Did Microsoft flush away everything they gained this generation?

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

BF4 dev: The DS4 is my preference for next gen.

ShaineTheMoron: He's obviously saying he prefers the DS4 to the last-gen model.

:lol:

CallOfDutyRulez

Use your head, moron. He probably meant next-gen.CallOfDutyRulez

In what generation is the DS4 being used for? 

I rest my case.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] [quote="CallOfDutyRulez"]Use your head, moron. He probably meant next-gen.ShaineTheNerd

In what generation is the DS4 being used for? 

I rest my case.

Indeed. But did you consider that he might have not known that? Why would he compare the DS4 to the SNES controller?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

That was 6 years ago, you mangina.

Answer this: Do you think Halo is a AAA franchise?

CallOfDutyRulez

how did you miss the part where i said that was the only time i've commented on the franchise as a whole and that my stance hasn't changed? it's literally right up there in the post i just made. did you just see a link and read absolutely nothing else? nothing else? :|

Me:

Gears of War is finished, just like Halo.

The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now. 

You:

how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA? quit changing the subject. 

You gonna keep denying it now?

deny what? what is wrong with you? can you try to be coherent? :|

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

how did you miss the part where i said that was the only time i've commented on the franchise as a whole and that my stance hasn't changed? it's literally right up there in the post i just made. did you just see a link and read absolutely nothing else? nothing else? :|

CaseyWegner

Me:

Gears of War is finished, just like Halo.

The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now. 

You:

how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA? quit changing the subject. 

You gonna keep denying it now?

deny what? what is wrong with you? can you try to be coherent? :|

Please tell me you really aren't this dense.

You wrote: how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA?

Now what does this tell you about how you grade franchises? Keep up, skippy. :lol:

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

In what generation is the DS4 being used for? 

I rest my case.

CallOfDutyRulez

Indeed. But did you consider that he might have not known that? Why would he compare the DS4 to the SNES controller?

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] The 8th generation. ShaineTheNerd

Indeed. But did you consider that he might have not known that? Why would he compare the DS4 to the SNES controller?

... :lol:

No, kid. Look at his wording. He was comparing controllers in the same generation. The previous iterations of DS aren't in the same generation as DS4. I'll repeat: He was comparing controllers in the same generation.

Jesus, are you really this slow or are you just this shocked that Microsoft could have screwed up everything so badly? Even their controller is inferior now.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Me:

Gears of War is finished, just like Halo.

The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now. 

You:

how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA? quit changing the subject. 

 

You gonna keep denying it now?

CallOfDutyRulez

deny what? what is wrong with you? can you try to be coherent? :|

Please tell me you really aren't this dense.

You wrote: how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA?

Now what does this tell you about how you grade franchises? Keep up, skippy. :lol:

i just checked the scores on the previous halo games. they weren't changed. what are you talking about?

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Indeed. But did you consider that he might have not known that? Why would he compare the DS4 to the SNES controller?

CallOfDutyRulez

... :lol:

No, kid. Look at his wording. He was comparing controllers in the same generation. The previous iterations of DS aren't in the same generation as DS4. I'll repeat: He was comparing controllers in the same generation.

Jesus, are you really this slow or are you just this shocked that Microsoft could have screwed up everything so badly? Even their controller is inferior now.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

deny what? what is wrong with you? can you try to be coherent? :|

CaseyWegner

Please tell me you really aren't this dense.

You wrote: how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA?

Now what does this tell you about how you grade franchises? Keep up, skippy. :lol:

i just checked the scores on the previous halo games. they weren't changed. what are you talking about?

Just because your brain is damanged and that you can't word your thoughts properly doesn't mean that you and I both don't know what you were trying to say.

I said: The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now.

I was talking about the franchise as a whole and no one could interpret it as anything else.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] He was most likely saying that the DS4 (the gen4 DS) is the best controller of the DS series. If he doesn't know what generation we're in, he doesn't belong in the game industry. ShaineTheNerd

... :lol:

No, kid. Look at his wording. He was comparing controllers in the same generation. The previous iterations of DS aren't in the same generation as DS4. I'll repeat: He was comparing controllers in the same generation.

Jesus, are you really this slow or are you just this shocked that Microsoft could have screwed up everything so badly? Even their controller is inferior now.

:lol:

Yes, he compared the DS4 to the DS3, then said it was his preference for next gen. :cool:

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

... :lol:

No, kid. Look at his wording. He was comparing controllers in the same generation. The previous iterations of DS aren't in the same generation as DS4. I'll repeat: He was comparing controllers in the same generation.

Jesus, are you really this slow or are you just this shocked that Microsoft could have screwed up everything so badly? Even their controller is inferior now.

CallOfDutyRulez

:lol:

Yes, he compared the DS4 to the DS3, then said it was his preference for next gen. :cool:

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] He compared the DS4 to the DS3, you illiterate bastard. Someone asked how the DS4 compared to the 360 controller. That's all that was said cross-platform. ShaineTheNerd

:lol:

Yes, he compared the DS4 to the DS3, then said it was his preference for next gen. :cool:

Is DS3 in the 4th generation of DS controllers? :cool:

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

:lol:

Yes, he compared the DS4 to the DS3, then said it was his preference for next gen. :cool:

CallOfDutyRulez

Is DS3 in the 4th generation of DS controllers? :cool:

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"] You're right... For the 4th generation of DS controllers.ShaineTheNerd

Is DS3 in the 4th generation of DS controllers? :cool:

I'll ask again. Is DS3 in the 4th generation as DS4?

anti-ms thread from callofdutyrulez :shock: ??? Mind blown :o

Just because your brain is damanged and that you can't word your thoughts properly doesn't mean that you and I both don't know what you were trying to say.

CallOfDutyRulez

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Please tell me you really aren't this dense.

You wrote: how did they all get downgraded because one game scored sub-AAA?

Now what does this tell you about how you grade franchises? Keep up, skippy. :lol:

CallOfDutyRulez

i just checked the scores on the previous halo games. they weren't changed. what are you talking about?

Just because your brain is damanged and that you can't word your thoughts properly doesn't mean that you and I both don't know what you were trying to say.

I said: The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now.

I was talking about the franchise as a whole and no one could interpret it as anything else.

even if that's what you were trying to say, how did you get me saying that halo 5 will be AAA?

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]The biggest no no for me with the X1 is Kinect. I have no desire to have an NSA spying device sitting in my house in any room period. Unlike a lot of fools around here, I value my privacy. If there was no forced Kinect, I might have taken a half ass interest in the X1.YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Just because your brain is damanged and that you can't word your thoughts properly doesn't mean that you and I both don't know what you were trying to say.

I said: The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now.

I was talking about the franchise as a whole and no one could interpret it as anything else.

CaseyWegner

even if that's what you were trying to say, how did you get me saying that halo 5 will be AAA?

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]The biggest no no for me with the X1 is Kinect. I have no desire to have an NSA spying device sitting in my house in any room period. Unlike a lot of fools around here, I value my privacy. If there was no forced Kinect, I might have taken a half ass interest in the X1.AmazonTreeBoa

Xbox brand going to irrelevancy? Yeah, I HIGHLY doubt that. They have done too much for games in all aspects and have REVOLUTIONIZED the online console space. I shudder to think what type of online environments we would have ended up with if Sony & Nintendo had been left to lead the front on that end. No, MS was successful because they were able to execute on a vision they saw for the online services and experiences a console could provide.

Having said that, I think what we're really discussing here is how impactful the Xbox One will be for gamers or consumers come this holiday season and beyond. I think it will have a following and it'll have software that'll make it a strong gaming experience, but I also think that nothing they have shown is anywhere near as innovative as the original pitch for Xbox Live as it was done by J. Allard at E3 '05.

They've put themselves in an unenviable position and they have a long, hard road ahead of them. For whats its worth, I don't see them rolling over and just letting Sony have it so easily.

Okay.

They were never relevant. The 360 was a lucky hit but still a mediocre product.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

They were never relevant. The 360 was a lucky hit but still a mediocre product.

NTSC-U

[QUOTE="NTSC-U"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

They were never relevant. The 360 was a lucky hit but still a mediocre product.

realguitarhero5

Good points, and the same could be said about MGS but now its multi which is cool too because its a seriers that everyone should enjoy , mass effect was a great game though and i really wanted to try it once it went multi.

[QUOTE="NTSC-U"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

They were never relevant. The 360 was a lucky hit but still a mediocre product.

realguitarhero5

Everyone is going to forget once everything releases. People love to argue. It's all going to come down to the games.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Excuses. You are a big mangina and everyone knows it. You also have poor memory.

In that thread, I said Halo is a AA series now and that Halo 5 is gonna get a sub-85 score on meta. You said that we should average the previous installments instead of looking at the most recent versions. I said that was bullshit, as previous installments don't give an accurate depiction of what a studio can do in the present. SE isn't churning out Final Fantasy IX-quality games right now, is it?

That looks like a challenge to me, mangina.

CallOfDutyRulez

The difference is 3 or 4 studios are handling one franchise and not just one.I'm including the studio who developed halo anniversary  as a developer of the halo franchise.It's harder to determine the quality of a franchise because of this.

We're only looking at the main installments of the series

Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo reach and Halo 4.

Two different studios developed all those games(343i and Bungie). So how the hell can you determine the quality of the studio from that?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Just because your brain is damanged and that you can't word your thoughts properly doesn't mean that you and I both don't know what you were trying to say.

I said: The best xbox exclusive isn't even a AAA now.

I was talking about the franchise as a whole and no one could interpret it as anything else.

realguitarhero5

even if that's what you were trying to say, how did you get me saying that halo 5 will be AAA?

AAA=90% +on metacritc and gamespot.And don;t listen to the TC.He failed at explaining why halo is not an AAA franchise anymore.

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

even if that's what you were trying to say, how did you get me saying that halo 5 will be AAA?

super600

AAA=90% +on metacritc and gamespot.And don;t listen to the TC.He failed at explaining why halo is not an AAA franchise anymore.

Most recent main installment of franchise isn't AAA. That means series is AA now.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

The only reason the PS3 caught the 360 is because of the 9:1 sales advantage in Japan. The 360 sells more in NA (currently) and in the UK (currently), but sells less in the rest of the world. However, without the Japan 9:1 advantage, the "rest of the world" numbers are not enough for the PS3 to catch the 360.

In everywhere in the world, regardless of who is winning in sales, the numbers are not skewed like Japan. Not even close.

tormentos

That liek saying the only reason the xbox 360 was ever in front was because of the US sales,in 2 of the 3 biggest market the PS3 dominated EU and Japan,since UK is part of EU is included in those sales and no enough to keed the xbox 360 ahead on EU.

In other wors if my grand mother would have not die she would still be living..duh..

Not at all. The advantage in the US was not 9:1, not even close.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]And besides, how do you figure that Halo isn't AAA anymore? Gears of War isn't a huge release anymore, but Forza and Halo sure are.

CallOfDutyRulez

AAA=90% +on metacritc and gamespot.And don;t listen to the TC.He failed at explaining why halo is not an AAA franchise anymore.

Most recent main installment of franchise isn't AAA. That means series is AA now.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

The only reason the PS3 caught the 360 is because of the 9:1 sales advantage in Japan. The 360 sells more in NA (currently) and in the UK (currently), but sells less in the rest of the world. However, without the Japan 9:1 advantage, the "rest of the world" numbers are not enough for the PS3 to catch the 360.

In everywhere in the world, regardless of who is winning in sales, the numbers are not skewed like Japan. Not even close.

StormyJoe

That liek saying the only reason the xbox 360 was ever in front was because of the US sales,in 2 of the 3 biggest market the PS3 dominated EU and Japan,since UK is part of EU is included in those sales and no enough to keed the xbox 360 ahead on EU.

In other wors if my grand mother would have not die she would still be living..duh..

Not at all. The advantage in the US was not 9:1, not even close.

What do ratios have to do with this?

The gap between PS3 and 360 sales in the US is bigger than the amount of PS3s SONY sells in Japan.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

 

AAA=90% +on metacritc and gamespot.And don;t listen to the TC.He failed at explaining why halo is not an AAA franchise anymore.

SecretPolice

Most recent main installment of franchise isn't AAA. That means series is AA now.

Newp. Previous installments of games don't indicate what the studio can do here and now. The score of the most recent game is a better indication of quality than a game a studio made 10+ years ago.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

That liek saying the only reason the xbox 360 was ever in front was because of the US sales,in 2 of the 3 biggest market the PS3 dominated EU and Japan,since UK is part of EU is included in those sales and no enough to keed the xbox 360 ahead on EU.

In other wors if my grand mother would have not die she would still be living..duh..

CallOfDutyRulez

Not at all. The advantage in the US was not 9:1, not even close.

What do ratios have to do with this?

The gap between PS3 and 360 sales in the US is bigger than the amount of PS3s SONY sells in Japan.

Ratios are more important than the discrepancy count.

1. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 100 million to 90 million, then the competition is close.
2. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 12 million to 2 million, then widget A is destroying widget B in sales.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Not at all. The advantage in the US was not 9:1, not even close.

StormyJoe

What do ratios have to do with this?

The gap between PS3 and 360 sales in the US is bigger than the amount of PS3s SONY sells in Japan.

Ratios are more important than the discrepancy count.

1. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 100 million to 90 million, then the competition is close.
2. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 12 million to 2 million, then widget A is destroying widget B in sales.

Is it just me, or does any other non-xbox fan realize that xbox fans have really, really bad logic?

First it was that Shaine moron who thinks DS3 is in the same generation as DS4 and tried to twist the words of a BF4 dev. Now this.

Yeah, the PS3 destroyed the 360 in Japan. How does that change the fact that the PS3 beat out the 360? Why do we count sales in the US and UK but not sales in Japan?

Well Microsoft did hurt themselves but I don't think it destroyed them. I remember people back in the day were saying how the PlayStation brand was doomed and looks at how things are now. lol 

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Most recent main installment of franchise isn't AAA. That means series is AA now.

CallOfDutyRulez

Newp. Previous installments of games don't indicate what the studio can do here and now. The score of the most recent game is a better indication of quality than a game a studio made 10+ years ago.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Nada, need only have three AAA's in a row and very very few franchises have achieved that feat but after that, the series is thought of as AAA but that's not to say the series can't be said to be going down hill if after that future entries start scoring lower than AAA. :P

SecretPolice

Newp. Previous installments of games don't indicate what the studio can do here and now. The score of the most recent game is a better indication of quality than a game a studio made 10+ years ago.

Is SE churning out FF IX-quality games now? Yeah, I didn't think so.

The most recent games are more relevant than averages.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

Newp. Previous installments of games don't indicate what the studio can do here and now. The score of the most recent game is a better indication of quality than a game a studio made 10+ years ago.

CallOfDutyRulez

Is SE churning out FF IX-quality games now? Yeah, I didn't think so.

The most recent games are more relevant than averages.

Eh, it's no biggie either way if ya know what I mean - senseless SW bickering is all. :P

[QUOTE="Heil68"]After MS got knocked the fvck out at E3, they flushed their whole vision of the console down the shitter, so it does seem that way. :(ShaineTheNerd

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]And besides, how do you figure that Halo isn't AAA anymore?  Gears of War isn't a huge release anymore, but Forza and Halo sure are.

CallOfDutyRulez

AAA=90% +on metacritc and gamespot.And don;t listen to the TC.He failed at explaining why halo is not an AAA franchise anymore.

Most recent main installment of franchise isn't AAA. That means series is AA now.

:|

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

What do ratios have to do with this?

The gap between PS3 and 360 sales in the US is bigger than the amount of PS3s SONY sells in Japan.

CallOfDutyRulez

Ratios are more important than the discrepancy count.

1. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 100 million to 90 million, then the competition is close.
2. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 12 million to 2 million, then widget A is destroying widget B in sales.

Is it just me, or does any other non-xbox fan realize that xbox fans have really, really bad logic?

First it was that Shaine moron who thinks DS3 is in the same generation as DS4 and tried to twist the words of a BF4 dev. Now this.

Yeah, the PS3 destroyed the 360 in Japan. How does that change the fact that the PS3 beat out the 360? Why do we count sales in the US and UK but not sales in Japan?

Did I say to exclude any territory? No, I did not. What I did say, and what I am saying now, is that the heavliy skewed sales ratio in Japan is the reason the PS3's numbers are the same as the 360 numbers. In every other territory, one beats the other but the ratio of sales is no where near what it is in Japan.

So, the statement "The PS3 out sells the 360 worldwide" is technically true, but it is not as though the PS3 outsells the 360 in every market. It "out sells" the 360 globally because it owns such a skewed sales advantage in Japan. By just making a blanket "The PS3 outsells the 360 worldwide" statement, you are inferring that the PS3 outsells the 360 everywhere outside the US, and that is simply not true.

The only company that "flushed away" their gainings was Nintendo. Microsoft is going to be ok, but I think anyone banking on it being the "global leader" is deluding themselves. Same for Sony. Sales will be pretty close near the end of the gen, but I think Sony is currently starting off stronger.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Ratios are more important than the discrepancy count.

1. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 100 million to 90 million, then the competition is close.
2. if widget A is 10 million behind widget B in sales, but the actual numbers are 12 million to 2 million, then widget A is destroying widget B in sales.

StormyJoe

Is it just me, or does any other non-xbox fan realize that xbox fans have really, really bad logic?

First it was that Shaine moron who thinks DS3 is in the same generation as DS4 and tried to twist the words of a BF4 dev. Now this.

Yeah, the PS3 destroyed the 360 in Japan. How does that change the fact that the PS3 beat out the 360? Why do we count sales in the US and UK but not sales in Japan?

Did I say to exclude any territory? No, I did not. What I did say, and what I am saying now, is that the heavliy skewed sales ratio in Japan is the reason the PS3's numbers are the same as the 360 numbers. In every other territory, one beats the other but the ratio of sales is no where near what it is in Japan.

So, the statement "The PS3 out sells the 360 worldwide" is technically true, but it is not as though the PS3 outsells the 360 in every market. It "out sells" the 360 globally because it owns such a skewed sales advantage in Japan. By just making a blanket "The PS3 outsells the 360 worldwide" statement, you are inferring that the PS3 outsells the 360 everywhere outside the US, and that is simply not true.

Your argument with ratios still doesn't make any sense.

And your last sentence is just stupid, typical of a lemming.