fair and acceptable, however, now you are completely changing what Nintendo said and meant. You are now the ridiculous one and should be called for it.[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
The skip function.
"Hurt feelings."
Puzzle solving video service.
Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.
hakanakumono
First of all, nintendo really did say that they want to avoid online competitive gameplay in their games because they result in hurt feelings. I'm not changing what nintendo said here at all.
Second, I'm analyzing nintendo's actions. I don't mean that nintendo has literally insulted their fanbase's intelligence. Nintendo didn't really say anything about the other two, which is probably for the best. Imo, a "skip" function and the video service insult the intelligence of their userbase. If not an "insult," it definitely speaks volumes about how nintendo views their userbase.
sorry, i still fail to see how nintendo have insulted there fanbase intelligence,considering most of them,according to cows, are kids or soccer moms, also people who buy the wii don't buy it for competitive online play, insulting your fanbase is promising them thing's and not delivering, to my knowledge nintendo has not done this, unlike SONY with 4D graphics and games running at 120 FPSsorry, i still fail to see how nintendo have insulted there fanbase intelligence,considering most of them,according to cows, are kids or soccer moms, also people who buy the wii don't buy it for competitive online play, insulting your fanbase is promising them thing's and not delivering, to my knowledge nintendo has not done this, unlike SONY with 4D graphics and games running at 120 FPSdelta3074Damn you really kick it where it hurts :lol:
You just ridiculed the person who wrote the article for changing what was really said, and that is fair and acceptable, however, now you are completely changing what Nintendo said and meant. You are now the ridiculous one and should be called for it.[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
The skip function.
"Hurt feelings."
Puzzle solving video service.
Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.
hakanakumono
First of all, nintendo really did say that they want to avoid online competitive gameplay in their games because they result in hurt feelings. I'm not changing what nintendo said here at all.
Second, I'm analyzing nintendo's actions. I don't mean that nintendo has literally insulted their fanbase's intelligence. Nintendo didn't really say anything about the other two, which is probably for the best. Imo, a "skip" function and the video service insult the intelligence of their userbase. If not an "insult," it definitely speaks volumes about how nintendo views their userbase.
Find a direct quote from that and you are correct... Other wise you would be a complete hypocrite and a liar, no more than the guy who wrote the article.Analyzing Nintendo's actions has nothing to do with proven facts, thats clearly your opinion. If you want to be a fanboy and dislike Nintendo then thats your decision, however, there's no need to force feed your opinions as facts. Btw the skip function is optional, kinda how cheat codes make levels easier but are optional as well and has nothing to do with intellegence of anyone. Its targeted towards the casual players who have difficulty....
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] :lol: Care to elaborate? or is this just a fanboy knee-jerk defensive reaction on behalf of your brand-loyalty driven mind?Thunderdrone
The skip function.
"Hurt feelings."
Puzzle solving video service.
Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.
I wonder why the internet is full of guides and cheat faqs then. Maybe you should take a long look at that before calling people stupid. The skip function (i presume its the in-game guide patent), like everything, is the result of polls, focus groups and marketing tests. Its there because they saw the need for it, so i find it funny a random poster on a game forum is claiming nintendo calls their install base stupid by doing this and doesnt even take a few minutes to think on the subject. Super Mario Galaxy. Metroid, Zelda; they are all challenging games to the Wii Sports and Mario Kart newcommers, the new patent will allow to help these out without compromising the experience for everyone else. Your better off admiting it was a hilarious defensive behaviour to the sony bashing in the OP.First of all, cheats and faqs are available for many games that are actually difficult. Nintendo games, however, are not. The difference between a "cheat" function and a "skip" function is that the gamer knows that they're breaking the rules with a cheat. They know that they haven't truly beaten the game if they've used cheats. If you use a skip function that is a regular aspect of gameplay, then there's no illegitimacy to playing less than half the game. Because after all, nintendo facilitates it.
There's never a need for a skip function unless the game is broken or has an extremely imbalanced difficulty level. Thankfull, Nintendo games are not likely to be broken or be imbalanced.
And now you're insulting the intelligence of new gamers. Yes, Nintendo games can be challenging for new gamers. But since when were games not supposed to challenge gamers? And since when did we not want to challenge new gamers? SNES games challenged new gamers who have stuck with gaming ever since. Playstation challenged gamers who have stuck with gaming ever since. Playstation 2 challenged gamers who have stuck with gaming ever since. People can handle challenges, believe it or not. When I was a kid, I tried hard to overcome the challenges present in the games that I owned. Sure, they were discouraging at times, but the more difficult N64 games I owned taught me an important lesson. To keep trying until I overcame the difficulties that I was presented with. New gamers are certainly capable of handling difficulties, and nitnendo is foolish for thinking that they must facilitate ways to bypass difficulties and reveal solutions when gamers have been accomplishing these things by themselves for years. New gamers and old.
I understand that the skip function is optional, but there is harm. Nintendo's primary fanbase is children and removing the challenge and brainwork from gaming is not good for development. And yes, this should be taken into consideration.
:lol: Care to elaborate? or is this just a fanboy knee-jerk defensive reaction on behalf of your brand-loyalty driven mind?[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Why is no one making articles on how Nintendo has consistently insulted the intelligence of it's consumer base?hakanakumono
The skip function.
"Hurt feelings."
Puzzle solving video service.
Nintendo doesn't seem to think that their consumer base can complete what are already easy games on their own. Nor do they feel that their consumer base can handle losing in online competitive gameplay.
If i may quote a funny line i heard once it might clear things up:
"Of all the idiot villages in all the idiot places..Sony stands alone" :lol: Sure others might say silly things but Sony stands alone, theres are so frequent and so stupid.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]They should keep it up, it's amusing watching people get so upset over mere PR statements.delta3074they need to bring back crazy ken, he was funny,kaz is just so unlikeable, he has no personality.
Hey, Kaz rules! :cry: I would love to see the return of Krazy Ken though, a true legend.
they need to bring back crazy ken, he was funny,kaz is just so unlikeable, he has no personality.[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]They should keep it up, it's amusing watching people get so upset over mere PR statements.Floppy_Jim
Hey, Kaz rules! :cry: I would love to see the return of Krazy Ken though, a true legend.
i loved kens 'divine wind' attitude, like a japanese soldier who has been hiding out for 15 years cos he doesn't realise the war is over, kaz is just a guy in a suit with a real big ego, there's a big difference between funny+arrogance (ken) and just plain corporate arrogance (kaz)[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]You just ridiculed the person who wrote the article for changing what was really said, and that is fair and acceptable, however, now you are completely changing what Nintendo said and meant. You are now the ridiculous one and should be called for it.
mexicangordo
First of all, nintendo really did say that they want to avoid online competitive gameplay in their games because they result in hurt feelings. I'm not changing what nintendo said here at all.
Second, I'm analyzing nintendo's actions. I don't mean that nintendo has literally insulted their fanbase's intelligence. Nintendo didn't really say anything about the other two, which is probably for the best. Imo, a "skip" function and the video service insult the intelligence of their userbase. If not an "insult," it definitely speaks volumes about how nintendo views their userbase.
Find a direct quote from that and you are correct... Other wise you would be a complete hypocrite and a liar, no more than the guy who wrote the article.Analyzing Nintendo's actions has nothing to do with proven facts, thats clearly your opinion. If you want to be a fanboy and dislike Nintendo then thats your decision, however, there's no need to force feed your opinions as facts. Btw the skip function is optional, kinda how cheat codes make levels easier but are optional as well and has nothing to do with intellegence of anyone. Its targeted towards the casual players who have difficulty....
The quote that I am referring to is from a very old Kotaku article (I think) which I didn't save. I'm not a hipocrite just because I didn't think to save an article in case some nintendo fanboy refused to believe that nintendo would say such a thing. Of course, you can choose to believe it or not but the simple fact that I don't have a link to provide doesn't make me a hipocrite or a liar, it just means that I have no proof. I'm sure there are people here who remember it though. I'll try to find the website tomorrow; It's 3AM.
Cheat functions are "cheating." The skip function is not.
Here we go again. Casual gamers don't need a skip function. They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever.
they need to bring back crazy ken, he was funny,kaz is just so unlikeable, he has no personality.[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]They should keep it up, it's amusing watching people get so upset over mere PR statements.Floppy_Jim
Hey, Kaz rules! :cry: I would love to see the return of Krazy Ken though, a true legend.
Isn't Hirai better than Kutaragi now? :PFind a direct quote from that and you are correct... Other wise you would be a complete hypocrite and a liar, no more than the guy who wrote the article.[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
First of all, nintendo really did say that they want to avoid online competitive gameplay in their games because they result in hurt feelings. I'm not changing what nintendo said here at all.
Second, I'm analyzing nintendo's actions. I don't mean that nintendo has literally insulted their fanbase's intelligence. Nintendo didn't really say anything about the other two, which is probably for the best. Imo, a "skip" function and the video service insult the intelligence of their userbase. If not an "insult," it definitely speaks volumes about how nintendo views their userbase.
hakanakumono
Analyzing Nintendo's actions has nothing to do with proven facts, thats clearly your opinion. If you want to be a fanboy and dislike Nintendo then thats your decision, however, there's no need to force feed your opinions as facts. Btw the skip function is optional, kinda how cheat codes make levels easier but are optional as well and has nothing to do with intellegence of anyone. Its targeted towards the casual players who have difficulty....
The quote that I am referring to is from a very old Kotaku article (I think) which I didn't save. I'm not a hipocrite just because I didn't think to save an article in case some nintendo fanboy refused to believe that nintendo would say such a thing. Of course, you can choose to believe it or not but the simple fact that I don't have a link to provide doesn't make me a hipocrite or a liar, it just means that I have no proof. I'm sure there are people here who remember it though. I'll try to find the website tomorrow; It's 3AM.
Cheat functions are "cheating." The skip function is not.
Here we go again. Casual gamers don't need a skip function. They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever.
If you don't have proof, then frankly your word means nothing. Its another opinion (which your allowed to have) and nothing more. You are not a hypocrite "because you didnt save an article," you would be a hypocrite because you bashed on a man who twisted what was said, then turned around and did the same thing, which is true since you have yet to prove other wise....Cheating is "cheating" skipping is not, that is correct and irrelevant because both are OPTIONAL ( i hope you caught the last part)
Im sure your the spoke person for the millions of casual's out their, please ask them what game they like more Wii sports or Wii fit :roll: You are generalising again from what you think, if Nintendo wants to add a feature that doesnt affect anyone who doesn't want to use it yet helps those beginers that do, then what is so bad about it? Sometimes you need training wheels before you can ride a bike...n
The quote that I am referring to is from a very old Kotaku article (I think) which I didn't save. I'm not a hipocrite just because I didn't think to save an article in case some nintendo fanboy refused to believe that nintendo would say such a thing. Of course, you can choose to believe it or not but the simple fact that I don't have a link to provide doesn't make me a hipocrite or a liar, it just means that I have no proof. I'm sure there are people here who remember it though. I'll try to find the website tomorrow; It's 3AM.Cheat functions are "cheating." The skip function is not.Here we go again. Casual gamers don't need a skip function. They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever.hakanakumonodude, how many different ways are you going to try to say the same thing, nobody's buying it, this is about the stupid things comany's have said, not what you 'perceive' to be stupid action by nintendo, how is a skip function insulting, it's a choice, you use it or you don't, hardcore gamers just won't use that function, it's not like nintendo are saying "we are putting a skip function in cos you are all rubbish at games" besides it still doesn't change the fact that SONY take the prize for most stupid statements this gen
They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever. hakanakumonoI dont know how old you are (young i assume) but i seriosusly hope you dont go in to the entertainment business, ever. Let me make it plain and simple; this isnt the 80's, stop saying "they managed themselves back then...", today its basically the "battle of the living room", "battle of the pocket" where NUMEROUS companies try to capture the markets attention with verious products and rule these enviroments for as long as possible. If the average person has games mp3 players, portable movie players, multy media devices, touch phones etc etc at ther disposal, why the hell would they waste time frustrating themselves with a videogame not meant for their "skill level"? Thats the biggest problem today, if you cant keep them engaged, they'l move on to something else. Thats what NATAL is all about, no controller, no barriers or entry levels. And thats what this patent is trying to crack; how to keep them from getting bored and moving on without compromising the game's challenge for everybody else. And no, nintendo doesnt cater only to kids, not anymore. Kids back then would go through hell to finish a game because there wasnt much else they could do, they'd only get a few games and they had to trade to play more. Today kids STILL are more patient than adults but their attention is also getting harder to hold and like adults, they get bored faster and have millions of other entertainment devices at their disposal. I'l laugh hard when nintendo's in-game-guide sets a standard and everyone else follows (as usual)
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="delta3074"]they need to bring back crazy ken, he was funny,kaz is just so unlikeable, he has no personality.double_heist
Hey, Kaz rules! :cry: I would love to see the return of Krazy Ken though, a true legend.
Isn't Hirai better than Kutaragi now? :PHirai is a better ceo but Ken is way more amusing
Yawn! And people say Hiphop gamer is bad.....
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]The quote that I am referring to is from a very old Kotaku article (I think) which I didn't save. I'm not a hipocrite just because I didn't think to save an article in case some nintendo fanboy refused to believe that nintendo would say such a thing. Of course, you can choose to believe it or not but the simple fact that I don't have a link to provide doesn't make me a hipocrite or a liar, it just means that I have no proof. I'm sure there are people here who remember it though. I'll try to find the website tomorrow; It's 3AM.Cheat functions are "cheating." The skip function is not.Here we go again. Casual gamers don't need a skip function. They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever.delta3074dude, how many different ways are you going to try to say the same thing, nobody's buying it, this is about the stupid things comany's have said, not what you 'perceive' to be stupid action by nintendo, how is a skip function insulting, it's a choice, you use it or you don't, hardcore gamers just won't use that function, it's not like nintendo are saying "we are putting a skip function in cos you are all rubbish at games" besides it still doesn't change the fact that SONY take the prize for most stupid statements this gen
You are at an art-cla$$ You think you are doing really good and are really happy at what you are doing. You are all doing a painting of a bowl of fruit in front of you. Then suddenly your art-teacher comes over after seeing how everyone is doing and takes your canvas away. He later return after 10min with your painting and say "Here I had the lines drawn for you you just need to fill in the lines now". What are you thinking right now?
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"] They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever. ThunderdroneI dont know how old you are (young i assume) but i seriosusly hope you dont go in to the entertainment business, ever. Let me make it plain and simple; this isnt the 80's, stop saying "they managed themselves back then...", today its basically the "battle of the living room", "battle of the pocket" where NUMEROUS companies try to capture the markets attention with verious products and rule these enviroments for as long as possible. If the average person has games mp3 players, portable movie players, multy media devices, touch phones etc etc at ther disposal, why the hell would they waste time frustrating themselves with a videogame not meant for their "skill level"? Thats the biggest problem today, if you cant keep them engaged, they'l move on to something else. Thats what NATAL is all about, no controller, no barriers or entry levels. And thats what this patent is trying to crack; how to keep them from getting bored and moving on without compromising the game's challenge for everybody else. And no, nintendo doesnt cater only to kids, not anymore. Kids back then would go through hell to finish a game because there wasnt much else they could do, they'd only get a few games and they had to trade to play more. Today kids STILL are more patient than adults but their attention is also getting harder to hold and like adults, they get bored faster and have millions of other entertainment devices at their disposal. I'l laugh hard when nintendo's in-game-guide sets a standard and everyone else follows (as usual)
Okay, for one thing, the music industry and the game indsutry are two entirely different ball games. The reason why mp3s have taken off is because you can carry a wide variety of songs with you in a very small format and listen to it wherever you go. It's more about convienence and comfort, than "challenge" or "difficulty." What's more, music =/= games.
Second, gamers did not simply change as soon as the wii came out. The PS2 had no problem capturing the attention of casual gamers last gen, and the world hasn't completely changed 3 years later. Casual gamers have no problem with challenging themselves, as the PS1, PS2, and SNES have taught us. And no, it didn't suddenly change after 2006. Third, games arne't catered to "skill" levels. The same people who can play easy games can also play difficult games. It just takes effort, which history has taught us does not turn casuals away from gaming.
Nintendo doesn't only cater to kids, but they primarily cater to kids and its important for Nintendo to encourage perseverence in gaming. It's one of the positive aspects of gaming in a child's development, and if you take it away you create the very person that you seem to think casual gamers are - someone who avoids any challenges.
Nintendo has had plenty of ideas that the competition has "copied" and nintendo has had plenty of ideas that did not catch on, some of them bad ideas like the skip feature. Virtua Boy anyone?
dude, how many different ways are you going to try to say the same thing, nobody's buying it, this is about the stupid things comany's have said, not what you 'perceive' to be stupid action by nintendo, how is a skip function insulting, it's a choice, you use it or you don't, hardcore gamers just won't use that function, it's not like nintendo are saying "we are putting a skip function in cos you are all rubbish at games" besides it still doesn't change the fact that SONY take the prize for most stupid statements this gen[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]The quote that I am referring to is from a very old Kotaku article (I think) which I didn't save. I'm not a hipocrite just because I didn't think to save an article in case some nintendo fanboy refused to believe that nintendo would say such a thing. Of course, you can choose to believe it or not but the simple fact that I don't have a link to provide doesn't make me a hipocrite or a liar, it just means that I have no proof. I'm sure there are people here who remember it though. I'll try to find the website tomorrow; It's 3AM.Cheat functions are "cheating." The skip function is not.Here we go again. Casual gamers don't need a skip function. They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever.JLF1
You are at an art-cla$$ You think you are doing really good and are really happy at what you are doing. You are all doing a painting of a bowl of fruit in front of you. Then suddenly your art-teacher comes over after seeing how everyone is doing and takes your canvas away. He later return after 10 with your painting and say "Here I had the lines drawn for you you just need to fill in the lines know". What are you thinking right now?
Great example, thanks. This won't get anywhere, because sheep will agree with whatever nintendo does, but great job anyways.
[QUOTE="calvinx6"]
[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Everyone messes up though. Nintendo's said some downright stupid things this gen too.JLF1
Like what?
Only "Geeks" and "otaku" want more memory.
If you can find the quote I referred to about online and "hurt feelings" you get a gold star.
Okay, for one thing, the music industry and the game indsutry are two entirely different ball games. The reason why mp3s have taken off is because you can carry a wide variety of songs with you in a very small format and listen to it wherever you go. It's more about convienence and comfort, than "challenge" or "difficulty." What's more, music =/= games. hakanakumono
No, it really isnt. Everything overlaps nowadays. It may seem wierd to you but people ARE actually undecided between (example) DS and an Ipod.
Second, gamers did not simply change as soon as the wii came out. The PS2 had no problem capturing the attention of casual gamers last gen, and the world hasn't completely changed 3 years later. Casual gamers have no problem with challenging themselves, as the PS1, PS2, and SNES have taught us. And no, it didn't suddenly change after 2006. Third, games arne't catered to "skill" levels. The same people who can play easy games can also play difficult games. It just takes effort, which history has taught us does not turn casuals away from gaming. hakanakumono
*sigh, you know why i hate the PS2 example? Its NOT the same audience, the Wii is now atracting those who never gave a crap about games, a segment completely forgoten by the industry and one that every person with a little knowledge of marketing knows is VERY important; WOMEN.
Women rule the house, not men, not children but women. Thats why marketing has been shifting from appealing to kids and men to appealing the women who will buy or influence everybody else in the household. Even car ads now try to appeal the modern wife instead of the man of the house. they are the most influential element in the family and the VG industry is the latest one to the party.
Of course not only women, but it also appealed to the "games are worthless" crowd". Men and women who see no value are real benifits of games until Wii Fit and Sports came along with a healthier image and a real pay-off; fitness (the fitness-business is always a mine gold).
Nintendo doesn't only cater to kids, but they primarily cater to kids and its important for Nintendo to encourage perseverence in gaming. It's one of the positive aspects of gaming in a child's development, and if you take it away you create the very person that you seem to think casual gamers are - someone who avoids any challenges.Nintendo has had plenty of ideas that the competition has "copied" and nintendo has had plenty of ideas that did not catch on, some of them bad ideas like the skip feature. Virtua Boy anyone?
hakanakumono
So, you have a devided install-base, one that knows games and are more dedicated, and those who show alot of interest in it but still need to see a reason to play it instead of surfing the net, texting on the iphone, watching movies on their new media device, etc...
Remember, its entertainment and once you start to feel frustrated it stops being entertaining and while dedicated gamers hold on to it untill it pays-off, others will fail to see why they have to put up with it when they can do something else more relaxing.
Nintendo's answer? A service that helps you if YOU WANT. Its all we know, there are no more details about how it works or if its being implemented in every game. Theres no mention if there will be a reward system depending on how many times you use it. What we know is that its OPTIONAL, just another function thatl will come in handy for those who need help.
dude, how many different ways are you going to try to say the same thing, nobody's buying it, this is about the stupid things comany's have said, not what you 'perceive' to be stupid action by nintendo, how is a skip function insulting, it's a choice, you use it or you don't, hardcore gamers just won't use that function, it's not like nintendo are saying "we are putting a skip function in cos you are all rubbish at games" besides it still doesn't change the fact that SONY take the prize for most stupid statements this gen[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]The quote that I am referring to is from a very old Kotaku article (I think) which I didn't save. I'm not a hipocrite just because I didn't think to save an article in case some nintendo fanboy refused to believe that nintendo would say such a thing. Of course, you can choose to believe it or not but the simple fact that I don't have a link to provide doesn't make me a hipocrite or a liar, it just means that I have no proof. I'm sure there are people here who remember it though. I'll try to find the website tomorrow; It's 3AM.Cheat functions are "cheating." The skip function is not.Here we go again. Casual gamers don't need a skip function. They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever.JLF1
You are at an art-cla$$ You think you are doing really good and are really happy at what you are doing. You are all doing a painting of a bowl of fruit in front of you. Then suddenly your art-teacher comes over after seeing how everyone is doing and takes your canvas away. He later return after 10min with your painting and say "Here I had the lines drawn for you you just need to fill in the lines now". What are you thinking right now?that the art teacher hasn't given me a choice, the skip feature on nintendo games are 'OPTIONAL' (a choice), nice try, but compllete fail mate.
Isn't Hirai better than Kutaragi now? :P[QUOTE="double_heist"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]
Hey, Kaz rules! :cry: I would love to see the return of Krazy Ken though, a true legend.
Jesus_on_fire
Hirai is a better ceo but Ken is way more amusing
Amusing in a bad way? :PIf you can find the quote I referred to about online and "hurt feelings" you get a gold star.hakanakumonoAnd the funny thing is, they are right. Would you put your mom or lil' sister playing Live with their headsets on? Do you want me to link you to millions of cases of racist insult messages and pictures of genital organs being shown through MS Live every single hour? Live is full of s**t and nintendo knows it. Their comment isnt an excuse, its a concern, and a valid one at that. One that MS should take more seriously if they ant Live to take of with the expanded audience. Nintendo knows online is big, they said it, they just dont seem to have a better way around the idiots that roam Live 90% of the time. They chose to make less of a deal about online and decided against a free unified infrastructure where anyone can do whatever they want, for now. If NATAL catches up big time (lol) i cant wait for the first bunch of "normal people" venturing through thr cesspool that is online gaming with voice chat, messages, etc.
I dont know how old you are (young i assume) but i seriosusly hope you dont go in to the entertainment business, ever. Let me make it plain and simple; this isnt the 80's, stop saying "they managed themselves back then...", today its basically the "battle of the living room", "battle of the pocket" where NUMEROUS companies try to capture the markets attention with verious products and rule these enviroments for as long as possible. If the average person has games mp3 players, portable movie players, multy media devices, touch phones etc etc at ther disposal, why the hell would they waste time frustrating themselves with a videogame not meant for their "skill level"? Thats the biggest problem today, if you cant keep them engaged, they'l move on to something else. Thats what NATAL is all about, no controller, no barriers or entry levels. And thats what this patent is trying to crack; how to keep them from getting bored and moving on without compromising the game's challenge for everybody else. And no, nintendo doesnt cater only to kids, not anymore. Kids back then would go through hell to finish a game because there wasnt much else they could do, they'd only get a few games and they had to trade to play more. Today kids STILL are more patient than adults but their attention is also getting harder to hold and like adults, they get bored faster and have millions of other entertainment devices at their disposal. I'l laugh hard when nintendo's in-game-guide sets a standard and everyone else follows (as usual)[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"] They're perfectly capable human beings who can figure out the games for themselves. Stop insulting casual gamers by assuming that they need such functions, when casual gamers haven't had any problem without them in the past. Nintendo does not need to baby it's casual consumer base and both nintendo and it's fanboys alike need to stop pretending that the slightest challenge or discomfort will make them leave gaming forever. hakanakumono
Okay, for one thing, the music industry and the game indsutry are two entirely different ball games. The reason why mp3s have taken off is because you can carry a wide variety of songs with you in a very small format and listen to it wherever you go. It's more about convienence and comfort, than "challenge" or "difficulty." What's more, music =/= games.
Second, gamers did not simply change as soon as the wii came out. The PS2 had no problem capturing the attention of casual gamers last gen, and the world hasn't completely changed 3 years later. Casual gamers have no problem with challenging themselves, as the PS1, PS2, and SNES have taught us. And no, it didn't suddenly change after 2006. Third, games arne't catered to "skill" levels. The same people who can play easy games can also play difficult games. It just takes effort, which history has taught us does not turn casuals away from gaming.
Nintendo doesn't only cater to kids, but they primarily cater to kids and its important for Nintendo to encourage perseverence in gaming. It's one of the positive aspects of gaming in a child's development, and if you take it away you create the very person that you seem to think casual gamers are - someone who avoids any challenges.
Nintendo has had plenty of ideas that the competition has "copied" and nintendo has had plenty of ideas that did not catch on, some of them bad ideas like the skip feature. Virtua Boy anyone?
Spot on, this something people dont see, the PS2/PS1 had casuals, mainstream and core gamers under one system, the Wii doesnt and as a result mainstream and core games are suffering.
You are at an art-cla$$ You think you are doing really good and are really happy at what you are doing. You are all doing a painting of a bowl of fruit in front of you. Then suddenly your art-teacher comes over after seeing how everyone is doing and takes your canvas away. He later return after 10 with your painting and say "Here I had the lines drawn for you you just need to fill in the lines know". What are you thinking right now?JLF1
Thats a horrible example. First of all, the guide function is meant for begginers and funny enough thats what you should do to begginners in art cla$$es, not drawing FOR them but leting them do mistakes without punishment. Just like with kids, the worst thing you could do is "punish a kid because he painted the sky green and the cow red, he did it because he felt like doing it, his mind is creativly evolving and interrupting this will only get him to quit.
Here its the same thing, 40 year old man tries Zelda for the first time, takes time to learn the basic controls but finally feels realised he made it thus far. Reaches one of those "acivate certain event/find certain object to continue" moments in Zelda (which we take for granted and already have enough background experience to have an idea of what it is) and is STUCK. What happens? He doesnt know what to do, the flow of the game is broken, the will to proceed fades, all his previous "victories" as a n00by crash and burn, he gets frustrated and to the shelve the game goes.
Remember, as beginners, they must be given alot of freedom and margain for error. If you provide them an experience that helps them when they need and chalenges them when they feel they can do it, they will feel more rewarded and try harder the next time. Telling them to "man up or get out LOL" leads us nowhere.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]If you can find the quote I referred to about online and "hurt feelings" you get a gold star.ThunderdroneAnd the funny thing is, they are right. Would you put your mom or lil' sister playing Live with their headsets on? Do you want me to link you to millions of cases of racist insult messages and pictures of genital organs being shown through MS Live every single hour? Live is full of s**t and nintendo knows it. Their comment isnt an excuse, its a concern, and a valid one at that. One that MS should take more seriously if they ant Live to take of with the expanded audience. Nintendo knows online is big, they said it, they just dont seem to have a better way around the idiots that roam Live 90% of the time. They chose to make less of a deal about online and decided against a free unified infrastructure where anyone can do whatever they want, for now. If NATAL catches up big time (lol) i cant wait for the first bunch of "normal people" venturing through thr cesspool that is online gaming with voice chat, messages, etc.
When then lock your mon and lil' sister in your basement because that's how the rest of the world is.
When then lock your mon and lil' sister in your basement because that's how the rest of the world is.JLF1
No, thats how lil kids and insecure teens are when given the power of anonimacy.
Civilized people, the only ones hat should be allowed to breed, dont take pictures of their penis and threaten to call the police on you when they lose at SFIV.
But if thats what you think the real world is, i recomend you show your family *a certain famous and banned site here with a 4 in its name* nothing like people eating stool and stepping on puppy heads to wake them up to reality.
that the art teacher hasn't given me a choice, the skip feature on nintendo games are 'OPTIONAL' (a choice), nice try, but compllete fail mate.delta3074
You don't have to fill in the lines either, you can always paint them over.
The reason I don't like the idea of skipping the hard parts in a game is because I fear gaming will loose of the few benefits it has. Thinking!
If you don't need to think anymore in a game then why even play a game? Imagine Myst with this function, it would loose the core of the game.
The reason I don't like the idea of skipping the hard parts in a game is because I fear gaming will loose of the few benefits it has. Thinking! If you don't need to think anymore in a game then why even play a game? Imagine Myst with this function, it would loose the core of the game.JLF1Y ou value "thinking" but dont seem to grasp the concept of "choice" and "free will". Dont want to use, dont use it. If you dont have the will power to refuse using it, i think the fear of loss of "thinking" in videogames is the least of your problems.
[QUOTE="JLF1"] When then lock your mon and lil' sister in your basement because that's how the rest of the world is.Thunderdrone
No, thats how lil kids and insecure teens are when given the power of anonimacy.
Civilized people, the only ones hat should be allowed to breed, dont take pictures of their penis and threaten to call the police on you when they lose at SFIV.
But if thats what you think the real world is, i recomend you show your family *a certain famous and banned site here with a 4 in its name* nothing like people eating stool and stepping on puppy heads to wake them up to reality.
That kind of thinking was used by a certain political party in a country in Europe 70 years ago that started with a G just for your information ;)
I'm talking about the real world not your safe little heaven wherever you might live (I live in one too). If racists 10 year olds are one of your worst problems then call yourself lucky.
All I'm saying is that it doesn't mather what Nintendo, Sony or MS does for online gaming that won't stop your mom or little sister encountering far worse things in life. Censorship has NEVER helped anyone in any time or place and shouldn't be used as a defense on a corporation. Nintendo doesn't care about you or me or what we might encounter in life or online, they only care about they're own PR and view from the public. Is that bad? No, not really but don't think it's anything more or grander.
[QUOTE="JLF1"] The reason I don't like the idea of skipping the hard parts in a game is because I fear gaming will loose of the few benefits it has. Thinking! If you don't need to think anymore in a game then why even play a game? Imagine Myst with this function, it would loose the core of the game.ThunderdroneY ou value "thinking" but dont seem to grasp the concept of "choice" and "free will". Dont want to use, dont use it. If you dont have the will power to refuse using it, i think the fear of loss of "thinking" in videogames is the least of your problems.
Sorry but your poor attempt at agumentum ad hominem doesn't work on me.
A Human being will always take the easy way out, if you can drive a shorter way to work you will drive that way. Some people will always want to be challanged but those are very few. This isn't about choice or free will it's about how the human brain works. Why would you sit and think outside the box when you can just skip this puzzle and get on with it?
Besided, you shouldn't really be talking about free will when clearly you want to shelter people from online worlds. Isn't it your mom's and sister's choice if they want to play a game online and not nintendos?
Besides, you shouldn't really be talking about free will when clearly you want to shelter people from online worlds. Isn't it your mom's and sister's choice if they want to play a game online and not nintendos?JLF1That's why. a) The Wii has online games. b) There are PS3/360/PC.
[QUOTE="Destructoid"]I'm a Sony basherSTRETCH-E
So why would we give this guy anymore credit than any fanboy in SW?
you would be the pot or the kettle? any who on topic, if they(sony), did not put up a big front with the PR i doubt they would be doing as well as they are now. for what that is worth
you would be the pot or the kettle?[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]
So why would we give this guy anymore credit than any fanboy in SW?
STRETCH-E
Neither because that expression doesn't make any sense in this situation.
Learn to English.
[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] you would be the pot or the kettle?surrealnumber5
Neither because that expression doesn't make any sense in this situation.
Learn to English.
I wasn't putting him down. He said himself he was a fanboy.
I'm just wondering why would a fanboy with a blog have more credit than any of us here.
I wasn't putting him down. He said himself he was a fanboy.
I'm just wondering why would a fanboy with a blog have more credit than any of us here.STRETCH-E
But this fanboy...he's got a blog!:o...and, and he typed words in it!:shock:It's not just any ol' raggedy blog, it's Official-like.:!:
This is SW...:roll:
This blog has been treated by our inhabitants as the most amazing literary, conceptual work we have ever seen. We may as well accept that this BLOG may in fact be the hidden legendary document that's been rumored to have been co-written by Abraham Lincoln, President Obama, Ben Franklin, Plato, Karl Marx, and Carrot Top.
I'm just wondering why would a fanboy with a blog have more credit than any of us here.STRETCH-ENo one is giving him credit for what he is or not, but for what he wrote.
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