DICE: Console gamers have no idea How pc is capable of

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] "I prefer controller derp." .Filthybastrd

I assume most serious PC gamers own a gamepad as well unless they steer clear of certain genres.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] "I prefer controller derp." .clone01

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[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

Your the one that sounds like your in denial one site gave U3 best graphics and one site gave BF3 best graphics. PC fans they so stupid.

dontcry668

This is where we desperately need to think for ourselves. It does'nt matter which site gives which award to what.

A console game will not be the factual graphics king this gen even if seen through subjective goggles. That's just a fact, these awards hold as much weight as the Oscars do and hopefully you're enough of an individual to realize that show is all about propaganda as well.

Wow i didnt know your OPINION counted as fact wow when did this happen? lol

Do I really need to play the "twice the resolution, lots of AA, AF etc" record again? It's rather broken and you would'nt be arguing with me if you were interested in facts rather than advertising.

Please don't respond because I'm done with you.

Wow i didnt know your OPINION counted as fact wow when did this happen? lol

dontcry668

You've been presenting your opinion as fact this entire thread.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]
to think otherwise is naive

AncientDozer

Explain to me then why Mine Craft and Terraria are so terribly popular. What is the explanation for Mafia Wars and Farmville? Castle Crashers! Any Indie or Arcade game that's on live or the stuff they do with PSN. Some are a fair bit more complex than others with better graphics but a lot are not at all on the same "level" as "big titles" and yet they do exceptional.

Limbo, one of my favorite games, while artistically beautiful, is hardly a "graphics king" by any definition and it's about as complex as using one button for everything.

Unless you're agreeing with me. In which case. Yes, quite.

'complexity and process power' (i'm assuming that means processing power) is a major part of fun. denying so would mean casting off any improvements that may come about from it - such as complexity of the game environment itself (size of maps, physicalised objects, number of players, etc.)

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] You know, some people do prefer controllers. The little insult isn't necessary.clone01

I assume most serious PC gamers own a gamepad as well unless they steer clear of certain genres.

It was. Even the calmest hermit sometimes loses it's way at times.

I can't count the number of responses I've regretted after considering what I was arguing with ;)

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]Like I said before, all Dice is pandering to audience that tends to be egocentric and self-important. I'm trying hard not to be a d-bag here but that's how I see it, what, with how often console gamers are accused of holding everyone back or how people suggest their in denial. Dice knows its audiences and remembers how upset some were with the decision to go multiplat. They're getting away with it by doing the pandering game. Just letting people hear what they want to while they continue to explore consoles.AncientDozer

'explore' consoles?

But then all they had to do is suggest that they're focusing on PCs (better graphics and higher player count, while nice, aren't really that big in terms of focusing) amd that console gamers don't understand and suddenly all will be forgotten while they continue to develop for consoles and explore that market.

DICE will never make another PC exclusive Battlefield, no. But the BF3 PCs are getting is significantly different from consoles. Kind of like BF2 & BF2MC

The fact is PC fans wont ever have as many good games as consoles do and thats why us console fans laugh at PC fans for thinking there all high and mighty but they dont know we let them think that cause every special person deserves to be happy. lol

dontcry668

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

The fact is PC fans wont ever have as many good games as consoles do and thats why us console fans laugh at PC fans for thinking there all high and mighty but they dont know we let them think that cause every special person deserves to be happy. lol

clone01

you know better than that. he'll just claim that all the PC games suck

[QUOTE="Hashim19"][QUOTE="Super__FLY"]PC gaming is that good...And I dont care too much about graphics so I'll stick to console gaming thaanks.Super__FLY

Its not just graphics though is it with Battlefield 3. 64 Player Giant Warfare zones? compared to ... 24 .... where there will be 4 vs 4 jet dog fights in the sky on PC youd be har dpressed to get 1 or 2 on consoles. Mouse and Keyboard, explains itself but in before "I prefer controller derp." .Birdy09

Also I prefer the controller, it makes people behave more natural since you can't really do a 180 with a sniper in real life while being shot in the back and get off a kill, its also extremely difficult to hit ranged targets without a scope, making scope attachments matter and snipers become more important since you can no long M-60 snipe very easily...

I also ****ing hate server browsers, i hate dealing with "house rules" and team speak, depending on your preference, Console can deliver a better gaming experience.

edit: And PC having a way to scale graphics means it can give some people an unfair advantage. One thing i've noticed having to play on low is i can see people in bushes in the distance, because the bushes aren't getting rendered...

I have been posting facts this entire thread and backing it up with links but PC fans dont know what is fact and what is opinion since the only game they have is crysis. lol But hey your a special person so good for you im just in shock someone like yourself can play a game i mean you being special and all.

dontcry668

Really? The only link I've seen from you is a Game Trailers award for UC3, which was pretty much rendered moot by the Gamespot link I posted.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"] What, to think that complexity and processing power somehow a major factor in fun is naive? I mean, nevermind that your argument is so, so "compelling".

Explain to me then why Mine Craft and Terraria are so terribly popular. What is the explanation for Mafia Wars and Farmville? Castle Crashers! Any Indie or Arcade game that's on live or the stuff they do with PSN. Some are a fair bit more complex than others with better graphics but a lot are not at all on the same "level" as "big titles" and yet they do exceptional.

Limbo, one of my favorite games, while artistically beautiful, is hardly a "graphics king" by any definition and it's about as complex as using one button for everything.

Unless you're agreeing with me. In which case. Yes, quite.

AncientDozer

'complexity and process power' (i'm assuming that means processing power) is a major part of fun. denying so would mean casting off any improvements that may come about from it - such as complexity of the game environment itself (size of maps, physicalised objects, number of players, etc.)

Tic tac toe is still fun even in the day of omega virus, an electronic boardgame, and battleship. Yet it's so simple in the face of these increasingly complex games.

Power of a PC (or anything with power), while nice, is not inherent for fun. It allows for development, yes, but it is not absolutely necessary. Because even as we get games like crysis, we're still enjoying games like Touhou or Mine Sweeper. Hell, people still play Ragnarok Online even though games like World of Warcraft and Rifts eclipse it.

All the things you mentioned aren't necessary or important and can just as easily be a detriment . Player count? So what. Gears of War 4 on 4 is amazing. Battlefield Bad Company' 12 on 12 worked brilliantly. I had more fun with that than I did with however many people played in Counter Strike simply because it wasn't a cluster dump.

it's a major part of fun. you can do more if you have more power. why you keep denying this i don't know

either way pcs can do the same thing consoles can. in case this hasn't sunken in yet, there's a reason why pcs have the choice of the full 64 player count. if it's not your cup of tea that's fine, but it's an absolute advantage the pc has over consoles

Again a 5 year old machine can produce graphcs as good as a high end PC who would of thought it wow.

dontcry668

FACTS are saying other wise...

A PC from 2006 can play any multiplat better than consoles let alone the high end PC.

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]I have been posting facts this entire thread and backing it up with links but PC fans dont know what is fact and what is opinion since the only game they have is crysis. lol But hey your a special person so good for you im just in shock someone like yourself can play a game i mean you being special and all.

clone01

Really? The only link I've seen from you is a Game Trailers award for UC3, which was pretty much rendered moot by the Gamespot link I posted.

you said ibeen stating opinions so i guess the link where gt said u3 is graphics king is opinion gotcha. lol

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

Again a 5 year old machine can produce graphcs as good as a high end PC who would of thought it wow.

MK-Professor

FACTS are saying other wise...

A PC from 2006 can play any multiplat better than consoles let alone the high end PC.

Facts are saying other wise dont know if you heard but GT gave U3 graphics award over BF3. lol

PC gaming is that good...And I dont care too much about graphics so I'll stick to console gaming thaanks.Super__FLY

[QUOTE="Hashim19"][QUOTE="Super__FLY"]PC gaming is that good...And I dont care too much about graphics so I'll stick to console gaming thaanks.Super__FLY

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="dontcry668"]

Again a 5 year old machine can produce graphcs as good as a high end PC who would of thought it wow.

dontcry668

FACTS are saying other wise...

A PC from 2006 can play any multiplat better than consoles let alone the high end PC.

Facts are saying other wise dont know if you heard but GT gave U3 graphics award over BF3. lol

LOL on that console fanboy on GT that gave U3 graphics award over BF3 in E3.

BUT that FACT is that a pc from 2006 play games with better graphics than consoles, that illustrates how bad consoles are.

PC is capable of alot, the only issue is that games almost never take advantage of it. So we end up with games with simple res and texture bumps. Which is nice, but imo nothing mind blowing.

Even though it ran like crap I would like to see more multiplats go the Metro 2033 route, it sold really well too.

i pity the fool, i mean i pity those who havent had the luck to play in a high end pc with a full hd monitor, the only reason consoles still exist are the exclusives and the only reason i look at them.

you said ibeen stating opinions so i guess the link where gt said u3 is graphics king is opinion gotcha. lol

dontcry668

As I stated before, you presented the single link, and I presented a GS link which negated that. Not really a gotcha.

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[QUOTE="Hashim19"]

Some 'Console gamers have really no idea' on what a modern PC is capable of according to DICE

Whole story with comparsion of Pc Vs Ps3 battlefield 3 onhttp://goo.gl/xJbeA

Same goes with many pc games which looks far better on Pc than any console versions

So some of the ps3 gamers dont like the fact that battlefield3 looks better on pc and making some points on twitter to johan.

I think Johan makes a pretty valid point. I think console gamers need to realize that the PS3 is almost 5 years old and the 360 will be completing its sixth year soon. But then too, the game is looking pretty damn awesome on the PlayStation 3.

AncientDozer

"some" gamers?

you can insert anything behind "some" type of people and say anything you want.

"some" people believe the earth is flat.

"some" people think l. ron. hubbard is a prophet.

"some" people believe anything you tell them to believe.

"some" people think johan is an idiot. i count myself among those people.

i know that this poor sap is stuck with the impossible task of appeasing the ps3 fanboys who complained that ps3 version does not look as good as pc version and see it as proof of the international conspiracy.

here i am ridiculing the dude and it's not his fault he has to be the one that gets stuck trying to make insane people see common sense.

johan if you are out there i'm sorry.

i pity the fool, i mean i pity those who havent had the luck to play in a high end pc with a full hd monitor, the only reason consoles still exist are the exclusives and the only reason i look at them.

Krelian-co

Um...isnt that like, the most important reason of all? :(

My friends are pretty impressed once they actually play a game on my PC. The difference in graphics is there and it is noticable.

I dont care what dice says because I won't be getting their game.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

This represents the console gamers on this thread

Hehe suddenly graphics mean nothing and it's all about gameplay yet always see PS3 and X360 gamers make fun of the Wii's Graphics and battle each other to the death or who has better graphics which would need a microscope for you to see the slight difference. Quit trying to down play the PC with pathetic attempts like "Graphics is all Pc got" or "Who cares all the best games are only on consoles.".

I'm probably going to get the elitist word thrown at me. Strange console gamers can call us elitist but if they say PC gaming is nerds we can't call em idiots?

AncientDozer

It is the tendency of System Wars to lump several individuals or entire fanbases together and pretending everything said by all those people is actually being said by one person which in turn makes that "person" sound extremely hypocritical or using double standards.

Case and point, people here saying graphics don't matter. You are lumping those people in with other fans who argue about which console does better graphics. Instead of two different groups, it sounds like "well, the PS3 does graphics on par with the PC but graphics don't matter". I'd scoff, too, if it was accurate. But it's not.

But I'll happily throw "elitist" at you because that's what you're doing. You're talking down to your peers based on their preference and you're skewing information. Then you're attempting to hide behind your own words by pretending to laugh and shrug off the term "elitist" as if it will render your point infallible or bullet proof.

The last part I don't really get. Who's calling who nerds and what does idiocy have to do with it?

Oh you mean like how console gamers say PC gamers are graphics whores and elitist. I can go onto a PS3 vs Xbox 360 graphic's thread right now and they'll be blablah UC3 has better AA or GeoW3 has better lighting. But if it were to be a PC vs console Thread I guarantee someone is going to come out and say graphics don't matter and crap. Oh please look at the post on this thread.

Oh yeah and I said CONSOLE GAMERS ON THIS THREAD!!! are representing denial.

I see post on places everywhere saying PC gaming is for nerds from some console jockey, I also see that on this thread we are suddenly being called elitist.

I also saw your comment how 64 players in BF doesn't make a big deal. It does make a big deal this is Battlefield not CoD.

Not many devs show what the PC is really capable of, and I can see why. It's alot more expencive to make a realistic game, than a fun game, and most people buy the fun game. Also, when they are making a game on PC they will have to scale games for all types of hardware. On some occasions, consoles hold the PC back, but most of the time the games are the same on all platforms, with small differences.

The overall graphics bar will increase when new consoles arrive. If most devs can make a Crysis looking game within a 1 - 2 year dev time, we will see most games with graphics like that.

Devs are people, and people need money, that's why BF3 is on consoles aswell, and not just a PC exclusive. But it's impressive what Dice has achived on consoles, they could never have made a game like this at the start of this gen, thanks to new rendering tech and stuff like that.

I love how if you have a PC, you suddenly have no friends. But if you have a console, your living room is always packed with people....

haha.

I love how if you have a PC, you suddenly have no friends. But if you have a console, your living room is always packed with people....

dxmcat

What happens if you have both a gaming PC and consoles. Is your living room then filled with people you don't like?

main reason why people game on consoles is you buy one system and it lasts you 5 years+. I don't see how anyone could be shocked that new hardware runs games better.

[QUOTE="Hashim19"][QUOTE="Super__FLY"]PC gaming is that good...And I dont care too much about graphics so I'll stick to console gaming thaanks.Super__FLY