DMC 3 is better than DMC 2011

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="pills4louis"] Fixed againpills4louis

Ninja Theory will improve nearly every aspect of the game, thats why they got hired.

crimsonman1245

DMC2 got great scores.

Other M got great scores.

Sonic HEroes was decent, then the crappy Sonic games came. But then the Wii version of Sonic Unleashed and Colors were great ;)

No problems here.

DMC2 got great scores.

Other M got great scores.

Sonic HEroes was decent

the Wii version of Sonic Unleashed and Colors were great ;)

No problems here.

LastRambo341

I will provide citation if necessary to prove you wrong about the games highlighted in red. I usually don't like to go by metascores, but I promise you-- absolutely promise you-- that none of them have scored 80% or higher on Metacritic and GameRankings. For the record, general consensus on rating scales dictates that 8/10 = great, 7/10 = good. Good scores =/= great scores. If I remember correctly, Other M was the highest-rated among the games you mentioned in that post, with a 78.55% metascore. Abysmal for a Metroid game, with abysmal sales to match.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

DMC2 got great scores.

Other M got great scores.

Sonic HEroes was decent

the Wii version of Sonic Unleashed and Colors were great ;)

No problems here.

pills4louis

I will provide citation if necessary to prove you wrong about the games highlighted in red. I usually don't like to go by metascores, but I promise you-- absolutely promise you-- that none of them have scored 80% or higher on Metacritic and GameRankings. For the record, general consensus on rating scales dictates that 8/10 = great, 7/10 = good. Good scores =/= great scores. If I remember correctly, Other M was the highest-rated among the games you mentioned in that post, with a 78.55% metascore. Abysmal for a Metroid game, with abysmal sales to match.

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

DMC2 got great scores.

Other M got great scores.

Sonic HEroes was decent

the Wii version of Sonic Unleashed and Colors were great ;)

No problems here.

LastRambo341

I will provide citation if necessary to prove you wrong about the games highlighted in red. I usually don't like to go by metascores, but I promise you-- absolutely promise you-- that none of them have scored 80% or higher on Metacritic and GameRankings. For the record, general consensus on rating scales dictates that 8/10 = great, 7/10 = good. Good scores =/= great scores. If I remember correctly, Other M was the highest-rated among the games you mentioned in that post, with a 78.55% metascore. Abysmal for a Metroid game, with abysmal sales to match.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="pills4louis"]Oh, nevermind. I was under the impression that you knew what you were talking about. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I will provide citation if necessary to prove you wrong about the games highlighted in red. I usually don't like to go by metascores, but I promise you-- absolutely promise you-- that none of them have scored 80% or higher on Metacritic and GameRankings. For the record, general consensus on rating scales dictates that 8/10 = great, 7/10 = good. Good scores =/= great scores. If I remember correctly, Other M was the highest-rated among the games you mentioned in that post, with a 78.55% metascore. Abysmal for a Metroid game, with abysmal sales to match.

pills4louis

Man so many people on System wars can time travel! I want to know how to do it too!

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]It was even worse, you had to pass each boss 3 times.pills4louis

If you can't get into the character it's hard to even get into the game

Jynxzor

At least in DMC we got to fight them in different places.

Man so many people on System wars can time travel! I want to know how to do it too!

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Man so many people on System wars can time travel! I want to know how to do it too!

Another-World

I was referring to TC...

Man so many people on System wars can time travel! I want to know how to do it too!

turtlethetaffer

I guess knowing a good game from a bad game before release or purchase is a skill that many don't have huh? There are already so many tell-tale signs pointing to DmC being not only a bad product but the worst in the franchise. The fact it's a westernization of a much loved series should be proof enough but lets go one step further to prove why DmC is not going to end well.

• Head of NT has mentioned that he doesn't care about fan response and that the franchise is outdated and the main character not relevant. Yeah clearly he knows better than the fanbase. Its the equivalent of letting a creepy looking guy babysit ones child because you feel it's ok unless the crime is already committed, of course by then it will be too late! Devil May Cry is in the hands of people that do not respect the fanbase nor the franchise they are working on.
• The game is being developed on the unreal engine, it will run at half the speed of Devil May Cry 4, heck the original Devil May Cry back in 2001 ran at 60FPS. Not only that but going by Ninja Theory's past games they will have trouble locking DMC at 30FPS and will mostly likely dip, that's assuming NT will try to have more than 5 enemies on screen at once.
• The PR for this game has been horrendous and that's putting it lightly. The devs have called it a reboot of the series, but then they went back and said no it's a prequel, and again an origin and recently calling it a rebirth. The devs themselves are at a loss of what DmC actually is. This game is essentially in development hell if the devs one year into development cant figure out what direction they want this game to go. Also it's apparently getting a movie so this confirms the worst fears, DmC is a movie tie-on to pull in more people while ignoring the main fanbase that supported the IP for 10 years.
• I don't care what you think but changing Dante so drastically is completely dumb, where is the continuity? He looks nothing like the iconic character the industry knows. Heck this character would be in trouble as new one but the fact they want to shove him in our faces as Dante is appalling.

You still think it's all in our head? and that the majority of the fanbase know not of what they are saying? I think it's actually the supporters of DmC who are having a hard time to convince anyone it's a good. Waiting until it's too late never helps anyone, best to let Kamiya take over as he has already stated that he would if Capcom allowed him. Even he knows it's not looking good, and any fan of the franchise would want the same.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Man so many people on System wars can time travel! I want to know how to do it too!

Swift_Boss_A

I guess knowing a good game from a bad game before release or purchase is a skill that many don't have huh? There are already so many tell-tale signs pointing to DmC being not only a bad product but the worst in the franchise. The fact it's a westernization of a much loved series should be proof enough but lets go one step further to prove why DmC is not going to end well.

• Head of NT has mentioned that he doesn't care about fan response and that the franchise is outdated and the main character not relevant. Yeah clearly he knows better than the fanbase. Its the equivalent of letting a creepy looking guy babysit ones child because you feel it's ok unless the crime is already committed, of course by then it will be too late! Devil May Cry is in the hands of people that do not respect the fanbase nor the franchise they are working on.
• The game is being developed on the unreal engine, it will run at half the speed of Devil May Cry 4, heck the original Devil May Cry back in 2001 ran at 60FPS. Not only that but going by Ninja Theory's past games they will have trouble locking DMC at 30FPS and will mostly likely dip, that's assuming NT will try to have more than 5 enemies on screen at once.
• The PR for this game has been horrendous and that's putting it lightly. The devs have called it a reboot of the series, but then they went back and said no it's a prequel, and again an origin and recently calling it a rebirth. The devs themselves are at a loss of what DmC actually is. This game is essentially in development hell if the devs one year into development cant figure out what direction they want this game to go. Also it's apparently getting a movie so this confirms the worst fears, DmC is a movie tie-on to pull in more people while ignoring the main fanbase that supported the IP for 10 years.
• I don't care what you think but changing Dante so drastically is completely dumb, where is the continuity? He looks nothing like the iconic character the industry knows. Heck this character would be in trouble as new one but the fact they want to shove him in our faces as Dante is appalling.

You still think it's all in our head? and that the majority of the fanbase know not of what they are saying? I think it's actually the supporters of DmC who are having a hard time to convince anyone it's a good. Waiting until it's too late never helps anyone, best to let Kamiya take over as he has already stated that he would if Capcom allowed him. Even he knows it's not looking good, and any fan of the franchise would want the same.

Dude I was being more general. But whatever. And I was basing it off of what TC said.

Dude I was being more general. But whatever. And I was basing it off of what TC said.

turtlethetaffer

Well sorry :P But just to confirm DmC is not in good hands and will definitely not be better than DMC3, even DMC4 wasn't better and that's a fantastic game made by Capcom in-house. At this rate DmC doesn't even look like it will be better than the worst title currently in the franchise which is DMC2, the latest gameplay trailer had all sorts of problems and looked more like a budget clone of the real thing.

I like his new look ._.

el3m2tigre

I agree as well. DMC3 Dante wasn't badass, he was nothing more than a d-bag frat kid. If I had to choose between that and the new Dante with little personality (that we have currently seen, that is), I'd choose the new one in a heartbeat.

It's one thing to act confident/cocky, it's another thing completely to act like an idiot the way Dante did in DMC3.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

I like his new look ._.

xYamatox

I agree as well. DMC3 Dante wasn't badass, he was nothing more than a d-bag frat kid. If I had to choose between that and the new Dante with little personality (that we have currently seen, that is), I'd choose the new one in a heartbeat.

It's one thing to act confident/cocky, it's another thing completely to act like an idiot the way Dante did in DMC3.

He was young, and being over the top has been part of Dante's DNA since the original DMC game. Besides there's nothing wrong with hating Dante but wanting him to change for a new audience is stupid. I hate many character; Marcus Phoenix, Bayonetta etc. This just tells me such franchises are not for me, why would I want them to change for me and ignore the real fans when I can just move to other IP's that cater to my tastes.

Dante is Dante. He is loud mouthed, in your face and cocky kind of guy. That is Dante., this new game is just bastardization of a decade long popular franchise.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

I like his new look ._.

xYamatox

I agree as well. DMC3 Dante wasn't badass, he was nothing more than a d-bag frat kid. If I had to choose between that and the new Dante with little personality (that we have currently seen, that is), I'd choose the new one in a heartbeat.

It's one thing to act confident/cocky, it's another thing completely to act like an idiot the way Dante did in DMC3.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

I like his new look ._.

xYamatox

I agree as well. DMC3 Dante wasn't badass, he was nothing more than a d-bag frat kid. If I had to choose between that and the new Dante with little personality (that we have currently seen, that is), I'd choose the new one in a heartbeat.

It's one thing to act confident/cocky, it's another thing completely to act like an idiot the way Dante did in DMC3.

Dante is supposed to be badass? Dante was never "badass". He was cool and fun and enjoyed killing demons.

Badass... geez, what is up with people wanting "badass" characters that just end up stupid. Like what they are trying to do with this new "Donte"

I guess knowing a good game from a bad game before release or purchase is a skill that many don't have huh?

Swift_Boss_A

It isn't. People don't have those skills

The new Dante looks like has some kind of terminal illness.sakura_Ex

What if it is?:o

:P

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

I guess knowing a good game from a bad game before release or purchase is a skill that many don't have huh?

hayato_

It isn't. People don't have those skills

its called educating one self; Evidence, probability, experience, tech, PR etc all point to DmC being an inferior product. What points to DmC being worthy of the franchise? Let me guess, the 'what if' scenario? Acting when it's too late never helps anyone and is not how you run a production of a game. When something looks like it's not going well it's best to rethink your strategy and that's what Capcom should be doing with Devil May Cry. Kamiya is ready to go on board so it's best to let him do DMC.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

I like his new look ._.

xYamatox

I agree as well. DMC3 Dante wasn't badass, he was nothing more than a d-bag frat kid. If I had to choose between that and the new Dante with little personality (that we have currently seen, that is), I'd choose the new one in a heartbeat.

It's one thing to act confident/cocky, it's another thing completely to act like an idiot the way Dante did in DMC3.

Lol at anyone who thinks that Dante was portrayed as badass, he was cheesy, that's why we all love him as a character, he was cheesy and selfaware of his cheesines.

But just to confirm DmC is not in good hands

Swift_Boss_A

You do realize that Capcom's fingerprints are all over this game? From interviews that I have both watched and read from Capcom the point of going out and getting Ninja Theory was to bring a higher quality to all other aspects of the game besides the gameplay.

Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.

Capcom has stated their games got good reviews, but not great reviews and a lot of that had to do with other aspects besides the gameplay. Capcom is bringing in Ninja Theory because of their great work with motion capture, voice work, story, and music.

Capcom has said that the look of the game will be kind of a combination of the two studios. They are going to have classic DMC models and environments in the game, but with a little bit of Ninja Theory's own style.

DMC is very much in Capcom's hands.

Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.CajunShooter

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

But just to confirm DmC is not in good hands

CajunShooter

You do realize that Capcom's fingerprints are all over this game? From interviews that I have both watched and read from Capcom the point of going out and getting Ninja Theory was to bring a higher quality to all other aspects of the game besides the gameplay.

Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.

Capcom has stated their games got good reviews, but not great reviews and a lot of that had to do with other aspects besides the gameplay. Capcom is bringing in Ninja Theory because of their great work with motion capture, voice work, story, and music.

Capcom has said that the look of the game will be kind of a combination of the two studios. They are going to have classic DMC models and environments in the game, but with a little bit of Ninja Theory's own style.

DMC is very much in Capcom's hands.

very well put.

The combat is going to be very simliar but NT will improve everything around the combat.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

But just to confirm DmC is not in good hands

crimsonman1245

You do realize that Capcom's fingerprints are all over this game? From interviews that I have both watched and read from Capcom the point of going out and getting Ninja Theory was to bring a higher quality to all other aspects of the game besides the gameplay.

Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.

Capcom has stated their games got good reviews, but not great reviews and a lot of that had to do with other aspects besides the gameplay. Capcom is bringing in Ninja Theory because of their great work with motion capture, voice work, story, and music.

Capcom has said that the look of the game will be kind of a combination of the two studios. They are going to have classic DMC models and environments in the game, but with a little bit of Ninja Theory's own style.

DMC is very much in Capcom's hands.

very well put.

The combat is going to be very simliar but NT will improve everything around the combat.

They are good with everyhting else (IDK why people think they are great at stories though, they are nothing special). I mean, Heavenly Sword was fun, but that isn't how DmC feels at all.

One thing is fro certain, we need to see not just clips of moves, slo-mo crap,and such, we need to see continuous gameplay so that we can see how the combat flows.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

But just to confirm DmC is not in good hands

crimsonman1245

You do realize that Capcom's fingerprints are all over this game? From interviews that I have both watched and read from Capcom the point of going out and getting Ninja Theory was to bring a higher quality to all other aspects of the game besides the gameplay.

Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.

Capcom has stated their games got good reviews, but not great reviews and a lot of that had to do with other aspects besides the gameplay. Capcom is bringing in Ninja Theory because of their great work with motion capture, voice work, story, and music.

Capcom has said that the look of the game will be kind of a combination of the two studios. They are going to have classic DMC models and environments in the game, but with a little bit of Ninja Theory's own style.

DMC is very much in Capcom's hands.

very well put.

The combat is going to be very simliar but NT will improve everything around the combat.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

You do realize that Capcom's fingerprints are all over this game? From interviews that I have both watched and read from Capcom the point of going out and getting Ninja Theory was to bring a higher quality to all other aspects of the game besides the gameplay.

Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.

Capcom has stated their games got good reviews, but not great reviews and a lot of that had to do with other aspects besides the gameplay. Capcom is bringing in Ninja Theory because of their great work with motion capture, voice work, story, and music.

Capcom has said that the look of the game will be kind of a combination of the two studios. They are going to have classic DMC models and environments in the game, but with a little bit of Ninja Theory's own style.

DMC is very much in Capcom's hands.

HitomiChan

very well put.

The combat is going to be very simliar but NT will improve everything around the combat.

Everything "around" the combat. I read it wrong too the first time.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]Capcom has stated that the DMC gameplay will very much be the same, which was the point of their E3 trailer. It was to show that the classic DMC gameplay formula will still be a huge part of this game.Jynxzor

why did they change Dante

the old Dante was awesome

i mean, what were they thinking?

"Flop for who? The unpleasable Metroid fanboys? As a game, it didn't flop :) They're still positive ;)"
--LastRambo341

No, it was a flop for Nintendo. Sort of the way Alien 3, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, and Waterworld flopped. The game made no significant profit. There's a reason it's in the bargain bin now.

At least in DMC we got to fight them in different places.

Hatiko

By looking at the trailer i dont think soHashim19

Lol at anyone who thinks that Dante was portrayed as badass, he was cheesy, that's why we all love him as a character, he was cheesy and selfaware of his cheesines.

madsnakehhh