DirectX 11.2 Revealed, Exclusive to Windows 8 and Xbox One

Still not downgraing to Windows 8

BPoole96

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

Game dev tools environment is windows 7. What measures has MS taken so devs can use dx11.2 features in the X1 while development is made on win7?

Announcing things alone is not enough...

ronvalencia

And yes, there were some games that were - categorically, without a shadow of a doubt - running on Xbox One hardware. It'll come as little surprise to learn that first party software was more likely to be showcased running on the new console, with Turn 10's Forza Motorsport 5 the most high profile title we saw that was visibly operating on the actual unit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one

WTF are you talking about???

You DO realize that games are made on PCs, right? Developers environment for PS4/X1 in win7 for this new gen. Many devs came forward saying how much they hated win8 and would refuse to use win8 environment for developing.

I am not talking about X1 games running on PCs at E3.. that is something completely different.

Paying money to get a new OS that is useless for a non-touch interface

And no I'm not suggesting you should use other means to get Windows 8, I'm saying that it's a waste of money and no one should get it, unless they have a cintiq tablet PC or some shit like that.

parkurtommo

Windows 8 is the most clunky OS to use with a mouse or touchpad.PonchoTaco

I'd wager that neither of you have actually used it, you should probably hold your judgement 'til then.

If you 'really' have a hard on for the start menu, like it's the only thing that gets your dick up in life, you can get a program to bring it back. You don't need to use it, there is a fully functioning desktop, however Metro's actually perfectly fine as a start menu.

Please tell me where this is currently being used where it will be can be brought to games through a widely distributed and used API such as DirectX. Crickets.....lhughey

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures-amd_sparse_texture/

(Rage, a game from 2011. id, as always and regardless of quality, ahead of their time.) 

OpenGL btw.

[QUOTE="lhughey"]Please tell me where this is currently being used where it will be can be brought to games through a widely distributed and used API such as DirectX. Crickets.....Inconsistancy

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures-amd_sparse_texture/

(Rage, a game from 2011. id, as always and regardless of quality, ahead of their time.) 

OpenGL btw.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]Paying money to get a new OS that is useless for a non-touch interface

And no I'm not suggesting you should use other means to get Windows 8, I'm saying that it's a waste of money and no one should get it, unless they have a cintiq tablet PC or some shit like that.

Inconsistancy

Windows 8 is the most clunky OS to use with a mouse or touchpad.PonchoTaco

I'd wager that neither of you have actually used it, you should probably hold your judgement 'til then.

If you 'really' have a hard on for the start menu, like it's the only thing that gets your dick up in life, you can get a program to bring it back. You don't need to use it, there is a fully functioning desktop, however Metro's actually perfectly fine as a start menu.

I use the OS just about every day (part of my job). I still rest my case that the OS is the most clunky OS to use with a mouse or touchpad.PonchoTaco

You have a very poor case considering that i've yet to meet a single person who has disproven my claim: Nearly everything in Windows 8 takes either the same, if not fewer, steps than Windows 7.

How is Windows 8 worse with a mouse or touchpad when it is functionally equivalent (if not better) than Windows 7?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="lhughey"]Please tell me where this is currently being used where it will be can be brought to games through a widely distributed and used API such as DirectX. Crickets.....lx_theo

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures-amd_sparse_texture/

(Rage, a game from 2011. id, as always and regardless of quality, ahead of their time.) 

OpenGL btw.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures-amd_sparse_texture/

(Rage, a game from 2011. id, as always and regardless of quality, ahead of their time.) 

OpenGL btw.

Inconsistancy

ah microsoft the old directx exclusive, you will never learn, people didnt give a damn with vista, people will not give a damn in windows 8

I'm already using windows h8, Expecting a minor visual upgrade just like every version of direct x.

ah microsoft the old directx exclusive, you will never learn, people didnt give a damn with vista, people will not give a damn in windows 8

Krelian-co

   This. As an example: I think that Bad Company 2 environment destruction puts to shame Battlefield 3, and BC 2 works under DirectX 9.c whereas Battlefield 3 not only uses Direct X 11 but also makes DirectX 10 mandatory. And games DirectX 9 like Crysis 1 had environment destruction + real time day/night cycle in both sp and mp whereas the most recent iterations lacks those features despite being "optimized" for DirectX 10 and 11.

   So DirectX 11.2 means essentially nothing, as was the case with DX 11.1, DX 11 and DX 10.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ah microsoft the old directx exclusive, you will never learn, people didnt give a damn with vista, people will not give a damn in windows 8

Ondoval

This. As an example: I think that Bad Company 2 environment destruction puts to shame Battlefield 3, and BC 2 works under DirectX 9.c whereas Battlefield 3 not only uses Direct X 11 but also makes DirectX 10 mandatory. And games DirectX 9 like Crysis 1 had environment destruction + real time day/night cycle in both sp and mp whereas the most recent iterations lacks those features despite being "optimized" for DirectX 10 and 11.

So DirectX 11.2 means essentially nothing, as was the case with DX 11.1, DX 11 and DX 10.

I'm honestly hoping for more optimized game performance, not expecting much if anything on the visual front aside from tech demo's.

Still not downgraing to Windows 8

BPoole96

Lol no way does this make use of the amazing tech of Windows 8 so I bet this will be hacked to work on W7

if its even worthwhile...

Since consoles will use it most probably this will be the next substantial DX upgrade in a looooong while.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lunar1122"]

If windows 8 is worth the upgrade (this new version). I will be pirating it. As i mentioned many times before, i will not support microsoft and their daylight robbery tactics of overcharging for operating systems...       Microsoft is the sole reason why PC gaming almost died a couple years back. They have done nothing but hurt the scene . If not for Gabe leaving the sinister microsoft and starting his own company Valve , we pc gamers would have been left to ROT and DIE off. Its thanks to valve and steam other companies are also trying to follow suit in the pc space with similar digitial clients. Thus pc gaming is bouncing back to its former glory.        Microsoft gave us the middle fingur when they should have been leading in the pc gaming space.       The fact that there isnt even a windows "gaming edition" thats cheap to help bring in more gamers for the pc scene to lower the cost of entry shows to me they want pc gaming to struggle and hope you go to Xbox. 

You go look at all those asain pc bangs, or anywhere across the world, Does microsoft really think pc gaming would be viable with such blatantly overpriced operating system ?  i see on amazon 200 dollars for ultimate edition, and 100 for regular 64 bit edition that every pc gamer would need today.  They really think 100 in an operating system is justified.  They all pirate the windows cause thats the only way it will remain viable. 

You mean to tell me , microsoft cant release a 64bit dx 11 bare bones edition, without explorer/word/notepad/crapMSfreegames/outlookexpress.. .All of them are junk and have better free alternates, Such as Chrome for surfing, Thunderbird for outlook express.. The most i'd pay for an Operating system is $5 dollars. 

 

Nothing from me microsoft. If your new piece of crap is good for gaming i will get a fresh precracked copy of TPB.

clyde46

No games will use it

Things like this really irk me about Microplunk. I run Windows 7 on my PC and just yesterday I noticed my desktop weather widget wouldn't open. I went through the personalization page and it told me Microsoft no longer supports desktop widgets for Windows 7 but recommended me upgrading to Windows 8 to experience the fully supported App features. Basically they intentionally erased part of the operating system to make it less enjoyable. I really hope everything they do fails miserably because they are the biggest turd bags in the industry.

So Microsoft literally just gave the middle fingure to thee 44% of the pc market that own windows 7. Ya this doesn't make me want windows 8 not that I would buy it anyway. It only makes me think maybe I should run  linux pirate windows 7 and partition it a space only for games. Hell why is windows 7 still as expensive as windows 8?  It only diters me from buying their products.

Yes, custom/specific hardware gets better performance from custom libraries made with it in mind.

MS just added some extensions to DX11 for Xbox One.

I do wonder how that will work out, and with the gaming OS being a secondary OS.

Will it get the same low level almost-direct-to-metal access as PS4 APIs?

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]Paying money to get a new OS that is useless for a non-touch interface

And no I'm not suggesting you should use other means to get Windows 8, I'm saying that it's a waste of money and no one should get it, unless they have a cintiq tablet PC or some shit like that.

Inconsistancy

Windows 8 is the most clunky OS to use with a mouse or touchpad.PonchoTaco

I'd wager that neither of you have actually used it, you should probably hold your judgement 'til then.

If you 'really' have a hard on for the start menu, like it's the only thing that gets your dick up in life, you can get a program to bring it back. You don't need to use it, there is a fully functioning desktop, however Metro's actually perfectly fine as a start menu.

Things like this really irk me about Microplunk. I run Windows 7 on my PC and just yesterday I noticed my desktop weather widget wouldn't open. I went through the personalization page and it told me Microsoft no longer supports desktop widgets for Windows 7 but recommended me upgrading to Windows 8 to experience the fully supported App features. Basically they intentionally erased part of the operating system to make it less enjoyable. I really hope everything they do fails miserably because they are the biggest turd bags in the industry.

egger7577

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] [QUOTE="PonchoTaco"]Windows 8 is the most clunky OS to use with a mouse or touchpad.parkurtommo

I'd wager that neither of you have actually used it, you should probably hold your judgement 'til then.

If you 'really' have a hard on for the start menu, like it's the only thing that gets your dick up in life, you can get a program to bring it back. You don't need to use it, there is a fully functioning desktop, however Metro's actually perfectly fine as a start menu.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

well look for this to be a trend, 11.3 dx will be exclusive to the 8 x1 combo. MSFT locking out the market, PS4 a generation behind.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

well look for this to be a trend, 11.3 dx will be exclusive to the 8 x1 combo. MSFT locking out the market, PS4 a generation behind.

superclocked

"The functionality will get exposed as the OpenGL extension AMD_sparse_texture no vendor independent extension :-( Lets see what NVidia comes up with and hope that it wont be too different (and we will get a EXT or even ARB sooner). The extension itself is not online yet at the OpenGL registry."-http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures-amd_sparse_texture/

And AMD's Leo demo uses it! (in OpenGL)
http://developer.amd.com/resources/documentation-articles/samples-demos/gpu-demos/amd-radeon-hd-7900-series-graphics-real-time-demos/

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Basically, MS is full of shit. Surprise!

And 

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Seems to suggest PS4 may actually use DX11 anyway...

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lowe0"] With free OSes available, there is simply no excuse for piracy. If you don't think their work is worth the asking price, that's entirely your decision, but nothing entitles you to the fruits of their labors.lowe0

We seriously need a competitor to DirectX. It's not right that Microsoft can strangle an entire industry by making it exclusive to their Windows 8 store.

KungfuKitten

You mean openGL? Which is used by PS3/PS4 and probably the wii u?

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

We seriously need a competitor to DirectX. It's not right that Microsoft can strangle an entire industry by making it exclusive to their Windows 8 store.

way2funny

You mean OpenGL? Which is used by PS3/PS4 and probably the wii u?

Well from what I'm seeing it seems to be all about more optimization, and not actual new features. Not worth suffering with windows 8 for.harry_james_pot

Win 8 is no different than win 7 from a usability perspective especially if you use the Win button on your keyboard then type in the name of the app you want to open. If you like to take the slow way of grabbing your mouse then going to the start menu then selecting your app, then yes it is a lil different (but win8 is after). Instead of opening a heirarchy of start menus folders, all your programs are flat.

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] They said, during that conference, "Exclusive to Windows 8.1 and next-gen consoles" ('s', as in plural).Inconsistancy

"The functionality will get exposed as the OpenGL extension AMD_sparse_texture no vendor independent extension :-( Lets see what NVidia comes up with and hope that it wont be too different (and we will get a EXT or even ARB sooner). The extension itself is not online yet at the OpenGL registry."-http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures-amd_sparse_texture/

And AMD's Leo demo uses it! (in OpenGL)
http://developer.amd.com/resources/documentation-articles/samples-demos/gpu-demos/amd-radeon-hd-7900-series-graphics-real-time-demos/

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Basically, MS is full of shit. Surprise!

And 

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

Seems to suggest PS4 may actually use DX11 anyway...

The C4 Engine uses openGL, and C4 supports PS3 and PS4. Therefore PS4 uses opengl

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

We seriously need a competitor to DirectX. It's not right that Microsoft can strangle an entire industry by making it exclusive to their Windows 8 store.

Inconsistancy

You mean OpenGL? Which is used by PS3/PS4 and probably the wii u?

I mean, the reason DirectX is used is because its a more complete package, it has input libraries, libraries to display a canvas, etc. OpenGL is only for drawing. With OpenGL, you are able to "paint" but openGL does not give you the canvas in which you can "paint" on. So the downside is that OpenGL is more bare bones, which means more work on the side of the dev. But the upside is, you can easily port it to MANY other platforms if it is programmed right. 

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"]Well from what I'm seeing it seems to be all about more optimization, and not actual new features. Not worth suffering with windows 8 for.lhughey

Win 8 is no different than win 7 from a usability perspective especially if you use the Win button on your keyboard then type in the name of the app you want to open. If you like to take the slow way of grabbing your mouse then going to the start menu then selecting your app, then yes it is a lil different (but win8 is after). Instead of opening a heirarchy of start menus folders, all your programs are flat.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ah microsoft the old directx exclusive, you will never learn, people didnt give a damn with vista, people will not give a damn in windows 8

Ondoval

   This. As an example: I think that Bad Company 2 environment destruction puts to shame Battlefield 3, and BC 2 works under DirectX 9.c whereas Battlefield 3 not only uses Direct X 11 but also makes DirectX 10 mandatory. And games DirectX 9 like Crysis 1 had environment destruction + real time day/night cycle in both sp and mp whereas the most recent iterations lacks those features despite being "optimized" for DirectX 10 and 11.

   So DirectX 11.2 means essentially nothing, as was the case with DX 11.1, DX 11 and DX 10.

This could possibly be due to the fact that DirectX is a graphics API and not a physics one...

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

I'd wager that neither of you have actually used it, you should probably hold your judgement 'til then.

If you 'really' have a hard on for the start menu, like it's the only thing that gets your dick up in life, you can get a program to bring it back. You don't need to use it, there is a fully functioning desktop, however Metro's actually perfectly fine as a start menu.

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Ondoval"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ah microsoft the old directx exclusive, you will never learn, people didnt give a damn with vista, people will not give a damn in windows 8

Silenthps

   This. As an example: I think that Bad Company 2 environment destruction puts to shame Battlefield 3, and BC 2 works under DirectX 9.c whereas Battlefield 3 not only uses Direct X 11 but also makes DirectX 10 mandatory. And games DirectX 9 like Crysis 1 had environment destruction + real time day/night cycle in both sp and mp whereas the most recent iterations lacks those features despite being "optimized" for DirectX 10 and 11.

   So DirectX 11.2 means essentially nothing, as was the case with DX 11.1, DX 11 and DX 10.

This could possibly be due to the fact that DirectX is a graphics API and not a physics one...

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] But there's no reason to upgrade, there are no significant new features that would increase performance and that sort of shit.parkurtommo

LOL, wait, your serious?? There aren't very many differences between the two, the most notable one being purely cosmetic! XP just had some benefits like the 64 bit version but by that time most people just went to windows 7 anyway.

Still not downgraing to Windows 8

BPoole96

Everyone's $2000 PC is already obsolete. Dat DirectX 11.2 only on Xbox One and 2014 PC hardwares.

Everyone's $2000 PC is already obsolete. Dat DirectX 11.2 only on Xbox One and 2014 PC hardwares.

Mr_BillGates

What a stupid statement.

AMD Catalyst Windows® 8.1 Preview Driver from AMD. http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystWIN8-1PreviewDriver.aspx

it's only been a couple years since devs started dropping DX9. what makes anyone think DX11.2 will be important within the next years?BrunoBRS

Xbox One.

Windows 8.1 is also free for all Windows 8 owners.

AMD GCN has features to support DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 and DirectX 11.2 (including hardware accelerated tiled resource feature via AMD PRT).

Ps4 been using this before even being createdsilversix_

AMD PRT is not new i.e. 7970 was released late December 2011. AMD PRT was designed for heterogeneous memory designs i.e. small fast memory pool with large slower memory pool.

For NVIDIA's POV on DX11.2's Tiled Resources refer to http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/06/26/higher-fidelity-graphics-with-less-memory-at-microsoft-build/

"Higher Fidelity Graphics with Less Memory at Microsoft Build"

Why are you people so bothered about DX11.2?

Its not like it is going to magically turn the 12CUs of the X1 GPU into 18, or the 5gb free ddr3 ram into 7gb gddr5. (or the 16 ROPs into 32)

In the end it doesnt matter...

Why are you people so bothered about DX11.2?

Its not like it is going to magically turn the 12CUs of the X1 GPU into 18, or the 5gb free ddr3 ram into 7gb gddr5. (or the 16 ROPs into 32)

In the end it doesnt matter...

ManatuBeard

AMD PRT lessens the workloads for machines with heterogeneous memory speed designs i.e. it wasn't designed with PS4's unified memory design.

AMD PRT/DX11.2 would be important for PCs and X1 as both has heterogeneous memory speed designs.

Read NVIDIA's statement on this subject http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/06/26/higher-fidelity-graphics-with-less-memory-at-microsoft-build/