DF: Xbox One X at Gamescom - Enhanced Games Previewed!

You're right, too bad lem hypocrites don't see things this way.

If PS4 Pro isn't a true 4K console then neither is the XboneX.

Agreed.

so i guess the original Xbox One was always a true 1080p console just like the PS4?..

Well, I noticed @primorandomguy mentioned earlier in this thread that cows said "there are no native 4K games on X1X." Then @Zero_epyon was wondering which cow said that? So I dug up a few cows who jumped the gun early claiming it only had 1 game...lmfao. Looks like this thread proved them wrong :)

By shitty lems logic neither were true 1080p consoles lol.

You guys' words not mine.

X1X has better 4K rendering handling over PS4 Pro.

False.

NVIDIA's DSR is effectively Super Sample AA i.e. render the game at higher resolution and displaying it on normal 1080p HDTVs.

SSAA has benefits for normal 1080p HDTVs. SSAA has more sample data to resolve AA and it goes well with max AF.

@Antwan3K:

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I simply quoted Digital Foundry who did an analysis at Gamescom and reported their findings today.. Again, if you have a problem with that, take it up with them..

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It's not the first time that DF counted pixels wrongly in some games. So, F1 is Checkerboad 4k confirmed by Codemasters.

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Digital Foundry looks at around 10 games from Gamescom 2017, says every game aside from Quantum Break is native 4K,

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Every game besides QB are 4k native? Care to elaborate which games? I see at least 2 non-native 4k games. So, you claim that dynamic 4k or checkerboard 4k are native 4k? LOL

Xbone fans are so desperate to spin things.

@primorandomguy:

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Quackknight and pinkanimal, and others I can't remember. They call it the faux box console.

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Cuz it is. QB is 1440p. F1 and Ass Creed Origins are checkerboard 4k. So, according to term provided by Xbone fans XboneX is faux4k.

Both the Pro and the X are 4k machines, but none is true 4k. And by being true I mean hitting 4k at every game. But by now we should acknowledge the the X is able to surpass the Pro by a good margin.

Hey! I noticed you only picked games you wanted to pick! So I'm here to help you add the rest of those games buddy ole pal! :)

Gears of War 4 will be native 4K

Killer Instinct will be native 4K

Shadow of War will be native 4K

Path of Exile will be native 4K

Rise of Tomb Raider will be native 4K

Did I lose you or you're still reading? I know your tiny squirrel brain can't process logic.

World of Tanks will be native 4K

Forza Motorsports 7 will be native 4K

Halo Wars 2 will be native 4K

Super Lucky's Tale will be native 4K

Halo 5 will be native 4K

Ori & the Will of the Wisps will be native 4K

Hey squirrel brain, notice how many titles say "native 4K". The hardcore cows sure love spending more time bashing Microsoft over actually playing what they have...lol.

It does seem like some cows got caught by the udders

Really excited for this as well. **** me if there's a 60 fps mode, I have to save my third playthrough for it! :D

@ryu_silveira:

Hey worm brain, it's easy to pick native 4k games and spin that XboneX is a true 4k console. So can i do that for Pro. Noticed how QB, Ass Creed, F1, Titanfall 2, GeOW 4 MP campaign aren't native 4k? So it's not true 4k console, it's Faux4k console, like you Xbone fans claimed for Pro.

Got a problem with that?

Can't be fake 4K when it's clearly showing more and more native 4K titles before release...lol. And I'm not just an Xbox fan, I'm a gamer so I appreciate the good and bad with any system or my PC. You on the other hand reek of being a hardcore fanboy...be gone squirrel brain!

@Epak_: Yeah I'll be starting my second playthrough on the X... can't wait.

@ryu_silveira:

You're a gamer, but you calling me a fanboy! Pathetic. LOL!

Of course that XboneX will have more native 4k games, cuz, guess what, it's coming a year later and it's a more powerfull console. Duh! I'd never said that XboneX won't have more 4k games than Pro.

If XboneX can't push every game in native 4k, then it's not true 4k console. Dynamic 4k, checkerborded CAN'T be a true 4k, it's faux4k, like Xbone fans calling a Pro. As long XboneX has games with those type of 4k resolutions, it's FAUX4K console.

Nah you're a hardcore fanboy...lmao. You consistently spend your time on here bashing Microsoft 90% of the time. Your tears are great for seasoning my steak :)

@ryu_silveira:

If i'm a fanboy, then you're a fanboy too.

No GPU is 100 percent 4K even the mighty GTX 1080 Ti or Titan XP. What's important is the effective gap between X1X and POS4Pro.

F1 2017 was 4K native with dropping below 60 fps..

@ryu_silveira said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

And that's the gist of it. Lems come in here, and in threads like these in general, and claim "ownage this, ownage that", when in reality their precious new console has one (1), single, solitary game that is confirmed to run at actual "true" 4k. One game. On their "true 4k console without compromise". And a racing game on top of that.

Bottom line, they hyped this thing up to the moon and back and now they're hurting. Plain and simple.

@pinkanimal said:

In that case the Pro is also capable of True 4k. In fact it has more True 4k games now than those confirmed for the X1X. So why was that hypocrite of Spencer and lemmings claiming the Pro is not a True 4k machine and the X1X is?

@Syn_Valence said:

Lemmings are just pathetic. They release the XXX a year late 100 dollars more and it still can't hit 4k. I think Sony has successfully snag Microsoft in its trap. Its up too Microsoft NOT Sony to provide 4k content. I mean, "its the most powerful console ever" yet it still performs like a Pro. GOOD LUCK LOSERS!!!

Well, I noticed @primorandomguy mentioned earlier in this thread that cows said "there are no native 4K games on X1X." Then @Zero_epyon was wondering which cow said that? So I dug up a few cows who jumped the gun early claiming it only had 1 game...lmfao. Looks like this thread proved them wrong :)

Dude, digging up something from the past, when the statement was true at the time (at least in my case), and then putting it forth in the present, when new information has updated that truth does not prove anything wrong. It proves things happened since then.

Anyway. The main argument is X1X doing games native 4k@60fps, as many lems claimed it would on game after game after game (non indie). That is not happening, and if it is, it is veeeeery few and far between. Thus lems owning themselves way before the X1X even releases.

Nope, you're a HARDCORE fanboy; get it right squirrel...lol. You see, I like Xbox for the good and the bad it has. I like Playstation for the good and the bad it has. I also like Nintendo for the...can you guess squirrel? Good and the bad :)

I defend more the Xbox because on these forums it's shown as the underdog. I like rooting for the underdog. You just bash and criticize without ever actually acknowledging or praising Microsoft; good or bad, you just bash it because you have a hate for them and prefer your choice of console strongly over anything else making you a hardcore fanboy.

@ronvalencia:

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F1 2017 was 4K native with dropping below 60 fps..

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Because you're usually wrong on everything, so, it's 4k checkerboard on XboneX. As Codemasters dev said.

Codemasters also stated 4K native after the port.

I correct on X1X having ROPS/RBE upgrade based from degraded GTX 1080 Ti at 6.5 TFLOPS and Forzatech wet track results and ARC Survival .

I correct on X1X being superior to R9-390X and RX-480 OC based on Forzatech wet track and ARC Survival .

I was correct on ROTR being native 4K based on my R9-390X results. Devs already claims this.

I was correct on WOT being native 4K based on my R9-390X results. Devs already claims this.

I was correct on Killer Instinct being native 4K based on somebody's R9-290X results (reaching 55 fps average) .

I was correct on Path of Exilebeing native 4K. Devs already claims this.

I was correct on Gears of War 4 Campaign mode being native 4K based on R9-390X to GeForce 980 TI results. Devs already claims this.

I was correct on Shadow of War being native 4K based on Shadow of Mordor R9-390X to GeForce 980 TI results.

For the record

Solid 60 fps requirement would have caused 4K CB with GPUs starting from Fury X and lesser GPUs with a cut off point at RX-480

@ryu_silveira:

Fanboy is a fanboy, hardcore or not. You called me a fanboy, then you are too. Yes, the sooner Xbone dies, the better. Then after that, you can defend Nintendo.

@ronvalencia: Bullshit. They are both FauxK consoles.

You're a sad clown and a hypocrite Wrongvalencia.

Which is probably less annoying than an altboy. What's wrong with you people always coming back with new accounts? Just move on.

So much hate comments..

I agree with the guy that said "ps4 pro and xbox one x require being connected to a 4k hdr tv in order of seeing beneficts in image quality that wont show on 1080p tv. this make them 4k consoles".

Its really simple both pro and one x are 4k consoles that make use of 4k Tvs.

And again. 1440p 1660p and 1800p natives checkboarded to 2160 (4k) delivers great results. Its not worlds apart compared to 4k.

Its better 4k native. yes. Its a huge difference from checkerboard? no

@reduc_ab_ said:

@ryu_silveira said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

And that's the gist of it. Lems come in here, and in threads like these in general, and claim "ownage this, ownage that", when in reality their precious new console has one (1), single, solitary game that is confirmed to run at actual "true" 4k. One game. On their "true 4k console without compromise". And a racing game on top of that.

Bottom line, they hyped this thing up to the moon and back and now they're hurting. Plain and simple.

@pinkanimal said:

In that case the Pro is also capable of True 4k. In fact it has more True 4k games now than those confirmed for the X1X. So why was that hypocrite of Spencer and lemmings claiming the Pro is not a True 4k machine and the X1X is?

@Syn_Valence said:

Lemmings are just pathetic. They release the XXX a year late 100 dollars more and it still can't hit 4k. I think Sony has successfully snag Microsoft in its trap. Its up too Microsoft NOT Sony to provide 4k content. I mean, "its the most powerful console ever" yet it still performs like a Pro. GOOD LUCK LOSERS!!!

Well, I noticed @primorandomguy mentioned earlier in this thread that cows said "there are no native 4K games on X1X." Then @Zero_epyon was wondering which cow said that? So I dug up a few cows who jumped the gun early claiming it only had 1 game...lmfao. Looks like this thread proved them wrong :)

Dude, digging up something from the past, when the statement was true at the time (at least in my case), and then putting it forth in the present, when new information has updated that truth does not prove anything wrong. It proves things happened since then.

Anyway. The main argument is X1X doing games native 4k@60fps, as many lems claimed it would on game after game after game (non indie). That is not happening, and if it is, it is veeeeery few and far between. Thus lems owning themselves way before the X1X even releases.

Now it's 4K AND 60 frames? Hahaha okay I guess. I own a 1080 Ti Aorus Extreme Edition for my PC and a 4K LG 27 inch IPS monitor and I can't even do 60 frames in some games I play on PC. Playerunknown's Battleground I can hit 50-55 frames on max settings in 4K. The Division I can hit 60 frames with some minor dips. So how I pulled some people claiming so, I'm sure we can find the morons aka "many lems claimed" that every game would be 4K 60 frames...lmfao.

It's best for people to keep quiet and not say stuff and wait until it's release because it'll come back to bite them in the ass half of the time and then they'll either try to save face and not admit fault or make up excuses...Some people on here need to learn to admit when they're wrong. Cows, lems, sheep, people...lol.

@ronvalencia:

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Codemasters also stated 4K native after the port.

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Later Codemasters devs said it will use 4k checkerboard on XboneX.

I'm "Kinky Unikorn". I made this one because I wanted this name and you can't do a name change. My other account isn't even banned or anything, just stopped using it, so way to look like a fool...lmfao.

GamesCom's F1 demo was running at 4K. Normal CB has edge artifacts.

Gravity Rush's native 4K geometry edge with less shader resolution render method is harder to detect e.g. Gravity Rush has native 4K geometry edge with 1920x1080p shader resolution render.

Native geometry 4K render with 4K CB shader render would be even harder to detect than Gravity Rush's method. Native geometry 4K render with 4K CB shader render is the best 4K CB method that has the potential to defeat diagonal line test. Geometry at 4K will guide the checkboard pixel reconstruction.

There's many methods for 4K CB.

It's like you just live in some fantasy world, I already quoted you about Quantum Break twice and you just ignored it both times because it's insanely damaging to your posts.

P.S. The newest information we have has F1 2017 operating at native 4K.

@endofaugust:

Sorry, Codemasters dev said otherwise. Wanna bet in account?

And QB is 1440p on XboneX, cheers! You can spin how you want, but it's 1440p

Your posts are so egregiously ignorant and you're just being obtuse... You just ignore everything said, provide no real counters and keep spamming nonsense.

The newest piece of information we have about F1 2017 has the game running natively at 4K, that's just a fact, you can't debate that. Digital Foundry clearly doesn't understand Quantum Break's renderer and reconstruction buffers, I do, and it always outputs 2/3rd's of the selected resolution. If the game has a 4K pixel count which they believe it to have then that means the game is rendering at 3136x1764, not 2560x1440...

Atm, GamesCom's information is the latest visual feed information and CB artifacts wasn't detected.

My ARC Survival example wasn't even 4K. I don't support X1X being a static 4K gaming box.

One can't be a hypocrite when different games has different results.

Try again Cow dung..

@endofaugust:

Got a problem? Wanna bet in account that F1 is 4k checkerboard on XboneX, COWARD? As clearly Codemasters dev stated a week ago. It'a not the first time that DF counted pixels wrongly in some games.

Btw. if base image in QB is 1440p, then it is 1440p. Cheers!

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Digital Foundry clearly doesn't understand Quantum Break's renderer and reconstruction buffers, I do,

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LOL. You really know everything. So, if DF are dumb and you're smart, so, F1 is checkerboard 4k on XboneX. Good.

It depends on the game's build with these demo machines and furthermore, F1 could have multiple resolution modes. Why not just leave the two options inside the game?

@ronvalencia:

As i said, usually, you're wrong on everything, so, F1 is 4k checkerboard on XboneX

alt account bets, the stakes are rising

@endofaugust: where do you get 2/3rd of target resolution for QB? The Xbox one version reconstructs 1080p image from four 720p frames, 720p is not 2/3rds of 1080p, not even half

Quantum Break was returning a 4K image according to Digital Foundry, according to the parameters of Remedy's reconstruction methods used in Quantum Break that would make the render resolution 3176x1764, not 2560x1440. You're too ignorant to be having this discussion, you lack the necessary knowledge and information.

You don't know F1 2017 is checkerboarded as the most recent use case of the game operating has it functioning natively at 4K, a use case that is more recent than that news article you keep spamming, stop posting it's hurting my brain.

@endofaugust:

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stop posting it's hurting my brain.

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So, that's why you think that you're smarter han Digital Foundry.

Your brain is just full of shit

From Remedy themselves, that's how their reconstruction technology works.

The game is and is not targeting 1080p, it outputs at 1080p per the console and final upscaling, per its buffers however with its reconstruction method it is making a render near 900p quality out of these four 720p frames, that is why Digital Foundry in their assessment said this.

"Added to this, image quality appears sharper and noticeably cleaner in more static scenes, where a pixel count suggests something closer to a 900p presentation."

So the game is rendering at 1280x720, with reconstruction it's turning out a reconstructed render that is roughly 1478x832 i.e. "a pixel count suggests something closer to a 900p presentation".

@endofaugust: then it's not fair to say 4k native is double the 4k CB either as you get higher pixel count than half of native 4k

@endofaugust:

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So the game is rendering at 1280x720, with reconstruction it's turning out a reconstructed render that is roughly 1478x832 i.e. "a pixel count suggests something closer to a 900p presentation".

x832p is YOUR calculation. You are really smarter than DF. Please provide us a screenshot with counted pixels in 832p.