Devil May Cry 4 is still exclusive !!!
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.kcpp2bThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone put this quote into a sig. HOLY CRAP I can't believe someone could actually say that.
I deal with investors in the film industry so I deal with budgets and P&A all the freaking time dude.
Do you know what recoupments means? Do you know what investors do for example?
Like for a film they put $200 Million for titanic for the budget, let's say $100 worldwide for P & A (prints and advertising or marketing you can call it) the movie went on to make at the box office alone around $1.6 Billion dollars. After paying off the budget, P&A and distribution costs they made around a Billion or so. No money is lost.
Money is only lost if titantic let's say only made $250 Million at the box office, that would be a loss (at the box office) Do you get it?
1)You still dont get my point 2)Calm down,we're discussing DMC,not the war on Iraq.No need to get upset dude. Ok then,we must agree to disagree because that is the only way we can solve this argument.
[QUOTE="geist117"]Glad to see you didn't get banned dualshockin or SW wouldn't have your Fox News to Sony's Bush Whitehouse. DualshockinThanks,I do kind of like Bush(He's rather funny sometimes). But back on topic!Good news for the 360 owners,DMC on 360 will most definately be a great game.
you like bush? not surprised there buddy. You make infamousC with his weird posts last night look like a genius
[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying. Its not like that at all. they didn't just lose the money... THey spent the money to make it and more back. Your analogy makes the assumption that Capcom would have made the money even if they didn't put the $40 million into it...
Their dreams are shattering. Just as I had predicted over a year ago...or maybe even ealier.
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink: joystiq.....im going to have to disapprove that ownage. I refuse to believe that LP lost 40 million dollars. It was a million seller, if Capcom knew that even if it sold over a million copies they would have lost money, they would never have made the game.
[QUOTE="Tokyopimp_basic"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]Capcom is money hungry just like koei. Its not hard to beleive they would go multiplatform.
X_CAPCOM_X
Yeah those God Damn businesses and their desire to produce income! Man I hate those kinds of businesses!
Capcom is now EA Japan. They went from Megaman and SF games that we all loved, to multiplat mix-ups.
Are you implying that the days of Street Fighter 2: Turbo Hyper Championship Edition, Resident Evil: Dual Shock Edition, and Megaman XInfinity are preferable to this?
Maybe you disagree, but I'd rather see Capcom make original titles than continue to churn out rehashes like they used to.
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
Okay, I don't even think you know what you're saying anymore. :|
[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone put this quote into a sig. HOLY CRAP I can't believe someone could actually say that.
I deal with investors in the film industry so I deal with budgets and P&A all the freaking time dude.
Do you know what recoupments means? Do you know what investors do for example?
Like for a film they put $200 Million for titanic for the budget, let's say $100 worldwide for P & A (prints and advertising or marketing you can call it) the movie went on to make at the box office alone around $1.6 Billion dollars. After paying off the budget, P&A and distribution costs they made around a Billion or so. No money is lost.
Money is only lost if titantic let's say only made $250 Million at the box office, that would be a loss (at the box office) Do you get it?
1)You still dont get my point 2)Calm down,we're discussing DMC,not the war on Iraq.No need to get upset dude. Ok then,we must agree to disagree because that is the only way we can solve this argument.
Deep down I think you realized you don't get what we talked about or know your wrong but fanboyishly won't admit it. Dude you don't get how financing and investing works.
And you're who loosing $100 and finding $101 the next day... you do know investing is how just about everything in the world is financed. Once there is some kind of return it's called recoupment phase. With LP they are past that phase and already made back the $40 Million the spent. Now they are in the equity phase and profit sharing
[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.Keric_basicThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone put this quote into a sig. HOLY CRAP I can't believe someone could actually say that.
I deal with investors in the film industry so I deal with budgets and P&A all the freaking time dude.
Do you know what recoupments means? Do you know what investors do for example?
Like for a film they put $200 Million for titanic for the budget, let's say $100 worldwide for P & A (prints and advertising or marketing you can call it) the movie went on to make at the box office alone around $1.6 Billion dollars. After paying off the budget, P&A and distribution costs they made around a Billion or so. No money is lost.
Money is only lost if titantic let's say only made $250 Million at the box office, that would be a loss (at the box office) Do you get it?
He must be partiall
[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying. Are you partially retarded? Careful now,I once got modded for saying "Xflop",the mods mean business nowadays.
[QUOTE="LordoverFeind"]Just went to www.capcom.co.jp and DMC4 is still only on the ps3 and till that changes all this talk about a pc and 360 version is bullocks.Riverwolf007It's ok, denial is a natural first responce to the loss of a loved one. Expect feelings of Anger, "I nvr liked dmc anydamway." Guilt, "mebee I shouldn't have griped about dmc2 so much." then finally acceptance, "they still don't have FFXIII so there!" Don't forget, people find sandwiches comforting during berevement. LOL the info is not on the official site yet so how am I in denial ??? If it gets updated then fine but till then I am not going to run around like a fanboy spreading misinformation.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Yellow_Rose
Okay, I don't even think you know what you're saying anymore. :|
I don't know about you guys but that is easily the funniest statement I've ever read on this site. Someone has to use that in their sig honestly, I would but I don't have the space for it
[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did... BS! prove it!
[QUOTE="-L-U-I-S-"][QUOTE="LordoverFeind"]Just went to www.capcom.co.jp and DMC4 is still only on the ps3 and till that changes all this talk about a pc and 360 version is bullocks.LordoverFeindIts also on IGN and a Capcom exec said so himself Like I said just because IGN and some exec said it does not make it so. I only go by the official capcom japanese site not some other site trying to get hits from a translated exec. I have a 360 and ps3 as well as a gaming pc so I really don't care if the game goes to another system but I am not going to trust info that is not official.
http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e070320.html
Owned.
[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="LordoverFeind"]Just went to www.capcom.co.jp and DMC4 is still only on the ps3 and till that changes all this talk about a pc and 360 version is bullocks.LordoverFeindIt's ok, denial is a natural first responce to the loss of a loved one. Expect feelings of Anger, "I nvr liked dmc anydamway." Guilt, "mebee I shouldn't have griped about dmc2 so much." then finally acceptance, "they still don't have FFXIII so there!" Don't forget, people find sandwiches comforting during berevement. LOL the info is not on the official site yet so how am I in denial ??? If it gets updated then fine but till then I am not going to run around like a fanboy spreading misinformation. yes yes it is [link] http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e070320.html [/link]
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.omarguy01They lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did... BS! prove it! LOL, stop. Dont even try him.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.kcpp2bThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone put this quote into a sig. HOLY CRAP I can't believe someone could actually say that.
I deal with investors in the film industry so I deal with budgets and P&A all the freaking time dude.
Do you know what recoupments means? Do you know what investors do for example?
Like for a film they put $200 Million for titanic for the budget, let's say $100 worldwide for P & A (prints and advertising or marketing you can call it) the movie went on to make at the box office alone around $1.6 Billion dollars. After paying off the budget, P&A and distribution costs they made around a Billion or so. No money is lost.
Money is only lost if titantic let's say only made $250 Million at the box office, that would be a loss (at the box office) Do you get it?
1)You still dont get my point 2)Calm down,we're discussing DMC,not the war on Iraq.No need to get upset dude. Ok then,we must agree to disagree because that is the only way we can solve this argument.
Deep down I think you realized you don't get what we talked about or know your wrong but fanboyishly won't admit it. Dude you don't get how financing and investing works.
And you're who loosing $100 and finding $101 the next day... you do know investing is how just about everything in the world is financed. Once there is some kind of return it's called recoupment phase. With LP they are past that phase and already made back the $40 Million the spent. Now they are in the equity phase and profit sharing
I do infact get what we talked about,it is you who hasnt grasped the point. Capcom did not make 10 million dollars in profit one week after LP came out now did they?Meaning that they did infact lose a large sum of money before they made it back.This was lost in marketing and development. Another example?Playstation 3.Sony will lose 2 billion dollars dollars off it,but it doesnt mean they cant make a profit in the end.Meaning that Sony will at some point have lost 2 billion dollars. Now you see what I mean....?
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.omarguy01They lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did... BS! prove it! I did a couple of pages ago :)
Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up.
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
kcpp2b
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
That's not how business works.
You act like Capcom flushed $40 million down the toilet, and then, later, $50 million floated back up. But things don't work that way.
Capcom spent that money with the expectation that they would make a return on that money later. They did. Capcom made 10 million dollars in profit one week after LP came out. The $40 million spent directly correlated to the $50 million earned. As a result, there is no loss.
If the PS3 makes Sony a profit, then the billions spent on R&D and stuff won't be losses. However, if their revenue does not exceed their expenditures, then they have lost money.
Do you grasp the difference?
[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone put this quote into a sig. HOLY CRAP I can't believe someone could actually say that.
I deal with investors in the film industry so I deal with budgets and P&A all the freaking time dude.
Do you know what recoupments means? Do you know what investors do for example?
Like for a film they put $200 Million for titanic for the budget, let's say $100 worldwide for P & A (prints and advertising or marketing you can call it) the movie went on to make at the box office alone around $1.6 Billion dollars. After paying off the budget, P&A and distribution costs they made around a Billion or so. No money is lost.
Money is only lost if titantic let's say only made $250 Million at the box office, that would be a loss (at the box office) Do you get it?
1)You still dont get my point 2)Calm down,we're discussing DMC,not the war on Iraq.No need to get upset dude. Ok then,we must agree to disagree because that is the only way we can solve this argument.
Deep down I think you realized you don't get what we talked about or know your wrong but fanboyishly won't admit it. Dude you don't get how financing and investing works.
And you're who loosing $100 and finding $101 the next day... you do know investing is how just about everything in the world is financed. Once there is some kind of return it's called recoupment phase. With LP they are past that phase and already made back the $40 Million the spent. Now they are in the equity phase and profit sharing
I do infact get what we talked about,it is you who hasnt grasped the point. Capcom did not make 10 million dollars in profit one week after LP came out now did they?Meaning that they did infact lose a large sum of money before they made it back.This was lost in marketing and development. Another example?Playstation 3.Sony will lose 2 billion dollars dollars off it,but it doesnt mean they cant make a profit in the end.Meaning that Sony will at some point have lost 2 billion dollars. Now you see what I mean....?
Go back to your post where you say if you find the $101 you still lost the $100.
When you invest and get back your money and then some you don't lose anything you don't get that?
Capcom didn't loose any money, they invested it. It five years from now LP sells 2 copies then it is offcially a loss of just about $40 Million minues $120 LOL....
But they sold 1 Million copies and made atleast 50 Million through that meaning a profit of atleast $10 Million and more coming.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Tulak_Hord
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?
That's not how business works.
You act like Capcom flushed $40 million down the toilet, and then, later, $50 million floated back up. But things don't work that way.
Capcom spent that money with the expectation that they would make a return on that money later. They did. Capcom made 10 million dollars in profit one week after LP came out. The $40 million spent directly correlated to the $50 million earned. As a result, there is no loss.
If the PS3 makes Sony a profit, then the billions spent on R&D and stuff won't be losses. However, if their revenue does not exceed their expenditures, then they have lost money.
Do you grasp the difference?
I give up I don't think he gets it or maybe it flamebait but wow.... this is funny indeed
[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]early april fools joke? imagine....Yellow_Rose
Sorry spud, the only joke right now is the $600 blu-Ray player posing as a gaming console. ;)
you got him crying right now yellow rose, nice.[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up. Your argument that Capcom lost millions on Lost Planet, and that's the reason DMC4 went mulitplat is laughable. Just admit you were wrong. The article that you keep linking clearly states that LP was a success.
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
Dualshockin
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.kcpp2bThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink:Thats how much it cost to make it.... Not how much Capcom lost from selling it.
You need to brush up on your reading skills...
Where did I say Capcom lost money from selling it? I said they lost money,which they did.From marketing and development. C'mon now,let's not argue over nothing :)
DUDE READ THIS FOR A SECOND.
How did they loose money on LP when they sold 1 Million copies and made around $50 Million if not more?
They are in profit now? What part about that do you not get? the money they put into the budget and P & A has been recouped and they are in the profit now
Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone put this quote into a sig. HOLY CRAP I can't believe someone could actually say that.
I deal with investors in the film industry so I deal with budgets and P&A all the freaking time dude.
Do you know what recoupments means? Do you know what investors do for example?
Like for a film they put $200 Million for titanic for the budget, let's say $100 worldwide for P & A (prints and advertising or marketing you can call it) the movie went on to make at the box office alone around $1.6 Billion dollars. After paying off the budget, P&A and distribution costs they made around a Billion or so. No money is lost.
Money is only lost if titantic let's say only made $250 Million at the box office, that would be a loss (at the box office) Do you get it?
1)You still dont get my point 2)Calm down,we're discussing DMC,not the war on Iraq.No need to get upset dude. Ok then,we must agree to disagree because that is the only way we can solve this argument.
Deep down I think you realized you don't get what we talked about or know your wrong but fanboyishly won't admit it. Dude you don't get how financing and investing works.
And you're who loosing $100 and finding $101 the next day... you do know investing is how just about everything in the world is financed. Once there is some kind of return it's called recoupment phase. With LP they are past that phase and already made back the $40 Million the spent. Now they are in the equity phase and profit sharing
I do infact get what we talked about,it is you who hasnt grasped the point. Capcom did not make 10 million dollars in profit one week after LP came out now did they?Meaning that they did infact lose a large sum of money before they made it back.This was lost in marketing and development. Another example?Playstation 3.Sony will lose 2 billion dollars dollars off it,but it doesnt mean they cant make a profit in the end.Meaning that Sony will at some point have lost 2 billion dollars. Now you see what I mean....?
Go back to your post where you say if you find the $101 you still lost the $100.
When you invest and get back your money and then some you don't lose anything you don't get that?
Capcom didn't loose any money, they invested it. It five years from now LP sells 2 copies then it is offcially a loss of just about $40 Million minues $120 LOL....
But they sold 1 Million copies and made atleast 50 Million through that meaning a profit of atleast $10 Million and more coming.
The thing is,100 was still lost.I may have found another 100 dollars,but the previous amount/previous 100 bill of mine is still lost.If this doesnt make sense then we arent making any progress... There was no guarantee after I lost my 100 that I would find 100 the next day,thus there was a time frame between the two days when I had indeed lost 100 dollars. This is my point.
All is left is MGS4 if this game goes to the 360, I'm not buying the PS3 instead I'll go for the 360. SolidSnake2020
You don't own a 360? You better get on that pronto.
[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?
You're getting it wrong though ok. Let's maturely talk about it then ok?
They didn't loose the money though. Here is why. It's only considered a lost when the game has stopped being shipped and they still haven't recouped their money and broken even atleast. Then and only then can it be called a lost. Before then it is called an investment. And I don't think capcom pays for the P&A, in the film industry it works that way unless the movie is being produced by the same company as it's distributor like Lionsgate for example.
So basically it's an investment into the project. It can only be deemed surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up. Your argument that Capcom lost millions on Lost Planet, and that's the reason DMC4 went mulitplat is laughable. Just admit you were wrong. The article that you keep linking clearly states that LP was a success. If I were wrong I would gladly admit so,fanboyism is a thing of the past for me. But I wasnt wrong :wink:
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
Keric_basic
[QUOTE="Keric_basic"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up. Your argument that Capcom lost millions on Lost Planet, and that's the reason DMC4 went mulitplat is laughable. Just admit you were wrong. The article that you keep linking clearly states that LP was a success. If I were wrong I would gladly admit so,fanboyism is a thing of the past for me. But I wasnt wrong :wink:
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
Dualshockin
Even if you are right about this, you're still wrong in your greater point.
You said that Capcom was losing money on games like Lost Planet, and needed to make up the money somewhere else. But if Lost Planet makes them more money than it 'lost' them, then they don't need multiplats to make up the loss, because the game itself is doing that. All is well.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.kcpp2b
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?
You're getting it wrong though ok. Let's maturely talk about it then ok?
They didn't loose the money though. Here is why. It's only considered a lost when the game has stopped being shipped and they still haven't recouped their money and broken even atleast. Then and only then can it be called a lost. Before then it is called an investment. And I don't think capcom pays for the P&A, in the film industry it works that way unless the movie is being produced by the same company as it's distributor like Lionsgate for example.
So basically it's an investment into the project. It can only be deemed surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back.
Ahh,you said it yourself:"It can only be deemed a surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back" I dont see why we're still debating over this whilst we clearly understand each other?
[QUOTE="waynehead895"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.X_CAPCOM_XBy trying to make a profit? Or by not helping Sony sell more Blu-Ray players? By destroying their reputation for solid console support with ongoing titles that we all love. No more mixup capcom. No more fanboyism from people like you either. When it was only on the PS2, people like you hated it. But now you love it don't you?
well...seeing how i used to own a PS2 so i played all of the DMC's. i love that serious. i don't see how u can say people hated all. all my friends that only had a xbox borrowed my PS2 so they could play the DMC games. and honestly i don't really see how they are destroying their reputation? they're just trying to bring a great game to more people.
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]Capcom is going very very low.DualshockinThey lost millions with Lost Planet and other games,they have to make it up somehow... But,as good news as this may be to supporters of other systems,let's not forget how poorly DMC2 did...
Lost Planet sold about 1 million units within weeks of its release in NA and Europe. Capcom did not lose money on it.
Owned Kindly admit ownage :wink: Article titles is missleading, In the article titles it says they lost 40 million , but in the article it self it only says the spent 40 Million. It dosnt mention anywere on the actaul sales takings for the games, so you cant tell how much they gained or lost.
[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we? Then EVERY GAME EVER MADE LOSES MONEY. What people arent understanding is why you singled out Lost Planet, and the only rational reason is that you were ignorant of what the article was trying to say.
[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we? I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Keric_basic"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up. Your argument that Capcom lost millions on Lost Planet, and that's the reason DMC4 went mulitplat is laughable. Just admit you were wrong. The article that you keep linking clearly states that LP was a success. If I were wrong I would gladly admit so,fanboyism is a thing of the past for me. But I wasnt wrong :wink:
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
sonicmj1
Even if you are right about this, you're still wrong in your greater point.
You said that Capcom was losing money on games like Lost Planet, and needed to make up the money somewhere else. But if Lost Planet makes them more money than it 'lost' them, then they don't need multiplats to make up the loss, because the game itself is doing that. All is well.
Yes,I was right that Capcom lost 40 million dollars off Lost planet,the confusion comes about because neither I or the user who said they didnt lose any money did not provide a specific explanation at first. We could've avoided an unnecessary debate.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.El_Fanboy
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we? Then EVERY GAME EVER MADE LOSES MONEY. What people arent understanding is why you singled out Lost Planet, and the only rational reason is that you were ignorant of what the article was trying to say. I wont even bother explaining it,you've already come up with a conclusion to the matter in the form of caps lock :roll:
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Keric_basic"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up. Your argument that Capcom lost millions on Lost Planet, and that's the reason DMC4 went mulitplat is laughable. Just admit you were wrong. The article that you keep linking clearly states that LP was a success. If I were wrong I would gladly admit so,fanboyism is a thing of the past for me. But I wasnt wrong :wink:
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
Dualshockin
Even if you are right about this, you're still wrong in your greater point.
You said that Capcom was losing money on games like Lost Planet, and needed to make up the money somewhere else. But if Lost Planet makes them more money than it 'lost' them, then they don't need multiplats to make up the loss, because the game itself is doing that. All is well.
Yes,I was right that Capcom lost 40 million dollars off Lost planet,the confusion comes about because neither I or the user who said they didnt lose any money did not provide a specific explanation at first. We could've avoided an unnecessary debate. Yes, did lose money on Lost Planet, just like EVERY game made. So there is nothing to debate, and you shouldn't be calling out Lost planet for losing money after they have made a big profit.
[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?
You're getting it wrong though ok. Let's maturely talk about it then ok?
They didn't loose the money though. Here is why. It's only considered a lost when the game has stopped being shipped and they still haven't recouped their money and broken even atleast. Then and only then can it be called a lost. Before then it is called an investment. And I don't think capcom pays for the P&A, in the film industry it works that way unless the movie is being produced by the same company as it's distributor like Lionsgate for example.
So basically it's an investment into the project. It can only be deemed surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back.
Ahh,you said it yourself:"It can only be deemed a surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back" I dont see why we're still debating over this whilst we clearly understand each other?
OMG you're a flamebait you must be, you're just finding weird things to make an argument now.
It the videogame world and in investing, forget you lost money theory, with investment, it's not a loss just because you invest money. With Capcom it was an investment and they would only claim a "loss" on LP if by let's say early 2008 it sold terrible. They maybe they could claim a loss because they can see they will most likely not get their money back. You can't claim a loss as soon as you invest.
Dude I work in finance and with investors. Don't pretend you do.
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Keric_basic"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Hey Dualshock,Now you get what I mean! I knew we would eventually understand each other,I posted a response a few posts up. Your argument that Capcom lost millions on Lost Planet, and that's the reason DMC4 went mulitplat is laughable. Just admit you were wrong. The article that you keep linking clearly states that LP was a success. If I were wrong I would gladly admit so,fanboyism is a thing of the past for me. But I wasnt wrong :wink:
you do realize this is how all companies work? Even Sony and Nintendo. They invest money and they don't see their money back until they break even and recoup. That's how games / films / albums / shows are done? You dont get that?
When you get the money back it's not lost lol You invest and take risk. With capcom their risk equalled an ice profit in the multimillions and they have years to go in sales still for LP
Dualshockin
Even if you are right about this, you're still wrong in your greater point.
You said that Capcom was losing money on games like Lost Planet, and needed to make up the money somewhere else. But if Lost Planet makes them more money than it 'lost' them, then they don't need multiplats to make up the loss, because the game itself is doing that. All is well.
Yes,I was right that Capcom lost 40 million dollars off Lost planet,the confusion comes about because neither I or the user who said they didnt lose any money did not provide a specific explanation at first. We could've avoided an unnecessary debate. There is no confusion. It is common knowledge that it takes money to make money. You're argument that Capcom lost money with LP is where the argument stemmed from. Which is just plain wrong.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Tulak_Hord
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we? I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.
Okay,now,I will quote you to prove my point:"Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially..." I agree with that,and that is why I have been debating for the past few pages.Capcom lost 40 million dollars inorder to make LP a success,as stated by that article.They did lose money at some point. Now,must this debate go on since the solution has been found?
[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin
It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?
So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.
Good day.
But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we? I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.
Okay,now,I will quote you to prove my point:"Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially..." I agree with that,and that is why I have been debating for the past few pages.Capcom lost 40 million dollars inorder to make LP a success,as stated by that article.They did lose money at some point. Now,must this debate go on since the solution has been found? OK, you admit LP was a success. Good enough for me, only took 8 pages. Peace
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