Digital Foundry hands on with actual PS4 - Some games sub 30fps

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[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Terrible for next gen games on PS4. Where did that Gddr5 ram go?

faizan_faizan

Ram doesn't fix framerates. I don't understand how such a simple concept like RAM is so misunderstood. This is shit you learn in grade 10 programming.

On what planet is more RAM = more bandwidth? Unless you want to literally duplicate every texture and geomtry instance over and over. So yeah, you can have a ton of blurry, pixelated textures and improive bandwidth.

Wow, my beloved PS4 struggles to achieve 30 FPS at games that look worse than 2007 PC games? :(

WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME GODNY!??

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

UnknownSniper65

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

Krelian-co

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

AM-Gamer

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

I expect them to run smooth.  That's not really asking for a whole lot

This is in stark contrast to the playable software confirmed to be running direct from Xbox One hardware, such as Forza Motorsport 5 and Killer Instinct, which benefit to no end for targeting the 1080p60 gold standard, and largely succeed in doing so.

this won't sit well with the basement dwellers.. lets see the ocean of excuses being made :cool:

Tessellation

LOL the two games that look like they came right off the 360 run smooth on the Xbox one? Wow congrats you can run current gen graphics smooth .  I find it funny you forget the part when they mention Infamous runs without a glitch .

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

lostrib

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

I expect them to run smooth.  That's not really asking for a whole lot

And most of them will . They mentioned Infamous second son ran without a hitch and everyone whos seen it in person said it looked amazing. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

AM-Gamer

I expect them to run smooth.  That's not really asking for a whole lot

And most of them will . They mentioned Infamous second son ran without a hitch and everyone whos seen it in person said it looked amazing. 

yeah but this lists some of their other big names like drive club and KZ SF.  So they better get their shit together by the launch time

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

AM-Gamer

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

at least they had the actual system there unlike some people also i don't judge launch titles for what a system can truly do and don't see why anyone else would. The farther we get into the gen the more we will see it shine, also add to the fact that developers didn't even know about the extra ram before the launch conference, i'm content with what we are getting on launch day.

at least they had the actual system there unlike some people also i don't judge launch titles for what a system can truly do and don't see why anyone else would. The farther we get into the gen the more we will see it shine, also add to the fact that developers didn't even know about the extra ram before the launch conference, i'm content with what we are getting on launch day.

Chris_Williams

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[QUOTE="cheesie253"] And that as of now is just another "someone said" rumor. I like how you once again took things out of context. cheesie253

It was said by the legendary CBOAT.

You can believe what you want, but I'll stick with the guy with a proven trackrecord.

He say right beside to remain free unconfirmed..:lol:

Forza 5 was running on an Xbox dev kit so all you haters keep believing it wasn't. You are going to be in for a surprised. 

"PS4 is 10 times the power of PS3".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csr6ahk5RMg

"Xbox One is 8 times the power of 360".

https://twitter.com/XboxP3

Truth_Hurts_U

And that is by MS word we all know how good it is,hell they say 10 times just a few weeks ago,then 3 now 8.

By the spec leak is 5 to 6 times more powerful.

Forza 5 was running on an Xbox dev kit so all you haters keep believing it wasn't. You are going to be in for a surprised. 

xhawk27

You people are trying to hard Firza is well ahead of drive club on development drive club is 35% complete.

Again no game on xbox one look like Infamous,not even Ryse.

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Forza 5 was running on an Xbox dev kit so all you haters keep believing it wasn't. You are going to be in for a surprised. 

tormentos

You people are trying to hard Firza is well ahead of drive club on development drive club is 35% complete.

Again no game on xbox one look like Infamous,not even Ryse.

Isn't Drive club a launch game. 

1080p, 60FPS should be the standard next gen, still considering buying a PS4 and if the majority of games don't follow the Trend I might just not bother and put the money to continue upgrading my PC.

Assassin's creed and watch dogs will Freeze on your PS4 going by what happend at E3.

jimmypsn

And Infamous will look better than anything on xbox one,you know going by the CG like gamplay that was show on E3.

1080p, 60FPS should be the standard next gen, still considering buying a PS4 and if the majority of games don't follow the Trend I might just not bother and put the money to continue upgrading my PC.

Blake135

Well, then you're gonna be disappointed with the ONE. 15 FPS with a shit graphics, open-world game doesn't sound to promising.

 

Isn't Drive club a launch game. 

xhawk27

Yep and from what i read it shold be delay,this game is been rush.

Unfinished games at least 5 months before release not having steady framerates?

Never.

LOL Clownzone I'm more interested in multiplats at the PS4 launchRR360DD

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Forza 5 was running on an Xbox dev kit so all you haters keep believing it wasn't. You are going to be in for a surprised. 

tormentos

You people are trying to hard Firza is well ahead of drive club on development drive club is 35% complete.

Again no game on xbox one look like Infamous,not even Ryse.

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

AM-Gamer

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Forza 5 was running on an Xbox dev kit so all you haters keep believing it wasn't. You are going to be in for a surprised. 

tormentos

You people are trying to hard Firza is well ahead of drive club on development drive club is 35% complete.

Again no game on xbox one look like Infamous,not even Ryse.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

Forza 5 was running on an Xbox dev kit so all you haters keep believing it wasn't. You are going to be in for a surprised. 

silversix_

You people are trying to hard Firza is well ahead of drive club on development drive club is 35% complete.

Again no game on xbox one look like Infamous,not even Ryse.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

You people are trying to hard Firza is well ahead of drive club on development drive club is 35% complete.

Again no game on xbox one look like Infamous,not even Ryse.

cheesie253

How about we wait until the console is released as well as the games?Also those are launch titles.

M$ is so afrais they didnt even let ppl play their console , heck they used to fake kinect stage demos in previous E3s.

That Digital Foundry link is full of owange.  Tormentoes and the rest of the cows must be crying in denial right about now.  :lol:

Have you ever heard BAD GRAPHIC ENGINE OPTIMIZATION ?!! Or some people trying to blame PS4 for lower FPS than expected ? If companies are lazy or their graphic engine not optimal then its not systems fault but developing one.

 

At least Sony didnt run games on ... PCs like some others lol

AzatiS

That Digital Foundry link is full of owange. Tormentoes and the rest of the cows must be crying in denial right about now. :lol:

Rage010101

This is a doozy.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29409849/dead-rising-3-on-actual-xbox-one-hardware-running-at-sub-30fps

That Digital Foundry link is full of owange.  Tormentoes and the rest of the cows must be crying in denial right about now.  :lol:

Rage010101

Not really since the TC just copy and pasted negative parts of the article.  

Notice he completely left out the Infamous preview where Digital foundry says " it made there jaw drop" and that it ran without a hitch.

They also said the PS4 versionof AC:Black Flag ran smooth and looked far superior then the DX11 version of AC3.  But for some reason you dont see hermits posting those quotes do you? 

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Xbox One is having the same issue. Both next generation consoles aren't as advanced hardware wise as people were thinking. 

AM-Gamer

ofc they are not, they are middle end pcs, if you believe consolites you are making your first mistake

God hermits are such morons, you honestly expect launch titles to look outstanding and run smooth?   They spend  3 quaters of there dev time on incomplete hardware.  The 360 hard problems running quake 4 at 30fps and the game looks like complete trash compared to other 360 titles by todays standards. 

I think its pretty unreasonable that developers can't get a decent framerate on set hardware. It hints towards the fact that the hardware isn't as great as people were originally thinking. Both consoles are running mid range AMD HD 7000 series GPUs. The Xbox One's equivalent GPU is an AMD HD7770 which gets beaten in benchmarks by the Nvidia GTX 480 from 2010. I remember a couple of months back EA was touting that next generation consoles were a full generation a head of gaming PCs, it seems its the other way around. The difference isn't going to be as huge as people think it is going to be especially if you've been gaming on PC. I haven't seen anything in the launch line ups of either consoles that couldn't have been done in the past two years on PC. 

Theres still development time for the games before actual release so i dont know why everyone is panicking, plus the fact that first gen titles on all new consoles are never fully indicative of what the machine can/will do in the future, every gen has been the same and this will follow suit.

Lets all just wait and see.

Inexcusable for a next-gen console. Still have a few months of polish, but come on. I thought we were past 30fps.Stevo_the_gamer

Then you were rather naive.

Lighting, textures and poly counts sell games, not frame rate.

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taking all this with a heavy bin of salt.

it's good they were willing to be so open about the games however, most people couldn't even get hands on with the Xbone apparently.

Tessellation

Wow people are still complaining about driveclub´s framerate, do some research, they showed an old build at E3 that was only 35% complete, in other words they showed a pre-alpha version of the game.

www.n4g.com/news/1279865/driveclub-e3-2013-in-game-footage-team-vvv

So now we're judging gaming performance with unoptimised software months from launch?  Seems legit.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Inexcusable for a next-gen console. Still have a few months of polish, but come on. I thought we were past 30fps.Cherokee_Jack

Then you were rather naive.

Lighting, textures and poly counts sell games, not frame rate.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Lol at KZ. AncientDozer

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] #bannedclyde46

lol you don't have THAT much power little man

I am god like at killing floor.  Mind if I can get in on that action?

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="clyde46"]Lol at KZ. XxR3m1xInHDn3D

For the love of god, shut up, Sony confirmed they will release 20 EXCLUSIVES in the first year of the PS4´s lifecycle while MS will only release 15 xbone exclusives in the first year on the xbone lifecycle.

http://egamer.co.za/2013/06/e3-2013-ps4-confirms-more-than-30-exclusive-titles-in-development-and-over-100-games-for-the-first-year/

Terrible for next gen games on PS4. Where did that Gddr5 ram go?

jimmypsn

Existing Killzone's input lag(1) on Killzone SF indicates "quick and dirty" game port. GDDR5 wouldn't solve sloppy game port issues.

Reference

1. " A strong trace of input lag is felt when turning the analogue sticks - a quirk that hangs over from the Killzone 2 days. It's a delay in response that is impossible to ignore after playing snappier low-latency shooters"

Another example

Without 3rd party mods, Dark Souls PC runs like Xbox 360 version (but with smoother 30 fps) regardless if it's running on flagship PC GPU. 384bit 7Ghz GDDR5 memory wouldn't solve these type of "quick and dirty" game port.

Turn10's extensive AMD GPU codebase/knowledgebase would be superior to Sony's PS3 codebase/knowledgebase.

and folks this is why I have a PC. The performance of my gaming machine isn't based off of what one of the big 3 decides to give me. I'm not buying whatever they have to offer and living with all the deficiencies of their poor design. Nope my rig was designed by me. I put into it what I wanted and needed. I can play games on settings that I want to play on. At the resolution that I want to play it. I'm not praying and hoping for someone to make me a good gaming machine. I'm not forced to deal with pay walls for online play. Nope not at all. My gaming life is in my control not Microsofts, or Sony or Nintendo. Seriously its actually quite liberating the more I think about it. I look at this next gen so much more objectively than when I was just a consolite. I can sit back wait for the dust to settle after one or two years then decide if I want a console or not while STILL playing next gen games. Seriously people if this upcoming generation hasn't opened of you guys eyes yet I don't know what will. I'm not relying on Sony or MS to give me a good gaming experience next gen I already have one now and in the future. Take control or your gaming and build a PC I say. Then get a console when its cheap or after there are very good exclusives for it because honestly launch tittles are NEVER that good anyway.

NFJSupreme

^  This.  Very well said my friend.