Do people actually expect Scorpio to make a difference in the console war? Really?

Decent post for the most part, I don't agree with everything but you support your opinion with logical counters. This last part however, I figuered you'd just put 1 and 1 together....yes Vita is a handheld lol so whey are you talking about PS3?

Obviously (in the argument of power wins people over) I was speaking in relationship to Nintendo's leading handheld 3DS....and once again MY argument holds true that the MUCH more powerful Vita didn't turn to tide of war for that market with games being made or people's preference for which system they preferred to buy.

The weak ass 3DS slaughtered PS Vita and it's now a running joke in Systems wars and it's based on this same logic that I am presenting my argument in this thread. "Power" doesn't win console wars or turn the time of favor to a platform simply because of that factor. 3DS had the games, the market space and the 3rd support and that's all there was to it...the same logic applies to PS4 and people who can't see that are in for a rude awakening lol.

That said, I appreciate your post as it was one of the best I've seen on the opposite side of my opinion. Good job.

lol boom...that is something I was trying to get across to people but because they allow other people to make them think that is reality they believe everyone believes this.

Bragging rights! That is what fanboys here are caught up in and then think those bragging rights = reality . Xbox fans had bragging rights all 6th gen against PS2....but the reality was that those bragging rights didn't amount to anything much of substance in the console war.

Reality! Power doesn't win nor turn the time of console generations. It's NEVER happened.

Hey guys guess What? Sony introduced PS Vita is the most powerful technically amazing handheld on the market...need I go on to explain how that power angle turned out against N64 graphics having 3DS?

Its always funny when a fanboy pretends to not be a fanboy. Keep posting. This shit is hilarious.

@casharmy: In terms of power, performance and resolution it will beat the PS4 Pro with no problems. In terms of sales, the XBox Scorpio won't make much of a difference worldwide. In the U.S. and UK, it will probably make a nice dent, but they won't close the gap much in worldwide sales. PS4 it too far ahead and Europe and Japan all have their heads up Sony's @$$ to even see what Scorpio has to offer. Still think Scorpio will do well as long as the price is right and Microsoft gives us some new IP's and at least a few JRPG games.

I expect it to make my gaming experience one of the best around. Whether or not other people want to hide their heads up their asses and spout numbers being more important than the gaming experience delivered, by all means, I hope you use use a lot of lube and don't get too buttsore.

I don't understand cows logic and negativity with MS games being on Xb/PC. I guess they won't be butt hurt when MS pulls this off and you have crossplay between PC and Xbox games every where. How long do you think it will take for devs/publishers to go to MS and have more Tomb Raider type deals. More 3rd party deals to just be on PC/Xbox. Why would an indie waste time developing for Sony system when the can make one build for PC/Xbox. I guess if you are a die hard cow and don't have a PC you better be looking at getting/building one real quick. But then your just gonna get your ass kicked by PC/Xbox gamers and that will make your rage even more.

I guess cows should just keep doing the doom and gloom threads hoping MS doesn't pull it off. Cause a lot will change if it happens and it's successful.

Project Scorpio will do exactly what it's intended to do: fill the high-end console role in the Xbox gaming family.. via the Windows Store, Xbox Live, and UWP, that family will consist of:

* a low-end, affordable choice for console fans: the Xbox One S

* a high-end, 4K and VR choice for console fans: Project Scorpio

* all the various PC gaming choices for PC fans: Windows 10 PC (via Windows Store)

That's all bases covered sir..

And let me correct you on something: console sales aren't the end goal for these companies.. console sales are only there to drive software sales.. and as Windows 10 adoption on PC grows, as the Windows Store improves and becomes more accepted, and as UWP is more widely used, do you think the software sales potential of PS4 consoles will be able to beat out the combined software sales potential of Windows 10 PC gamers and Xbox console gamers?.. the correct answer is "no".. get ready to see the number of Xbox/Win10 exclusives continue to increase thanks to that simple logic..

And to put the above statement in the simplest of terms: What do you think will happen when Sony outstrips support for new PS4 games and starts a new generation with the PS5?.. your precious install base of consoles will reset to ground zero, correct?.. the only devices the developers can target for sales will be the PS5 consoles that just hit store shelves and the PS4 install base will cease to matter from a software sales standpoint..

Now let's contrast that with Microsoft's strategy:

Once they do the same and outstrip support for the Xbox One with whatever console comes after Project Scorpio, the install base for Xbox/Win10 gaming does not reset to ground zero.. the devices that developers can target for that new content will include whatever the next Xbox is and will still include Windows 10 PCs.. Meaning that Microsoft and the Xbox division will have tons more leverage for exclusives once the new generation begins with the next Xbox and PS5, thanks to the continually upgradable and consistent install base of Windows 10 PC devices and gamers.. That's an entire install base of PC gamers that developers can still target on day one of the next Xbox release with Xbox/Win10 exclusives.. that install base will be exponentially bigger than the PS5 install base on day one..

That means "game over" for your beloved PS4 dominance dude.. You may agree that Project Scorpio shifts the "power argument" back to Microsoft's advantage, but the "sales argument" (which essentially boils down to an argument about the largest install base) is shifting back towards Microsoft as well with their combined ecosystem of Windows 10 devices and UWP development..

All I can say is, cows better enjoy the PS4 era for as long as they can because things are potentially going to get uglier and uglier for you as time goes on.. you can bookmark that..

'In a nutshell, there are not going to be any games that outstrip what the PS4 is able to do because PS4 is the market leader!'

What about first party games?

also, it's a a completely baseless assumption that Third party developers will not want to take advantage of the Hardware, they did with the Ps4 Pro.

We will see a lot of these 'what if' threads leading up to it's release, i say we wait and see what happens and forget the wild specualtion

Because i would rather game on console, it's as simple as that really.

you guys act as if it's somehow obligatory to buy a Pc over a console if you can afford it , it isn't, many people who can afford to buy a gaming rig will by a console instead.

it's called Personal preference.

Scorpio will be the most Powerful console, it won't be a game changer as far as sal;es are concerned but it WILL be a Game chabgers as far as Games are concerned.

well that can be true, If the scorpio is selling at 500$ I can't see it turning the tide but if microsoft would be able to keep the price difference as low as possible that could be a total game changer. It all depends who's calling the shots at microsoft and how much risk they're willing to take (and got forbid do nothing as stupid as with the xbox1 launch)

You're wrong about the ps4 domination though, it still sold 2 to 1 with the xbox after the xbox was cheaper priced and without a mandatory kinect. The xbox even improved its performance with the esram tools and the drop of the reserved resources for the kinect but to no avail.

If the scorpio sells for 425 or 450, there's a major chance it's going to steal a lot of customers from sony.

heres the problem though. Both of you could be of the WRONG opinion. Since thats just it. What you are saying is just like YOUR opinion man. Adding in the handheld argument is irrelevant. its not even the same market. I've never owned a modern handheld gaming device and I've been gaming since 1977. The only handhelds I ever owned were those old Mattel sports games.

I am personally of the opinion that power was a HUGE factor in the PS4 selling like it did this gen.

The three main factors that made the PS4 sell ridiculously this gen were:

1. MS totally fumbled launch of the Xbox One;

2. The Xbox One costing $100 more than the PS4;

3. The PS4 being more powerful. Once it started getting out that PS4 was running games in 1080 and some Xbox games were 720 due to the power difference, Sony went on a huge PR spree bragging up how their console is the more powerful one that can do 1080p.

If thats not the case then what else could it be?

THE PS4 DIDNT HAVE ANY BIG EXCLUSIVES FOR ITS FIRST TWO YEARS BUT WAS SELLING IN RECORD NUMBERS.

It wasnt the games.

It was them saying games ran better on the their more powerful console that was cheaper.

you're confusing what bragging rights means. You brag because its more powerful and the games run better. Thats what you and all these other cows have been doing all gen.

you're acting like developers wont want to take advantage of the extra power supplied by Scorpio which is also a fallacy. Just like certain developers picked Sony this gen because the console was more powerful, post Scorpio, there will be devs that do the same thing for Scorpio.

Will accommodate a minority of Xbox gamers, fact. Still has barely any games, the orignal Xbox was powerful, look what happened. The situation will just be repeated, Playstation will always dominate, fact.

LeMS are promosing and wishing for huge sales and hoping it comes to fruition.

The only thing thats currently still an 'if' factor is MS getting their ducks in a row with UWP. If they can get some decent stores on board with it where its a smooth and seemless background thing, its a total win. If people still have to jump thru hoops and have a GFWL type experience with it, it could be bad. The important thing that cows dont want to acknowledge is that UWP doesnt restrict a game to being sold exclusively on the Windows Store. The already supposedly have Ubi, EA and potentially Blizzard onboard. MS has learned from their mistakes.

What I think is actually going to happen is MS has already started making deals with the big PC content distributors and might actually already have them on board with UWP. An MS/Valve deal with a SteamApp on Xbox at E3 would leave cows stunned. Thats what I meant by intangibles in my other post.

Cows like to quote Tim Sweeney all the time but also overlook the fact that since his initial objections he's changed his tune a lot to more of a 'well thats sounds promising then we'll see' attitude.

The other thing that I'm really expecting MS to do with Scorpio is bring back some of the stuff that got gutted from the initial DRM plan for Xbox. Everyone was crying about the always online thing, but the initial plan was designed so that once you put a disc-based game into the console it added the license to your Xbox Live account (which required you to log in daily -- why this was a big deal to some I dunno my internet stays on 24/7 but meh) but they were going to allow family sharing where you can share a game you buy with up to 10 friends or family members for free and it would also allow you to TRADE licenses with other Live users. So you could trade used games online. But tinfoil hat wearers got so caught up in 'waah I cant sell my discs' and waah the NSA is watching me' the plan got gutted.

Like cows and VR.

dat massive flop

Each month the butthurt and saltiness grows. lol

I approve this message. The future of gaming is hardware independence.

It's nuts if he thinks he's not a fanboy.

that dude deepthroats anything SONY lmao

I think it will help push the XBox to the all inportant 35-40m mark which will justify to the business that they uave no lost market share since the original xbox.

Will it affect the system war? Not really.

Don't expect it to turn the tides regarding sales and suddenly put Xbox ahead but I do expect it to provide the best experience in console gaming for the games that are on it.

Games will be built to scale to the hardware that they are played on (like PC) and since Xbox is now across 2 platforms, developers will get a 2 for 1 deal - 1 game that scales across 2 closely knit platforms.

PS4/Pro will obviously get great versions that fit their requirements but Scorpio will just offer the best console version and will see many developers wanting to showcase their game on the system.

Biggest difference will be MS developed games that will really show what the system can do.

I see it being a hit with the lemmings, but not really much elsewhere since the PS4 is dominating the console market right now.

Says the clown that bends over for the MS fisting every time.

@casharmy:

Well, when the Xbox One Scorpio fails, and there's no chance that it won't; Microsoft will just have to make a real next gen console and Sony will have to follow it with PS5. What will the next Xbox be called? Xbox Next?

I don't think Scorpio will "fail" pre-se but I think xbox fans have unrealistic expectations when scraming it will dominate PS4/Pro when it hits the market.

Some of these fans are just delusional beyond beliefe. I'd like to think that at leaset MS has more realistic expectations for what the system will do as they're positioning it as a "premium" product so they would logically expect it to sell less than other main stream procuts like all other "premium" items usually do.

MS can break into a small market focused on the tech junkies and a select group of PC gamers who only avoid console because of bad performance. That is a GREAT focus group and a very open space for them to aim a device like Scorpio on.

However, the fact of the matter is Scorpio not being marketed as a next gen system with it's own exclusives really kind of kill any steam of high adoption by the mass market. Why pay more to get a system that plays the same games as the main one on the market and has less game overall? That's the issue with Scorpio, it's got the power nitch which will sell to that demographic but after that, it doesn't have anything else to stand on

@casharmy:

Ok, maybe I exaggerated on the failure part a tad but you get the idea. Mid gen upgrades of the exact same consoles with the exact same games are just niche. Why would pc gamers break into Scorpio even then? It's still weaker than pc and the library is already on pc, anyway. Where's the motivation in that?

Come back to the light, MS. And focus on console gamers again! We've been loyal! At least I have. Sort of....

no it wont make a difference it will just be more or less similar to the pro

uh yea... it's got the bigger numbers duh

Why does everyone assume and call it a mid gen upgrade? There will be games that can only be played on the Scorpio they may be VR titles only but only time will tell.

When it's announced and more info dropped on it I totally expect it's office name will have nothing to do with "Xbox One" the only mention of Xbox One when this is announced will be "everything for the Xbox One/S is completely compatible with Xbox Scorpio". For Xbox One S owners I hope a lot of Scorpio games can be downgraded and played on the S and we get a showing of how this Xbox1/S, PC, Scorpio play where ever you want experience goes. That's just for going forwards sake so we know what to expect when Scorpio becomes the low end model and another system comes with more power and the cycle continues but drops Xbox One/S support completely.

The only people not excited about this are Sony fanboys. Options, more people to play with, and more games is always better. That's what Ms is attempting.

Microsoft will reach the 35-40mil mark before the Scorpio is released already...

Anyone stating that Console A is weaker than a PC is making an incorrect and an invalid statement. PCs are factually not one configuration. The comparison is irrelevant because of this fact. I don't know why people frequent this " counter argument".

@FastRobby:

*Negan voice*

Now THAT is what I am talking about!! FastRobby just manned up and put his money where his mouth is. Good for you. Takes guts! System Wars needs more like ya.

He's by far the only enjoyable thing about this season, so boring

Says the punk that spends excessive amounts on money on SONY crap and remasters

I can go all day bro

Non-32X Sega Genesis can't play 32X games while XBO S can play Xbox Scorpio games e.g. the difference is like PC's R7-360 and R9-390X OC+Vega's refinement updates.

You're right, it won't outsell a Gen 8 console, because it will be outselling the PS5 as a GEN 9 CONSOLE! Xbox here, now, forever!

Either PC game sales continues to dramatically increase year after year to the point wheres its almost a 10 billion dollar a year industry above consoles (i wonder what it would be at w/o piracy).

Or these sales figures do not actually say anything and there are really just a smaller number of PC gamers buying 10 copies of each game in order to help companies sell, all so they can come on some forums and "cry" sales of PC games being an entire nearly 10 billion dollar industry above consoles.

P.S. Not only do consoles need to be concerned with PC (given its the direction they seem to want to go), but that teal/aqua blue they need to be very concerned about as that is probably what is going to kill consoles as we currently know them.

Hahaha!!! Someone falls for it!!!

All the power in the world won't help a system if all it has is shit games.

@Ghost_Dub: helped the PS4 ????

If they market it well, maybe.

PS4 has a much larger variety of games than Xbox One ever will. That's just a simple fact. Power level isn't even a factor there.

@Ghost_Dub: No it actually doesn't. The only genre PS4 has a major edge on is JRPGs.

For the most part both systems get most of the same multiplats and indies. Xbox also actually has BC and the preview program.

You guys are content with your bro games. Shooters and sports titles. I remember now. lol

If MS adds mouse and keyboard support for Scorpio, I might actually buy one. It's the only thing stopping me from gaming more on consoles.

I favor MS on this one because they're more likely to add the controls I want than Sony or Nintendo.

It will help somewhat, but only if the price right and even then its not likely going to sell as well as the PS4/PS4 Pro combo.

What the Xbox brand desperately needs right now is more worthwhile exclusives.

About the only thing the xbox one has more is racers and because Forza milking MS has.

No the PS4 has a truck load of multiplatforms not on xbox one,as well as indies,they are not even game wise at all,not to mention TRUE exclusives.

@Ghost_Dub: so basically you bring generalizations to a debate instead of facts got it.

Considering PS4 exclusives don't sell, I'd say there more bros playing cod and madden on PS than on Xbox.

Outside of JRPGs Which I already mentioned, what games are actually bringing more variety to the PS4?

Xbox has indies. Xbox has shooters. Xbox has racing games. Xbox has MMOs. ARPGs. Platformers. Fighting games. Walking Sims. Horror. Puzzle games. Survival. Building. Xbox even has RTS games.

I'm not seeing this huge difference in variety that PS4 supposedly has.

A console that will play better multis than competition though will lacking exclusives while being way pricier ... ehmmm !!! OK !!

As im saying almost a year now , i dont see why the heck someone not to buy a PC in 2017 , a year with new advanced stuff for PC gaming , and spend like 500 or something for a console that literally all of its games will be on PC as well ? Now if we add the fact that PC does so many things better , cheaper and it has way more exclusives than Scorpio will ever have on the get go ...

Even if Scorpio would cost something like 200$ i wouldnt buy it. And im not joking with that statement.

Both MS and Sony consoles have keyboard and mouse support and open mapping.