DICE: Console gamers have no idea How pc is capable of

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

What game do PC fans talk about the most crysis and why do they talk about it cause of its graphics they almost never talk about its gameplay i rest my case. lol

Filthybastrd

Crysis: Talked about since 2007, it's that good! Don't make me spam screenshots.

Screenshots: The representation console gamers fear the most :P

I'm 2secs. away from updating my PC and hopping off the console wagon.

So GT dont count only GS counts gotcha. lol

So GT dont count only GS counts gotcha. lol

dontcry668

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]Do South Koreans generally buy PCs?

Or do they simply go to a gaming cafe, plop down a couple bucks and just play Starcraft on whatever PC is sitting in front of them?

clone01

Not sure. I don't live there. But again, you making a blanket assumption about the expense of PC gaming is erroneous. Perhaps you should answer that question first.

I'm making blanket statements? You're assuming everyone in Korea plays Starcraft on PCs that they own...

I think you need to do more research to be honest.

I don't think console gamers CARE that PCs are superior gaming devices. That's my whole argument.

They're saving money and having fun without the committment needed to stay at the top of high-end PC gaming.

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

What game do PC fans talk about the most crysis and why do they talk about it cause of its graphics they almost never talk about its gameplay i rest my case. lol

Filthybastrd

Crysis: Talked about since 2007, it's that good! Don't make me spam screenshots.

Screenshots: The representation console gamers fear the most :P

And the reason its talked about is because of the way it looks not cause of its gameplay this guy is proving me right cause he wants to put up screenshots you cant tell how a game plays by screenshots case proved. lol

[QUOTE="NiteLights"]

Well, they are right. Not hating on consoles, but it's just a fact.

Hashim19

They're saving money and having fun without the committment needed to stay at the top of high-end PC gaming.

Netherscourge

I actually think you need to do more research, as you were the one who presented the argument in the first place. Still waiting on that link to the exorbitant costs that PC gamers must endure to maintain their rigs.

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

So GT dont count only GS counts gotcha. lol

clone01

Im not the one who said it GT is the one who said U3 won best graphics at E3 your beef is with them.

Yes, PCs are more powerful than consoles. Why does SW beat this to death? Oh, I forgot, its SW.

clone01

Exactly, if it isn't beaten to death on a daily basis, then people forget.

Then you get threads like the "battlefield3 is the same on ps3 and pc" one the other day.

Im not the one who said it GT is the one who said U3 won best graphics at E3 your beef is with them.

dontcry668

I don't have a "beef" with anyone. I'm merely pointing out that you are ignoring data from an equally credible site to support your argument, which is a flawed line of thinking.

More and more DICE are sounding like the Elitist PC gamers that you'd find in this thread. All systems are good people.

GlobalLaming

Why is it elitist to state the truth? The PC clearly has better graphics and is capable of running more advanced games...

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

What game do PC fans talk about the most crysis and why do they talk about it cause of its graphics they almost never talk about its gameplay i rest my case. lol

dontcry668

Crysis: Talked about since 2007, it's that good! Don't make me spam screenshots.

Screenshots: The representation console gamers fear the most :P

And the reason its talked about is because of the way it looks not cause of its gameplay this guy is proving me right cause he wants to put up screenshots you cant tell how a game plays by screenshots case proved. lol

Actually, it's just because posting 15 Crysis screenshots is almost guaranteed to kill off any thread.

I don't expect you ever actually played Crysis so why would even want to argue it's gameplay with you?

The fact that people actually bother to replay the SP to this very day says everything that needs to be said about that aspect anyway. Where would Halo 3 or CoD be without MP?

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Yes, PCs are more powerful than consoles. Why does SW beat this to death? Oh, I forgot, its SW.

topgunmv

Exactly, if it isn't beaten to death on a daily basis, then people forget.

Then you get threads like the "battlefield3 is the same on ps3 and pc" one the other day.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Yes, PCs are more powerful than consoles. Why does SW beat this to death? Oh, I forgot, its SW.

topgunmv

Exactly, if it isn't beaten to death on a daily basis, then people forget.

Then you get threads like the "battlefield3 is the same on ps3 and pc" one the other day.

Indeed. Besides, "PC-elitist" threads will pop up regardless of our activity so may as well do the deeds. It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it ;)

I'm 2secs. away from updating my PC and hopping off the console wagon.

Cj19_32

Go for it. I highly doubt that you'll regret it :P

But they know MW3 will be the better game, and that's all matters :]IronBass

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]Im not the one who said it GT is the one who said U3 won best graphics at E3 your beef is with them.

clone01

I don't have a "beef" with anyone. I'm merely pointing out that you are ignoring data from an equally credible site to support your argument, which is a flawed line of thinking.

I never saw GS say that BF3 won best graphics at E3 like GT said about U3 wierd huh

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] it can reach 30fps, and BC2 on consoles is medium settings without AA or AF, if you played BC2 on low settings its clearly crap compared to consoles, so with my 4670, i play on Low settings, with the lowest resolution available, and it does NOT hold a steady 25 fps, it falls completely short of consoles.Hashim19

Sorry i don't believe you, sure the 4670 is an ultra low-end GPU weaker than a GPU from 2006 but still it play BC2 better than this "1280x720, 0xAA, 0xAF, low-medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, and 24 players"

ofcorse he is not right.

http://www.techspot.com/article/255-battlefield-bad-company2-performance/page4.html

look even a 8600GTS 256MB(that is weaker than the 4670) play BC2 with 1680x1050, low settings, 2xAA, 4xAF. and consols play BC2 with "1280x720, 0xAA, 0xAF, low-medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, and 24 players"

[QUOTE="IronBass"]But they know MW3 will be the better game, and that's all matters :]Another-World

Of course we do. They can be used to go online and post hateful comments, uninteresting facts about one's day for others to read, or view pornography.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

They're right. My friends are all console only gamers and constantly trash on PC whenever I mention it. There's only like one or two that realize and admit that PC games look better than console games(yes, I know I hang out with idiots) People who haven't played on a modern PC don't have any indication of what a PC can do.

AncientDozer

The day Shogun 2 runs on PS3/360 get back to us.

The day BF3 with 64 players & larger maps runs on PS3/360 get back to us.

...

What do you mean "power don't matter"? That's asinine. Maybe we should all be playing on the NES... since you know "power don't matter". Power is very important. More power = more compex games (better A.I., larger maps, higher resolution, etc etc etc).

[QUOTE="Hashim19"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Sorry i don't believe you, sure the 4670 is an ultra low-end GPU weaker than a GPU from 2006 but still it play BC2 better than this "1280x720, 0xAA, 0xAF, low-medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, and 24 players"

MK-Professor

ofcorse he is not right.

http://www.techspot.com/article/255-battlefield-bad-company2-performance/page4.html

look even a 8600GTS 256MB(that is weaker than the 4670) play BC2 with 1680x1050, low settings, 2xAA, 4xAF. and consols play BC2 with "1280x720, 0xAA, 0xAF, low-medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, and 24 players"

Well, the game does'nt run on the 4670 alone ;) It's conceivable that it runs like crap for him. You can't just look at the GPU they used, sometimes you can't even trust the benchmarks in terms of consistency.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]Im not the one who said it GT is the one who said U3 won best graphics at E3 your beef is with them.

dontcry668

I don't have a "beef" with anyone. I'm merely pointing out that you are ignoring data from an equally credible site to support your argument, which is a flawed line of thinking.

I never saw GS say that BF3 won best graphics at E3 like GT said about U3 wierd huh

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]They're saving money and having fun without the committment needed to stay at the top of high-end PC gaming.

clone01

I actually think you need to do more research, as you were the one who presented the argument in the first place. Still waiting on that link to the exorbitant costs that PC gamers must endure to maintain their rigs.

I'm not wasitng my time getting links. You can go shopping at Newegg yourself. But make sure you price the RETAIL/MAINTSTREAM prices. Not the used/OEM stuff mainstreams don't normally buy.

1. Xbox 360/PS3 that can run Battlefield 3 with watered down visuals & team counts: ~$250, give or take $75 to $100 based on HDD size and Kinect and whatever other add-on package you get it with. (not inclduing HDTV/monitor)

2. High-end PC that can run Battlefield 3 at max settings: ~$900+ (not including HDTV/monitor) (pricing mobo, CPU, Case, fans, PSU, SLI-or-Crossfire Video cards, Sound Card, possibly watercooling setup if you overclock for even more performance, RAM, HDD/SSD) (I think I'm being VERY GENEROUS with the price too - most people aren't newegg shopping for PC parts. They go buy them overpriced at Best Buy or from Dell/Alienware/etc...)

(Since we're talking about what a PC is capable of, we need to point out the most-powerful PC parts on the market, at mainstream/retail prices vs. a current-priced Xbox 360/PS3 at a mainstream/retail price)

Also keep in mind, that whenever a new game comes out that pushes your PC below 30FPS, you "need" to go buy upgrades, which could be every 6 months depending on what games are coming out.

Also keep in mind the need to pick and choose specific hardware that is compatible with other specific hardware in PCs.

Now, does the average everyday gamer want to deal with all that mess? Or just go buy a console?

Exactly.

Bottom Line - the majority of mainstream console gamers don't care what a PC can do because they don't want to deal with the upkeep and costs.

:)

Glad to help! Have a nice day!

[QUOTE="GlobalLaming"]

More and more DICE are sounding like the Elitist PC gamers that you'd find in this thread. All systems are good people.

Tezcatlipoca666

Why is it elitist to state the truth? The PC clearly has better graphics and is capable of running more advanced games...

Hey! Stop that! This thread started with the fact that PCs have superior capabilities than consoles. We managed to divert away from that to argue about something which is subjective - which platform has the better games.

You see you can't argue against a fact, so we've moved to something else entirely to give console gamers a level playing field.

Don't worry, I don't understand it either.

but hey there is a dummy born everyday. lol

dontcry668

Presumably you count yourself among them right? I mean, you would have to unless you are in denial...

So there tied in graphics then thats pretty sad a high powered PC is tied with a console that is 5 years old. lol And people want to upgrade to a PC? lol

I'm not wasitng my time getting links. Netherscourge

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"] I do. I play on both and I feel like the differences are marginal at best. Because, if computers taught us one thing, graphics and power don't matter. Otherwise Minecraft, farmville, and games like it wouldn't make up such a large portion of the PC market. All Dice is doing is pandering to a group that is prone to ego trips.AncientDozer

The day Shogun 2 runs on PS3/360 get back to us.

The day BF3 with 64 players & larger maps runs on PS3/360 get back to us.

...

What do you mean "power don't matter"? That's asinine. Maybe we should all be playing on the NES... since you know "power don't matter". Power is very important. More power = more compex games (better A.I., larger maps, higher resolution, etc etc etc).

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="Cj19_32"]

I'm 2secs. away from updating my PC and hopping off the console wagon.

dontcry668

Go for it. I highly doubt that you'll regret it :P

Yeah go ahead and upgrade and play crysis there only good game i mean it must be since thats all PC fans talk about. And then there is consoles that have how many good games there is to many tolist but hey there is a dummy born everyday. lol

Again a 5 year old machine can produce graphcs as good as a high end PC who would of thought it wow.

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

but hey there is a dummy born everyday. lol

dontcry668

Presumably you count yourself among them right? I mean, you would have to unless you are in denial...

Your the one that sounds like your in denial one site gave U3 best graphics and one site gave BF3 best graphics. PC fans they so stupid.

This is where we desperately need to think for ourselves. It does'nt matter which site gives which award to what.

A console game will not be the factual graphics king this gen even if seen through subjective goggles. That's just a fact, these awards hold as much weight as the Oscars do and hopefully you're enough of an individual to realize that show is all about propaganda as well.

Like I said before, all Dice is pandering to audience that tends to be egocentric and self-important. I'm trying hard not to be a d-bag here but that's how I see it, what, with how often console gamers are accused of holding everyone back or how people suggest their in denial. Dice knows its audiences and remembers how upset some were with the decision to go multiplat. They're getting away with it by doing the pandering game. Just letting people hear what they want to while they continue to explore consoles.AncientDozer

'explore' consoles?

Like I said before, all Dice is pandering to audience that tends to be egocentric and self-important. I'm trying hard not to be a d-bag here but that's how I see it, what, with how often console gamers are accused of holding everyone back or how people suggest their in denial. Dice knows its audiences and remembers how upset some were with the decision to go multiplat. They're getting away with it by doing the pandering game. Just letting people hear what they want to while they continue to explore consoles.AncientDozer

So you think they're incorrect when they claim that their game looks better on PC? I'd say stating the opposite would be much more obvious case of pandering.

Want extreme pandering? Crytek took pandering to maximum extreme with Crysis 2.

"I prefer controller derp." .Birdy09

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

Presumably you count yourself among them right? I mean, you would have to unless you are in denial...

Filthybastrd

Your the one that sounds like your in denial one site gave U3 best graphics and one site gave BF3 best graphics. PC fans they so stupid.

This is where we desperately need to think for ourselves. It does'nt matter which site gives which award to what.

A console game will not be the factual graphics king this gen even if seen through subjective goggles. That's just a fact, these awards hold as much weight as the Oscars do and hopefully you're enough of an individual to realize that show is all about propaganda as well.

Wow i didnt know your OPINION counted as fact wow when did this happen? lol

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] "I prefer controller derp." .clone01

I assume most serious PC gamers own a gamepad as well unless they steer clear of certain genres.

To suggest that complexity and processes power is somehow a major factor in fun, to me, is shallow.AncientDozer

Why bother developing new computer chips then? Why ever release new consoles? I mean, yeah, sure, power alone isn't important. I still enjoy my old DOS games, I still play my N64 on occasion... and have fun whilst doing so.

But come on, to say that power doesn't matter is delusional. This forum is filled with examples which support the idea that power matters. PS3/360 fanboys constantly arguing over which console is more powerful. PS3/360 fanboys bashing the Wii because it is weak and mocking the WiiU because "it has only just caught up". The thread where it was alledgedly claimed that the PS4 wouldn't be more powerful than the PS3 turned to a **** fast. There are so many examples that I could never list them all.

Power matters because it allows for more complex and advanced games and better graphics. It matters to developers and gamers alike. Lets not kid ourselves.