Diablo 3 set to have the most intense DRM ever!?

This is old but with the upcoming beta I want to know how pc gamers here feel about it.

So PC gamers how do you feel about this? I personally don't care as DRM no matter how lame it is, has never really bothered me but I know alot get upset for these things. We all know diablo 3 requires an internet connection but did you guys know that there's no offline single player at all? The single player portion will be handled online by blizzard's servers, which means that you could possibly lag in SP and no internet = no play at all, even after verification (unlike starcraft where you could go as long as you verified at login)

So what do you think about this PC gamers?

Doesn't affect me. Don't really care.

A *few* people have legitimate complaints given their DRM. But its not that serious.

I usually care but because I've being waiting for this game for a loooooong time . I'll bite the bullet , plus it's probably to protect us against the item farmers

The always-online DRM right? It sucks. Nothing much else to say about it - it's unnecessary and will only serve to annoy people when their internet is behaving erratically.

But it's Blizzard, so they get a pass on this kind of thing. Dunno why - if any other company did it everyone would flip out. Not buying it anyway - Diablo, while fun, never really captured me like it did some other people.

Most intense DRM ever?

It's meant to be a multiplayer game. Being online is necessary for playing MP. What is intense about that :?

Could be best game this gen, DRM wont stop me from getting it.

Most intense DRM ever?

It's meant to be a multiplayer game. Being online is necessary for playing MP. What is intense about that :?

N30F3N1X

I'm waffling on buying the game at all actually.

I'm not really that excited for yet another top-down action rpg even if it is diablo.

The DRM is supposedly in place to keep people from hacking the game and getting a bunch of items on the auction house. The only problems are:

A. This isn't going to stop item hackers and farmers in the slightest, they will just have to work a bit harder and with a RMAH they have much more incentive to do so.

B. It's intrusive to people who don't want to be online. Why can't you just keep single player items separate from online? Why am I forced to integrate with the online system just so big brother can watch me play my game and make sure I'm not cheating, when you could just make it so single player won't carry over to multiplayer if I choose to play offline.

I don't know why Blizzard has to lie to me about it either. Could you just say you're doing it because you think I'm a pirate please? I don't like being spoon fed this junk about fair play when no one who wants to is going to follow it anyway.

Thats kind of dumb and it has affected me in the past, when i bought SC2 around the same time i didnt have Internet for a few weeks so i had to go to a friends to download the games i just bought from a store, was really dumb.murat8

My internet connection is kind of shoddy so I won't be buying D3.

I'll be getting Torchlight II instead. Runic deserves the money anyway.

It's meant to be a multiplayer game

N30F3N1X

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Most intense DRM ever?

It's meant to be a multiplayer game. Being online is necessary for playing MP. What is intense about that :?

GD1551

wait... seriously? what the hell blizzard?

I don't know why Blizzard has to lie to me about it either. Could you just say you're doing it because you think I'm a pirate please? I don't like being spoon fed this junk about fair play when no one who wants to is going to follow it anyway.

Vaasman

They did say piracy was a factor as well.

The SP is online based so you can lag in the SP as well as be kicked out if your net drops.GD1551

So you have already played it and know it works that way?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's meant to be a multiplayer game

skrat_01

You can solo WoW up to level 85 content aswell, yet it's always online and noone whines about it lacking a single player.

Your point?

I'm waffling on buying the game at all actually.

I'm not really that excited for yet another top-down action rpg even if it is diablo.

The DRM is supposedly in place to keep people from hacking the game and getting a bunch of items on the auction house. The only problems are:

A. This isn't going to stop item hackers and farmers in the slightest, they will just have to work a bit harder and with a RMAH they have much more incentive to do so.

B. It's intrusive to people who don't want to be online. Why can't you just keep single player items separate from online? Why am I forced to integrate with the online system just so big brother can watch me play my game and make sure I'm not cheating, when you could just make it so single player won't carry over to multiplayer if I choose to play offline.

I don't know why Blizzard has to lie to me about it either. Could you just say you're doing it because you think I'm a pirate please? I don't like being spoon fed this junk about fair play when no one who wants to is going to follow it anyway.

Vaasman

Are you really naive enough to think they haven't thought far ahead enough to take in consideration that it will eventually be cracked?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's meant to be a multiplayer game

N30F3N1X

You can solo WoW up to level 85 content aswell, yet it's always online and noone whines about it lacking a single player.

Your point?

Come on...this is why system wars can never be taken seriously. Why is the reactions so positive for this news? Just because its Diablo 3 and blizzard? I know for a fact if for example Crysis 2 had a similar system Crytek would have been absolutely massacred even worse than they already were...simply because Crysis 2 is viewed in a negative light by most hermits on this forum. Now if Battlefield 3 announces a constant internet connection is required for single player then I wonder what the reaction would be? Actually I dont wonder, I know it would be the same as this thread...largely uncaring! And the reason? Because Battlefield 3 is held in so high regard by most hermits it can do no wrong. Such extensive bias is annoying....

dom2000

The problem with a flexible online system like Diablo 2 had was that it was extremely vulnerable to hacks and exploits that could not be tracked (FYI they completely spoiled Diablo 2's online economy, its biggest point). If everything happens server side it's much likely not going to be as broken as Diablo 2's online was.

Like the game director said, if you don't like the changes you either misunderstood them or don't know what Diablo is about.

WoW is a MMOG....it can hardly be compared to Diablo 3!dom2000

To Diablo 2, you mean? Or have you already played Diablo 3 and know how it works?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's meant to be a multiplayer game

N30F3N1X

You can solo WoW up to level 85 content aswell, yet it's always online and noone whines about it lacking a single player.

Your point?

wow is an mmo, Diablo 3 is not I should not be forced to play a single player game while being forced to be connected onlineohthemanatee

According to who? You?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] wow is an mmo, Diablo 3 is not I should not be forced to play a single player game while being forced to be connected onlineN30F3N1X

According to who? You?

so you're saying I need the internet to use something that doesn't need the internet?ohthemanatee

According to you?

Have you already played the game and know how it works? Or are you employed in Blizzard's programmer team and know how the network code is done?

Or are you just assuming it's going to be a Diablo 2 2.0?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] so you're saying I need the internet to use something that doesn't need the internet?N30F3N1X

According to you?

Have you already played the game and know how it works? Or are you employed in Blizzard's programmer team and know how the network code is done?

Or are you just assuming it's going to be a Diablo 2 2.0?

wouldn't a diablo 2 2.0 be a Diablo 3?:lol:

and I don't need to be a programmer to know that I don't need the internet to play a game in singleplayer

[QUOTE="GD1551"] The SP is online based so you can lag in the SP as well as be kicked out if your net drops.N30F3N1X

So you have already played it and know it works that way?

This is not too unlike World of Warcraft where the world itself, the art, the sounds, etc. are on your machine, but all of the NPC's and enemies are controlled by the server. Diablo III doesn't function in all of the exact same ways, but things like monster randomization, dungeon randomization, item drops, the outcomes of combat, among others, are all handled and verified by the client talking to the server, and vice versa.

-Bashiok blizzard diablo community manager.

wouldn't a diablo 2 2.0 be a Diablo 3?:lol:

and I don't need to be a programmer to know that I don't need the internet to play a game in singleplayer

ohthemanatee

So you agree you're just assuming.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

wouldn't a diablo 2 2.0 be a Diablo 3?:lol:

and I don't need to be a programmer to know that I don't need the internet to play a game in singleplayer

N30F3N1X

So you agree you're just assuming.

or common sense, take your pick :)

nope, it's called common knowledge :)

or common sense, take your pick :)

ohthemanatee

So you do agree that you're just assuming.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] nope, it's called common knowledge :)

or common sense, take your pick :)

N30F3N1X

So you do agree that you're just assuming.

nope, it's called common knowledge :) or common sense, take your pick :)ohthemanatee

It'd be "knowledge" if you actually knew what you were saying, but as you can see, you clearly don't ;)

Common sense also dictates you should inform yourself before speaking. As you can see, you clearly haven't ;)

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] nope, it's called common knowledge :) or common sense, take your pick :)N30F3N1X

It'd be "knowledge" if you actually knew what you were saying, but as you can see, you clearly don't ;)

Common sense also dictates you should inform yourself before speaking. As you can see, you clearly haven't ;)

and i'm sure you can prove this :roll:

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'm waffling on buying the game at all actually.

I'm not really that excited for yet another top-down action rpg even if it is diablo.

The DRM is supposedly in place to keep people from hacking the game and getting a bunch of items on the auction house. The only problems are:

A. This isn't going to stop item hackers and farmers in the slightest, they will just have to work a bit harder and with a RMAH they have much more incentive to do so.

B. It's intrusive to people who don't want to be online. Why can't you just keep single player items separate from online? Why am I forced to integrate with the online system just so big brother can watch me play my game and make sure I'm not cheating, when you could just make it so single player won't carry over to multiplayer if I choose to play offline.

I don't know why Blizzard has to lie to me about it either. Could you just say you're doing it because you think I'm a pirate please? I don't like being spoon fed this junk about fair play when no one who wants to is going to follow it anyway.

N30F3N1X

Are you really naive enough to think they haven't thought far ahead enough to take in consideration that it will eventually be cracked?

Whether they thought that far ahead or not they should have realized hacking is inevitable and you shouldn't limit your user base to combat something that will happen no matter what. Not that it would really take that long anyway, games are always cracked within weeks after they come out. I predict the game won't even be out for 2 months before we see RMAH fraud and the equivalents of gold and account selling.

and i'm sure you can prove this :roll:

ohthemanatee

Yep, I most definitely can.

I should not be forced to play a single player game while being forced to be connected onlineohthemanatee

While in fact, Diablo 3 is not a single player game (nor was Diablo 2, but this is System Wars and, ironically enough, common sense is forbidden here).

and I don't need to be a programmer to know that I don't need the internet to play a game in singleplayer

ohthemanatee

While in fact, you do need internet to play SP in Diablo 3 since your character is part of your account and not just a file on your PC.

While in fact, you do need internet to play SP in Diablo 3 since your character is part of your account and not just a file on your PC.

N30F3N1X

Don't be condescending about this. You aren't a Blizzard insider so it's not like you could definitively say what they have or have not thought of either.

Whether they thought that far ahead or not they should have realized hacking is inevitable and you shouldn't limit your user base to combat something that will happen no matter what. Not that it would really take that long anyway, games are always cracked within weeks after they come out. I predict the game won't even be out for 2 months before we see RMAH fraud and the equivalents of gold and account selling.

Vaasman

"It's not like you could definitely say what they have or have not thought of either" but you in your first post here you said "Could you just say you think I'm a pirate please?"...inconsistency much?

Why are you so stuck on the piracy point? That's not the only reason the always online DRM was put in place like you're struggling so hard to show.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Don't be condescending about this. You aren't a Blizzard insider so it's not like you could definitively say what they have or have not thought of either.

Whether they thought that far ahead or not they should have realized hacking is inevitable and you shouldn't limit your user base to combat something that will happen no matter what. Not that it would really take that long anyway, games are always cracked within weeks after they come out. I predict the game won't even be out for 2 months before we see RMAH fraud and the equivalents of gold and account selling.

N30F3N1X

"It's not like you could definitely say what they have or have not thought of either" but you in your first post here you said "Could you just say you think I'm a pirate please?"...inconsistency much?

Why are you so stuck on the piracy point? That's not the only reason the always online DRM was put in place like you're struggling so hard to show.