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#151 Dualshockin

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.kcpp2b

It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?

So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.

Good day.

But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?

You're getting it wrong though ok. Let's maturely talk about it then ok?
They didn't loose the money though. Here is why. It's only considered a lost when the game has stopped being shipped and they still haven't recouped their money and broken even atleast. Then and only then can it be called a lost. Before then it is called an investment. And I don't think capcom pays for the P&A, in the film industry it works that way unless the movie is being produced by the same company as it's distributor like Lionsgate for example.

So basically it's an investment into the project. It can only be deemed surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back.

Ahh,you said it yourself:"It can only be deemed a surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back" I dont see why we're still debating over this whilst we clearly understand each other?

OMG you're a flamebait you must be, you're just finding weird things to make an argument now.

It the videogame world and in investing, forget you lost money theory, with investment, it's not a loss just because you invest money. With Capcom it was an investment and they would only claim a "loss" on LP if by let's say early 2008 it sold terrible. They maybe they could claim a loss because they can see they will most likely not get their money back. You can't claim a loss as soon as you invest.

Dude I work in finance and with investors. Don't pretend you do.

A flamebait? Where did I once deliberately "flamebait" ? Dude,we reached a conclusion in our previous posts,yet you still pursue the matter. I have even come to the solution with another user,the post is above this.Read it,and then see what I've been talking about all along.

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[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin

It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?

So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.

Good day.

But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?

I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.

Okay,now,I will quote you to prove my point:"Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially..." I agree with that,and that is why I have been debating for the past few pages.Capcom lost 40 million dollars inorder to make LP a success,as stated by that article.They did lose money at some point. Now,must this debate go on since the solution has been found?

Well in investing with real estate and films etc.. it's not called "Loss" so nothing has been lost. It's an investment no what anyone says here. A loss is the last result in which you know you WILL NOT make that money back. With Game investors and investments in gaming, you don't know whether your risk will turn out to be a loss or a profit until aftr the product is released and launched and spent time on the market

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#153 Dualshockin

Member since 2006 • 7826 Posts

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Keric_basic

It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?

So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.

Good day.

But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?

I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.

Okay,now,I will quote you to prove my point:"Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially..." I agree with that,and that is why I have been debating for the past few pages.Capcom lost 40 million dollars inorder to make LP a success,as stated by that article.They did lose money at some point. Now,must this debate go on since the solution has been found?

OK, you admit LP was a success. Good enough for me, only took 8 pages. Peace

Hellz yeah it was a success!I was merely saying Capcom lost money on it,and that amount was 40 million dollars to be exact. Peace as well!

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#154 Dualshockin

Member since 2006 • 7826 Posts

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.kcpp2b

It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?

So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.

Good day.

But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?

I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.

Okay,now,I will quote you to prove my point:"Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially..." I agree with that,and that is why I have been debating for the past few pages.Capcom lost 40 million dollars inorder to make LP a success,as stated by that article.They did lose money at some point. Now,must this debate go on since the solution has been found?

Well in investing with real estate and films etc.. it's not called "Loss" so nothing has been lost. It's an investment no what anyone says here. A loss is the last result in which you know you WILL NOT make that money back. With Game investors and investments in gaming, you don't know whether your risk will turn out to be a loss or a profit until aftr the product is released and launched and spent time on the market

Yes,I know that,that is why I agreed on the other post.

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[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Dualshockin

It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?

So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.

Good day.

But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?

You're getting it wrong though ok. Let's maturely talk about it then ok?
They didn't loose the money though. Here is why. It's only considered a lost when the game has stopped being shipped and they still haven't recouped their money and broken even atleast. Then and only then can it be called a lost. Before then it is called an investment. And I don't think capcom pays for the P&A, in the film industry it works that way unless the movie is being produced by the same company as it's distributor like Lionsgate for example.

So basically it's an investment into the project. It can only be deemed surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back.

Ahh,you said it yourself:"It can only be deemed a surefire loss when you can surely say you will not be getting your money back" I dont see why we're still debating over this whilst we clearly understand each other?

OMG you're a flamebait you must be, you're just finding weird things to make an argument now.

It the videogame world and in investing, forget you lost money theory, with investment, it's not a loss just because you invest money. With Capcom it was an investment and they would only claim a "loss" on LP if by let's say early 2008 it sold terrible. They maybe they could claim a loss because they can see they will most likely not get their money back. You can't claim a loss as soon as you invest.

Dude I work in finance and with investors. Don't pretend you do.

A flamebait? Where did I once deliberately "flamebait" ? Dude,we reached a conclusion in our previous posts,yet you still pursue the matter. I have even come to the solution with another user,the post is above this.Read it,and then see what I've been talking about all along.

No I came to realize we're talking about the same thing a while back but it's in your choice of words that I was posting about really. It's not called a Loss and you don't lose money you invest when you invest it. It's a loss when all hope it turning a profit is gone and you know you can claim it as a loss and move on and stop tracking it. Or in Real Estate you just sell it off if you can't get a higher value then what you bought it for, then it is a loss, it's not a loss when you invest in property. That's the point, an investment is an investment into a property or project. I'ts only a loss when that project fails or the propertys numbers under perform to what you thought it would be

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"] Here's an example:I lose 100 dollars at a party,then the next day I find 101 dollars. My 100 dollars is still lost correct?That is what I was saying.Keric_basic

It is not "lost", it is "investing". And that is the point of a business. Do you think you can just walk down the street and open up a store? No, you have to "invest" money to buy/rent space, plus employees, power bill, and merchandise. You make your money back from what you sell. Am I going too fast for you?

So technically ANY company "lost" money (in your terms), making a product, but it is the net profit (profit after taking out all expenses) that matters.

Good day.

But they still did lose money on it at some point after the game launched,correct?It's a form of investing,and they still lost money at some point.... That's why I provided a link proving so.And ease up on the personal insults,we can have a mature debate cant we?

I am not using any personal insults, because apparently you still don't get the point of a business. Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially because without your own money to invest, there is NO business. Every game company loses money on making a game, if they get their money back, then it doesn't matter anymore. You shouldn't be calling out Lost Planet, because every game requires money to make. If there game outsells their loss, it doesn't matter anymore, that is the point of business.

Okay,now,I will quote you to prove my point:"Every company loses money on whatever goods or services they provide initially..." I agree with that,and that is why I have been debating for the past few pages.Capcom lost 40 million dollars inorder to make LP a success,as stated by that article.They did lose money at some point. Now,must this debate go on since the solution has been found?

OK, you admit LP was a success. Good enough for me, only took 8 pages. Peace

lol

Ok kewl

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[QUOTE="geist117"]Glad to see you didn't get banned dualshockin or SW wouldn't have your Fox News to Sony's Bush Whitehouse. Dualshockin

Thanks,I do kind of like Bush(He's rather funny sometimes). But back on topic!Good news for the 360 owners,DMC on 360 will most definately be a great game.

No prob, its good to see people roll with the bad as well as the good when it comes to SW.

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#158 Bleach_is_basic

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Man, that was a great laugh. DualShockin, please go back to elementary math. A "loss" in a financial sense means a net "negative" value from some action. A gain means a net "positive" value from some action. You tried to make that point that that Capcom lost money in a financial sense from Lost Planet. That is incorrect. In no reasonable realistic sense can someone say that Capcom "lost" money on this game.

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To original poster devil may cry 4 is going to 360 and pc and here another link http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167678.html?com_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;7

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#160 LordoverFeind

Member since 2006 • 1041 Posts

[QUOTE="kyacat"]To original poster devil may cry 4 is going to 360 and pc and here another link http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167678.html?com_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;7

I have seen many links on other sites but the one that counts = http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil4/eng/main.html here !! This is not damage control I have a 360 as well I just wish that capcom would update this site is all. When Re4 went to the ps2 the jp site was updated within hours but now there is no change so I am kinda skeptical this close to april 1st.

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#161 lucas_kelly

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This thread is so stupid.

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