Devs may start CANCELLING PS3 titles? OH SNAP.

[QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Developers need to start releasing games and PS3's will sell.... i bought one there are no games other then resistance that i really wanna play.

 

 

Dreams-Visions

not totally true. Of the 30 or so PS3 games out on the market today, only ONE GAME (Resistance) has eclipsed 1 million in copies sold worldwide (1.02 million last I saw). PS3 owners simply aren't buying games enough to make devs feel comfortable, and I don't blame them. One flop game this generation will put many dev houses out of business.

meanwhile, the 360 has like 15 million+ selling games.

not sure about that, so I can't debate that point. All I know is by October, 2006, the 360 had the following games at 1 million+:

CoD2
DoA4
GRAW
Saint's Row
Dead Rising
Madden '07
PD0

maybe one or 2 I'm forgetting. but I can't debate your point on dates, because I have no idea.

its the truth. it took 360 nine months to have a million seller game. ps3 did it in 4 months with resistance.

here is a list of 360s million sellers. it actually has 16..

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

thanks for the help.  I knew it was more than 16.  and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360?  do we have a link to that as well?  I just like clarity. 

Sales fluctuate, the week before this one they went up to 13K. Also when Gundam Musou dropped the sales went up 108%. Sales will go up and down and as games drop it will only help.

Javy03

The week before this one was a holiday that temporarily halted a 9-week decline in sales for the PS3. As we can see by the current sales of under 9k, the DISASTROUS DOWNWARD TREND has resumed. God knows where it will bottom out. 8k? 6k? 5k? ( :lol: )

Sales will go up and down, but they won't be statistically relevant compared to the DS and Wii. Ever. As games drop for Wii it will make the competition less and less relevant. Japan is over, don't even entertain this delusion.

The PS3 is in a doomed cycle right now, Its not selling because theres no games....but no games are coming out because its not selling. Hyper-Chicken

yea i said this same exact thing on page 2. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

Sales fluctuate, the week before this one they went up to 13K. Also when Gundam Musou dropped the sales went up 108%. Sales will go up and down and as games drop it will only help.

hellsing321

Even with the flucuations they are still much lower than anyone expected. The Wii is decimating the competition in Japan, and Sony has no big games to combat it for months in Japan.

Wii is a different console with different games.  Thats why Call of duty and Need for speed sold horribly on the Wii but good on the PS3 and 360.  The same kind of games that sell on one wont necessarily sell on the other.  As for what sales were expected, most people have unrealistic expecations, in the end porting a game doesnt really add too much to cost and only gives you more of a chance to make money.  Even with the PS2s dominance most of its 3rd party games were still multiplat shared with GC and Xbox with their much smaller userbase, I dont think either console will have as small a userbase as the Xbox and GC so I dont see games not going multiplat and being exclusive to the 360 with its no fanbase in Japan and the last batch of sales in march in the U.K. showed PS3 still outselling the 360, I dont think it would have changed too much seeing as how 3 out of the 10 million was in Europe showing that 360 sells well in NA and not Japan or Europe. 

The PS3 is in a doomed cycle right now, Its not selling because theres no games....but no games are coming out because its not selling. Hyper-Chicken

[QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

not sure about that, so I can't debate that point. All I know is by October, 2006, the 360 had the following games at 1 million+:

CoD2
DoA4
GRAW
Saint's Row
Dead Rising
Madden '07
PD0

maybe one or 2 I'm forgetting. but I can't debate your point on dates, because I have no idea.

Dreams-Visions

its the truth. it took 360 nine months to have a million seller game. ps3 did it in 4 months with resistance.

here is a list of 360s million sellers. it actually has 16..

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

thanks for the help. I knew it was more than 10. and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360? do we have a link to that as well? I just like clarity.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

well according to this it actually took 10 months to have a million seller.

its the truth. it took 360 nine months to have a million seller game. ps3 did it in 4 months with resistance.

InfamousC

according to Wiki, that honor may actually go to either GRAW or Oblivion.  Oblivion had 1.7 million in combined sales 1 month after release.  But who knows?  Chances are both systems appear to have hit that million-mark around the same time.  We'll see if Lair or Heavenly Sword deliver million-sales exclusives.  If not, we'll probably be waiting until UT3 or R&C come out.

and regardless, let's not forget attachment rate.  the 360 attachment rate has always been stupid-high.  early on, they said it wouldn't hold like that over time, but it has. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

Sales fluctuate, the week before this one they went up to 13K. Also when Gundam Musou dropped the sales went up 108%. Sales will go up and down and as games drop it will only help.

Iyethar

The week before this one was a holiday that temporarily halted a 9-week decline in sales for the PS3. As we can see by the current sales of under 9k, the DISASTROUS DOWNWARD TREND has resumed. God knows where it will bottom out. 8k? 6k? 5k? ( :lol: )

Sales will go up and down, but they won't be statistically relevant compared to the DS and Wii. Ever. As games drop for Wii it will make the competition less and less relevant. Japan is over, don't even entertain this delusion.

Wii is a different console with a different audience and different games.  Devs who make the same game on the PS3 and port it to the Wii have found failure like Call of Duty and Need for Speed and so far from what I have seen Call of Duty 4 excludes the Wii.  The PS3 doesnt have to beat the DS or the Wii just like the PS2 didnt have to beat the GBA, they are different gaming machines with different games after a different audience.  The PS3 sales will go up, trust me Japan is not just gonna play mini games and party games on the DS and Wii and ignore all the big games coming out to the PS3 like FFXIII, FFversus, RE5, GT, etc...  This is a slow selling time during the year. 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

not sure about that, so I can't debate that point. All I know is by October, 2006, the 360 had the following games at 1 million+:

CoD2
DoA4
GRAW
Saint's Row
Dead Rising
Madden '07
PD0

maybe one or 2 I'm forgetting. but I can't debate your point on dates, because I have no idea.

InfamousC

its the truth. it took 360 nine months to have a million seller game. ps3 did it in 4 months with resistance.

here is a list of 360s million sellers. it actually has 16..

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

thanks for the help. I knew it was more than 10. and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360? do we have a link to that as well? I just like clarity.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

well according to this it actually took 10 months to have a million seller.

I found this link, which suggests otherwise, possibly:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/12/call-of-duty-2-is-first-game-to-sell-1m-units-on-xbox-360/

"Wikipedia also recognizes Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion as performing the same feat in less time."

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

not sure about that, so I can't debate that point. All I know is by October, 2006, the 360 had the following games at 1 million+:

CoD2
DoA4
GRAW
Saint's Row
Dead Rising
Madden '07
PD0

maybe one or 2 I'm forgetting. but I can't debate your point on dates, because I have no idea.

InfamousC

its the truth. it took 360 nine months to have a million seller game. ps3 did it in 4 months with resistance.

here is a list of 360s million sellers. it actually has 16..

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

thanks for the help. I knew it was more than 10. and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360? do we have a link to that as well? I just like clarity.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

well according to this it actually took 10 months to have a million seller.

[QUOTE="InfamousC"]i wont believe it until i see it. ps3 is getting exclusives announced daily. like now haze is coming exclusively to ps3 and ubisoft has announced they have another exclusive ps3 title in the works. ps3 simply is not selling right now because developers are not releasing enough games on the system. release the games and the gamers will come.latinrage69

wait a minute. weren't you and the rest of the cows saying that ubisoft were crap developers about a week ago? and now you're praising them for announcing one game exclusive to the ps3? are you cows schizophrenic or just brain-dead?

well ubisoft doesnt actually make haze... and they were just using excuses to not port splinter cell to ps3.

Unfortunately, almost half of the games that you point to as "francise defining" games have made the multiplat jump...undoubtedly because of sales question marks. Dreams-Visions

Yes some are to be available on other systems, but who's to say there aren't people out there who would by the PS3 version due to the familiarity of the franchise on the Playstation consoles.  The more games they pull from the system the less it's going to sell.  A console can't sell based on PR talk alone.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] Unfortunately, almost half of the games that you point to as "francise defining" games have made the multiplat jump...undoubtedly because of sales question marks. DementedDragon

Yes some are to be available on other systems, but who's to say there aren't people out there who would by the PS3 version due to the familiarity of the franchise on the Playstation consoles.  The more games they pull from the system the less it's going to sell.  A console can't sell based on PR talk alone.

PS2 sold based on PR talk alone that first year.  Their PR team was devestating...a sledgehammer.

Now isn't later, I don't really see a trend, the only thing I see is that nothing worthwhile has been released on the playstation console for the past month or two. It's in a 'mini-drought'; what bothers me about these 'trumpets of doom' is that they completely ignore the future and what's to come for the system. Some of the games that defined the playstation franchise have yet to be released (DMC, GTA, GT, MGS, FF, etc.) in addition to an impressive line-up on Sony's part with their first party teams. If analysts are counting out the PS3 now, they're in for a treat.DementedDragon

 so when was gta ever exclusive to sony? gta1 and 2 came out on pc and the gta games that were on ps2 were out on xbox as well. i dont understand why ppl keep posting how gta was exclusive to sony when that was never the case.

i hope sony picks up. imagine if MS was the only console industry out there. they would dictate on the prices and what quality games should be without competition. same goes for sony if they were the only gaming industry out there. blames the fakeboys who praise sony but hasnt yet to buy a ps3..all your fault. go buy one instead of waiting for the price drop. JOKE (yes i know horrible joke)

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

thanks for the help.  I knew it was more than 16.  and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360?  do we have a link to that as well?  I just like clarity. 

pundog

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

it took 10 months actually...

i wont believe it until i see it. ps3 is getting exclusives announced daily. like now haze is coming exclusively to ps3 and ubisoft has announced they have another exclusive ps3 title in the works. ps3 simply is not selling right now because developers are not releasing enough games on the system. release the games and the gamers will come.InfamousC

haze exclusivity is rumor. 

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

thanks for the help. I knew it was more than 16. and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360? do we have a link to that as well? I just like clarity.

InfamousC

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

it took 10 months actually...

according to this , there is some debate on the matter, making your point an unprovable one based on the information we've presented so far in this thread.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Developers need to start releasing games and PS3's will sell.... i bought one there are no games other then resistance that i really wanna play.

SergeantSnitch

not totally true. Of the 30 or so PS3 games out on the market today, only ONE GAME (Resistance) has eclipsed 1 million in copies sold worldwide (1.02 million last I saw). PS3 owners simply aren't buying games enough to make devs feel comfortable, and I don't blame them. One flop game this generation will put many dev houses out of business.

meanwhile, the 360 has like 15 million+ selling games.

Here's my plan to save Sony:

1. Immediately swap development of Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 (we all know its coming), so that Insomniac is developing Killzone 2 and Guerilla is developing Resistance 2 regardless of any delays this causes. Killzone is a more valuable franchise and Insomniac has proven they can pull off a good FPS, Guerilla hasn't.
2. Delay Lair until 2008. Unless they know something I haven't seen so far in the previews and videos, Lair looks like at best a low AA game, and thats being generous. The gameplay looks like all you do is fly around spamming fireballs. As one GS poster put it "It looks like 3D galaga with dragons". Plus that way they could a) time the release with MGS4 and FFXIII and b) add in some multiplayer, which Lair is screaming for.
3. Start charging for PSN. Make it cheap like 10 or 20 bucks a year, but its an easy source of money and after losing 2 billion they need it. Or keep PSN free but charge for Home, again they need the money.
4. Create Xbox like standards making it mandatory for all games to have an online component.
5. Start offering incentives for companies to make good ports/multiplats for the PS3. They have the advantage of Blu Ray, make sure they use it!
6. Find a good way to tie together the PS3 and PSP. A great way to do this would be to make a portable version of GT5 where you can play one career on both games, and just sync the two platforms whenever necessary.
7. Get GTA 5, FFXIII and beyond and MGS 4 and beyond locked up as PS3 exclusives, those 4 franchises alone can keep a company running.

pundog

I agree and disagree with some of your points.

1). I guess...

2). the delay might actually hurt the ps3, but if it gets delayed for an online componet, its probally for the better.

3). Charging for home, $10 a year is fine, not expensive at all. less than a dollar a month. The only problem i see with this is that SW will be filled with "LOLZ, HOME IS $10 A YEAR!!! TCHBO!!11"

4). I really dont think sony is in a place to be demanding anything, only loyal devs might actually listen.

5).I dont really know what kind of incentive sony would give them, because the cost to develop to meet standards is pretty high, maybe if they raise the budget and get a bigger share of the sales or something...

6). Thats a pretty good idea, or like how the dreamcast did(i think it did this), for sport games, choose the gameplan on the PSP so that your opponent cant see what you are doing. Or create DLC where the PSP is a huge part of the game.

7). They might be able to for the current gen, but im not sure about the next depending on how successful they are.

Wii is a different console with a different audience and different games. Devs who make the same game on the PS3 and port it to the Wii have found failure like Call of Duty and Need for Speed and so far from what I have seen Call of Duty 4 excludes the Wii. The PS3 doesnt have to beat the DS or the Wii just like the PS2 didnt have to beat the GBA, they are different gaming machines with different games after a different audience. The PS3 sales will go up, trust me Japan is not just gonna play mini games and party games on the DS and Wii and ignore all the big games coming out to the PS3 like FFXIII, FFversus, RE5, GT, etc... This is a slow selling time during the year.

Javy03

FFXIII has the potential to drive the PS3 to GameCube levels of success in Japan.  That's basically it - the entire PS3 library of software has been outsold by one title: Wii Sports.

Wii is the one relevant home console in Japan.  The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be. 

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

thanks for the help.  I knew it was more than 16.  and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360?  do we have a link to that as well?  I just like clarity. 

InfamousC

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

it took 10 months actually...

  so when was gta ever exclusive to sony? gta1 and 2 came out on pc and the gta games that were on ps2 were out on xbox as well. i dont understand why ppl keep posting how gta was exclusive to sony when that was never the case.istreakforfood

I never said GTA was exclusive, hell i've never even played a single game in the series; but I know it was one of the most popular franchises on the PS2 this past generation.  It really made a name for itself in the casual world; my mother will be 51 next month and she's hooked on 'Vice City Stories' on her PSP.

Well I can not see PS3 going from 82k to 100k+ this month with no big titles comming out.Eltroz

PS2 sold based on PR talk alone that first year.  Their PR team was devestating...a sledgehammer.

Dreams-Visions

This was the successor to argueably the most successful console of all time; it was either it or the Gamecube (at the time)  The Dreamcast could've made a dent if SEGA would've pressed on.  And in it's first year i'm pretty sure there were heavy hitters like Tekken Tag, GT3 (A-Spec), Onimusha, Madden, Need for Speed and plenty of others that helped stir those sales; other than the flapping jaws of PR 'folk.'

Edit:  I meant 'gamecube.'

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

Wii is a different console with a different audience and different games. Devs who make the same game on the PS3 and port it to the Wii have found failure like Call of Duty and Need for Speed and so far from what I have seen Call of Duty 4 excludes the Wii. The PS3 doesnt have to beat the DS or the Wii just like the PS2 didnt have to beat the GBA, they are different gaming machines with different games after a different audience. The PS3 sales will go up, trust me Japan is not just gonna play mini games and party games on the DS and Wii and ignore all the big games coming out to the PS3 like FFXIII, FFversus, RE5, GT, etc... This is a slow selling time during the year.

Iyethar

FFXIII has the potential to drive the PS3 to GameCube levels of success in Japan.  That's basically it - the entire PS3 library of software has been outsold by one title: Wii Sports.

Wii is the one relevant home console in Japan.  The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be. 

wow i love how the topic starter just seemed to acceidentally not include this

"Nevertheless, I don't think we'll see many third party games that are currently being developed for both PS3 and Xbox 360 drop their PS3 SKUs, even if Sony has multiple months under 100,000 units sold. The reason is threefold: Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot estimates the cost of a port adds just 10 percent to the cost of development; marketing budgets don't increase significantly with the addition of another SKU"

what we can discern from this read is that neither geoff keighley or N'Gai Croal are anything more than journalists. and journalist have a job. whats that job you say? creating storeis for people to read, so they get more advertising dollars. the reality is this story will be posted by every single fanboy wanting to stick it to PS3 owners...claiming evidence of the fisrt step in the death of the console.

whic in turn ends in clicks that convert to business in ads.

i remember watching n'croal trash the 360 and call it  an "xbox 1.5" on g4tv...and i didnt see any 360 purchasers posting that up.

the reality is in a year when the ps3 is selling alot better and will be qued to surpass the 360 and tie with the Wii in year two....we will all be looking back and laughing at this stuff and wondering "man...remember all the lamoes who kept predicting the PS3's death?? what happenned to them?"

grow up guys...lets get back to talking about the games..... 

[QUOTE="InfamousC"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

thanks for the help.  I knew it was more than 16.  and are we sure it took 9 months for the 360?  do we have a link to that as well?  I just like clarity. 

pundog

http://kotaku.com/gaming/call-of-duty-2/call-of-duty-2-founds-xbox-360-million-seller-club-200231.php

it took 10 months actually...

 Way to go C, master of selective reading. Owned again...

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

Wii is a different console with a different audience and different games. Devs who make the same game on the PS3 and port it to the Wii have found failure like Call of Duty and Need for Speed and so far from what I have seen Call of Duty 4 excludes the Wii. The PS3 doesnt have to beat the DS or the Wii just like the PS2 didnt have to beat the GBA, they are different gaming machines with different games after a different audience. The PS3 sales will go up, trust me Japan is not just gonna play mini games and party games on the DS and Wii and ignore all the big games coming out to the PS3 like FFXIII, FFversus, RE5, GT, etc... This is a slow selling time during the year.

kage_53

FFXIII has the potential to drive the PS3 to GameCube levels of success in Japan. That's basically it - the entire PS3 library of software has been outsold by one title: Wii Sports.

Wii is the one relevant home console in Japan. The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be.

[QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Developers need to start releasing games and PS3's will sell.... i bought one there are no games other then resistance that i really wanna play.

 

 

Dreams-Visions

not totally true. Of the 30 or so PS3 games out on the market today, only ONE GAME (Resistance) has eclipsed 1 million in copies sold worldwide (1.02 million last I saw). PS3 owners simply aren't buying games enough to make devs feel comfortable, and I don't blame them. One flop game this generation will put many dev houses out of business.

meanwhile, the 360 has like 15 million+ selling games.

Well, it took about the same time it took the 360 for it to sell it's first one million copy of a game (if not longer for the 360). But eventually, as better games started coming out. Game started selling more and more. I'm pretty sure the same thing will happen with the ps3. And what the hell do you mean by 15 million+ selling games? The 360 just bearly sold over 10 million so far....

And actually, resistance sold 1.29 million so far. Clearly showing devs how well a good game on the ps3 can sell.... 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Developers need to start releasing games and PS3's will sell.... i bought one there are no games other then resistance that i really wanna play.

 

 

munu9

not totally true. Of the 30 or so PS3 games out on the market today, only ONE GAME (Resistance) has eclipsed 1 million in copies sold worldwide (1.02 million last I saw). PS3 owners simply aren't buying games enough to make devs feel comfortable, and I don't blame them. One flop game this generation will put many dev houses out of business.

meanwhile, the 360 has like 15 million+ selling games.

Well, it took about the same time it took the 360 for it to sell it's first one million copy of a game (if not longer for the 360). But eventually, as better games started coming out. Game started selling more and more. I'm pretty sure the same thing will happen with the ps3. And what the hell do you mean by 15 million+ selling games? The 360 just bearly sold over 10 million so far....

 He means 15 games that have sold a million copies or more.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Developers need to start releasing games and PS3's will sell.... i bought one there are no games other then resistance that i really wanna play.

 

 

munu9

not totally true. Of the 30 or so PS3 games out on the market today, only ONE GAME (Resistance) has eclipsed 1 million in copies sold worldwide (1.02 million last I saw). PS3 owners simply aren't buying games enough to make devs feel comfortable, and I don't blame them. One flop game this generation will put many dev houses out of business.

meanwhile, the 360 has like 15 million+ selling games.

Well, it took about the same time it took the 360 for it to sell it's first one million copy of a game (if not longer for the 360). But eventually, as better games started coming out. Game started selling more and more. I'm pretty sure the same thing will happen with the ps3. And what the hell do you mean by 15 million+ selling games? The 360 just bearly sold over 10 million so far....

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Developers need to start releasing games and PS3's will sell.... i bought one there are no games other then resistance that i really wanna play.

 

 

pundog

not totally true. Of the 30 or so PS3 games out on the market today, only ONE GAME (Resistance) has eclipsed 1 million in copies sold worldwide (1.02 million last I saw). PS3 owners simply aren't buying games enough to make devs feel comfortable, and I don't blame them. One flop game this generation will put many dev houses out of business.

meanwhile, the 360 has like 15 million+ selling games.

Well, it took about the same time it took the 360 for it to sell it's first one million copy of a game (if not longer for the 360). But eventually, as better games started coming out. Game started selling more and more. I'm pretty sure the same thing will happen with the ps3. And what the hell do you mean by 15 million+ selling games? The 360 just bearly sold over 10 million so far....

correct. 

With Sony outright blaming the poor PS3 sales on a poor software library, I don't really see them reaching out a hand to give the developers a break, or an incentive to work harder on PS3 titles.  With the huge development costs and the poor sales, developers might as well develop even more games for the *GBA* which is selling more than the PS3 and has a huge install base. 

It was up to Sony to establish a strong start and sell their systems like mad.  Developers expected it, Sony expected it, everyone else expected it.  Reality is sinking in fast, and the reality is that developers will make more money developing something for any other system out there that's still being sold.  Any of them!  The PS3 is dead last in sales and in market growth!  It's insane.

wow i love how the topic starter just seemed to acceidentally not include this

 

"Nevertheless, I don't think we'll see many third party games that are currently being developed for both PS3 and Xbox 360 drop their PS3 SKUs, even if Sony has multiple months under 100,000 units sold. The reason is threefold: Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot estimates the cost of a port adds just 10 percent to the cost of development; marketing budgets don't increase significantly with the addition of another SKU"

flood

I didn't neglect to include it. what I posted was what he's been hearing industry executives say. what you posted is simply his take on the matter. I didn't feel like his personal opinion was as significant as what he says industry execs have actually been saying, you know? I posted the FACT...not the OPINION.

I hope that makes sense.  not coming at you...just claifying, since you came at me. 

Funny part is cows turned the thread from how PS3 really needs to start selling more to how many games 360 has sold. Hat tip to that trickEltroz

I hope nobody brings the software attach ratios into the thread.  that's where the truth is really troubling for the PS3 at present.  some here have said most of the games are ports...but most of the early 360 games were ports of lastGen games, and they still sold.  

PS3 owners need to start buying games, pronto.  that's the only way devs will begin to feel confident in the platform. 

[QUOTE="flood"]

wow i love how the topic starter just seemed to acceidentally not include this

 

"Nevertheless, I don't think we'll see many third party games that are currently being developed for both PS3 and Xbox 360 drop their PS3 SKUs, even if Sony has multiple months under 100,000 units sold. The reason is threefold: Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot estimates the cost of a port adds just 10 percent to the cost of development; marketing budgets don't increase significantly with the addition of another SKU"

Dreams-Visions

I didn't neglect to include it.  what I posted was what he's been hearing industry executives say.  what you posted is simply his take on the matter.  I didn't feel like his personal opinion was as significant as what he says industry execs have actually been saying, you know?  I posted the FACT...not the OPINION. 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="flood"]

wow i love how the topic starter just seemed to acceidentally not include this

 

"Nevertheless, I don't think we'll see many third party games that are currently being developed for both PS3 and Xbox 360 drop their PS3 SKUs, even if Sony has multiple months under 100,000 units sold. The reason is threefold: Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot estimates the cost of a port adds just 10 percent to the cost of development; marketing budgets don't increase significantly with the addition of another SKU"

kage_53

I didn't neglect to include it. what I posted was what he's been hearing industry executives say. what you posted is simply his take on the matter. I didn't feel like his personal opinion was as significant as what he says industry execs have actually been saying, you know? I posted the FACT...not the OPINION.

Yes, but one dev doesn't = all devs.  Unless we plan on suggesting that the end of his article negates the beginning?  I don't see a contradiction; I just see Ubisoft speaking for Ubisoft.

 Now if MGS4 and FFXIII are delayed to next year and PS3 just keeps getting mediocre titles for the rest of this year it'll be too late for the PS3, other platforms will have gotten to far ahead. themyth01

 I remember a cow earlier today that kep chiming in with bu bu bu PS3 will have 100 titles by Jan 08. Heck the PS3 videogame cases at work are already overfilled with current titles, what would they do with 100 more?

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Funny part is cows turned the thread from how PS3 really needs to start selling more to how many games 360 has sold. Hat tip to that trickDreams-Visions

I hope nobody brings the software attach ratios into the thread. that's where the truth is really troubling for the PS3 at present. some here have said most of the games are ports...but most of the early 360 games were ports of lastGen games, and they still sold.

PS3 owners need to start buying games, pronto. that's the only way devs will begin to feel confident in the platform.

its not fair to the consumers to buy games you dont like or already own to get 3rd party dev. support. basically donating money to sony(big corporation) to stay alive in gaming industry. 

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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]Funny part is cows turned the thread from how PS3 really needs to start selling more to how many games 360 has sold. Hat tip to that trickistreakforfood

I hope nobody brings the software attach ratios into the thread. that's where the truth is really troubling for the PS3 at present. some here have said most of the games are ports...but most of the early 360 games were ports of lastGen games, and they still sold.

PS3 owners need to start buying games, pronto. that's the only way devs will begin to feel confident in the platform.

its not fair to the consumers to buy games you dont like or already own to get 3rd party dev. support. basically donating money to sony(big corporation) to stay alive in gaming industry.

I mean...I don't know what else to say or suggest.  Solid games like Motorstorm and Oblivion have yet to hit 1 million sold.  Maybe they never will.  Lair looks like Rogue Squadron with a little less fun and a fresh coat of paint.  I feel like the fortunes of the franchise lay on R&C, Heavenly Sword and HOME this year.  concerning.

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wow i love how the topic starter just seemed to acceidentally not include this

 

"Nevertheless, I don't think we'll see many third party games that are currently being developed for both PS3 and Xbox 360 drop their PS3 SKUs, even if Sony has multiple months under 100,000 units sold. The reason is threefold: Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot estimates the cost of a port adds just 10 percent to the cost of development; marketing budgets don't increase significantly with the addition of another SKU"

Dreams-Visions

I didn't neglect to include it. what I posted was what he's been hearing industry executives say. what you posted is simply his take on the matter. I didn't feel like his personal opinion was as significant as what he says industry execs have actually been saying, you know? I posted the FACT...not the OPINION.

Yes, but one dev doesn't = all devs. Unless we plan on suggesting that the end of his article negates the beginning? I don't see a contradiction; I just see Ubisoft speaking for Ubisoft.

Yes and one or some industry exec. doesnt = all industry exec.  He gives no names for his sources or how many he spoke too.  He just names what he claims his souces say.  The whole post is opinion and faith with no fact because there are no listed sources to back up the claims made about support.  As we have seen every dev has a different opinion on support for a system and how much or little they will give.  That post over generalizing an entire industry is far from "fact".