Digital Foundry vs. TLOU

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#1 Obviously_Right
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Lock if old.

Spotted this article on Eurogamer, given that Naughty God tend to bring out the jelly in others, I thought it would make great SW material...

"What interests us most about The Last of Us are the technical elements that aren't immediately apparent from the limited amount of canned footage we have, specifically in how Naughty Dog has set out to achieve its "wide linear" gameplay - the notion of tackling the game via multiple routes and adopting different game styles to suit. At its most basic level, a lot of this comes down to level design. In the walkthrough video, we see protagonist Joel taking one route through the building, but it's clear to see that there are multiple entry points, suggesting different strategies for handling the Hunters. However, what is the most intriguing element about the game is the dynamic AI, where characters move, talk and act in a highly contextual manner."


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-the-last-of-us

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Wow, look at the great graphics!

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ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it.
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Wow, look at the great graphics!

mitu123

Gives Resistance 2 a run for its money. Graphics are probably ugliest ND has done on the PS3, maybe on par with UC1.

Gameplay looks great though.

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OMG at all the jaggies in Mitu's pic.

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Wow, look at the great graphics!

mitu123

Those images don't give the game justice, looks better in motion.

*edit* After looking at the top pic and comparing it to the gameplay footage shown at E3, something seems very off...

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#7 SolidTy
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Digital Foundry aka one guy named Richard Leadbetter...meh.

I'm no longer SolidTy, I'm starting my own website to make my posts more "official-like" (Under Pixel Factory or other nonsense) so I can be quoted in SW, lol. I already see users creating websites here and linking their own sites, lol. ;)

As far as judging the game early, it doesn't impress from those screens but it's not out yet so we'll see how Naughty Dog does at release next year. It's ND, so there really isn't anything to fear.

From the article which is about the game and AI :

"As the major console platform holders prepare to replace their current-gen hardware with the new cutting edge, PlayStation 3 in particular looks set to bow out at the height of its powers, with some phenomenal offerings incoming from Sony's first-party developers. Naughty Dog's The Last of Us is one of the most promising, representing the culmination of the developer's astonishing growth over the last six years - offering us the firm's trademark technical genius combined with a gameplay formula that hints at a new level of openness and opportunity we should expect from next-gen AAA titles.

The advantage with this "lighter touch" approach to the post-process is that pixel-crawl is all but eliminated, and there is doubtless a large resource saving in comparison with Sony's established MLAA technology. In truth, the Uncharted tech remains state-of-the-art to the point where further enhancements in terms of model detail or texture quality are not really required to achieve the firm's artistic vision.

From what we've seen so far in terms of the rendering, it's the implementation of light and shadow that has seen the lion's share of the improvements. Naughty Dog points out that in its post-pandemic landscape, essential utilities like electricity are a thing of the past: nature is gradually reclaiming the world, necessitating a more organic look to the environments. The developer has already done some great work in this area, specifically with the global illumination technology that we first saw in Uncharted 2. In The Last of Us, indirect lighting - the way that light bounces from surface to surface - has received new emphasis.

Most of this will be pre-calculated offline and baked into the environments (real-time global illumination to any great degree will require next-gen graphics tech - it's the centrepiece of Unreal Engine 4) but where The Last of Us has attracted interest from Naughty Dog's rivals is in the quality of its real-time shadows. Objects and characters are beautifully lit and shaded, perfectly sitting within the environments. The jagged low-resolution dynamic shadows from Uncharted have been replaced with a far smoother effect that seems to be using multiple penumbra. Ambient occlusion, serving to add depth to the environments in the nooks and crannies, is a touch heavy in places (especially when characters move close to surfaces) but it generally looks a class apart - reminding us a little of the excellent work done by Sucker Punch for inFamous 2..."

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#8 loosingENDS
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Wow, look at the great graphics!

mitu123

LOL, to make levels wide the graphics have gone down to PS1 levels

Sony needs a PS4, yesterday, who would buy a game looking like that for 60$, that looks horrible

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#9 Rocker6
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*pics*

Wow, look at the great graphics!

mitu123

Damn you,I was going to do that,but forum was complaining about "maintenace"!

Stupid Glitchspot :(

Well,looks fairly solid for console standards,when you take into account that PS3 is 6 years old,but yeah,lots and lots of noticeable flaws...

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#10 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Wow, look at the great graphics!

slimjimbadboy

Those images don't give the game justice, looks better in motion.

*edit* After looking at the top pic and comparing it to the gameplay footage shown at E3, something seems very off...

That's true for nearly every game.

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#11 loosingENDS
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Gears 3 makes TLOU look like a NES game and has far bigger levels and vastly more detail

360 is a beast, PS3 is not even competing anymore, anything more than a narrow coriddor and seems to be only able to do PS1 graphics

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So throw open world out the window everyone. It's multiple paths, although that's still a lot more open than it should be if ND wants good graphics.
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#13 loosingENDS
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So throw open world out the window everyone. It's multiple paths, although that's still a lot more open than it should be if ND wants good graphics.StatusShuffle

The in game pics above look horrible, an open world would probably make it a text adventure

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#14 slimjimbadboy
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[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Wow, look at the great graphics!

mitu123

Those images don't give the game justice, looks better in motion.

*edit* After looking at the top pic and comparing it to the gameplay footage shown at E3, something seems very off...

That's true for nearly every game.

Yea, but I rarely go back to look for footage after seeing such meh pics lol.

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ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Blabadon
Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Wow, look at the great graphics!

slimjimbadboy

Those images don't give the game justice, looks better in motion.

*edit* After looking at the top pic and comparing it to the gameplay footage shown at E3, something seems very off...

Call me a tinfoil hatter,but isn't E3 primarily a hype-building show?

There,games on display are doctored to look at their best,that's why all multiplats were running on the PC.Could it be possible same applies for TLoU...

Remeber this?

I do agree that games look better in motion,though,but still,some flaws still remain noticeable...

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"] Those images don't give the game justice, looks better in motion.

*edit* After looking at the top pic and comparing it to the gameplay footage shown at E3, something seems very off...

slimjimbadboy

That's true for nearly every game.

Yea, but I rarely go back to look for footage after seeing such meh pics lol.

Those pics are direct feed, it's how it is when you capture them, obviously the game would look like that playing from less than 3 feet away due to how the PS3 handle it's games.

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Sushiglutton
Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Rocker6

Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Naughty Dog is the main appeal of the game.

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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).crimsonman1245

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Naughty Dog is the main appeal of the game...

...because Naughty Dog makes most impressive technical visuals when it comes to PS3 exclusives ;)

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Rocker6

Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Never saw them, can take no responsibility. The appeal for me with this game is the interaction between the two protagonísts. Also it'll be interesting to see just how scripted it is and if it will feel natural or not. Graphics are obv inferior to something like MAx Payne 3 PC or whatever, so I don't see the point discussing them.
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#23 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).crimsonman1245

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Naughty Dog is the main appeal of the game.

Watch this game be in (console)graphics kings threads once it releases.

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#24 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

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Wow, look at the great graphics!

loosingENDS

LOL, to make levels wide the graphics have gone down to PS1 levels

Sony needs a PS4, yesterday, who would buy a game looking like that for 60$, that looks horrible

if only it could handle TEH lighting and cinematic blur the way only 360 and high end pc's could ( actually 360 will give high end pc's a run for their money )
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#25 Tessellation
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so in order to have ok graphics they need to create claustrophobic corridor levels? weak

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wow herms touting their graphix again. Is it worth the extra $400 for slightly better graphics and controller choice? No, no it isn't.

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#27 Martin_G_N
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I have seen alot of crappy images of both Gears 3 and Uncharted 2/3 that just does'nt do the games justice. This game will look awesome when it's out. With TLOU there is alot of details that is more important than the shiny visuals. Like the animation, AI, and small details like the facial animation and the blood in his face when he gets hit. The Uncharted games has some great visuals...so if they have to tone it down a bit for TLOU, I don't mind.

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#28 AmazonTreeBoa
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I can't wait to play this game.
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#29 inb4uall
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so in order to have ok graphics they need to create claustrophobic corridor levels? weak

Tessellation

wait till halo 4. Then what you are calling clautrophobic now will suddenly be amazing.

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#30 Nanomage
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wow herms touting their graphix again. Is it worth the extra $400 for slightly better graphics and controller choice? No, no it isn't.

inb4uall
No,it´+ worth it to have not slightly but much better graphics,various input choices,a huge library of quality games,the best gaming service in the world and a selection of endless modifications that not only improve but add a lot more to the games themselves,not to mention actual full games that come out of that,many of the wich are classics now.
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#31 loosingENDS
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so in order to have ok graphics they need to create claustrophobic corridor levels? weak

Tessellation

That is because PS3 is so weak

360 in Gears 3 has huge levels and 10.000.000 times better graphics than Last of Us

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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).Sushiglutton

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Never saw them, can take no responsibility. The appeal for me with this game is the interaction between the two protagonísts. Also it'll be interesting to see just how scripted it is and if it will feel natural or not. Graphics are obv inferior to something like MAx Payne 3 PC or whatever, so I don't see the point discussing them.

Good for you,and I agree,the protagonist interaction looks like an interesting concept,I only wonder if it'll work right during the entire game.In the parts displayed so far,it's very nice.If I still had a PS3,would gladly try the game out...

Still,such opinions are the minority.For most cows here,this is barely a game,it's just another argument against the 360 hardware capabilities...

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Sushiglutton
Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

"dynamic AI, where characters move, talk and act in a highly contextual manner."

You make it sound as if character interaction is a new invention by naughty dog. I mean hell, TacOps (a mod for unreal) had hostiages that were terrified of the terrorist. But, if a gun lay on the ground near them, they wouldn't shy away from picking it up and shooting at the terrorists (or in some cases the rescuers if the hostage took one to many 'freindly fire' rounds :lol: )

*edit* My point is that my TacOps reference was not a highly linear and scripted game with AI that reacted to the environment even when the brick wasn't in the same spot everytime.

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

so in order to have ok graphics they need to create claustrophobic corridor levels? weak

loosingENDS

That is because PS3 is so weak

360 in Gears 3 has huge levels and 10.000.000 times better graphics than Last of Us

Your attempts to troll are so weak, pathetic, and shallow anymore.
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#35 adamosmaki
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wow herms touting their graphix again. Is it worth the extra $400 for slightly better graphics and controller choice? No, no it isn't.

inb4uall
mine cost me $300 extra over a ps3 at the time and its still able to play all games at 1080p and high settings ( on the other hand i probably saved more than $300 those 3 years if i had a ps3 and bought the amount of games i have on Ps3 ) Besides you do know a pc can do more than just gaming that a ps3 cant do ?
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[QUOTE="inb4uall"]

wow herms touting their graphix again. Is it worth the extra $400 for slightly better graphics and controller choice? No, no it isn't.

Nanomage

No,it´+ worth it to have not slightly but much better graphics,various input choices,a huge library of quality games,the best gaming service in the world and a selection of endless modifications that not only improve but add a lot more to the games themselves,not to mention actual full games that come out of that,many of the wich are classics now.

dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

:P

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#37 Fizzman
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Some of those textures look abysmal. I dont care though since i dont buy console games for their graphics. What kind of idiot would do that?

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Rocker6

Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Oh please dude stop is a damn screen which show nothing,this game in motion destroy anything on 360 not only graphically but physic wise as well,crying over a bad screen capture change nothing. The xbox 360 has nothing on this level,and when we see the game AI,and how everything works,how realistic the game is trying to be,even to the way the characters touch wall and objects this game is on another level,compare to anything and that includes the Halo 4 BS shots.
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Wow, look at the great graphics!

mitu123

Dafuq, dat tree. Looks like they ripped it from Skyward Sword or WoW...

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#40 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

so in order to have ok graphics they need to create claustrophobic corridor levels? weak

inb4uall

wait till halo 4. Then what you are calling clautrophobic now will suddenly be amazing.

i played halo reach and the levels were huge for a linear game.. and for my understanding halo games are praise for having huge levels..i really doubt 4 is going to be different.
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. slimjimbadboy

Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

"dynamic AI, where characters move, talk and act in a highly contextual manner."

You make it sound as if character interaction is a new invention by naughty dog. I mean hell, TacOps (a mod for unreal) had hostiages that were terrified of the terrorist. But, if a gun lay on the ground near them, they wouldn't shy away from picking it up and shooting at the terrorists (or in some cases the rescuers if the hostage took one to many 'freindly fire' rounds :lol: )

There is a lot of PR talk about TLoU's AI and dynamics,that's for sure,but there still is some nice interaction among protagonists,from what we've seen on E3...

I just wonder if it'll manage to work properly,and stay natural and consistent during the entire game experience...

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#42 loosingENDS
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I have seen alot of crappy images of both Gears 3 and Uncharted 2/3 that just does'nt do the games justice. This game will look awesome when it's out. With TLOU there is alot of details that is more important than the shiny visuals. Like the animation, AI, and small details like the facial animation and the blood in his face when he gets hit. The Uncharted games has some great visuals...so if they have to tone it down a bit for TLOU, I don't mind.

Martin_G_N









I dont see Last of Us comparing to Gears 3 at all, the difference is night and day

Last of Us looks like a PS1 game comparing to Gears 3

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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).tormentos

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Oh please dude stop is a damn screen which show nothing,this game in motion destroy anything on 360 not only graphically but physic wise as well,crying over a bad screen capture change nothing. The xbox 360 has nothing on this level,and when we see the game AI,and how everything works,how realistic the game is trying to be,even to the way the characters touch wall and objects this game is on another level,compare to anything and that includes the Halo 4 BS shots.

Keep dreaming, man.

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#44 tormentos
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Keep dreaming, man.PAL360
This game is so far ahead of anything 360 that is basically an insult to compare it with Halo 4 and Gear of war.
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#45 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).tormentos

Please,don't pretend like the biggest appeal of TLoU for cows isn't graphics...

There was a crapload of "TLoU kills Halo 4" graphics comparisons and discussions after E3 here on SW...

Oh please dude stop is a damn screen which show nothing,this game in motion destroy anything on 360 not only graphically but physic wise as well,crying over a bad screen capture change nothing. The xbox 360 has nothing on this level,and when we see the game AI,and how everything works,how realistic the game is trying to be,even to the way the characters touch wall and objects this game is on another level,compare to anything and that includes the Halo 4 BS shots.

Tell me,where did I say anything about TLoU being inferior to Halo 4 visually?

I don't care about graphics in either of those games,I play on the PC,and compared to most modern PC titles,this looks bad to mediocre...

I'm just saying that it feels like most cows don't care about AI,or gameplay here,they just care about technical graphics,since they can use them as an "ownage" against lems and 360 titles...

And your posts so far help to prove my point,like the one above...

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#46 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]ITT: Cows terribly misusing the word "dynamic," lems misusing the word "movie," and sheep and herms laughing about those fools arguing about it. Sushiglutton
Herms only focusing on graphics while the topic was about the AI (and smartly so as there's no game on PC with an AI like this, but there are plenty of games with better graphics).

Ofc there is, don't be silly.

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#47 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

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Wow, look at the great graphics!

SaltyMeatballs

Gives Resistance 2 a run for its money. Graphics are probably ugliest ND has done on the PS3, maybe on par with UC1.

Gameplay looks great though.

lol, looks way better if you ask me, considering that is a static screenshot, take one from the uncharted series and see how disgusting it looks rofl.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"]So throw open world out the window everyone. It's multiple paths, although that's still a lot more open than it should be if ND wants good graphics.loosingENDS

The in game pics above look horrible, an open world would probably make it a text adventure

On the bright side, we haven't seen one of those in awhile.
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#49 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]Keep dreaming, man.tormentos
This game is so far ahead of anything 360 that is basically an insult to compare it with Halo 4 and Gear of war.

I understand they are not in the same league for a cow. But, for everyone else, 360 and PS3 best looking games look pretty much on par. Well, you just have to look at LoosingEnd comparison, above.

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#50 tormentos
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I dont see Last of Us comparing to Gears 3 at all, the difference is night and day Last of Us looks like a PS1 game comparing to Gears 3loosingENDS
Me neither thank god for that.. PS1 that is allot i would say Sega CD.